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* Portugal - 3 messages, 3 authors
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* Where Do You Shop For The BEST Value? - 6 messages, 4 authors
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* Calendar downloads? - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* MAKE MONEY !!!! - 1 messages, 1 author
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* HD-TV converter box rip-off .... - 2 messages, 2 authors
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TOPIC: Portugal
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 4:57 pm
From: "phishstory@gmail.com"
Portugal is such an amazing place to vacation. One of the most
beautiful places I have been. If anyone is interested, here is a great
website with a lot of information.
http://www.portuguesetravel.blogspot.com
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 8:57 pm
From: "Bob F"
<phishstory@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:48091c75-4f57-417e-b8e5-2de2ac6bcb83@u72g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> Portugal is such an amazing place to vacation. One of the most
> beautiful places I have been. If anyone is interested, here is a great
> website with a lot of information.
A friend went there and said the food was terrible.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 8:59 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote
> <phishstory@gmail.com> wrote
>> Portugal is such an amazing place to vacation. One of the most beautiful places I have been. If anyone is interested,
>> here is a great website with a lot of information.
> A friend went there and said the food was terrible.
And the place is infested with wogs and tourists too.
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TOPIC: Where Do You Shop For The BEST Value?
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 5:32 pm
From: "Dave"
>
>
> Craigslist is good for many items, but having lightweight items mailed to
> me can be a lot cheaper than driving after them via Craigslist.
Yeah, ebay is good for certain cell phone accessories. Other than that,
craigslist wipes the floor with ebay. Ebay is for all intents and purposes
dead. -Dave
== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 5:52 pm
From: Anthony Matonak
Dave wrote:
>> Craigslist is good for many items, but having lightweight items mailed
>> to me can be a lot cheaper than driving after them via Craigslist.
>
> Yeah, ebay is good for certain cell phone accessories. Other than that,
> craigslist wipes the floor with ebay. Ebay is for all intents and
> purposes dead.
I guess this is why ebay is having so much trouble getting people to
use their services and why their books overflow in red ink. :)
Anthony
== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 6:18 pm
From: clams_casino
Dave wrote:
>
>
>>
>>
>> Craigslist is good for many items, but having lightweight items
>> mailed to me can be a lot cheaper than driving after them via
>> Craigslist.
>
>
> Yeah, ebay is good for certain cell phone accessories. Other than
> that, craigslist wipes the floor with ebay. Ebay is for all intents
> and purposes dead. -Dave
Comparing eBay and Craigslist is like comparing McDonalds to Gas
stations. Few items overlap.
One would be nuts to buy (and pickup) books, CDs, videos, etc off
Craigslist. Similarly, one would generally be nuts to buy (and have
sent) furniture, machinery, electronics, etc off eBay.
== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 7:29 pm
From: "Dave"
>>
>> Yeah, ebay is good for certain cell phone accessories. Other than that,
>> craigslist wipes the floor with ebay. Ebay is for all intents and
>> purposes dead.
>
> I guess this is why ebay is having so much trouble getting people to
> use their services and why their books overflow in red ink. :)
>
> Anthony
Well when there is a better service that is FREE, the inevitable is that the
paid service will fail. -Dave
== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 7:35 pm
From: "Dave"
> Comparing eBay and Craigslist is like comparing McDonalds to Gas
> stations.
WELL, since you brought it up... The food quality, food selection, service
and cleanliness are all about equal. Fair comparison, I would say...
> Few items overlap.
Must depend on where you live, I guess. I can find just about anything on
craigslist that I would think to search for on ebay.
>
> One would be nuts to buy (and pickup) books, CDs, videos, etc off
> Craigslist.
Odd comment. Are you saying craigslist users are nuts? Hundreds of
millions of users can't all be wrong.
> Similarly, one would generally be nuts to buy (and have sent) furniture,
> machinery, electronics, etc off eBay.
Yet it happens every day. Go figure.
Bottom line, craigslist and ebay perform the same function. That is,
connecting buyers with sellers. One is a paid service, one is free. The
free one is better. Not because it is free, either. -Dave
== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 7:39 pm
From: George Grapman
clams_casino wrote:
> Dave wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Craigslist is good for many items, but having lightweight items
>>> mailed to me can be a lot cheaper than driving after them via
>>> Craigslist.
