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TOPIC: TV Converter Box Coupon for Sale
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 12:35 pm
From: "T Shadow"

"Jer" <gdunn@airmail.ten> wrote in message
news:13usfq3qnngln8b@corp.supernews.com...
> Bert Hyman wrote:
> > In news:20080328223451.435$Qn@newsreader.com jrudoy@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> >> TV Converter Box Coupon for Sale. Takes $40 off payment for TV
Converter
> >> Box to get digital TV signal on analog/old TV. Valid to 5/27/2008.
$28/bo
> >
> > https://www.dtv2009.gov/FAQ.aspx
> >
> > 11. Can coupons be sold?
> >
> > No. It is illegal to sell, duplicate or tamper with the coupon.
> >
> > Good luck.
> >
>
> What makes you think anyone actually cares what is or isn't legal for
> these coupons?
>
> --

AFAICT the "coupons" are tied to an address, Being like a credit/debit card
they get instant verification as to how many have been sold for that
address.

Risk $28 to save $12? Not even if I couldn't get my own coupons.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 12:32 pm
From: Jer

T Shadow wrote:
> "Jer" <gdunn@airmail.ten> wrote in message
> news:13usfq3qnngln8b@corp.supernews.com...
>> Bert Hyman wrote:
>>> In news:20080328223451.435$Qn@newsreader.com jrudoy@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> TV Converter Box Coupon for Sale. Takes $40 off payment for TV
> Converter
>>>> Box to get digital TV signal on analog/old TV. Valid to 5/27/2008.
> $28/bo
>>> https://www.dtv2009.gov/FAQ.aspx
>>>
>>> 11. Can coupons be sold?
>>>
>>> No. It is illegal to sell, duplicate or tamper with the coupon.
>>>
>>> Good luck.
>>>
>> What makes you think anyone actually cares what is or isn't legal for
>> these coupons?
>>
>> --
>
> AFAICT the "coupons" are tied to an address, Being like a credit/debit card
> they get instant verification as to how many have been sold for that
> address.
>
> Risk $28 to save $12? Not even if I couldn't get my own coupons.
>

And you think a sales droid is gonna give a flip about an address? Like
the FEMA cards? Shee-it. People use other people's cards all the time
- they don't care if the names are different even if they bothered to
look. Plastic? Ka-ching! That's all they care about.

--
jer
email reply - I am not a 'ten'

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 12:37 pm
From: Bill R

jrudoy@yahoo.com wrote:

> TV Converter Box Coupon for Sale. Takes $40 off payment for TV Converter
> Box to get digital TV signal on analog/old TV. Valid to 5/27/2008. $28/bo

The buyer may not be able to use it (and selling them IS illegal). You
are MUCH better off buying a box with the coupon and selling it (that IS
legal).
--
Bill R.

Remove nospam_ and x in e-mail address to reply by e-mail

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 2:35 pm
From: Rick

Jer wrote:
>
> Bert Hyman wrote:
> > In news:20080328223451.435$Qn@newsreader.com jrudoy@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> >> TV Converter Box Coupon for Sale. Takes $40 off payment for TV Converter
> >> Box to get digital TV signal on analog/old TV. Valid to 5/27/2008. $28/bo
> >
> > https://www.dtv2009.gov/FAQ.aspx
> >
> > 11. Can coupons be sold?
> >
> > No. It is illegal to sell, duplicate or tamper with the coupon.
> >
> > Good luck.
> >
>
> What makes you think anyone actually cares what is or isn't legal for
> these coupons?
>
> --
> jer
> email reply - I am not a 'ten'

I care more about what is or isn't stupid about paying money for a
coupon you can get for free.

