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TOPIC: Removing non-stick coating to salvage a pan?
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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 4 2008 1:54 pm
From: aem
On Mar 4, 7:21 am, Doc <docsavag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> [snip]
> I don't like the idea of simply throwing it out and dumping more money
> into a non-coated wok. [snip]
Use the former wok for some non-food-related purpose. Here's a wok
that will perform well for years, at a cost of $11.50.
https://www.surfasonline.com/products/18121.cfm
== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 4 2008 2:01 pm
From: Oren
On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 21:27:37 GMT, PaPaPeng <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> wrote:
>I am amazed so many white folks use the wok.
Some even speak three languages: English, Redneck and Profanity.
So! WOK off!
== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 4 2008 2:04 pm
From: "Bob F"
"HeyBub" <heybub@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:13sqsu7oben1n88@corp.supernews.com...
> Robert Allison wrote:
>>
>> The problem is that the metal is very prone to rusting, so I have
>> to oil it after every cleaning, and temper it like a cast iron
>> pan. Since I mostly use it on a fish fryer grill (although I
>> will use it on the stove), it has held up pretty well. It ain't
>> pretty by any means, but useful.
>
> How are you "cleaning" it? Wiping it out with a paper towel should be
> sufficient. Do not ever subject an iron utensil (or maybe your skillet) to
> water.
Water is not the problem, as long as you dry it after rinsing. I set it on the
still hot burner after rinsing. I never use soap on my cast iron. I put a little
hot water in it, scrub with a brush, rinse and dry it on the burner. Then I rub
it with a little oil or butter before the next use. Soap will quickly remove the
seasoning.
== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 4 2008 2:37 pm
From: Kenneth
On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 07:21:52 -0800 (PST), Doc
<docsavage20@yahoo.com> wrote:
>I've got this wok from WalMart that's coated with Xylan, which I
>gather is a first cousin of Teflon. Big mistake. It's non-stick
>properties aren't very good.
>
>I don't like the idea of simply throwing it out and dumping more money
>into a non-coated wok. I'm sure I could strip the coating off with one
>of these fibrous abrasive wheels that you bolt onto a hand drill -
>wearing a dust mask of course - but is the surface that's exposed
>going to be suitable for cooking? Wondering if there's some pre-
>treating that's done to the metal that might render it toxic if used
>as a cooking surface.
>
>Further, should it be possible to thoroughly remove all the coating
>abrasively like that? Obviously I don't want to leave behind small
>particles since I assume it's toxic.
>
>
>Thanks
Howdy,
The drill approach would probably work, but those coatings
are very soft and there might be an easier approach:
I would just try sanding it off by hand with a few sheets of
wet or dry abrasive paper.
That said, I would have a concern:
You asked if the substrate would be suitable for cooking,
but how would one know?
If, for example, it had lead in it, you might be in some
trouble over time.
Though I certainly understand the desire to make good use
out of something you now own, I, personally, would hesitate
(unless I could figure out a way to be sure that the
material was safe for food contact use.)
All the best,
--
Kenneth
If you email... Please remove the "SPAMLESS."
== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 4 2008 2:49 pm
From: "HeyBub"
Bob F wrote:
>>
>> How are you "cleaning" it? Wiping it out with a paper towel should be
>> sufficient. Do not ever subject an iron utensil (or maybe your
>> skillet) to water.
>
> Water is not the problem, as long as you dry it after rinsing. I set
> it on the still hot burner after rinsing. I never use soap on my cast
> iron. I put a little hot water in it, scrub with a brush, rinse and
> dry it on the burner. Then I rub it with a little oil or butter
> before the next use. Soap will quickly remove the seasoning.
Okay, I'll play. WHY are you washing the thing in the first place?
== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 4 2008 3:00 pm
From: Peter A
In article <XLKdnTzO0dLDWlDanZ2dnUVZ_gudnZ2d@comcast.com>,
bobnospam@gmail.com says...
>
> "HeyBub" <heybub@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:13sqsu7oben1n88@corp.supernews.com...
> > Robert Allison wrote:
> >>
> >> The problem is that the metal is very prone to rusting, so I have
> >> to oil it after every cleaning, and temper it like a cast iron
> >> pan. Since I mostly use it on a fish fryer grill (although I
> >> will use it on the stove), it has held up pretty well. It ain't
> >> pretty by any means, but useful.