>>
>>
>> Yeah, ebay is good for certain cell phone accessories. Other than
>> that, craigslist wipes the floor with ebay. Ebay is for all intents
>> and purposes dead. -Dave
>
>
> Comparing eBay and Craigslist is like comparing McDonalds to Gas
> stations. Few items overlap.
>
> One would be nuts to buy (and pickup) books, CDs, videos, etc off
> Craigslist. Similarly, one would generally be nuts to buy (and have
> sent) furniture, machinery, electronics, etc off eBay.
On the other hand craigslist is great for getting rid of stuff. The
last time I moved I wanted to get of some furniture. 30 minutes after I
posted the offer I was on the phone making arrangements.
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TOPIC: Calendar downloads?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 6:10 pm
From: pc
Tony Sivori wrote:
> pc wrote:
>> I'm working in Linux now,
>
> Hey, me too.
>
>> on this computer, and I'm a total n00b. I
>
> I've been at it four or five years now.
>
>> suppose I could fire up the MS computer and look into the word
>> processing part. But, with searches..I didn't find much on the web that
>> would fit my needs no matter what operating system I use.
>>
>> It just galls me that Day Runner type inserts are so expensive.
>>
>> I had hoped with my new eeepc, I would have been able to use the
>> Thunderbird calendar extension. This is almost like using a PDA, like
>> someone else suggested. But, it's not quite sufficient for me.
>>
>> So, if anybody has any further ideas I'm all ears.
>
>
> Not what you're looking for, since there is no space to write, but you may
> not have seen this: open a shell / console, type "cal" (no quotes) and
> press enter. For a calendar of any year, type "cal" followed by the
> desired year. Example: cal 2008.
>
> [user@**** user]$ cal 2008
> 2008
>
> January February March
> Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa
> 1 2 3 4 5 1 2 1
> 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
> 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 9 10 11 12 13 14 15
> 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 16 17 18 19 20 21 22
> 27 28 29 30 31 24 25 26 27 28 29 23 24 25 26 27 28 29
> 30 31
> April May June
> Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa
> 1 2 3 4 5 1 2 3 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
> 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 8 9 10 11 12 13 14
> 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 15 16 17 18 19 20 21
> 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 22 23 24 25 26 27 28
> 27 28 29 30 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 29 30
>
> July August September
> Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa
> 1 2 3 4 5 1 2 1 2 3 4 5 6
> 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 7 8 9 10 11 12 13
> 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
> 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 21 22 23 24 25 26 27
> 27 28 29 30 31 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 28 29 30
> 31
> October November December
> Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa
> 1 2 3 4 1 1 2 3 4 5 6
> 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 7 8 9 10 11 12 13
> 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
> 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 21 22 23 24 25 26 27
> 26 27 28 29 30 31 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 28 29 30 31
> 30
>
>
> The above calendar may be badly mangled by the line wrap.
>
> Keep in mind the with the Linux command line, you can easily cut, copy,
> paste and print.
>
> Moving on to suggestions that may actually suit your needs, Google has a
> calendar application:
>
> www.google.com/calendar
>
> Have you tried KOrganizer? It is already installed with the distro I'm
> using, under Time Management in the system menu.
>
> http://kontact.kde.org/korganizer/
>
> How to make a custom calendar with Open Office (looks rather time
> consuming to me):
>
> http://www.linux.com/feature/122265
>
> If none of the above suits you, it shouldn't take too long to find
> something that suits your needs here:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/ytfzq2
>
> Just look for a web page based application that lets you print. I did that
> a couple of years ago when I needed a calendar with Julian dates.
>
>
WOW Tony!
Thanks for all the info!
I do use the calendar in Thunderbird now. That was easy pie because
I've used Thunderbird w/MS for years.
Korganizer is not included with my Xandros distro. Though I've heard
people like it.
I will archive your recommendations for later .. when I have time to
really research my options.
In the meantime, I went out and purchased vastly overpriced monthly and
daily refills for my daytimer. My company will reimburse me. But, it
still galls me.
My EEEPC is small enough to use for almost everything. And I could do
my calendar and notes right on it in Thunderbird. But, I'm not ready to
give up paper. And a PDA, as some suggested, is as expensive as my
EEEPC, but with limited capabilities.
So, when I feel more comfortable with Linux, I will play around with the
things you told me about. I'll let you [and eeeuser.com group] know
about my findings.
Thanks again..