Rick

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 3:09 pm
From: "T Shadow"

"Jer" <gdunn@airmail.ten> wrote in message
news:13ut69onah38c3@corp.supernews.com...
> T Shadow wrote:
> > "Jer" <gdunn@airmail.ten> wrote in message
> > news:13usfq3qnngln8b@corp.supernews.com...
> >> Bert Hyman wrote:
> >>> In news:20080328223451.435$Qn@newsreader.com jrudoy@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> TV Converter Box Coupon for Sale. Takes $40 off payment for TV
> > Converter
> >>>> Box to get digital TV signal on analog/old TV. Valid to 5/27/2008.
> > $28/bo
> >>> https://www.dtv2009.gov/FAQ.aspx
> >>>
> >>> 11. Can coupons be sold?
> >>>
> >>> No. It is illegal to sell, duplicate or tamper with the coupon.
> >>>
> >>> Good luck.
> >>>
> >> What makes you think anyone actually cares what is or isn't legal for
> >> these coupons?
> >>
> >> --
> >
> > AFAICT the "coupons" are tied to an address, Being like a credit/debit
card
> > they get instant verification as to how many have been sold for that
> > address.
> >
> > Risk $28 to save $12? Not even if I couldn't get my own coupons.
> >
>
>
> And you think a sales droid is gonna give a flip about an address? Like
> the FEMA cards? Shee-it. People use other people's cards all the time
> - they don't care if the names are different even if they bothered to
> look. Plastic? Ka-ching! That's all they care about.
>
> --

I think the card won't work because it's already been used.
Buy all you want.

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TOPIC: Un-insulated water heater tank by woodstove!
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 12:03 pm
From: willshak

on 3/28/2008 11:16 AM Lee K said the following:
> "Bill" <billnomailnospamx@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:654bunF2e2n0aU1@mid.individual.net...
>
>
>> my > hot water heater????
>>
>>
>
> Just curious: why is it that you want to heat hot water?

You know what he meant. Have nothing else to contribute?

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
To email, remove the double zeroes after @

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 12:09 pm
From: willshak

on 3/28/2008 9:59 AM Bill said the following:
> As you may know, an electric water heater can be 30% of your electric
> bill...
>
> Well I got to thinking... I have this nice woodstove which puts out a lot of
> heat and it is always 80 to 100 degrees (F) next to the woodstove.
>
> Is there some way I can use this heat to "pre-heat" the water going into my
> hot water heater????
>
> Well I came up with an idea and tried it out. It works!
>
> I got a used 50 gallon water heater at a recycling center. Then removed the
> sheet metal cover and removed the insulation. So now I had just a bare metal
> 50 gallon tank. I painted it black as in theory black absorbs heat better.
>
> Then I placed this tank next to my woodstove. Then disconnected the cold
> water going to my hot water heater and ran that to the bottom (drain)
> connection on the tank by the woodstove. Then ran a pipe going out the top
> of the tank by the woodstove to the cold water inlet of my electric hot
> water heater. (Cold into the bottom, warm out the top.)
>
> Note: My electric water heater is located on the other side of the wall next
> to my woodstove.
>
> After just a few hours, the water coming out of the top of the tank by the
> wood stove was about 70 degrees. (The water from the city going into the
> tank is 40 degrees F.) At this point the bottom of the tank felt cold and
> the top was not cold.
>
> The next morning, the entire tank was slightly warm.
>
> Anyway I am now "pre-heating" the water going to my hot water heater. So
> instead of my water heater having to heat up 40 degree water, it will only
> need to heat up water which will be from 70-80 degrees. Perhaps warmer if I
> have the woodstove going full blast and have not used any hot water for a
> while. So should save some $$ on my electric bill.
>
> Building code note: Now that I see this idea works, I'm going to install the
> tank next to my woodstove to "code"* like a water heater tank would be. That
> is drip pan, T&P valve, and strapped to wall for earthquakes. *I don't
> suppose code covers anything like this? I also installed a valve and pipe to
> outside for draining the tank.
>
> Temperature and "steam" note: The temperature next to my woodstove never
> gets above 115 degrees F. and water boils at 212 degrees. So no possibility
> of steam being created.
>
>
>
How about a coil of soft copper tubing attached to the rear of the
woodstove before it goes into your storage tank ( a coil like on the
back of a dehumidifer) which would transfer heat by convection rather
than radiation?

