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TOPIC: Is it fraud or thinking ahead?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 11 2008 4:54 pm
From: barbie gee

On Tue, 11 Mar 2008, Seerialmom wrote:

> On Mar 11, 1:48 pm, Al Bundy <MSfort...@mcpmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mar 11, 2:37 pm, Seerialmom <seerial...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Ok...so yesterday someone I know said their family was moving into a
>>> new house (not brand new..but newer than where they are now). When
>>> asked if they had sold their current house or if they were going to
>>> rent it out; this person disclosed that they were still current on the
>>> house payment where they are now....but once they move into the other
>>> house they're buying the old house would eventually go into
>>> foreclosure. Aside from the major "ding" on the credit rating for the
>>> next 7 years....I'm still trying to figure out if this was smart
>>> planning on their part or just outright fraud? At the least maybe
>>> unethical? Just curious if anyone had heard of doing this before?
>>
>> There are some programs where certain lenders are allowing "deed in
>> lieu of foreclosure" as a way to speed up the lengthly process of
>> taking the property and selling it. The person in question may feel
>> they will be accepted for this program. I believe they would need to
>> also lie about their finances to qualify for such a program. I wish
>> them bad luck. My sense is the mortgage company will come after them
>> for the deficiency.
>
> Believe me...I was pretty shocked that they had this plan at all.
> Sort of reminds me of the people who rack up credit card charges for
> trips and luxury items...and then go bankrupt. However they did say
> that the lenders wouldn't even talk to them about refinancing because
> the value was lower than what they owe..and because they were
> "current" on the payments, so the old house is stuck with an ARM that
> keeps adjusting.

so why the hell don't they just rent the 2nd place out?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 11 2008 8:13 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

barbie gee <barbie.gee@NOSESPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Mar 2008, Seerialmom wrote:
>
>> On Mar 11, 1:48 pm, Al Bundy <MSfort...@mcpmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Mar 11, 2:37 pm, Seerialmom <seerial...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ok...so yesterday someone I know said their family was moving into
>>>> a new house (not brand new..but newer than where they are now).
>>>> When asked if they had sold their current house or if they were
>>>> going to rent it out; this person disclosed that they were still
>>>> current on the house payment where they are now....but once they
>>>> move into the other house they're buying the old house would
>>>> eventually go into foreclosure. Aside from the major "ding" on the
>>>> credit rating for the next 7 years....I'm still trying to figure
>>>> out if this was smart planning on their part or just outright
>>>> fraud? At the least maybe unethical? Just curious if anyone had
>>>> heard of doing this before?
>>>
>>> There are some programs where certain lenders are allowing "deed in
>>> lieu of foreclosure" as a way to speed up the lengthly process of
>>> taking the property and selling it. The person in question may feel
>>> they will be accepted for this program. I believe they would need to
>>> also lie about their finances to qualify for such a program. I wish
>>> them bad luck. My sense is the mortgage company will come after them
>>> for the deficiency.
>>
>> Believe me...I was pretty shocked that they had this plan at all.
>> Sort of reminds me of the people who rack up credit card charges for
>> trips and luxury items...and then go bankrupt. However they did say
>> that the lenders wouldn't even talk to them about refinancing because
>> the value was lower than what they owe..and because they were
>> "current" on the payments, so the old house is stuck with an ARM that
>> keeps adjusting.
>
> so why the hell don't they just rent the 2nd place out?

Because that is unlikely to cover the mortgage payments with an ARM.

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TOPIC: Is Buying A Hybrid Really Smart??
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/fbeb9906bdd8972d?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 11 2008 5:14 pm
From: "Lou"

"TKM" <noname@no.net> wrote in message
news:WClBj.297039$MJ6.213849@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
(snipped)
> Discussions about payback don't make any sense to me. No car has a
payback.

The payback discussion makes sense in the following way -

You can buy a Honda Civic that is not a hybrid, or you can buy a Honda Civic
that is a hybrid. The hybrid version costs more to buy than the non hybrid
version, but gets better mileage and so uses less gas. The non hybrid
version costs less to buy than the hybrid version, but uses more gas.

