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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 22 2008 1:08 am
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 22 2008 1:07 am
From: Jimington


On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:28:40 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Jimington <wvzubqtr@gfa.pp> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> RodSpeed,_the_EWA_fund_is_doing_great <kwokx2@hotmail.com> wrote
>>>> Just A User <k...@up-yours-spammer.net> wrote
>
>>>>> Well if it were cheap and easy they would already be using
>>>>> is on a mass scale. They are not. We are just about at the
>>>>> end of cheap oil. The ways and places to get oil from this
>>>>> point forward are going to be more expensive.
>
>>>> Oil = energy.
>
>>>> Plenty of other sources of energy. Thing is, if far way
>>>> places start building their energy policy on non-oil sources
>>>> little by little, how will that make the oil companies feel?
>
>>> Who cares ?
>
>>>> We have nuclear (not green, but an alternative...
>
>>> Its very green, no CO2 produced by the power generation process.
>
>> But that CO2 provides the building blocks for the plants to make the green stuff,
>
>Yes, but they did that fine with the CO2 levels seen before the industrial revolution.
>
>> so that's not even a negative.
>
>It does arguably increase the temperature of the surface.

Perhaps a tenuous argument at best. Bear in mind we do need the
greenhouse effect to merely make the planet livable. Whether there can
be any radical increase is a moot point.
>
>> For a power source that has no real negatives
>
>The most obvious one is that countrys like North Korea can produce bombs using them.

Even they must be aware that doing a bit of bomb practice in naughty
areas may well end up in their country being reduced to a lake or sea.
However since their government has shown how much it cares about its
own people, maybe they would be that stupid.
>
>> it's surprising there's so much resistance to it.
>
>> Our country even has a vast area that is quite suited to nuclear waste disposal,
>
>And big areas which have lots of naturally ocurring radioactive substances too.

Vast areas are still a no-go area from testing 50 years ago. It's hard
to imagine any country being stupid enough to allow a foreign country
to lay waste to a huge area but we did suck up to one then.
At least they used an un(der)populated area which isn't part of the
artesian basin.
>
>> and would probably also provide a healthy boost to
>> the economy of the state that's best suited for it. SA.
>
>They appear to be too stupid to realise that tho.
>
I suppose it doesn't sound pretty to be the nuclear garbage dump for
the world but with it being stable politically and geologically, where
better in the world to reduce a growing problem.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 22 2008 11:23 am
From: "Rod Speed"


Jimington <wvzubqtr@gfa.pp> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Jimington <wvzubqtr@gfa.pp> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> RodSpeed,_the_EWA_fund_is_doing_great <kwokx2@hotmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Just A User <k...@up-yours-spammer.net> wrote

>>>>>> Well if it were cheap and easy they would already be using
>>>>>> is on a mass scale. They are not. We are just about at the
>>>>>> end of cheap oil. The ways and places to get oil from this
>>>>>> point forward are going to be more expensive.

>>>>> Oil = energy.

>>>>> Plenty of other sources of energy. Thing is, if far way
>>>>> places start building their energy policy on non-oil sources
>>>>> little by little, how will that make the oil companies feel?

>>>> Who cares ?

>>>>> We have nuclear (not green, but an alternative...

>>>> Its very green, no CO2 produced by the power generation process.

>>> But that CO2 provides the building blocks for the plants to make the green stuff,

>> Yes, but they did that fine with the CO2 levels seen before the industrial revolution.

>>> so that's not even a negative.

>> It does arguably increase the temperature of the surface.

> Perhaps a tenuous argument at best.

Not really.

> Bear in mind we do need the greenhouse effect to merely make the planet livable.

Sure, but clearly there is a greenhouse effect to do that.

> Whether there can be any radical increase is a moot point.

Doesnt need to be radical to be undesirable.

>>> For a power source that has no real negatives

>> The most obvious one is that countrys like
>> North Korea can produce bombs using them.

> Even they must be aware that doing a bit of bomb practice in naughty
> areas may well end up in their country being reduced to a lake or sea.

Its actually about deterrence. It is clear why countrys like North Korea
are keen on having some of that with Iraq and Afghanistan etc.

> However since their government has shown how much it
> cares about its own people, maybe they would be that stupid.

Yeah, likely we'll never know because no one will be
game to try it with South Korea and Japan so close.

We werent prepared to use ours in the Korean war either.

>>> it's surprising there's so much resistance to it.

>>> Our country even has a vast area that is quite suited to nuclear waste disposal,

>> And big areas which have lots of naturally ocurring radioactive substances too.

> Vast areas are still a no-go area from testing 50 years ago.