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
To email, remove the double zeroes after @

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 12:25 pm
From: Don Bruder

In article <13ut4v5pok38v14@news.supernews.com>,
willshak <willshak@00hvc.rr.com> wrote:

> on 3/28/2008 9:59 AM Bill said the following:
> > As you may know, an electric water heater can be 30% of your electric
> > bill...
> >
> > Well I got to thinking... I have this nice woodstove which puts out a lot
> > of
> > heat and it is always 80 to 100 degrees (F) next to the woodstove.
> >
> > Is there some way I can use this heat to "pre-heat" the water going into my
> > hot water heater????
> >
> > Well I came up with an idea and tried it out. It works!
> >
> > I got a used 50 gallon water heater at a recycling center. Then removed the
> > sheet metal cover and removed the insulation. So now I had just a bare
> > metal
> > 50 gallon tank. I painted it black as in theory black absorbs heat better.
> >
> > Then I placed this tank next to my woodstove. Then disconnected the cold
> > water going to my hot water heater and ran that to the bottom (drain)
> > connection on the tank by the woodstove. Then ran a pipe going out the top
> > of the tank by the woodstove to the cold water inlet of my electric hot
> > water heater. (Cold into the bottom, warm out the top.)
> >
> > Note: My electric water heater is located on the other side of the wall
> > next
> > to my woodstove.
> >
> > After just a few hours, the water coming out of the top of the tank by the
> > wood stove was about 70 degrees. (The water from the city going into the
> > tank is 40 degrees F.) At this point the bottom of the tank felt cold and
> > the top was not cold.
> >
> > The next morning, the entire tank was slightly warm.
> >
> > Anyway I am now "pre-heating" the water going to my hot water heater. So
> > instead of my water heater having to heat up 40 degree water, it will only
> > need to heat up water which will be from 70-80 degrees. Perhaps warmer if I
> > have the woodstove going full blast and have not used any hot water for a
> > while. So should save some $$ on my electric bill.
> >
> > Building code note: Now that I see this idea works, I'm going to install
> > the
> > tank next to my woodstove to "code"* like a water heater tank would be.
> > That
> > is drip pan, T&P valve, and strapped to wall for earthquakes. *I don't
> > suppose code covers anything like this? I also installed a valve and pipe
> > to
> > outside for draining the tank.
> >
> > Temperature and "steam" note: The temperature next to my woodstove never
> > gets above 115 degrees F. and water boils at 212 degrees. So no possibility
> > of steam being created.
> >
> >
> >
> How about a coil of soft copper tubing attached to the rear of the
> woodstove before it goes into your storage tank ( a coil like on the
> back of a dehumidifer) which would transfer heat by convection rather
> than radiation?

Do that and you start running into the potential for steam, which leads
to needing to deal with the related hazards that can come of it being in
an enclosed place... (Can you say boiler license, pressure vessel,
regulator valve, state inspector, and "expensive"? Sure... I knew you
could!)

--
Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net - If your "From:" address isn't on my whitelist,
or the subject of the message doesn't contain the exact text "PopperAndShadow"
somewhere, any message sent to this address will go in the garbage without my
ever knowing it arrived. Sorry... <http://www.sonic.net/~dakidd> for more info

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 1:46 pm
From: Neon John

On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 12:25:54 -0700, Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> wrote:

>> How about a coil of soft copper tubing attached to the rear of the
>> woodstove before it goes into your storage tank ( a coil like on the
>> back of a dehumidifer) which would transfer heat by convection rather
>> than radiation?
>
>Do that and you start running into the potential for steam, which leads
>to needing to deal with the related hazards that can come of it being in
>an enclosed place... (Can you say boiler license, pressure vessel,
>regulator valve, state inspector, and "expensive"? Sure... I knew you
>could!)

Geez, I wonder how all those millions of oil, wood and coal-fired furnace water
heating loops manage to operate without a special grant of privilege from Congress?
Maybe some day some academic will do a study and figure out why Usenet seems to
attract such a concentration of dickhead-isms.

For a simple application like this, a simple water heater P-T relief valve is more
than adequate. As far as the bureaucracies go, there is no involvement until a
certain large firing rate. In Ga it is 1.5 million BTU per unit. TN's is a little
lower - can't recall exactly - but still above 1 million BTU.

