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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 21 2008 3:29 pm
From: Grantkory@gmail.com

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 21 2008 3:30 pm
From: "RodSpeed,_dividends_and_cash_flow_are_bubblicious"

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 21 2008 3:33 pm
From: gaby de wilde

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 21 2008 3:42 pm
From: SMS

Bill wrote:

> Credit check - search google.com for the words...
> tenant credit check

I recently got some new tenants, and I was amazed at how hard it's
become to run a credit check on someone. Due to all the identity theft
problems, even with written permission it's become complicated for an
individual to get a credit report on someone, whereas it used to be very
easy.

I finally signed up with clearscreening.com, which required a lot of
documentation, including a property tax statement of the rental
property, a copy of my phone bill, a copy of my driver's license, and
proof of insurance for the rental property, in order to open an account.
Even with all that they could only run a credit report from one agency
(Equifax). There are dire warnings about the illegality of running a
credit check on anyone other than prospective tenants that have granted
you written permission to run a report. They'll also run criminal
checks, eviction reports, NSF check reports, etc., all for additional fees.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 21 2008 3:47 pm
From: "SpammersDie"

Good.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 21 2008 4:47 pm
From: "Janie"

"SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
news:47be0b97$0$36374$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
> Bill wrote:
>
>> Credit check - search google.com for the words...
>> tenant credit check
>
> I recently got some new tenants, and I was amazed at how hard it's become
> to run a credit check on someone. Due to all the identity theft problems,
> even with written permission it's become complicated for an individual to
> get a credit report on someone, whereas it used to be very easy.
>
> I finally signed up with clearscreening.com, which required a lot of
> documentation, including a property tax statement of the rental property,
> a copy of my phone bill, a copy of my driver's license, and proof of
> insurance for the rental property, in order to open an account. Even with
> all that they could only run a credit report from one agency (Equifax).
> There are dire warnings about the illegality of running a credit check on
> anyone other than prospective tenants that have granted you written
> permission to run a report. They'll also run criminal checks, eviction
> reports, NSF check reports, etc., all for additional fees.

It is a good idea for a tenant to check out the landlord too! This person
has a key to the door of the place where you will live and keep your stuff.
All landlords are not honest people. All landlords do not keep up their
property and abide by all terms in leases. Run a credit check on the
landlord if he wants to check on you. Fair is fair.

I moved into a place only to find out the landlord was had not paid his
taxes in three years and had poor credit. Nothing got fixed in that
building because people wouldn't work for him due to unpaid bills. When the
heat quit working during a cold winter, I moved out although I had several
months left on the lease. Finding a place in some areas is not easy under
the best of circumstances and moving in the middle of winter is not a
pleasant task.

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 21 2008 3:39 pm
From: Grantkory@gmail.com

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== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 21 2008 3:44 pm
From: "RodSpeed,_dividends_and_cash_flow_are_bubblicious"

On Feb 21, 6:39 pm, Grantk...@gmail.com wrote:

Blah,blah,blah

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 21 2008 9:48 pm
From: Anthony Matonak

Grantkory@gmail.com wrote:
> In small business, you have to maximize your money spent to help you
> sleep at night. This is why I love the Internet. For every function
> that I need, I research, study, and do it myself. There is an
> information for EVERY question, provided you put the work in.

You can find just about any information on the internet.
Sometimes it's even true. :)

See any web search on JFK, UFOs, Perpetual Motion or the
Famous Mr. Ed being a well trained Zebra. :)

Anthony

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 21 2008 10:43 pm
From: "catalpa"

<Grantkory@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:82d87ead-7244-4029-9889-ff32f5686f15@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
> In small business, you have to maximize your money spent to help you
> sleep at night. This is why I love the Internet. For every function
> that I need, I research, study, and do it myself. There is an
> information for EVERY question, provided you put the work in.
>

If you spend all your time on the internet your business will stay small.