Nar, they're not no-go.

> It's hard to imagine any country being stupid enough to allow a foreign
> country to lay waste to a huge area but we did suck up to one then.

Two of those countrys did it to their own country. Its not surprising that the poms didnt.

> At least they used an un(der)populated area which isn't part of the artesian basin.

Yeah, and it has only a trivial effect now.

>>> and would probably also provide a healthy boost to
>>> the economy of the state that's best suited for it. SA.

>> They appear to be too stupid to realise that tho.

> I suppose it doesn't sound pretty to be the nuclear garbage dump for the world

Yeah, thats the main problem, and the transit of that stuff to get it there.

> but with it being stable politically and geologically,
> where better in the world to reduce a growing problem.

Yeah, I think we should do that myself.



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==============================================================================
TOPIC: Forget oil, short the stock market
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/f319c22ae17e49be?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 22 2008 8:56 am
From: "RodSpeed,_dividends_and_cash_flow_are_bubblicious"


Anyone can play this game I am seeing. It is a casino at this point.
Try utilizing QID, SDS,DOG, PSQ,SH,DXD among other exchange traded
funds to go short on the major US market indexes. That EWA is holding
on fine there RodSpeed. Either the big money desk traders are trying
to take the market down incrementally because positions are so screwed
up or else they are baiting the shorts to get stuck in short holdings
that will get squeezed.

I am of the opinion that everything is market-based now. Thanks to
modern society, I can see gasoline go up in price daily, fluctuating
on oil prices. Real estate is market based, no firm prices there.
Health care? That is the next big thing that will be irking peoples of
the USA. Forget about jobs that go anywhere. We are looking at
massive containment of people for health benefits.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 22 2008 9:04 am
From: George Grapman


RodSpeed,_dividends_and_cash_flow_are_bubblicious wrote:
> Anyone can play this game I am seeing. It is a casino at this point.
> Try utilizing QID, SDS,DOG, PSQ,SH,DXD among other exchange traded
> funds to go short on the major US market indexes. That EWA is holding
> on fine there RodSpeed. Either the big money desk traders are trying
> to take the market down incrementally because positions are so screwed
> up or else they are baiting the shorts to get stuck in short holdings
> that will get squeezed.
>
> I am of the opinion that everything is market-based now. Thanks to
> modern society, I can see gasoline go up in price daily, fluctuating
> on oil prices. Real estate is market based, no firm prices there.
> Health care? That is the next big thing that will be irking peoples of
> the USA. Forget about jobs that go anywhere. We are looking at
> massive containment of people for health benefits.

Keep in mind that when but buy a stock your losses are limited to
your investment but when you go short the losses have no limit.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 22 2008 10:35 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"George Grapman" <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote in message
news:HgDvj.8660$5K1.6973@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net...
> RodSpeed,_dividends_and_cash_flow_are_bubblicious wrote:
>> Anyone can play this game I am seeing. It is a casino at this point.
>> Try utilizing QID, SDS,DOG, PSQ,SH,DXD among other exchange traded
>> funds to go short on the major US market indexes. That EWA is holding
>> on fine there RodSpeed. Either the big money desk traders are trying
>> to take the market down incrementally because positions are so screwed
>> up or else they are baiting the shorts to get stuck in short holdings
>> that will get squeezed.
>>
>> I am of the opinion that everything is market-based now. Thanks to
>> modern society, I can see gasoline go up in price daily, fluctuating
>> on oil prices. Real estate is market based, no firm prices there.
>> Health care? That is the next big thing that will be irking peoples of
>> the USA. Forget about jobs that go anywhere. We are looking at
>> massive containment of people for health benefits.
>
> Keep in mind that when but buy a stock your losses are limited to your
> investment but when you go short the losses have no limit.

and there's never any guarantee that you can sell.
>


== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 22 2008 10:38 am
From: George Grapman


AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
> "George Grapman" <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote in message
> news:HgDvj.8660$5K1.6973@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net...
>> RodSpeed,_dividends_and_cash_flow_are_bubblicious wrote:
>>> Anyone can play this game I am seeing. It is a casino at this point.
>>> Try utilizing QID, SDS,DOG, PSQ,SH,DXD among other exchange traded
>>> funds to go short on the major US market indexes. That EWA is holding
>>> on fine there RodSpeed. Either the big money desk traders are trying
>>> to take the market down incrementally because positions are so screwed
>>> up or else they are baiting the shorts to get stuck in short holdings
>>> that will get squeezed.
>>>
>>> I am of the opinion that everything is market-based now. Thanks to
>>> modern society, I can see gasoline go up in price daily, fluctuating
>>> on oil prices. Real estate is market based, no firm prices there.
>>> Health care? That is the next big thing that will be irking peoples of
>>> the USA. Forget about jobs that go anywhere. We are looking at
>>> massive containment of people for health benefits.
>> Keep in mind that when but buy a stock your losses are limited to your
>> investment but when you go short the losses have no limit.
>
> and there's never any guarantee that you can sell.
>
>
I went short on a stock once. This was before the internet and I was
checking the price on the phone hourly. After I few days I realized I
did not have the stomach for this and cashed out.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 22 2008 11:13 am
From: "Rod Speed"