John
--
John De Armond
See my website for my current email address
http://www.neon-john.com
http://www.johndearmond.com <-- best little blog on the net!
Tellico Plains, Occupied TN
I'm going crazy. Wanna come along?

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 2:29 pm
From: "Edwin Pawlowski"

"Neon John" <no@never.com> wrote in message
> Geez, I wonder how all those millions of oil, wood and coal-fired furnace
> water
> heating loops manage to operate without a special grant of privilege from
> Congress?
> Maybe some day some academic will do a study and figure out why Usenet
> seems to
> attract such a concentration of dickhead-isms.
>
> For a simple application like this, a simple water heater P-T relief valve
> is more
> than adequate. As far as the bureaucracies go, there is no involvement
> until a
> certain large firing rate. In Ga it is 1.5 million BTU per unit. TN's is
> a little
> lower - can't recall exactly - but still above 1 million BTU.
>
> John

In Mass, it is pressure. Anything with a 15 psi relief valve is OK, no
matter the size. At 15 psi and over you need a different license depending
on size. Up to 299 hp you need a special or a 2nd class fireman, at 300 hp
you need an engineer full time. etc. There is an exception for very small
boilers but I forget the size.

In any case, it is not very difficult to make a loop that would be safe and
not require input from any government agency.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 3:09 pm
From: "hallerb@aol.com"

On Mar 29, 2:25�pm, Don Bruder <dak...@sonic.net> wrote:
> In article <13ut4v5pok38...@news.supernews.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
> �willshak <wills...@00hvc.rr.com> wrote:
> > on 3/28/2008 9:59 AM Bill said the following:
> > > As you may know, an electric water heater can be 30% of your electric
> > > bill...
>
> > > Well I got to thinking... I have this nice woodstove which puts out a lot
> > > of
> > > heat and it is always 80 to 100 degrees (F) next to the woodstove.
>
> > > Is there some way I can use this heat to "pre-heat" the water going into my
> > > hot water heater????
>
> > > Well I came up with an idea and tried it out. It works!
>
> > > I got a used 50 gallon water heater at a recycling center. Then removed the
> > > sheet metal cover and removed the insulation. So now I had just a bare
> > > metal
> > > 50 gallon tank. I painted it black as in theory black absorbs heat better.
>
> > > Then I placed this tank next to my woodstove. Then disconnected the cold
> > > water going to my hot water heater and ran that to the bottom (drain)
> > > connection on the tank by the woodstove. Then ran a pipe going out the top
> > > of the tank by the woodstove to the cold water inlet of my electric hot
> > > water heater. (Cold into the bottom, warm out the top.)
>
> > > Note: My electric water heater is located on the other side of the wall
> > > next
> > > to my woodstove.
>
> > > After just a few hours, the water coming out of the top of the tank by the
> > > wood stove was about 70 degrees. (The water from the city going into the
> > > tank is 40 degrees F.) At this point the bottom of the tank felt cold and
> > > the top was not cold.
>
> > > The next morning, the entire tank was slightly warm.
>
> > > Anyway I am now "pre-heating" the water going to my hot water heater. So
> > > instead of my water heater having to heat up 40 degree water, it will only
> > > need to heat up water which will be from 70-80 degrees. Perhaps warmer if I
> > > have the woodstove going full blast and have not used any hot water for a
> > > while. So should save some $$ on my electric bill.
>
> > > Building code note: Now that I see this idea works, I'm going to install
> > > the
> > > tank next to my woodstove to "code"* like a water heater tank would be.
> > > That
> > > is drip pan, T&P valve, and strapped to wall for earthquakes. *I don't
> > > suppose code covers anything like this? I also installed a valve and pipe
> > > to
> > > outside for draining the tank.
>
> > > Temperature and "steam" note: The temperature next to my woodstove never
> > > gets above 115 degrees F. and water boils at 212 degrees. So no possibility
> > > of steam being created.
>
> > How about a coil of soft copper tubing attached to the rear of the
> > woodstove before it goes into your storage tank ( a coil like on the
> > back of a dehumidifer) which would transfer heat by convection rather
> > than radiation?
>
> Do that and you start running into the potential for steam, which leads
> to needing to deal with the related hazards that can come of it being in
> an enclosed place... (Can you say boiler license, pressure vessel,
> regulator valve, state inspector, and "expensive"? Sure... I knew you
> could!)
>
> --
> Don Bruder - dak...@sonic.net - If your "From:" address isn't on my whitelist,
> or the subject of the message doesn't contain the exact text "PopperAndShadow"
> somewhere, any message sent to this address will go in the garbage without my
> ever knowing it arrived. Sorry... <http://www.sonic.net/~dakidd> for more info- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