So it becomes a question of do you want jam today or jam sometime in the
future. How long will it take for the total cost of owning and operating
the hybrid version to be less than the total cost of owning and operating
the non hybrid version. That period is the payback period, the amount of
time it takes before you begin to realize a return on the money invested in
the hybrid version that's over and above what it would have cost to buy the
non hybrid version.

That period is going to be different for every car and for every driver, but
overall there will be some average figure. Right now it looks to be
somewhere around six years. If the price of gas continues to climb, that
time will get shorter. If the current price of gas is at least partly a
"bubble" phenomenon (like the late housing bubble or the stock bubble before
that) then once the bubble bursts, that time will get longer.

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 11 2008 5:35 pm
From: "Lou"

"barbie gee" <barbie.gee@NOSESPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0803110955080.13200@sghcrg.sghcrg.pbz...
>
>
> On Tue, 11 Mar 2008, Shawn Hirn wrote:
>
> > In article <Pine.LNX.4.64.0803102135390.30900@sghcrg.sghcrg.pbz>,
> > barbie gee <barbie.gee@NOSESPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008, Seerialmom wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Mar 10, 12:49 pm, James <j0069b...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> Do you save anything on long trips? I understand the savings is in
> >>>> city stop & go traffic and not on the highway crusing at 65.
> >>>
> >>> That's my understanding about the hybrids as well. And since the
> >>> majority of my driving is "highway"; it doesn't make sense. However,
> >>> it'd be fine with rush hour gridlock, right?
> >>
> >> Depends on the car, the driver, and the traffic.
> >> (2005 Prius)
> >> I get best mileage at 55-65mph on the highway, good mileage on the
highway
> >> in slow but moving traffic, and crappy mpg when driving on arterial
> >> streets with lots of stop lights where you cannot avoid full stops and
> >> starts every half mile. (think Chicago.)
> >
> > Right. As a recent Prius owner, (about 7 weeks), I am learning this
> > first hand. I also see that the fuel economy goes up when I don't use
> > the climate control. The Prius' heater really consumes a lot of energy.
> >
>
> welcome to the family, Shawn!
>
> As you do more research, you'll find lots of little tweaks and tricks to
> optimize mileage;
> use higher psi in the tires (I do 40 front, 38 rear, although some do
> 42/40), coast a lot (unfortunately other drivers seem to hate it, even if
> you're coasting to a RED light. people stupid.), learn to "feather" and so
> on...
>
> I'll never understand the folks with that "it'll never pay for itself"
> argument. Does the "premium" they pay for fancy rims, booming sound
> systems or some other fancy feature "pay for itself"? Why can't they
> understand that for us, a hybrid engine is the fancy feature we are
> willing to pay extra for?

I know this stuff gets pushed a lot in the ads - you see them on TV all the
time. But do most people really buy this stuff? I never have - when/if a
dealer says a car will cost x dollars more because of one of these features,
my reply is always take it off (I don't need/want fancy rims), take it out
(I don't really care if there's a radio at all, let alone a 6 disc changer
and etc.), or show me a different car (moon roofs reduce head clearance).

On the other hand, I will admit I've paid extra for a convertible once or
twice in my life.

But somehow, I don't see the hybrid thing quite the same way. The
manufacturers have devoted substantial effort toward making driving a hybrid
the same as driving any other car, and they seem to have been pretty
successful. I've test driven the Prius and hybrid Civic, and the hybrid
feature seems to make less difference to the driving experience than turning
the radio off or on. The less tangible the difference, the more likely it
becomes to ask if the difference in price is worth it.

The heater thing surprises me - in most cars, the heater just directs waste
heat to the passenger compartment, heat that would otherwise be dumped to
the outside air via the radiator and tailpipe. I can see that it could make
a difference in stop and go driving, because the engine might be running to
supply heat at times when it would otherwise be off, but on the highway when
it's running anyway? Could it be that you're using the heat on cold days
(duh) and cars generally get poorer mileage when it's cold than they do when
it's warm?

