Frugal Living: 24 new messages in 10 topics

Saturday, February 23, 2008

24 new messages in 10 topics - digest

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TOPIC: Predictions on oil costs for next decade
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 9:04 am
From: "Rod Speed"

George <george@nospam.invalid> wrote
> Terryc wrote

>>> Yeah right, i can really see a terrorist group camping out in the fly ridden scrub digging their own hole down
>>> however many metres the waste will be buried and dragging up concrete encased drums of the stuff.

>> Lol, I have some news for you. concrete encased drums are not long term storage. If it is stored in any form of drum,
>> then it need regualr drumreplacement.

> Exactly,

Nope.

> that is still "we still haven't figured out know what to do with this so lets encase it and put it under a mountain
> for coming generations to worry about..."

They can just ignore it when the location is selected properly.

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 2:23 pm
From: Terryc

Rod Speed wrote:

>>>>Prepared to line up for microchipping to keep the waste safe?
>>>No point, its perfectly possible to make it completely safe from everyone.
>>so what did you get from Santa?
> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

Thanks Rod. I'll take that as your admission of defeat {:-).

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 2:25 pm
From: Terryc

Rod Speed wrote:

>>>>Prepared to line up for microchipping to keep the waste safe?
>>>Yeah right, i can really see a terrorist group camping out in the fly ridden scrub digging their own hole down
>>>however many metres the waste will be buried and dragging up concrete encased drums of the stuff.
>>Lol, I have some news for you. concrete encased drums are not long term storage.
> Yes they are when you put them where it doesnt matter a damn what happens to them.
>>If it is stored in any form of drum, then it need regualr drumreplacement.
> Wrong, as always.

Thanks Rod, I'll take that as an admission of defeat. {:-).

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 2:40 pm
From: William Souden

Terryc wrote:
> Rod Speed wrote:
>
>>>>> Prepared to line up for microchipping to keep the waste safe?
>>>> No point, its perfectly possible to make it completely safe from
>>>> everyone.
>>> so what did you get from Santa?
>> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
>
> Thanks Rod. I'll take that as your admission of defeat {:-).
>
You will know that you really defeated him when you see the flushing bot.

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 2:46 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Terryc <newsfourspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote:
> Rod Speed wrote:
>
>>>>> Prepared to line up for microchipping to keep the waste safe?
>>>> No point, its perfectly possible to make it completely safe from
>>>> everyone.
>>> so what did you get from Santa?
>> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
>
> Thanks Rod. I'll take that as your admission of defeat {:-).

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 2:46 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Terryc <newsfourspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote:
> Rod Speed wrote:
>
>>>>> Prepared to line up for microchipping to keep the waste safe?
>>>> Yeah right, i can really see a terrorist group camping out in the
>>>> fly ridden scrub digging their own hole down however many metres
>>>> the waste will be buried and dragging up concrete encased drums of
>>>> the stuff.
>>> Lol, I have some news for you. concrete encased drums are not long
>>> term storage.
>> Yes they are when you put them where it doesnt matter a damn what
>> happens to them.
>>> If it is stored in any form of drum, then it need regualr
>>> drumreplacement.
>> Wrong, as always.
>
> Thanks Rod, I'll take that as an admission of defeat. {:-).

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 3:29 pm
From: William Souden

Rod Speed wrote:
> Terryc <newsfourspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote:
>> Rod Speed wrote:
>>
>>>>>> Prepared to line up for microchipping to keep the waste safe?
>>>>> Yeah right, i can really see a terrorist group camping out in the
>>>>> fly ridden scrub digging their own hole down however many metres
>>>>> the waste will be buried and dragging up concrete encased drums of
>>>>> the stuff.
>>>> Lol, I have some news for you. concrete encased drums are not long
>>>> term storage.
>>> Yes they are when you put them where it doesnt matter a damn what
>>> happens to them.
>>>> If it is stored in any form of drum, then it need regualr
>>>> drumreplacement.
>>> Wrong, as always.
>> Thanks Rod, I'll take that as an admission of defeat. {:-).
>
> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
>
>
Goos start, welfare boy, now admit total defeat by reposting the
flushing bot.