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TOPIC: Nickel, a metal with a future
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 21 2008 4:19 pm
From: "RodSpeed,_dividends_and_cash_flow_are_bubblicious"

The lowly US nickel may be nearing the stages of a poor man's gold:

http://www.coinflation.com/

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TOPIC: Predictions on oil costs for next decade
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 21 2008 5:10 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

RodSpeed,_the_EWA_fund_is_doing_great <kwokx2@hotmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> RodSpeed,_the_EWA_fund_is_doing_great <kwokx2@hotmail.com> wrote

>>> I cringe burning away $3 or more per gallon just to enjoy a sunday drive.

>> I just yawn, chose a very fuel efficient car and carry on regardless.

> Yep, there is some economy in that. Once car gets too expensive
> to run, just sell/give-it-away and use next mode of transport.

Thats not going to happen in my lifetime.

> A consumer based economic existence has a few holes in it.

Not for me it doesnt. But then we have enough of a clue to
have a decent modern universal health care funding system.

> Not that I do not want to go back to days
> of our fore-fathers, but we want,want,want.

I dont.

> I think we have it all in this land here

Yep, and clearly plenty of others think that too and try to go there.

> but need to cattle prod the politicians and a few degenerates without public notoriety.

I expect the system will continue to work quite adequately
and the US economy is robust enough to be able to handle
even terminal stupiditys like the invasion of Iraq.

Dont even need a draft for that this time.

> Oil is gonna be the real thing until the dialogue
> shifts to fending off boogie man enemies again

I doubt thats going to happen again. The terrorists
have been very adequately handled since 9/11.

> and maybe economic meltdowns. Perhaps.

Cant see it myself.

> We are well fed here.

Yep, FAR too well fed in fact.

> What the heck happened to Midnight Oil?

The bald fool decided to go into politics and got muzzled very effectively indeed.

Didnt have the sense to hang himself either.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 21 2008 7:17 pm
From: Brian Elfert

"RodSpeed,_the_EWA_fund_is_doing_great" <kwokx2@hotmail.com> writes:

>On Feb 21, 2:13 pm, Just A User <k...@up-yours-spammer.net> wrote:
>> Well if it were cheap and easy they would already be using is on a mass
>> scale. They are not. We are just about at the end of cheap oil. The ways
>> and places to get oil from this point forward are going to be more
>> expensive.

>Oil = energy.

>Plenty of other sources of energy. Thing is, if far way places start
>building their energy policy on non-oil sources little by little, how
>will that make the oil companies feel?

Oil and products derived from it is still the least expensive way to power
vehicles today and probably for some years to come.

We aren't going to see nuclear or solar powered cars any time soon and
electric cars are still some years from being practical and as inexpensive
as gas/diesel vehicles.

Alternatives sources of electricity and geothermal heating/cooling are
much more practical for energy consumed by buildings.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 21 2008 8:34 pm
From: Jimington

On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:34:59 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>RodSpeed,_the_EWA_fund_is_doing_great <kwokx2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Just A User <k...@up-yours-spammer.net> wrote:
>
>>> Well if it were cheap and easy they would already be using
>>> is on a mass scale. They are not. We are just about at the
>>> end of cheap oil. The ways and places to get oil from this
>>> point forward are going to be more expensive.
>
>> Oil = energy.
>
>> Plenty of other sources of energy. Thing is, if far way
>> places start building their energy policy on non-oil sources
>> little by little, how will that make the oil companies feel?
>
>Who cares ?
>
>> We have nuclear (not green, but an alternative...
>
>Its very green, no CO2 produced by the power generation process.
>
But that CO2 provides the building blocks for the plants to make the
green stuff, so that's not even a negative.
For a power source that has no real negatives it's surprising there's
so much resistance to it.
Our country even has a vast area that is quite suited to nuclear waste
disposal, and would probably also provide a healthy boost to the
economy of the state that's best suited for it. SA.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 21 2008 9:28 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Jimington <wvzubqtr@gfa.pp> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> RodSpeed,_the_EWA_fund_is_doing_great <kwokx2@hotmail.com> wrote
>>> Just A User <k...@up-yours-spammer.net> wrote

>>>> Well if it were cheap and easy they would already be using
>>>> is on a mass scale. They are not. We are just about at the
>>>> end of cheap oil. The ways and places to get oil from this
>>>> point forward are going to be more expensive.