The driving tricks (coasting to a red light, etc.) work with all cars, not
just hybrids.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 11 2008 5:45 pm
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <Pine.LNX.4.64.0803110955080.13200@sghcrg.sghcrg.pbz>,
barbie gee <barbie.gee@NOSESPAMgmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 11 Mar 2008, Shawn Hirn wrote:
>
> > In article <Pine.LNX.4.64.0803102135390.30900@sghcrg.sghcrg.pbz>,
> > barbie gee <barbie.gee@NOSESPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008, Seerialmom wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Mar 10, 12:49?pm, James <j0069b...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> Do you save anything on long trips? ?I understand the savings is in
> >>>> city stop & go traffic and not on the highway crusing at 65.
> >>>
> >>> That's my understanding about the hybrids as well. And since the
> >>> majority of my driving is "highway"; it doesn't make sense. However,
> >>> it'd be fine with rush hour gridlock, right?
> >>
> >> Depends on the car, the driver, and the traffic.
> >> (2005 Prius)
> >> I get best mileage at 55-65mph on the highway, good mileage on the highway
> >> in slow but moving traffic, and crappy mpg when driving on arterial
> >> streets with lots of stop lights where you cannot avoid full stops and
> >> starts every half mile. (think Chicago.)
> >
> > Right. As a recent Prius owner, (about 7 weeks), I am learning this
> > first hand. I also see that the fuel economy goes up when I don't use
> > the climate control. The Prius' heater really consumes a lot of energy.
> >
>
> welcome to the family, Shawn!
>
> As you do more research, you'll find lots of little tweaks and tricks to
> optimize mileage;
> use higher psi in the tires (I do 40 front, 38 rear, although some do
> 42/40), coast a lot (unfortunately other drivers seem to hate it, even if
> you're coasting to a RED light. people stupid.), learn to "feather" and so
> on...
>
> I'll never understand the folks with that "it'll never pay for itself"
> argument. Does the "premium" they pay for fancy rims, booming sound
> systems or some other fancy feature "pay for itself"? Why can't they
> understand that for us, a hybrid engine is the fancy feature we are
> willing to pay extra for?

I just filled up my Prius this morning. According to my Excel
spreadsheet and my car's energy monitor, I got 48 MPG on the tank of gas
I just replaced. I am a happy camper! I have also not had many people at
all question my judgement about buying a Prius. The few that have chosen
to debate the choice I made lose the debate when I point out that my car
will likely last me 12 years and at the end of those 12 years, we'll all
be paying at least $6 / gallon if current trends continue.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 11 2008 5:48 pm
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <IMydnW0PHq9wuUranZ2dnUVZ_jmdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Lou" <lpogodajr292185@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> I know this stuff gets pushed a lot in the ads - you see them on TV all the
> time. But do most people really buy this stuff? I never have - when/if a
> dealer says a car will cost x dollars more because of one of these features,
> my reply is always take it off (I don't need/want fancy rims), take it out
> (I don't really care if there's a radio at all, let alone a 6 disc changer
> and etc.), or show me a different car (moon roofs reduce head clearance).

I know quite a few people who feel they must drive a fully loaded car.

> But somehow, I don't see the hybrid thing quite the same way. The
> manufacturers have devoted substantial effort toward making driving a hybrid
> the same as driving any other car, and they seem to have been pretty
> successful. I've test driven the Prius and hybrid Civic, and the hybrid
> feature seems to make less difference to the driving experience than turning
> the radio off or on. The less tangible the difference, the more likely it
> becomes to ask if the difference in price is worth it.
>
> The heater thing surprises me - in most cars, the heater just directs waste
> heat to the passenger compartment, heat that would otherwise be dumped to
> the outside air via the radiator and tailpipe. I can see that it could make
> a difference in stop and go driving, because the engine might be running to
> supply heat at times when it would otherwise be off, but on the highway when
> it's running anyway? Could it be that you're using the heat on cold days
> (duh) and cars generally get poorer mileage when it's cold than they do when
> it's warm?
>
> The driving tricks (coasting to a red light, etc.) work with all cars, not
> just hybrids.