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== 1 of 1 ==
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TOPIC: Red Light Cameras- Guilty even when innocent
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 10:02 am
From: sarge137

On Feb 23, 9:57 am, clams_casino <PeterGrif...@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
> sarge137 wrote:
> >On Feb 22, 11:34 am, Cheapo Groovo <c...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> >>You two scare the hell out of me. The police should be finding out who
> >>is driving the car!
>
> >Not hardly. This is a camera infraction - no personal injury - no
> >property damage. I don't know how things are where you live, but in
> >my city the police have far more important things to do. In fact,
> >they're not even part of the process. They don't install or maintain
> >the cameras, they don't issue the citations, and they don't collect
> >the fines. All of that is done by the city traffic and streets
> >bureau, and the municipal court. They police aren't involved until
> >the thing escalates to the point where a warrant is issued.
>
> In many cases, the cameras may not even be monitored in that state.
>
> http://www.nestor.com/red%20light.html- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Correct. In in my city, even though every primary intersection, and
many secondary ones have camera housings, fewer than half actually
have cameras in them at any given time. And even fewer are actually
turned on. The city moves them around all the time. You never know
which ones are active or empty.

They're mainly there as a deterrent. Reminds me of the time years ago
when we'd park a patrol car next the road with a mannequin dressed in
a police uniform. Amazing how the speed would drop along that stretch
and it didn't cost the tax payers any overtime. Of course for it to
work, every now and again the occupant of the car was real officer who
was there to write tickets. No way to tell until you were right on
top of it.

Regards,
Sarge

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TOPIC: HD-TV converter box rip-off ....
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 10:15 am
From: sarge137

On Feb 23, 8:19 am, EskWI...@spamblock.panix.com wrote:
> In misc.survivalism sarge137 <rbooth9...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Many years ago I lived in a high rise apartment in
> > Washington, DC. It had a master antenna mounted on the roof.
> > Sometimes late at night, or when there were high clouds in just the
> > right spot I could tune in a couple of the Baltimore stations, even
> > though I was way outside the normal range. That's going to disappear
> > with digital also.
>
> Ummm...So what? Who gives a shit about occasional, late night, snowy
> reception?
>
> --
> The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
> certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
> -- Bertrand Russel

Not me or anyone I know - just using a little anecdote to point out
how the OTA landscape, as many of us grew up with, will be changing
soon.

Sarge

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 10:22 am
From: sarge137

On Feb 23, 8:23 am, EskWI...@spamblock.panix.com wrote:
> In misc.survivalism sarge137 <rbooth9...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > You're right. Off the top of my head, I can't cite where I read that
> > digital signals can't be amplified;
>
> Google "amplify digital signal"
>
> --
> The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
> certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
> -- Bertrand Russel

Got it - I know how to use Google. In fact my collegues say that if I
can't find it, it ain't out there.

I didn't find it on the web. I read in a periodical, or a book -
likely one the "for Dummies" series. But, Rod's a wingnut and I'm not
going to any trouble to prove anything to him. He'd either deny it's
there, or find some reason to dismiss it anyway.

Sarge

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 10:40 am
From: EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com

In misc.survivalism sarge137 <rbooth9858@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 23, 8:23 am, EskWI...@spamblock.panix.com wrote:
> > In misc.survivalism sarge137 <rbooth9...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > You're right. Off the top of my head, I can't cite where I read that
> > > digital signals can't be amplified;
> >
> > Google "amplify digital signal"

> Got it - I know how to use Google. In fact my collegues say that if I
> can't find it, it ain't out there.

Then how did you miss the hundreds of webpages which indicate that digital
signals are routinely amplified?

> I didn't find it on the web. I read in a periodical, or a book -
> likely one the "for Dummies" series.

Or maybe you just misremembered your forgotten source? We're talking
simple facts here. And in fact, all around you, right now, in any
direction you could point, digital signals are being amplified.

But, Rod's a wingnut and I'm not
> going to any trouble to prove anything to him. He'd either deny it's
> there, or find some reason to dismiss it anyway.

Or maybe you are just simply wrong? This is a matter of fact.

I remember talking with an engineer around 1984 about the move to fiber in
telecom systems. I asked him how long the transmission line could be.
He told me that with periodic amplification, the length was infinite.

This is nothing new. Nor esoteric.

--
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
-- Bertrand Russel

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 11:08 am
From: Tim May

In article
<05731ee7-3ec9-477c-8500-4fe0320586d9@q33g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
sarge137 <rbooth9858@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Feb 23, 8:23 am, EskWI...@spamblock.panix.com wrote:
> > In misc.survivalism sarge137 <rbooth9...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > You're right. Off the top of my head, I can't cite where I read that
> > > digital signals can't be amplified;
> >
> > Google "amplify digital signal"
> >

> Got it - I know how to use Google. In fact my collegues say that if I
> can't find it, it ain't out there.
>
> I didn't find it on the web. I read in a periodical, or a book -
> likely one the "for Dummies" series. But, Rod's a wingnut and I'm not
> going to any trouble to prove anything to him. He'd either deny it's
> there, or find some reason to dismiss it anyway.