..PC
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 7:17 pm
From: susanrussi@mac.com
On Feb 10, 1:07 pm, pc <p...@somewhere.com> wrote:
> Hi group ..
>
> I am looking for free calendars that I can download. I am looking for
> things similar to the Dayminder, Dayrunner options.
>
> I went to a couple of stores recently and they all wanted a minimum of
> 15 dollars. This seems outrageous to me. Especially because none of
> them were exactly what I wanted.
>
> Surely, there's got to be a source online for calendar printouts that
> fit a variety of planner cases/holders!
>
> Any ideas would be greatly appreciated!
>
> ..PC
I love this website: www.diyplanner.com
Tons of fantastic, simply elegant daytimer pages you can download and
print for free, all different sizes....also great tips....Check out
all the topics to the left side of the page....I spent about 3 hours
one night just searching and printing a bunch of templates. Then made
copies and filed extras for future use....Happy time management!
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 9:40 pm
From: gudrun81@hotmail.com
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then after you have sent your $1.00 to each person on the list , you
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investment and some posting ,
PLEASE REMEMBER THIS PROGRAMME REMAINS SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE OF THE
HONESTY OF THE PARTICIPANTS !!!
GOOD LUCK TO ALL !!!!!!!!!
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TOPIC: HD-TV converter box rip-off ....
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 9:54 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools
On Feb 23, 1:08 pm, Tim May <timc...@removethis.got.net> wrote:
> In article
> <05731ee7-3ec9-477c-8500-4fe032058...@q33g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
> sarge137 <rbooth9...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Feb 23, 8:23 am, EskWI...@spamblock.panix.com wrote:
> > > In misc.survivalism sarge137 <rbooth9...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > You're right. Off the top of my head, I can't cite where I read that
> > > > digital signals can't be amplified;
>
> > > Google "amplify digital signal"
>
> > Got it - I know how to use Google. In fact my collegues say that if I
> > can't find it, it ain't out there.
>
> > I didn't find it on the web. I read in a periodical, or a book -
> > likely one the "for Dummies" series. But, Rod's a wingnut and I'm not
> > going to any trouble to prove anything to him. He'd either deny it's
> > there, or find some reason to dismiss it anyway.
>
> I don't know who you and Rod are, but digital signals can OF COURSE be
> amplified. The digital signals transmitted by remote spacecraft are of
> course amplified in various sophisticated ways. Even fiber optic lines
> often have repeaters, which are essentially "detect, regenerate"
> amplifiers of digital (high, low, 1, 0, etc.) signals.
>
> The very LNB/amplifier in a satellite dish is an amplifier/detector of
> a "digital signal" (though until the signal is "decided on" in terms of
> 1s and 0s, it's basically analog, which is why bigger dishes give a
> better signal, and are basically "amplifying" the signal via focussing
> the raw RF onto an element which further processes it).
>
> As for Google, I found numerous discussions in a few seconds' worth of
> searching. I won't even bother to clip-n-paste various URLs here.
>
> As for what you may have read in a "Dummies" book, my speculation is
> that you read something along the lines about how when a signal has
> already been detected/converted/processed and is a clean digital data
> stream, that further "amplificiation" is usually unnecessary. This
> issue often comes up in high-end audio, with various snake oil salesmen
> trying to sell "digital amplifiers" for what are already signals which
> are already clean (meaning, easily distinguishable). (Timing jitter may
> or may not be an issue worth considering, but this is not the same as
> amplification.)
>
> Error correction is also common in digital transmissions, so even some
> incorrectly discriminated bits, or bit flips, can be corrected-way. If
> too many errors occur, not so.
>
> I have both HD via a satellite (DirectTV) and OTA (Terk antenna on my
> roof). Both signals are _usually_ clean, with no break-up or
> "blocking." Sometimes with heavy rain one or both of these feeds may
> break-up into chunks, that is, uncorrectable blocks of signal. (There's
> probably some common term for this, but I don't follow things that
> closely.)
>
> In extreme cases, my receiver or my t.v. (when fed directly from the
> Terk roof antenna) will go blank, a design feature. Sometimes the
> satellite receiver says "Searching for satellite signal."
>
> A bigger satellite antenna might help (not offered by my vendor, but
> physics is physics), a bigger roof antenna might help. An inline
> amplifier between the dish or antenna and receiver might help. Because
> the signals are "at the edge" of proper detection (that is, without too
> many errors), so amplification might help.