True; however, the benefit to added fuel economy is more pronounced in a
hybrid. The big difference as far as driving my Prius vs. my previous
car is fewer trips to the gas station and some savings on gas. When gas
hits $4.50 / gallon, the cost savings in gas will be more dramatic.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 11 2008 5:59 pm
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <47d6bb36$0$17339$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
Anthony Matonak <anthonym40@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote:

> Shawn Hirn wrote:
> ...
> > Even so, the Prius does not get its energy entirely from gas. You are
> > simply wrong on that statement. A good deal of the battery recharging on
> > a Prius comes from what Toyota calls "regenerative braking" which takes
> > kinetic energy that would have been wasted from the brakes and uses it
> > to recharge the battery. Its quite ingenious.
>
> Just to be technical, the kinetic energy from the moving car was
> provided by the gas engine. This means that all the energy came
> from gas to start with.

Not quite. Perhaps you are right for a flat road. Gravity helps for a
road that slopes downward when a Prius is being driven down the road.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 11 2008 6:46 pm
From: barbie gee

On Tue, 11 Mar 2008, Lou wrote:

> The heater thing surprises me - in most cars, the heater just directs waste
> heat to the passenger compartment, heat that would otherwise be dumped to
> the outside air via the radiator and tailpipe. I can see that it could make
> a difference in stop and go driving, because the engine might be running to
> supply heat at times when it would otherwise be off, but on the highway when
> it's running anyway? Could it be that you're using the heat on cold days
> (duh) and cars generally get poorer mileage when it's cold than they do when
> it's warm?
>
> The driving tricks (coasting to a red light, etc.) work with all cars, not
> just hybrids.

the Prius uses and stores heat for itself first. It is biased towards
warming the engine, not the human, because a warm engine runs optimally..
Or at least that's the way I understand it. there's even some kind of
thermos in the engine compartment that stores heat (must be the
antifreeze?).

Oddly, most people here refuse to use any of the driving tricks. I see
the standards; jack rabbit starts, speeding to a stoplight and jamming on
the brakes, underinflated tires to the point of almost being flat, and so
on.

Today; Gasoline at my local station; $3.599/gallon.

I found one place w/ $3.489/Gal. and bought enough to get me to work for
the rest of the week, and then out of town, where I'll be paying at least
20 cents less per gallon... (taxes drive our gasoline prices up in this
county)

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TOPIC: Using laptop as full time "desktop"?
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 11 2008 5:55 pm
From: "Lou"

<me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> My computer usage is such that I really do not NEED a
> laptop.
>
> I don't travel for work..... and even tho I'm a student
> find that dragging a full size laptop to school to be a
> burden and unnecessary as campus has many desktops
> setting around to use anyway.
>
> Having said that... I can still see value in having
> laptop to move from room to room..... take on car
> trips.... easy to resale on used market via mail order,
> etc.
>
> Some questions abt using a laptop in full time desktop
> mode tho:

I've had a laptop (supplied by the company) for the last few years, and
here's what I've done:

> 1. Can a laptop run on 110 vac without battery being
> in unit? It's best not to "cook" the battery all day
> long if the laptop is plugged in and used as a desktop
> anyway, is it?

Never ran it without the battery in it. The thing would be plugged in all
day at the office, sometimes all weekend at home, never had any hint of a
problem. Couple of times, when the power "blinked" the battery acted as an
UPS and I didn't lose any work. Leave the battery in.

> 2. Is it Ok to leave a laptop plugged into 110 vac and
> without battery ON all day long? Say you leave the
> house for a few hrs..... just leave it on...... will
> that be hard on the internals and cooling fan? not
> being designed for that?

See above - never had any problem.

> 3. When shutting the laptop down at the end of the
> day..... anyway to stop the phantom current flow form
> the power brick being plugged into the wall versus just
> unplugging it (hassle)?

You find pulling a plug a hassle? No wonder you don't want to carry a
laptop around. But the thing shouldn't be plugged into a wall anyway - you
should have a power strip thing that will protect the machine from surges.
Can you exert yourself enough to press a button or rocker switch twice a
day, once to turn it on, once to turn it off?

> Bottom line.... what habits are worthwhile to use a
> laptop as a desktop" all day long without causing any
> damage? and make it convenient as a desktop?