I don't know who you and Rod are, but digital signals can OF COURSE be
amplified. The digital signals transmitted by remote spacecraft are of
course amplified in various sophisticated ways. Even fiber optic lines
often have repeaters, which are essentially "detect, regenerate"
amplifiers of digital (high, low, 1, 0, etc.) signals.

The very LNB/amplifier in a satellite dish is an amplifier/detector of
a "digital signal" (though until the signal is "decided on" in terms of
1s and 0s, it's basically analog, which is why bigger dishes give a
better signal, and are basically "amplifying" the signal via focussing
the raw RF onto an element which further processes it).

As for Google, I found numerous discussions in a few seconds' worth of
searching. I won't even bother to clip-n-paste various URLs here.

As for what you may have read in a "Dummies" book, my speculation is
that you read something along the lines about how when a signal has
already been detected/converted/processed and is a clean digital data
stream, that further "amplificiation" is usually unnecessary. This
issue often comes up in high-end audio, with various snake oil salesmen
trying to sell "digital amplifiers" for what are already signals which
are already clean (meaning, easily distinguishable). (Timing jitter may
or may not be an issue worth considering, but this is not the same as
amplification.)

Error correction is also common in digital transmissions, so even some
incorrectly discriminated bits, or bit flips, can be corrected-way. If
too many errors occur, not so.

I have both HD via a satellite (DirectTV) and OTA (Terk antenna on my
roof). Both signals are _usually_ clean, with no break-up or
"blocking." Sometimes with heavy rain one or both of these feeds may
break-up into chunks, that is, uncorrectable blocks of signal. (There's
probably some common term for this, but I don't follow things that
closely.)

In extreme cases, my receiver or my t.v. (when fed directly from the
Terk roof antenna) will go blank, a design feature. Sometimes the
satellite receiver says "Searching for satellite signal."

A bigger satellite antenna might help (not offered by my vendor, but
physics is physics), a bigger roof antenna might help. An inline
amplifier between the dish or antenna and receiver might help. Because
the signals are "at the edge" of proper detection (that is, without too
many errors), so amplification might help.

A long signal run may need inline amplifiers. As the previous poster
said, use Google. I would check antenna size first.

(And there are some obvious simple experiments to try before spending
money on inline amplifiers.)

--Tim May

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 12:20 pm
From: Winston_Smith

On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:22:31 -0500, A <arthures@panix.com> wrote:

>Over the air HDTV is not cable.

Correct. Over the air HDTV will replace the current over the air
analog system. The point of the converter box is to receive those new
kinds of signals and convert them to something you can watch on your
existing analog TV set.

Having cable now or having had cable (or satellite) disqualifies you.
Whether or not it's available to you is not the issue. It's whether
you have it or had it recently.

Having a TV set that can receive the new broadcasts disqualifies you
since you don't need the box to keep on getting TV.

Having over the air HDTV does not disqualify you. In fact without it
being available in your area, there is no need for the converter box.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 1:32 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

sarge137 <rbooth9858@yahoo.com> wrote
> EskWI...@spamblock.panix.com wrote
>> sarge137 <rbooth9...@yahoo.com> wrote

>>> You're right. Off the top of my head, I can't cite
>>> where I read that digital signals can't be amplified;

>> Google "amplify digital signal"

> Got it - I know how to use Google. In fact my
> collegues say that if I can't find it, it ain't out there.

Wota fucking wanker.

Clearly doesnt mean you can comprehend what you find tho.

> I didn't find it on the web. I read in a periodical, or a book -
> likely one the "for Dummies" series. But, Rod's a wingnut and
> I'm not going to any trouble to prove anything to him. He'd either
> deny it's there, or find some reason to dismiss it anyway.

Its no news that some fool gets it wrong in some place like that.

What matters is that anyone with HDTV can prove that an amplifier works
fine and blow that stupid pig ignorant claim completely out of the water.