RodSpeed,_dividends_and_cash_flow_are_bubblicious <kwokx2@hotmail.com> wrote

> Anyone can play this game I am seeing. It is a casino at this point.

Some of it is, some of it aint.

> Try utilizing QID, SDS,DOG, PSQ,SH,DXD among other exchange
> traded funds to go short on the major US market indexes. That
> EWA is holding on fine there RodSpeed. Either the big money
> desk traders are trying to take the market down incrementally
> because positions are so screwed up or else they are baiting
> the shorts to get stuck in short holdings that will get squeezed.

> I am of the opinion that everything is market-based now.

Nope, plenty aint, most obviously with the free stuff.

> Thanks to modern society, I can see gasoline go up in price daily, fluctuating on oil prices.

Its just noise.

> Real estate is market based, no firm prices there.

> Health care? That is the next big thing that will be irking peoples of the USA.

Only part of the population. Most are healthy enough so they can ignore it except for the hypocondriacs.

> Forget about jobs that go anywhere.

No they cant. Restaurants dont work too well over in india if you happen to be in the US.

> We are looking at massive containment of people for health benefits.

Wanna that one again in english ?



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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 22 2008 10:18 am
From: me@privacy.net


bob@coolgroups.com wrote:

>How many times can you generally reuse a disposable razor for shaving
>your face?

I use my one month at a time...... use Schick Slim
Twins

But I shave in the shower exclusively..... so the
shower makes my face very tender and probably makes the
shavers last longer


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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 22 2008 10:34 am
From: Cheapo Groovo


In article <f3e4949f-6c50-4340-ad75-
11421929defd@v3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, rbooth9858@yahoo.com says...
> On Feb 21, 2:29 pm, "SpammersDie" <x...@xx.xx> wrote:
> > "sarge137" <rbooth9...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >
> > news:9f7bb9c8-645e-4ad4-aa27-8e1726e1dbee@p43g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> > On Feb 20, 11:49 am, Cheapo Groovo <c...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > This guy proved his case, yet the state of Georgia doesn't care.
> >
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmVSbfvaqVw
> > >There's gotta be more to story.  The facts as presented seem pretty
> > >compelling.  But what I didn't see or hear:
> >
> > >Any comment or refusal to comment from the shop where the car was at
> > >for repairs on the day of the violation.
> >
> > >Any comment or refusal to comment from an officer of the court with
> > >jurisdiction over the ticket.  The Police Chief isn't the person they
> > >should have interviewed.  He didn't issue the ticket, nor does he
> > >adjudicate it.
> >
> > >Look at the tape again.  They report that the guy's car was in the
> > >shop "on the day of the violation"   What they don't say is that it
> > >was in the shop at the TIME of the violation.  When and by whom was it
> > >delivered to the shop?  When and by whom was it picked up?  Besides
> > >the guy on the tape, who has keys and permission to use the car, and
> > >where were they at the time of the violation?
> >
> > >I just can't believe that in any jurisdiction in this country that
> > >this ticket wouldn't be dismissed if he could show reasonable proof
You two scare the hell out of me. The police should be finding out who
is driving the car!

Why should this guy face the "hassle factor" of his own lawyer and a
civil lawsuit against the shop?

If you both think this is an isolated incident, you have been living in
the same cave as Bin Laden!

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 22 2008 11:10 am
From: clams_casino


Cheapo Groovo wrote:

>>>
>>>>Any comment or refusal to comment from an officer of the court with
>>>>jurisdiction over the ticket. The Police Chief isn't the person they
>>>>should have interviewed. He didn't issue the ticket, nor does he
>>>>adjudicate it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Look at the tape again. They report that the guy's car was in the
>>>>shop "on the day of the violation" What they don't say is that it
>>>>was in the shop at the TIME of the violation. When and by whom was it
>>>>delivered to the shop? When and by whom was it picked up? Besides
>>>>the guy on the tape, who has keys and permission to use the car, and
>>>>where were they at the time of the violation?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I just can't believe that in any jurisdiction in this country that
>>>>this ticket wouldn't be dismissed if he could show reasonable proof
>>>>
>>>>
>You two scare the hell out of me. The police should be finding out who
>is driving the car!
>
>Why should this guy face the "hassle factor" of his own lawyer and a
>civil lawsuit against the shop?
>
>If you both think this is an isolated incident, you have been living in
>the same cave as Bin Laden!
>
>

It's much like someone getting into an accident while driving your
car. Expect to be sued - regardless of who is driving.