> >
> > How are you "cleaning" it? Wiping it out with a paper towel should be
> > sufficient. Do not ever subject an iron utensil (or maybe your skillet) to
> > water.
>
> Water is not the problem, as long as you dry it after rinsing. I set it on the
> still hot burner after rinsing. I never use soap on my cast iron. I put a little
> hot water in it, scrub with a brush, rinse and dry it on the burner. Then I rub
> it with a little oil or butter before the next use. Soap will quickly remove the
> seasoning.
>
>
Soap does not - repeat, DOES NOT - remove seasoning from cast iron when
used properly. So many people get all silly about cleaning cast iron. I
have 2 cast iron pans each about a decade old. They have great
seasoning, and I regularly clean them with a weak detergent solution and
a soft brush. The seasoning is polymerized oil, not subject to
dissolving in mild detergent used for short periods.
Also, using butter to season cast iron is a bad idea. Butter contains
not only oil (butterfat) but milk solids (protein), which you certainly
do not want on the surface of your pan.
--
Peter Aitken
Author, MS Word for Medical and Technical Writers
www.tech-word.com
== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 4 2008 3:13 pm
From: "JoeSpareBedroom"
"HeyBub" <heybub@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:13srkgbdufi2v9f@corp.supernews.com...
> Bob F wrote:
>>>
>>> How are you "cleaning" it? Wiping it out with a paper towel should be
>>> sufficient. Do not ever subject an iron utensil (or maybe your
>>> skillet) to water.
>>
>> Water is not the problem, as long as you dry it after rinsing. I set
>> it on the still hot burner after rinsing. I never use soap on my cast
>> iron. I put a little hot water in it, scrub with a brush, rinse and
>> dry it on the burner. Then I rub it with a little oil or butter
>> before the next use. Soap will quickly remove the seasoning.
>
> Okay, I'll play. WHY are you washing the thing in the first place?
>
Are you asking about washing, or cleaning?
== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 4 2008 3:16 pm
From: PaPaPeng
On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 14:01:05 -0800, Oren <Oren@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 21:27:37 GMT, PaPaPeng <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>I am amazed so many white folks use the wok.
>
>Some even speak three languages: English, Redneck and Profanity.
>
>So! WOK off!
Spoken like a true abused kitchen slave. Wife trouble?
== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 4 2008 4:08 pm
From: Terryc
Doc wrote:
> I don't like the idea of simply throwing it out and dumping more money
> into a non-coated wok
I was going to suggest a blow toch and good ventilation, but sand
blasting or the acid method might be better (safer).
As others said, oil after washing.
However, I've always found that a good wok was simple and economical.
Simple spun steel bowl with rivetted handle are easy to obtain from
"chinese" shops here. Buy different sizes. Do not buy that fancy coated
crap(inside or out) or spot welded handles. you are just paying for image.
However, our best wok is a cast/spun aluminium with handles as part of
the moulding. Unfortunately, SWMBO picked it up during her time in
Malaya, but as we have 5 woks in the place currently, we haven't looked
locally(Australia).
== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 4 2008 5:44 pm
From: Oren
On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 23:16:02 GMT, PaPaPeng <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 14:01:05 -0800, Oren <Oren@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 21:27:37 GMT, PaPaPeng <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I am amazed so many white folks use the wok.
>>
>>Some even speak three languages: English, Redneck and Profanity.
>>
>>So! WOK off!
>
>
>Spoken like a true abused kitchen slave. Wife trouble?
Not when I cook in the yard, declare my turf and so. I'm going to
China town in Las Vegas and get me a wok. Might have the bride drive
me.
Nice try!
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 4 2008 1:59 pm
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com
On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 14:55:42 -0500, clams_casino
<PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
>
>> i can tell you that we spend 100/mon just on dairy & eggs.
>>
>>
>
>Have you noticed the price of eggs lately?
>
>A year ago, we were paying $1.50/dozen at the grocer ($0.99 at
>Walmart). Yesterday I noticed $2.59 for large eggs at the grocer.
DW gets them for $1/doz from a neighbor.
What we have noticed going up in price is fresh produce. We have to
get a garden going this year or we'll be eating only frozen or canned.
Thank goodness we bought a big energy efficent freezer. We've been
much more able to take advantage of sales.
== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 4 2008 2:02 pm
From: clams_casino
AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
>"clams_casino" <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote in message
>news:_Ohzj.7991$XO4.1166@newsfe19.lga...
>
>
>>AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> i can tell you that we spend 100/mon just on dairy & eggs.
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>>Have you noticed the price of eggs lately?
>>
>>A year ago, we were paying $1.50/dozen at the grocer ($0.99 at Walmart).
>>Yesterday I noticed $2.59 for large eggs at the grocer.
>>
>>
>
>2.75/doz for organic free range (not just cage free; they actually get to
>run
>all over outside) from my amish farmer. really orange yolks.
>
>
>
>
That may not last long -
http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/216817 - 2/16/08
"Stores across the country are selling a dozen large Grade A eggs
<http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/15/1/eggs/> at an average of
$1.92 this week.
United States Department of Agriculture figures show that is up from
$1.19 last September, $1.03 in June and just 84 cents in April.
Martin blamed the high egg prices
<http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/15/1/price/> on several
factors, led by the dramatic rise in the price
<http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/15/1/price/> of the corn
<http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/15/1/corn/> and soybeans used
to feed chickens."
== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 4 2008 2:09 pm
From: Al Bundy
OhioGuy wrote:
> I just read an article which stated that the average family of 4 here in
> the USA spends $900 a month on groceries, plus more on eating out at
> restaurants.
>
> I was shocked! Is this true?
>
>
> We have a family of 4, and our grocery budget is only $180 a month. Until
> last month, it was $160 a month, but we had to raise it a bit because many
> food prices have gone up 20 to 30% in the past year.
>
> I know that most folks would consider me frugal, but I had no idea we were
> getting by on 20% of what the average similar sized family was spending.
>
> How much do you spend on groceries a month?
Please give us a clue as to what you are eating for $1.50 per
person. I spend more than your grocery budget just for myself.
== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 4 2008 2:54 pm
From: Dennis
On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 15:59:34 -0600, hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:
>Thank goodness we bought a big energy efficent freezer. We've been
>much more able to take advantage of sales.
Not to mention cutting your use of 'i's by 33%!
;-)
Dennis (evil)
--
"There is a fine line between participation and mockery" - Wally
== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 4 2008 3:19 pm
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"
"clams_casino" <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote in message
news:YFjzj.16722$097.3609@newsfe21.lga...
> That may not last long -
> http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/216817 - 2/16/08
>
> "Stores across the country are selling a dozen large Grade A eggs
> <http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/15/1/eggs/> at an average of
> $1.92 this week.
>
> United States Department of Agriculture figures show that is up from $1.19
> last September, $1.03 in June and just 84 cents in April.
>
> Martin blamed the high egg prices
> <http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/15/1/price/> on several
> factors, led by the dramatic rise in the price
> <http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/15/1/price/> of the corn
> <http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/15/1/corn/> and soybeans used
> to feed chickens."
so, i wonder what chickens in the wild eat. i know they eat grass, weed,
bugs. anything else. seems to me there's no need to feed free range
chickens anything.
>
== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 4 2008 3:19 pm
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"
"Al Bundy" <MSfortune@mcpmail.com> wrote in message
news:45fca763-4f3b-4455-a5e2-6a75f505de7e@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> OhioGuy wrote:
>> I just read an article which stated that the average family of 4 here in
>> the USA spends $900 a month on groceries, plus more on eating out at
>> restaurants.
>>
>> I was shocked! Is this true?
>>
>>
>> We have a family of 4, and our grocery budget is only $180 a month.
>> Until
>> last month, it was $160 a month, but we had to raise it a bit because
>> many
>> food prices have gone up 20 to 30% in the past year.
>>
>> I know that most folks would consider me frugal, but I had no idea we
>> were
>> getting by on 20% of what the average similar sized family was spending.
>>
>> How much do you spend on groceries a month?
>
> Please give us a clue as to what you are eating for $1.50 per
> person. I spend more than your grocery budget just for myself.
no frt or veggies; lots of cheap carbos.
>
== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 4 2008 4:14 pm
From: Terryc
OhioGuy wrote:
> I know that most folks would consider me frugal, but I had no idea we were
> getting by on 20% of what the average similar sized family was spending.
You need to go shopping and look at what the aveage punter puts in their
grocery trolley.