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TOPIC: Prophet Muhammad the last Messenger in the Bible
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 10:28 am
From: dawa-dawa

Prophet Muhammad the last Messenger in the Bible

http://www.islamhouse.com/p/51912
What the Bible Says About Muhammad
http://www.islamhouse.com/p/53040

According to the Bible, God said to Moses, on whom be peace: I will
raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will
put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command
him. (The Holy Bible, New International Version, Deuteronomy chapter
18, verse 18). The prophet described in the above verse must have the
following three characteristics: 1. He will be like Moses. 2. He will
come from the brothers of the Israelites, i.e. the Ishmaelites. 3. God
will put His words in the mouth of the prophet and he will declare
what God commanded him. Let us see which prophet God was speaking of.
1. The prophet like Moses Some people feel that this prophecy refers
to the prophet Jesus, on whom be peace. But, although Jesus (peace be
upon him and all of God's prophets and messengers) was truly a prophet
of God, he is not the prophet spoken of here. He was born
miraculously, and finally God raised him up miraculously. On the other
hand, Muhammad is more like Moses; both were born in a natural way and
both died natural deaths.
2. From among the Ishmaelites Abraham had two sons, Ishmael and Isaac
(Genesis, chapter 21). Ishmael became the grandfather of the Arab
nation. And Isaac became the grandfather of Jewish nation. The prophet
spoken of was to come not from among the Jews themselves, but from
among their brothers, the Ishmaelites. Muhammad a descendant of
Ishmael, is indeed that prophet. 3. God will put his words in his
mouth 'Neither the content of the revelation, nor its form, were of
Muhammad's devising. Both were given by the angel, and Muhammad's task
was only to repeat what he heard.' (Word Religions from Ancient
history to the Present, by Geoffrey Parrinder, p. 472). God sent the
angel Gabriel to teach Muhammad the exact words that he should repeat
to the people. The words are therefore not his own; they did not come
from his own thoughts, but were put into his mouth by the angel. These
are written down in the Qur'an word for word, exactly as they came
from God. Now that we know that prophet we must listen to him, for,
according to the Bible, God says: 'I will punish anyone who refuses to
obey him' (Good News Bible, Deut. 18:19). Jesus (on whom be peace) In
the Glorious Qur'an The Qur'an tells us many wonderful things about
Jesus. As a result, believers in the Qur'an love Jesus, honor him and
believe in him. In fact, no Muslim can be a Muslim unless he or she
believes in Jesus, on whom be peace. The Qur'an says that Jesus was
born of a virgin, that he spoke while he was still only a baby, that
he healed the blind and the leper by God's leave and that he raised
the dead by God's leave. What then is the significance of these
miracles? First, the virgin birth. God demonstrates His power to
create in every way. God created everyone we know from a man and a
woman. But how about Adam, on whom be peace? God created him from
neither a man nor a woman. And Eve from only a man, without a woman.
And finally, to complete the picture, God created Jesus from a woman,
without a man. What about the other miracles? These were to show that
Jesus was not acting on his own behalf, but that he was backed by God.
The Qur'an specifies that these miracles were performed by God's
leave. This may be compared to the Book of Acts in the Bible, chapter
2, verse 22, where it says that the miracles were done by God to show
that he approved of Jesus. Also, note that Jesus himself is recorded
in the Gospel of John to have said: 'I can do nothing of my own
authority' (5:30). The miracles, therefore, were done not by his own
authority, but by God's authority. What did Jesus teach? The Qur'an
tells us that Jesus came to teach the same basic message which was
taught by previous prophets from God - that we must shun every false
god and worship only the One True God. Jesus taught that he is the
servant and messenger of the One True God, the God of Abraham. These
Qur'anic teachings can be compared with the Bible (Mark 10:18; Matthew
26:39; John 14:28, 17:3, and 20:17) where Jesus teaches that the one
he worshipped is the only true God. See also Matthew 12:18; Acts 3:13,
and 4:27 where we find that his disciples knew him as 'Servant of
God'. The Qur'an tells us that some of the Israelites rejected Jesus,
and conspired to kill him, but God rescued Jesus and raised him to
Himself. God will cause Jesus to descend again, at which time Jesus
will confirm his true teachings and everyone will believe in him as he
is and as the Qur'an teaches about him. Jesus is the Messiah. He is a
word from God, and a spirit from Him. He is honored in this world and
in the hereafter, and he is one of those brought nearest to God. Jesus
was a man who spoke the truth which he heard from God. This can be
compared with the Gospel According John where Jesus says to the
Israelites: 'You are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the
truth that I heard from God' (John 8:40).

