Saturday, February 23, 2008

25 new messages in 14 topics - digest

misc.consumers.frugal-living
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* She wants first day as first night - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/d5c237fe4d8555cd?hl=en
* Where Do You Shop For The BEST Value? - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* ※★www.netfashion2008.cn★→wholesale cheap nike shox NZ OZ R2 R3 R4 R5 TN RIFT
shoes clothe jean handbag【$19.99】 - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/37345a75fb8df0b7?hl=en
* just do business with us,send website for free! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/fa042c3ab5d8fbff?hl=en
* An Affordable Vacation - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/32de0503baeaea61?hl=en
* Limo Services Orange County - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/baf51db5548f7907?hl=en
* Download Your Free Personal, Customizable SI Swimsuit 2008 Calendar! - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/5c50f7d856d993ef?hl=en
* Predictions on oil costs for next decade - 5 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/4d8ed6676617cb7f?hl=en
* ►Make HUGE money online playing GAMES ◄ - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/bc438b52d9c8643b?hl=en
* Point? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/5df4650d61ccba57?hl=en
* SCAM WARNING! She cheated the net out of MILLIONS!$$$ - 2 messages, 2
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/43c6679d51c745e6?hl=en
* HD-TV converter box rip-off .... - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/4a9061c13abe5727?hl=en
* cheap nike air max 97 2003 2004 tn ltd nike shox tl turbo class shoes
wholesale - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/6f9838f586b566b8?hl=en
* Red Light Cameras- Guilty even when innocent - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/33ec8ce41d959a6e?hl=en

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TOPIC: She wants first day as first night
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/d5c237fe4d8555cd?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 2:04 am
From: andhralo3


She wants first day as first night

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TOPIC: Where Do You Shop For The BEST Value?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 3:08 am
From: Anthony Matonak


Too_Many_Tools wrote:
> When it comes to buying something, where do you find the best value?

I guess it depends a lot on the something, doesn't it?
Ones selection is also going to be limited by things like
location, time available to search, even knowledge.

What are you looking to buy? Tools? Real Estate? Pets?
Guns? Alcohol? Hookers? Music?

There aren't many places that you'll find the best value
for everything. :)

Anthony

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 3:40 am
From: clams_casino


Too_Many_Tools wrote:

>When it comes to buying something, where do you find the best value?
>
>TMT
>
>

eBay


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TOPIC: An Affordable Vacation
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== 1 of 1 ==
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TOPIC: Limo Services Orange County
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 3:58 am
From: e40xyasm


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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 4:17 am
From: Al Bundy


On Feb 23, 6:58 am, e40xyasm <sa0pi0...@gmail.com> wrote:
> for my wedding transportation I got a Hummer limousine in orange
> County from AIS limousines

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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 5:08 am
From: Terryc


Rod Speed wrote:


> Which might just be why the frogs generate most of their power using nukes.

Come back when they actually have the waste safely disposed of and the
full accounts are in.

> No point, its perfectly possible to make it completely safe from everyone.

so what did you get from Santa?
>
>

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 5:11 am
From: Terryc


Jimington wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 14:29:19 +1100, Terryc
> <newsfourspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>>Jimington wrote:
>>
>>
>>>For a power source that has no real negatives it's surprising there's
>>>so much resistance to it.
>>
>>1)Nuclear waste that lasts longer than any human civilisation.
>
> So does the raw material, so what's the problem with returning it to
> the ground it came from?

a) because it is not the same material or even eqivalent.
b) there is masses more of it then was mined, aka it infest a hell of a
lot of stuff along the way that also has to be stored.


> Why pass up a chance to make some money in a safe and logical fashion?
> I'm sure other countries will be quite happy to kick the politically
> hot football of waste as far as possible.

A) it isn't safe. none of the systems proposed in the last 30 years is
in major scale use.


> Yeah right, i can really see a terrorist group camping out in the fly
> ridden scrub digging their own hole down however many metres the waste
> will be buried and dragging up concrete encased drums of the stuff.