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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 22 2008 10:39 am
From: Cheapo Groovo


In article <5b617a33-08c6-42eb-884f-2b6e10473374
@n77g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, kwokx2@hotmail.com says...
> LOL!
> Sounds too much like abomination.
>
> Meanwhile:
>
> http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080221/china_losing_competitiveness.html
>
>
> What happens when progress in Asia drives low cost labor out of China?
> I think we are due some inflation some how. Maybe, just maybe, we can
> start making things again in the USA like shoes, clothes, cars, books
> and alternative energy systems.
>
>
> All my readings have converged upon the idea that we have it all here
> in the USA and are suffering from affluenza boredom. I am not talking
> about it is all easy-street here. I think we have sold ourselves out
> to conveniences.
>
>
> RodSpeed, any great books you have read lately?
>
Africa will be the final place for globalization - by that time, the
rest of the world will look like Africa today (economically)

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 22 2008 11:15 am
From: "Rod Speed"


Cheapo Groovo <ccsj@nospam.com> wrote:
> In article <5b617a33-08c6-42eb-884f-2b6e10473374
> @n77g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, kwokx2@hotmail.com says...
>> LOL!
>> Sounds too much like abomination.
>>
>> Meanwhile:
>>
>> http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080221/china_losing_competitiveness.html
>>
>>
>> What happens when progress in Asia drives low cost labor out of
>> China? I think we are due some inflation some how. Maybe, just
>> maybe, we can start making things again in the USA like shoes,
>> clothes, cars, books and alternative energy systems.
>>
>>
>> All my readings have converged upon the idea that we have it all here
>> in the USA and are suffering from affluenza boredom. I am not talking
>> about it is all easy-street here. I think we have sold ourselves out
>> to conveniences.
>>
>>
>> RodSpeed, any great books you have read lately?
>>
> Africa will be the final place for globalization -

We'll see...

> by that time, the rest of the world will look like Africa today (economically)

Fantasy.



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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 22 2008 10:45 am
From: sarge137


On Feb 20, 10:07 am, "Evelyn C. Leeper" <elee...@optonline.net> wrote:
> Winston_Smith wrote:
>
> > Pretty much says on their website.  Basically you have to have no
> > access to broadcast TV except conventional analog broadcast (which is
> > ending).  If you have cable, satellite, other or if you have a TV that
> > can get the over the air broadcasts  you are ineligible.
>
> So if one has cable, one is obliged to buy/rent a cable box on one's own?
>
> --
> Evelyn C. Leeper
> Heretic: someone who disagrees with you about
> something neither of you knows anything about.

No. Only people who still receive television over the air will need
the converter boxes. The cable and satellite companies are already
delivering digital signals, and your existing set top box is all
you'll need. High def is an entirely different matter, and these
converters don't deliver that anyway. Getting over the air high def
will require a high def television with a compatible tuner, and for
best results a special antenna. From what I read, over the air high
def is better than what's delivered by the cable/dish providers
because it's not compressed. Maybe a techie who reads this group can
explain it.

Regards,
Sarge

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 22 2008 12:37 pm
From: "Evelyn C. Leeper"


sarge137 wrote:
> On Feb 20, 10:07 am, "Evelyn C. Leeper" <elee...@optonline.net> wrote:
>> Winston_Smith wrote:
>>
>>> Pretty much says on their website. Basically you have to have no
>>> access to broadcast TV except conventional analog broadcast (which is
>>> ending). If you have cable, satellite, other or if you have a TV that
>>> can get the over the air broadcasts you are ineligible.
>> So if one has cable, one is obliged to buy/rent a cable box on one's own?
>>
>> --
>> Evelyn C. Leeper
>> Heretic: someone who disagrees with you about
>> something neither of you knows anything about.
>
> No. Only people who still receive television over the air will need
> the converter boxes. The cable and satellite companies are already
> delivering digital signals, and your existing set top box is all
> you'll need.

What existing set top box? We don't have one.

--
Evelyn C. Leeper
Heretic: someone who disagrees with you about
something neither of you knows anything about.



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