if there were a way to takew the flue exhaust gasses of woodstove thru
the old flue of a gas hot water tank with no burner.........

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TOPIC: Why do homeowners have to make profit for their houses?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 12:42 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

j_alik@yahoo.com wrote:

> Why do homeowners expect to make money on their houses,

Because the bulk of them have done over time. Normally more than
they ever do with anything else with the exception of their total wages.

> while renters have to spend for the domicile?

Because they are too stupid to be able to grasp the advantages of ownership.

> It is against all the tenets in Economy 101.

Nope.

> (1) There is no free lunch (including living) in U.S. or anywhere in the world.

Yes there is if you're happy to 'live' under a bridge etc.

> (2) The price of either tangible or intangible products is determined by supply and demand.

Its MUCH more complicated than that in practice.

> (3) Nothing goes in one direction only in the Universe.

There is a general trend in the direction of higher house
prices over time tho in all except ghost towns etc.

> Contrary thinking:
> (1) If buying house always makes money,

Only a fool claims that.

> why are there so many realtors and mortgage brokers?

Because plenty dont live in the one house for their entire lives.

> Why are they keeping buying houses for themselves
> as many as they can (because it is totally legal)?

Because they believe they will be better off than not doing that.

Thats true quite a bit of the time as long as you dont get too carried away.

> Reverse thinking:
> (1) For a house already in the market for 30 years, do you really want to
> buy it (old, small, in less-favored location, high cost to fix problems, etc.)?

Yep, its one way to make decent money.

And in some countrys thats tax free money too.

> It will be the similar condition 30 years from now what your
> new house looks like, no matter how you well-maintain it.

Thats just plain wrong depending on its construction.

> (2) For a homeowner who has already owned his/her house
> for 30 years, would he/she really make much money after
> factoring in the maintenance cost in all these years?

Yep, if its well constructed in the first place, the maintenance cost is peanuts.

I build mine properly in the first place and the only maintenance
has been a single replacement of the hot water heater in that time.

And a renter has to pay that anyway, its built into the rent.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 12:43 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

j_alik@yahoo.com wrote:

> Correction:

> Contrary thinking:
> (1) If buying house always makes money, why are there so many
> realtors and mortgage brokers? Why AREN'T they keeping buying
> houses for themselves as many as they can (because it is totally legal)?

Because most of them are in the business of making money on each sale instead.

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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 12:46 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

News reader <dont-even-bother@blank.net> wrote:
> Runge11 wrote:
>> yes, forgetting what your own country is doing to the rest of the
>> world. Take a mirror and look at yourself.

> Yeah the U.S. doesn't help the world out at all. We saved France from becoming Germany.

And stopped Japan from fucking over anything they felt like fucking over.