Lol, I have some news for you. concrete encased drums are not long term
storage. If it is stored in any form of drum, then it need regualr
drumreplacement.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 7:05 am
From: George


Terryc wrote:

>
>
>> Yeah right, i can really see a terrorist group camping out in the fly
>> ridden scrub digging their own hole down however many metres the waste
>> will be buried and dragging up concrete encased drums of the stuff.
>
> Lol, I have some news for you. concrete encased drums are not long term
> storage. If it is stored in any form of drum, then it need regualr
> drumreplacement.

Exactly, that is still "we still haven't figured out know what to do
with this so lets encase it and put it under a mountain for coming
generations to worry about..."

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 8:57 am
From: "Rod Speed"


Terryc <newsfourspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Terryc <newsfourspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote
>>> Jimington wrote

>>>> For a power source that has no real negatives it's surprising there's so much resistance to it.

>>> 1)Nuclear waste that lasts longer than any human civilisation.

>> Pity that what you start with does that even if you leave it in the ground.

>>> 2)Easiest used for weapons.

>> Not all nukes can be used for weapons.

>>> 3)Not economic unless heavily subsidised.

>> Thats a lie with countrys that dont have their own coal.

>> Which might just be why the frogs generate most of their power using nukes.

> Come back when they actually have the waste safely disposed of and the full accounts are in.

No thanks, it clearly viable right now for them.

>>>> Our country even has a vast area that is quite suited to nuclear waste

>>> Lol, Australia is not suited to long term storage of nuclear waste.

>> Pig ignorant lie.

>>> If a country creates it, then let them store it

>> No thanks.

>>>> disposal, and would probably also provide a healthy boost to the economy of the state that's best suited for it.
>>>> SA.

>>> Prepared to line up for microchipping to keep the waste safe?

>> No point, its perfectly possible to make it completely safe from everyone.

> so what did you get from Santa?

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.


== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 9:02 am
From: "Rod Speed"


Terryc <newsfourspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote
> Jimington wrote
>> Terryc <newsfourspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote
>>> Jimington wrote

>>>> For a power source that has no real negatives it's surprising there's so much resistance to it.

>>> 1)Nuclear waste that lasts longer than any human civilisation.

>> So does the raw material, so what's the problem with returning it to the ground it came from?

> a) because it is not the same material or even eqivalent.

Irrelevant to that stupid pig ignorant line of yours above.

> b) there is masses more of it then was mined,

Pig ignorant lie.

> aka it infest a hell of a lot of stuff along the way that also has to be stored.

Not if the process is designed to minimise the other stuff.

>> Why pass up a chance to make some money in a safe and logical fashion? I'm sure other countries will be quite happy
>> to kick the politically hot football of waste as far as possible.

> A) it isn't safe.

Corse it is.

> none of the systems proposed in the last 30 years is in major scale use.

Just because there is no need to.

>>>> disposal, and would probably also provide a healthy boost to the economy of the state that's best suited for it.
>>>> SA.

>>> Prepared to line up for microchipping to keep the waste safe?

>> Yeah right, i can really see a terrorist group camping out in the fly ridden scrub digging their own hole down
>> however many metres the waste will be buried and dragging up concrete encased drums of the stuff.

> Lol, I have some news for you. concrete encased drums are not long term storage.

Yes they are when you put them where it doesnt matter a damn what happens to them.

> If it is stored in any form of drum, then it need regualr drumreplacement.

Wrong, as always.

And irrelevant to your stupid lie about microchipping anyway.



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== 1 of 1 ==
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 6:04 am
From: "Peters_Potamus"


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> habit of smoking. Engaging in dialogue here serves two purposes for me.
> First, to try (albeit with unlikely success) to convince people that
> smoking is an unwelcome habit in the public arena and that smoking is
> dangerous to one's health. Second, for the entertainment value. Its dirt
> cheap entertainment; far better than watching some lame brained
> television show. If I can convince at least one person to at least stop
> smoking in public, then my effort is well rewarded, but even if none
> heeds my words, I still derive a good deal of entertainment value here.