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 4:09 pm
From: Al Bundy

On Feb 23, 1:28 pm, dawa-dawa <regallpeo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Prophet Muhammad the last Messenger in the Bible
>

We can only hope it would be the last message posted as well. Trouble
is the losers never sleep and pasting is so much easier than thinking.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 11:06 am
From: bob@coolgroups.com

On Feb 17, 6:49 pm, Shawn Hirn <s...@comcast.net> wrote:
> In article
> <ce82207d-dd07-4b77-8981-4f5a35e06...@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
>
> b...@coolgroups.com wrote:
> > Why can't I buy a package of plastic knives without spoons and forks
> > in it?
>
> I don't know. All the grocery stores in my area sell them.

Have you seen them at Walmart?

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 11:21 am
From: The Real Bev

Too_Many_Tools wrote:

> When it comes to buying something, where do you find the best value?

Garage sales, Costco, Trader Joe's, the 99-Cents-Only store.

--
Cheers,
Bev
------------------------------------------------------
"Give me all your brains or I'll blow your money out!"
--Anonymous Unsuccessful Bank Robber

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 3:31 pm
From: "Dave"

"clams_casino" <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote in message
news:NCTvj.1762$XO4.39@newsfe19.lga...
> Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>
>>When it comes to buying something, where do you find the best value?
>>
>>TMT
>>
>
> eBay

Nawww, that used to be true. Until craigslist. But you can't depend on
craigslist for the best value for everything. -Dave

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 3:52 pm
From: clams_casino

Dave wrote:

>
> "clams_casino" <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote in message
> news:NCTvj.1762$XO4.39@newsfe19.lga...
>
>> Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>>
>>> When it comes to buying something, where do you find the best value?
>>>
>>> TMT
>>>
>>
>> eBay
>
>
> Nawww, that used to be true. Until craigslist. But you can't depend
> on craigslist for the best value for everything. -Dave

Craigslist is good for many items, but having lightweight items mailed
to me can be a lot cheaper than driving after them via Craigslist.

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TOPIC: Point?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/5df4650d61ccba57?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 3:02 pm
From: The BIG N

On Feb 23, 10:05 am, Shawn Hirn <s...@comcast.net> wrote:
> In article <9d8eb$47c027b7$3f1714b0$31...@DIALUPUSA.NET>,
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>
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> "Peters_Potamus" <Peters_Pota...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Troll
> > "Shawn Hirn" <s...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >news:srhi-7EDF69.08190923022008@newsgroups.comcast.net...
> > > In article <rXJvj.8328$0M3.1...@newsfe17.lga>,
> > > "Dave Beorn" <NoteToDa...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Post's to the world his justification for trolling:
>
> > > I am an optimist and stubborn as all get out. I am also extremely
> > > tenacious. I also find it amusing that some people actually defend the
> > > habit of smoking. Engaging in dialogue here serves two purposes for me.
> > > First, to try (albeit with unlikely success) to convince people that
> > > smoking is an unwelcome habit in the public arena and that smoking is
> > > dangerous to one's health. Second, for the entertainment value. Its dirt
> > > cheap entertainment; far better than watching some lame brained
> > > television show. If I can convince at least one person to at least stop
> > > smoking in public, then my effort is well rewarded, but even if none
> > > heeds my words, I still derive a good deal of entertainment value here.
>
> > See so-so,
> > It remind's me of the skit where Kevin Nealon was the Cane (or) and
> > E.Estivez was caned in Hong Kong for spray painting cars.
>
> > 3 strokes of the cane were given to him for the crime.
>
> > Just as usenet rules were meant to be broken by Shame Him's
> > type so are the smoking laws.
>
> Equating Usenet rules with statutory law is ludicrous. Not even the so
> called smokers on alt.smokers use the group for its intended purpose.
>
> > So HeeYee yee yee yeeee ~YAaaaaaaaaaaah
> > Shame Hims is blasted back to the land of cheapskates
> > misc.consumers.frugal-living for those who want to follow.
> > Poor reaon's for trolling !
> > Tell us about all the other group's too!
> > Each one. Let's see if you can type it all today.
>
> Why? Feel free to look yourself.

Who has all that time to waste looking up your thousands and thousands
(and thousands) of mindless net-monkey droppings. That's your useless
endeavor, nit-wit, not ours. If what you say here is any indication of
your 40,000 other troll-droppings then one might rather choose the
less painful alternative of piercing his eyeballs with white-hot
needles. Silly ass.

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