It's a computer. The biggest conveniences of the typical desktop machine
are the large monitor, full size keyboard, and mouse. You can still use
these with a laptop, but if you're reluctant to go to the trouble of pulling
a plug, I'd suggest getting a docking station. The biggest convenience of a
laptop is the portability, there's no way a desktop can compare. With
either machine, I wouldn't count much on resale - a machine a year or two
old is out of date and a good deal (most?) of it's value has vanished.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 11 2008 6:00 pm
From: "Lou"

<me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> "rick++" <rick303@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Another issue is ergnomoic.
> >Some people have neck problems and arm numbness
> >from looking down all the time.
> >Some laptops have video ports to drive regular monitors
> >when you are at a desk.
>
> I have the above problem as well but was thinking I
> could use a laptop "stand" to alleviate that. see link
>
>
http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/productDetail.do?oid=189502&WT.mc_n=4&WT.mc_t=U&cm_ven=COMPARISON%20SHOPPING&cm_cat=GOOGLE&cm_pla=DATAFEED->PRODUCTS&cm_ite=1%20PRODUCT&cm_keycode=4

I've tried various stands in the past (though not the one you've linked
above). They don't work, for me anyway. That is, the hold the machine as
advertised, but the overall ergonomics aren't any better, may be worse. How
often do you type with your hands at chin level, or on an extremely tilted
keyboard?

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 11 2008 8:14 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Lou <lpogodajr292185@comcast.net> wrote:
> <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:drndt3t02a1rhlng60tlnd6l7iarqov8gv@4ax.com...
>> "rick++" <rick303@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Another issue is ergnomoic.
>>> Some people have neck problems and arm numbness
>>> from looking down all the time.
>>> Some laptops have video ports to drive regular monitors
>>> when you are at a desk.
>>
>> I have the above problem as well but was thinking I
>> could use a laptop "stand" to alleviate that. see link
>>
>>
> http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/productDetail.do?oid=189502&WT.mc_n=4&WT.mc_t=U&cm_ven=COMPARISON%20SHOPPING&cm_cat=GOOGLE&cm_pla=DATAFEED->PRODUCTS&cm_ite=1%20PRODUCT&cm_keycode=4
>
> I've tried various stands in the past (though not the one you've
> linked above). They don't work, for me anyway. That is, the hold
> the machine as advertised, but the overall ergonomics aren't any
> better, may be worse. How often do you type with your hands at chin
> level, or on an extremely tilted keyboard?

Those who use them mostly use a proper keyboard as well.

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TOPIC: Replica Nike, Fake Nike Watches
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/095dec21952c1eb9?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 11 2008 6:22 pm
From: sales004@aaa-replica-watch.com

Replica Nike, Fake Nike Watches

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TOPIC: Portugal
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/3f46321c0acebe84?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 11 2008 7:11 pm
From: "phishstory@gmail.com"

Anyone interested in a really beautiful place to vacation, should
check out Portugal. I think it is often overlooked by travelers, which
is actually a good thing. Here is a good website for anyone
interested.

http://www.seeportugal.org

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TOPIC: Converter boxes for new HDTV sets -- which is the best one?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/5343327e579a1c1b?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 11 2008 9:31 pm
From: "Tockk"

Neither of them have anything labeled S-video. But that's fine by me . . .
Composite video will be fine by me.

One question, though. I noticed that one of the units has a remote
control. Does this mean that if I don't get a unit with a remote control,
then the remote control that I have right now won't change any channels --
that I'll have to get up out of my easy chair to flip from PBS to CBS?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 11 2008 10:57 pm
From: no-spam@sonic.net (Fake ID)

In article <J0JBj.16203$xq2.11017@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net>,
Tockk <tock1@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>One question, though. I noticed that one of the units has a remote
>control. Does this mean that if I don't get a unit with a remote control,
>then the remote control that I have right now won't change any channels --
>that I'll have to get up out of my easy chair to flip from PBS to CBS?

IIRC, all coupon eligible converter boxes will have a remote. If you're
lucky, the box's remote will also control the TV because all its remote
will be good for is power and volume. All channel changing will be done
on the converter box, which may not have buttons on the box itself so
getting out of your easy chair will be futile.

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