> We saved the Hebrews from becoming eradicated. We
> freed the Afgans from the Taliban and Al-Queda. We took out the cruel
> dictator from Iraq. But we only get criticized for the 'misery and
> death' that we cause. In my opinion the U.S. should remind the world
> exactly what good we do, by backing out of world affairs for a bit,
> and then watch the world go to hell in a hand basket. And then say "I
> told you so." when the world insists that we start helping again.
>
>
>> "News reader" <dont-even-bother@blank.net> a écrit dans le message de
>> news:8IKdnVdaMuAo6nDanZ2dnUVZ_vXinZ2d@giganews.com...
>>> ???? ????? wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What does 'Islam' mean? Islam is not a new religion, but the same
>>>> truth that God revealed through all His prophets to every people;
>>>> Islam is both a religion and the complete way of life. Muslims
>>>> follow a religion of peace, mercy, and forgiveness. The Arabic
>>>> word 'Islam' simply means 'submission', and derives from a word
>>>> meaning 'peace'. In a religious cont ext it means complete
>>>> submission to the will of God. 'Mohammadanism' is thus a misnomer
>>>> because it suggests that Muslims worship Muhammad (peace be upon
>>>> him) rather than God. 'Allah' is the Arabic name for God, which is
>>>> used by Arab Muslims and Christians alike.
>>>>
>>>> Islam is not Just for Arabs. The Truth of Islam is meant for all
>>>> people regardless of race, nationality or linguistic background.
>>>> Taking a look at the Muslim World, from Nigeria to Bosnia and from
>>>> Malaysia to Afghanistan is enough to prove that Islam is a
>>>> Universal message for all of mankind --- not to mention the fact
>>>> that significant numbers of Europeans and Americans of all races
>>>> and ethnic backgrounds are coming into Islam
>>>
>>> To me it means flying planes into buildings and killing 3000
>>> innocent people.

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 12:47 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

William Black <william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote
> News reader <dont-even-bother@blank.net> wrote
>> Runge11 wrote

>>> yes, forgetting what your own country is doing to the rest of the world. Take a mirror and look at yourself.

>> Yeah the U.S. doesn't help the world out at all. We saved France from
>> becoming Germany. We saved the Hebrews from becoming eradicated.

> Which Hebrews did you save?

> The European ones were dead and the ones who made it to the Middle
> East managed to save themselves quite effectively with Czech arms.

They did that time, but wouldnt have with the later wars.

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 12:50 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Col <reddwarfer2@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> "News reader" <dont-even-bother@blank.net> wrote in message
> news:5sOdnYGPRoQh2nPanZ2dnUVZ_oGjnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> Runge11 wrote:
>>> yes, forgetting what your own country is doing to the rest of the
>>> world. Take a mirror and look at yourself.
>>>
>> Yeah the U.S. doesn't help the world out at all. We saved France from
>> becoming Germany. We saved the Hebrews from becoming eradicated. We
>> freed the Afgans from the Taliban and Al-Queda. We took out the
>> cruel dictator from Iraq. But we only get criticized for the 'misery
>> and death' that we cause. In my opinion the U.S. should remind the
>> world exactly what good we do, by backing out of world affairs for a
>> bit, and then watch the world go to hell in a hand basket. And then
>> say "I told you so." when the world insists that we start helping again.

> Why don't you 'take out' Mugabe, then?

Same reason no one bothered about Rwanda, too insignificant
to matter and african countrys always degenerate into complete
obscenitys in no time flat whatever the west does.

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 1:03 pm
From: "Ophelia"

Col wrote:
> "Ophelia" <O@nix.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:6579bqF2e9k5iU2@mid.individual.net...
>> Col wrote:
>>> "News reader" <dont-even-bother@blank.net> wrote in message
>>> news:5sOdnYGPRoQh2nPanZ2dnUVZ_oGjnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>> Runge11 wrote:
>>>>> yes, forgetting what your own country is doing to the rest of the
>>>>> world. Take a mirror and look at yourself.
>>>>>
>>>> Yeah the U.S. doesn't help the world out at all. We saved France
>>>> from becoming Germany. We saved the Hebrews from becoming
>>>> eradicated. We freed the Afgans from the Taliban and Al-Queda. We
>>>> took out the cruel dictator from Iraq. But we only get criticized
>>>> for the 'misery and death' that we cause. In my opinion the U.S.
>>>> should remind the world exactly what good we do, by backing out of
>>>> world affairs for a bit, and then watch the world go to hell in a
>>>> hand basket. And then say "I told you so." when the world insists
>>>> that we start helping again.
>>>
>>> Why don't you 'take out' Mugabe, then?
>>
>> Hehe.... don't ya know there is no oil?
>
> It was in fact a rhetorical question :)

Just as well.