>>> Oil = energy.

>>> Plenty of other sources of energy. Thing is, if far way
>>> places start building their energy policy on non-oil sources
>>> little by little, how will that make the oil companies feel?

>> Who cares ?

>>> We have nuclear (not green, but an alternative...

>> Its very green, no CO2 produced by the power generation process.

> But that CO2 provides the building blocks for the plants to make the green stuff,

Yes, but they did that fine with the CO2 levels seen before the industrial revolution.

> so that's not even a negative.

It does arguably increase the temperature of the surface.

> For a power source that has no real negatives

The most obvious one is that countrys like North Korea can produce bombs using them.

> it's surprising there's so much resistance to it.

> Our country even has a vast area that is quite suited to nuclear waste disposal,

And big areas which have lots of naturally ocurring radioactive substances too.

> and would probably also provide a healthy boost to
> the economy of the state that's best suited for it. SA.

They appear to be too stupid to realise that tho.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 21 2008 8:47 pm
From: bob@coolgroups.com

How many times can you generally reuse a disposable razor for shaving
your face?

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 21 2008 10:53 pm
From: Logan Shaw

bob@coolgroups.com wrote:
> How many times can you generally reuse a disposable razor for shaving
> your face?

Depends on the quality of the disposable razor. (Also depends on the
quality of your face, but although I've been able to test with different
razors, I've only been able to test with one face.)

Personally, I use the Gillette Mach3 razor with disposable blades.
It's not cheap, but it shaves better than the cheaper ones I used
to use. (Bic, I think.) One of those blades will last me about a
week, and each cartridge is about $2 (if you by in packs of 8), so
I'm spending about $2/week.

Of course, if you really want to go for cheap, a straight razor,
a strop, and a hone could be the cheapest long-term solution. You
spend $200 or so right now, and then you're basically set for life.
(But you'll have to put regular work into maintaining the blade.)

- Logan

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 21 2008 11:48 pm
From: Zilbandy

On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 00:53:40 -0600, Logan Shaw
<lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote:

>if you really want to go for cheap, a straight razor,
>a strop, and a hone could be the cheapest long-term solution. You
>spend $200 or so right now, and then you're basically set for life.

Until you get the hang of it, make sure you stock up on bandaids. :)

--
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 21 2008 9:22 pm
From: sarge137

On Feb 21, 2:29 pm, "SpammersDie" <x...@xx.xx> wrote:
> "sarge137" <rbooth9...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:9f7bb9c8-645e-4ad4-aa27-8e1726e1dbee@p43g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 20, 11:49 am, Cheapo Groovo <c...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > This guy proved his case, yet the state of Georgia doesn't care.
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmVSbfvaqVw
> >There's gotta be more to story. The facts as presented seem pretty
> >compelling. But what I didn't see or hear:
>
> >Any comment or refusal to comment from the shop where the car was at
> >for repairs on the day of the violation.
>
> >Any comment or refusal to comment from an officer of the court with
> >jurisdiction over the ticket. The Police Chief isn't the person they
> >should have interviewed. He didn't issue the ticket, nor does he
> >adjudicate it.
>
> >Look at the tape again. They report that the guy's car was in the
> >shop "on the day of the violation" What they don't say is that it
> >was in the shop at the TIME of the violation. When and by whom was it
> >delivered to the shop? When and by whom was it picked up? Besides
> >the guy on the tape, who has keys and permission to use the car, and
> >where were they at the time of the violation?
>
> >I just can't believe that in any jurisdiction in this country that
> >this ticket wouldn't be dismissed if he could show reasonable proof
> >that the car was in the care, custody and exclusive control of the
> >repair shop at the time of this violation. And if he does have that
> >kind of proof, he'll have more lawyers than he can handle wanting to
> >defend the ticket, then sue the city of wrongful or malicious
> >prosecution.
>
> Disclaimer: IANAL
>
> Assuming it's like most camera ticket laws I've heard of, this is like a
> parking ticket - no points, just a monetary fine. So unless the car was
> stolen, the vehicle owner is liable for seeing that the fine gets paid.
> Collecting reimbursement from the actual driver is the owner's job.
>
> I have no problem with this reasoning at all in most cases - since most
> cases involve the spouse and kids driving the car with the owner's consent.
> If the owner has so little control over them that he can't get them to pay
> him back for the fine, it is irresponsible for him to be letting them drive
> the family car at all.
>
> The repair shop scenario does suck, though. There's probably just no room in
> the statute to make exceptions. Still, the guy should probably have paid the
> fine and gone after the repair shop for reimbursement.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