>
> A long signal run may need inline amplifiers. As the previous poster
> said, use Google. I would check antenna size first.
>
> (And there are some obvious simple experiments to try before spending
> money on inline amplifiers.)
>
> --Tim May- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Wanna bet that the big problem with the digital changeover will be
with reception problems and not with the actual analog/digital
conversion via converter boxes?
MANY people view analog television using marginal reception of the
signals....
I will wager that we will be seeing broadcasters uping the signal
strengths.
TMT
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 10:26 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Too_Many_Tools <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 23, 1:08 pm, Tim May <timc...@removethis.got.net> wrote:
>> In article
>> <05731ee7-3ec9-477c-8500-4fe032058...@q33g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> sarge137 <rbooth9...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> On Feb 23, 8:23 am, EskWI...@spamblock.panix.com wrote:
>>>> In misc.survivalism sarge137 <rbooth9...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> You're right. Off the top of my head, I can't cite where I read
>>>>> that digital signals can't be amplified;
>>
>>>> Google "amplify digital signal"
>>
>>> Got it - I know how to use Google. In fact my collegues say that if
>>> I can't find it, it ain't out there.
>>
>>> I didn't find it on the web. I read in a periodical, or a book -
>>> likely one the "for Dummies" series. But, Rod's a wingnut and I'm
>>> not going to any trouble to prove anything to him. He'd either deny
>>> it's there, or find some reason to dismiss it anyway.
>>
>> I don't know who you and Rod are, but digital signals can OF COURSE
>> be amplified. The digital signals transmitted by remote spacecraft
>> are of course amplified in various sophisticated ways. Even fiber
>> optic lines often have repeaters, which are essentially "detect,
>> regenerate" amplifiers of digital (high, low, 1, 0, etc.) signals.
>>
>> The very LNB/amplifier in a satellite dish is an amplifier/detector
>> of a "digital signal" (though until the signal is "decided on" in
>> terms of 1s and 0s, it's basically analog, which is why bigger
>> dishes give a better signal, and are basically "amplifying" the
>> signal via focussing the raw RF onto an element which further
>> processes it).
>>
>> As for Google, I found numerous discussions in a few seconds' worth
>> of searching. I won't even bother to clip-n-paste various URLs here.
>>
>> As for what you may have read in a "Dummies" book, my speculation is
>> that you read something along the lines about how when a signal has
>> already been detected/converted/processed and is a clean digital data
>> stream, that further "amplificiation" is usually unnecessary. This
>> issue often comes up in high-end audio, with various snake oil
>> salesmen trying to sell "digital amplifiers" for what are already
>> signals which are already clean (meaning, easily distinguishable).
>> (Timing jitter may or may not be an issue worth considering, but
>> this is not the same as amplification.)
>>
>> Error correction is also common in digital transmissions, so even
>> some incorrectly discriminated bits, or bit flips, can be
>> corrected-way. If too many errors occur, not so.
>>
>> I have both HD via a satellite (DirectTV) and OTA (Terk antenna on my
>> roof). Both signals are _usually_ clean, with no break-up or
>> "blocking." Sometimes with heavy rain one or both of these feeds may
>> break-up into chunks, that is, uncorrectable blocks of signal.
>> (There's probably some common term for this, but I don't follow
>> things that closely.)
>>
>> In extreme cases, my receiver or my t.v. (when fed directly from the
>> Terk roof antenna) will go blank, a design feature. Sometimes the
>> satellite receiver says "Searching for satellite signal."
>>
>> A bigger satellite antenna might help (not offered by my vendor, but
>> physics is physics), a bigger roof antenna might help. An inline
>> amplifier between the dish or antenna and receiver might help.
>> Because the signals are "at the edge" of proper detection (that is,
>> without too many errors), so amplification might help.
>>
>> A long signal run may need inline amplifiers. As the previous poster
>> said, use Google. I would check antenna size first.
>>
>> (And there are some obvious simple experiments to try before spending
>> money on inline amplifiers.)
> Wanna bet that the big problem with the digital changeover will be
> with reception problems and not with the actual analog/digital
> conversion via converter boxes?
>
> MANY people view analog television using marginal reception of the signals....
And many of those find that digital works fine.
> I will wager that we will be seeing broadcasters uping the signal strengths.
Bet they wont.
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