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 1:14 pm
From: "Col"

"Ophelia" <O@nix.co.uk> wrote in message
news:657lr3F2e79pvU2@mid.individual.net...
> Col wrote:

>>> Hehe.... don't ya know there is no oil?
>>
>> It was in fact a rhetorical question :)
>
> Just as well.

Makes me wonder though what would happen if Zimbabwe suddenly
found oil reserves as large as that of Iraq....
--
Col

Steal a spaceship and head for the sun,
Shoot the stars with a lemonade ray gun.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 2:03 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Col <reddwarfer2@tiscali.co.uk> wrote
> Ophelia <O@nix.co.uk> wrote
>> Col wrote

>>>> Hehe.... don't ya know there is no oil?

>>> It was in fact a rhetorical question :)

>> Just as well.

> Makes me wonder though what would happen if Zimbabwe suddenly found oil reserves as large as that of Iraq....

Nothing much. Have a look at Nigeria sometime.

And there is no oil in Somalia, Beirut, Afghanistan, France, the Philipines, etc etc etc.

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 1:57 pm
From: "Ophelia"

Col wrote:
> "Ophelia" <O@nix.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:657lr3F2e79pvU2@mid.individual.net...
>> Col wrote:
>
>>>> Hehe.... don't ya know there is no oil?
>>>
>>> It was in fact a rhetorical question :)
>>
>> Just as well.
>
> Makes me wonder though what would happen if Zimbabwe suddenly
> found oil reserves as large as that of Iraq....

OH! I think you would have no need to wonder!

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TOPIC: working from home for the next 5 weeks?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/2e946a2a773f633a?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 12:58 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Sal_55 <zaman_2756@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 28 Mar, 01:56, "Lou" <lpogodajr292...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> Sal_55 wrote:
>>>> On 27 Mar, 22:20, "mart2...@hotmail.com" <mart2...@hotmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On 27 Mar, 21:31, Sal_55 <zaman_2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> I'm ill, and can't leave the house at all for the next 5 weeks or
>>>>>> so. So I'm interested in knowing if anyone can tell me of any
>>>>>> ways I can work from home for this period of time? I have done a
>>>>>> quick search of the web and already I'm getting the impression
>>>>>> that there arer a lot of scam sites offering work to people
>>>>>> desperate for extra money. So I'm looking for genuine work only.
>>>>>> Also, I don't want to sound too greedy, but I'd obviously prefer
>>>>>> jobs which are high paying than low paying jobs.
>>>>>> This might sound weird, but I know those companies which offer
>>>>>> people money to allow them to take part in clinical trials of new
>>>>>> pharmaceutical drugs, require all people testing drugs to be
>>>>>> healthy. But I can't even leave the house due to a broken bone.
>>>>>> But are there any companies which allow people to be tested with
>>>>>> drugs at home? Alternatively,are there any other products which
>>>>>> I can test at home and be paid for testing them? Please don't
>>>>>> laugh if that is too stupd a question.
>>>>>> Thanks for reading this and bye.
>>
>>>>> Can buy and sell on ebay.
>>>>> Not so sure about the high paying bit - there are several I can
>>>>> think of but all take longer than 5 weeks to set up and get going
>>>>> to more than cover costs.
>>>>> Still, if you have the right skills, some employers will pay for
>>>>> work done.
>>
>>>>> Writing articles for magazines is profitable. But can you write
>>>>> well enough to be noticed in the slush pile?
>>
>>>>> Martin <><- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>>>> Putting modesty to one side, I am quite quick-witted with a sharp
>>>> tongue. But that's a symptom of my depression. I can write good
>>>> english and amuse ppl,but I don't want to. Because that'll be the
>>>> depression talking. Most ppl won't understand what I just wrote.
>>>> Ppl who're clinically depressed often become very witty. Just as
>>>> blind ppl develop acute hearing. I don't really know the
>>>> reason,maybe it's a defence mechanism of sorts.
>>>> I like the idea of buying and selling on ebay a lot. On laptop
>>>> computers I can imagine making 40 pounds on each laptop won't be
>>>> too hard. But how do I take the laptops to the post office,with my
>>>> broken foot?
>>>> Sorry for sounding so damn lazy,but what I'd really like is to have
>>>> some pharmaceuticals injected into me, and then in 5 weeks time, I
>>>> can go to the Clinical research companies headquarters and have the
>>>> necessary blood tests, and be paid.
>>
>> What's the deal - are you in traction or something else that totally
>> immobilizes you? How do you get to the bathroom, the dinner table,
>> the horizontal surface your computer is sitting on so you can type
>> these posts?
>> Ever hear of a wheelchair or crutches?
>>
>> I work in the clinical trial field, though not at testing sites. Some
>> trials require you to be sick - they're testing drugs/devices that
>> hopefully will make sick people better, after all. Some early stage
>> trials require
>> you to be healthy - they're checking to see what doses can be
>> tolerated, how long they stay in the body, and possible side
>> effects. Some trials last
>> only a day, some for weeks, months, ...
>>
>> Most trials are pills, not injections. Ones that are injections or
>> IV's generally are a series of injections or IV's. For the ones that
>> use healthy subjects where the drug "half-life" is being checked,
>> they take a blood
>> sample every 30 minutes or so for several hours.
>> I've never heard of one where they come to your house.
>>
>> Yes you get paid (if you follow instructions), but you'll never get
>> rich
>> being a test subject. I've never heard of a trial where the
>> doctors/technicians/whatever come to your house.
>>
>> And just as an aside, my sister has a broken foot and is still wearing a
>> boot and using crutches six months after the event. She's raising three
>> kids, keeping house, and going to work every day. Oh, and going to the
>> doctor, who says everything is progressing right on schedule.