Also be aware of what an "average" grocery buy is considered to be. As
my mum was saying on the weekend, when she was doing a welfare worker
course, she was given zero for a question like "How many packets of
bicsuits could a family on welfare of $???.?? each week afford to buy?"
Apparently zero was the incorrect answer.
OTOH, our major component is fruit and vege from the greengrocer as we
buy very little pre-processed stuff.
== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 4 2008 5:51 pm
From: clams_casino
Al Bundy wrote:
>OhioGuy wrote:
>
>
>>I just read an article which stated that the average family of 4 here in
>>the USA spends $900 a month on groceries, plus more on eating out at
>>restaurants.
>>
>> I was shocked! Is this true?
>>
>>
>> We have a family of 4, and our grocery budget is only $180 a month. Until
>>last month, it was $160 a month, but we had to raise it a bit because many
>>food prices have gone up 20 to 30% in the past year.
>>
>> I know that most folks would consider me frugal, but I had no idea we were
>>getting by on 20% of what the average similar sized family was spending.
>>
>> How much do you spend on groceries a month?
>>
>>
>
>Please give us a clue as to what you are eating for $1.50 per
>person. I spend more than your grocery budget just for myself.
>
>
That might just cover the TP, soap & washing detergent in our home.
$180/mo comes out to 50 cents/person per meal.
I'm not sure I could prepare 240 portions of soup for $180 (2x/day x 4
people) without using a lot of water.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 4 2008 2:53 pm
From: clam.sucker@googlemail.com
On Mar 3, 2:03 pm, osa....@googlemail.com wrote:
> nope... you're completely wrong and far away from reality.
>
> the psychiatrists did it!
we did. we also did 10/02/08 as we will do 15/03/08 as well as
15/04/008.
does the OP want to do something about it or just whine like a little
anti-semitic bitch??
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 4 2008 3:55 pm
From: Terryc
clams_casino wrote:
>
> I'm guessing you enjoy do-it-yourself prostate exams.
To quote the TV scammers, I don't have a weak and interrupted urinal stream.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 4 2008 3:58 pm
From: Terryc
Snowbound wrote:
> Well, you could squint a lot. Think Clint Eastwood.
My thoughts were that if I could source lenses, then I could copy the
prescription. I have my eyes checked almost quarterly. it is just that
from day to day focal lengths change,so rather than spend $1,000+ on a
board of eye glasses to cater, I was wonderig if I could roll my own so
to speak.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 4 2008 5:51 pm
From: The Real Bev
Terryc wrote:
> Snowbound wrote:
>
>> Well, you could squint a lot. Think Clint Eastwood.
>
> My thoughts were that if I could source lenses, then I could copy the
> prescription. I have my eyes checked almost quarterly. it is just that
> from day to day focal lengths change,so rather than spend $1,000+ on a
> board of eye glasses to cater, I was wonderig if I could roll my own so
> to speak.
If your prescription changes that often, I suspect you have bigger
problems than trying to find cheap glasses.
If, OTOH, you just want different focal-length glasses for more-or-less
close work at different distances and are normally hyperopic, various
dollar stores will be able to provide you with a full wardrobe for --
you guessed it -- a buck each.
--
Cheers,
Bev
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 4 2008 5:22 pm
From: Marsha
You were asking about memory foam mattresses a while back, and I replied
that I loved mine, but they do tend to hold body heat. If you haven't
purchased anything yet, my sister was looking for a new set and one of
the salesman told her that, because of this common complaint, some of
the newer memory foam mattresses have small holes drilled through them
to draw heat away from your body. I have no idea if it's true, but you
may want to check that out. I really love my air bed with the memory
foam top and will never go back to springs.
Marsha
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 4 2008 5:55 pm
From: The Real Bev
Marsha wrote:
> You were asking about memory foam mattresses a while back, and I replied
> that I loved mine, but they do tend to hold body heat. If you haven't
> purchased anything yet, my sister was looking for a new set and one of
> the salesman told her that, because of this common complaint, some of
> the newer memory foam mattresses have small holes drilled through them
> to draw heat away from your body. I have no idea if it's true, but you
> may want to check that out. I really love my air bed with the memory
> foam top and will never go back to springs.
Thanks! I haven't bought one yet, but will probably get the one that
comes in a box from Costco. It claims to have a layer of cooler foam on
top.
--
Cheers,
Bev
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