We'd be on the same side of a debate on this issue. I also believe
that owner of a motor vehicle is responsible for what is done with it,
and if done by someone else they have a responsibility to give up the
actor or face the consequences as if they did it personally.

You are correct that these types of citations are infractions not
violations, and don't result in points on your driving record so long
they're paid. But, they do show up on your record, and will be
revealed to anyone who does full a records check (as opposed to a
points or violations check). So, just paying it and moving on is not
necessarily the best course of action if you're truly the victim of a
mistake, or some strange circumstance like they're trying to foist on
us here.

In my state you can get a photo violation for both running a stop
light and speeding. In both cases it's an infraction and if paid on
time doesn't result in points. If not, a summons is issued. If you
fail to respond to that, and arrest warrant is issued. In both cases,
if you weren't driving all you have to is go the clerk of the court in
the jurisdiction where the violation occurred and give up the person
who had your car. It then becomes their problem. In this case, all
the guy would have to do is show the car was in the shop at the time.
Now it's the shop owner's problem. He either pays it, and has it on
his record, or he gives up the employee who did it. If he doesn't
have enough control at his shop to tell that - too bad, so sad.

I checked the Georgia statute and it has pretty much the same
provisions for corrections of errors, and transfer of responsibility
as the law in my state. Not surprising, because most state traffic
laws are based on a federal uniform code. Generally a requirement to
keep federal highway funds flowing into the state.

I also learned that the Georgia law was only passed a few years ago,
and there's a huge uproar about the practice. Knowing the left
leaning liberal media as well as I do, and knowing their propensity to
spin a story, I don't assume they reported all the facts of this
case. Like a criminal defense attorney who doesn't want to know if
his client is really guilty, it's just too easy for a reporter not to
ask certain questions, or not look for certain people.

Since the reporter did such an incomplete one sided story I can't know
for sure, but my guess is:

The owner was really out of town when all this happened.

He had a friend or family member take the car to the shop and/or pick
it up when it was ready.

The car was turned in on the day of the violation AFTER the driver ran
the red; or it was picked up BEFORE it happened.

There's probably no time stamp on the work order so he figures he can
weasel his wife/son/daughter/girlfriend/buddy out of it by just
claiming he can't know who was in the car.

Since they're still holding him to the fine, the court clearly ain't
buying his story. I'm gonna bet the shop owner has already said he
didn't have the car at the time. Since the lefty reporter didn't do a
thorough job and interview the shop owner we'll never know. We're
supposed to drink the kool aid and believe this poor guy is simply a
victim of "big brother".

Like I said, there's way more to the story than you see on the video.

Regards,
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 21 2008 10:06 pm
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On Feb 6, 6:29 am, "fries...@zoocrewphoto.com"
<fries...@zoocrewphoto.com> wrote:
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> We disabled the long distance on the regular phone line since they
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