See so-so,
It remind's me of the skit where Kevin Nealon was the Cane (or) and
E.Estivez was caned in Hong Kong for spray painting cars.

3 strokes of the cane were given to him for the crime.

Just as usenet rules were meant to be broken by Shame Him's
type so are the smoking laws.

So HeeYee yee yee yeeee ~YAaaaaaaaaaaah
Shame Hims is blasted back to the land of cheapskates
misc.consumers.frugal-living for those who want to follow.

Poor reaon's for trolling !
Tell us about all the other group's too!
Each one. Let's see if you can type it all today.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 7:05 am
From: Shawn Hirn


In article <9d8eb$47c027b7$3f1714b0$31728@DIALUPUSA.NET>,
"Peters_Potamus" <Peters_Potamus@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Troll
> "Shawn Hirn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:srhi-7EDF69.08190923022008@newsgroups.comcast.net...
> > In article <rXJvj.8328$0M3.1339@newsfe17.lga>,
> > "Dave Beorn" <NoteToDavid@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Post's to the world his justification for trolling:
>
> > I am an optimist and stubborn as all get out. I am also extremely
> > tenacious. I also find it amusing that some people actually defend the
> > habit of smoking. Engaging in dialogue here serves two purposes for me.
> > First, to try (albeit with unlikely success) to convince people that
> > smoking is an unwelcome habit in the public arena and that smoking is
> > dangerous to one's health. Second, for the entertainment value. Its dirt
> > cheap entertainment; far better than watching some lame brained
> > television show. If I can convince at least one person to at least stop
> > smoking in public, then my effort is well rewarded, but even if none
> > heeds my words, I still derive a good deal of entertainment value here.
>
> See so-so,
> It remind's me of the skit where Kevin Nealon was the Cane (or) and
> E.Estivez was caned in Hong Kong for spray painting cars.
>
> 3 strokes of the cane were given to him for the crime.
>
> Just as usenet rules were meant to be broken by Shame Him's
> type so are the smoking laws.

Equating Usenet rules with statutory law is ludicrous. Not even the so
called smokers on alt.smokers use the group for its intended purpose.

> So HeeYee yee yee yeeee ~YAaaaaaaaaaaah
> Shame Hims is blasted back to the land of cheapskates
> misc.consumers.frugal-living for those who want to follow.

> Poor reaon's for trolling !
> Tell us about all the other group's too!
> Each one. Let's see if you can type it all today.

Why? Feel free to look yourself.


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Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 7:40 am
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On Feb 23, 10:05 am, successn08 <rae...@gmail.com> wrote:
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 7:19 am
From: EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com


In misc.survivalism sarge137 <rbooth9858@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Many years ago I lived in a high rise apartment in
> Washington, DC. It had a master antenna mounted on the roof.
> Sometimes late at night, or when there were high clouds in just the
> right spot I could tune in a couple of the Baltimore stations, even
> though I was way outside the normal range. That's going to disappear
> with digital also.

Ummm...So what? Who gives a shit about occasional, late night, snowy
reception?

--
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
-- Bertrand Russel

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 7:23 am
From: EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com


In misc.survivalism sarge137 <rbooth9858@yahoo.com> wrote:

> You're right. Off the top of my head, I can't cite where I read that
> digital signals can't be amplified;

Google "amplify digital signal"


--
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
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-- Bertrand Russel

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 8:26 am
From: "Janie"

"AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:JnJvj.15$JU3.8@trndny04...
>
> "sarge137" <rbooth9858@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:772fc956-f358-4d2c-ae2b-d4f1c376ee77@41g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 20, 10:07 am, "Evelyn C. Leeper" <elee...@optonline.net> wrote:
>> Winston_Smith wrote:
>>
>> > Pretty much says on their website. Basically you have to have no
>> > access to broadcast TV except conventional analog broadcast (which is
>> > ending). If you have cable, satellite, other or if you have a TV that
>> > can get the over the air broadcasts you are ineligible.
>>
>> So if one has cable, one is obliged to buy/rent a cable box on one's own?
>>
>> --
>> Evelyn C. Leeper
>> Heretic: someone who disagrees with you about
>> something neither of you knows anything about.
>
> No. Only people who still receive television over the air will need
> the converter boxes. The cable and satellite companies are already
> delivering digital signals, and your existing set top box is all
> you'll need. High def is an entirely different matter, and these
> converters don't deliver that anyway. Getting over the air high def
> will require a high def television with a compatible tuner, and for
> best results a special antenna. From what I read, over the air high
> def is better than what's delivered by the cable/dish providers
> because it's not compressed. Maybe a techie who reads this group can
> explain it.
>
> i believe this is what broadcast engineer dh told me.
>Everyone who has cable does not have a set top box. My cable connects
>directly to my TV. Maybe I should call my cable company and ask.



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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 8:46 am
From: sarge137


On Feb 22, 11:34 am, Cheapo Groovo <c...@nospam.com> wrote:

> You two scare the hell out of me. The police should be finding out who
> is driving the car!

Not hardly. This is a camera infraction - no personal injury - no
property damage. I don't know how things are where you live, but in
my city the police have far more important things to do. In fact,
they're not even part of the process. They don't install or maintain
the cameras, they don't issue the citations, and they don't collect
the fines. All of that is done by the city traffic and streets
bureau, and the municipal court. They police aren't involved until
the thing escalates to the point where a warrant is issued.

> Why should this guy face the "hassle factor" of his own lawyer and a
> civil lawsuit against the shop?

No lawyers need be involved. If he chooses the easy out, pay the fine
and sue the shop, he's well within small claims court limits. Lawyers
aren't even allowed in that room unless they're a party to a case. As
far as the "hassle factor" is concerned, all I can say is that life's
a hassle, get over it. It's his car and his problem. But it's not
complicated. Just go to whatever office in his town that handles this
and give the information and documents they need to show the shop had
the car at the time of the violation. It's not hard, and probably
takes less time than whining to a TV camera.

He's the one who said "it's the principal". I agree with him, and
would also fight this thing tooth and nail. But nobody's going to
just take his word for anything, nor should they. Forty years in this
business had taught me, among other things, that sometimes you're
right, but can't prove it; or proving it is more trouble than it's
worth.

> If you both think this is an isolated incident, you have been living in
> the same cave as Bin Laden!

Nope, not living in a cave. I know it's not isolated, or even rare,
but it's also not common. My friend at the municipal court clerk's
office tells me they're contacted two or three times a week by people
who say they weren't driving the car when the picture was taken. Only
about one in five of those actually show up to handle it that way.
What happened with the other four? Don't know, and don't care.

In your original post you say "The guy proved his case". Pretty
obvious that all he did was raise more questions that need to be
answered before anything is "proved". And the reporter was too
incompetent or dishonest to pursue them.

Regards,
Sarge

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 8:57 am
From: clams_casino


sarge137 wrote:

>On Feb 22, 11:34 am, Cheapo Groovo <c...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>You two scare the hell out of me. The police should be finding out who
>>is driving the car!
>>
>>
>
>Not hardly. This is a camera infraction - no personal injury - no
>property damage. I don't know how things are where you live, but in
>my city the police have far more important things to do. In fact,
>they're not even part of the process. They don't install or maintain
>the cameras, they don't issue the citations, and they don't collect
>the fines. All of that is done by the city traffic and streets
>bureau, and the municipal court. They police aren't involved until
>the thing escalates to the point where a warrant is issued.
>
>
>

In many cases, the cameras may not even be monitored in that state.

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