> Thanks for the input Lou. I'm sorry to hear about your sister. But the
> ppl in the hospital here in England told me not to walk at all. And If
> I do have to walk to use crutches. They said the more I walked, even
> on crutches,the longer it will take the broekn bone to heal. They told
> me that if I don't use my foot at all,it should heal in about 5 weeks.

They're right.

> But I've been a naughty boy, and have been walking without
> crutches to make coffee and go to the toilet. In my defence,
> when I do walk I don't put any pressure on the broken foot, but
> sort of drag it, whilst putting all the pressure on the healthy foot.

Not even possible to do that.

> Not as good as using crutches, but at least I don't leave the house at all on long walks.

You're still significantly increasing the time till it heals.

Doesnt england provide any welfare for when you cant work ?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 3:57 pm
From: "mart2306@hotmail.com"

On 29 Mar, 19:58, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sal_55 <zaman_2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On 28 Mar, 01:56, "Lou" <lpogodajr292...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>> Sal_55 wrote:
> >>>> On 27 Mar, 22:20, "mart2...@hotmail.com" <mart2...@hotmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> On 27 Mar, 21:31, Sal_55 <zaman_2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> I'm ill, and can't leave the house at all for the next 5 weeks or
> >>>>>> so. So I'm interested in knowing if anyone can tell me of any
> >>>>>> ways I can work from home for this period of time? I have done a
> >>>>>> quick search of the web and already I'm getting the impression
> >>>>>> that there arer a lot of scam sites offering work to people
> >>>>>> desperate for extra money. So I'm looking for genuine work only.
> >>>>>> Also, I don't want to sound too greedy, but I'd obviously prefer
> >>>>>> jobs which are high paying than low paying jobs.
> >>>>>> This might sound weird, but I know those companies which offer
> >>>>>> people money to allow them to take part in clinical trials of new
> >>>>>> pharmaceutical drugs, require all people testing drugs to be
> >>>>>> healthy. But I can't even leave the house due to a broken bone.
> >>>>>> But are there any companies which allow people to be tested with
> >>>>>> drugs at home? Alternatively,are there any other products which
> >>>>>> I can test at home and be paid for testing them? Please don't
> >>>>>> laugh if that is too stupd a question.
> >>>>>> Thanks for reading this and bye.
>
> >>>>> Can buy and sell on ebay.
> >>>>> Not so sure about the high paying bit - there are several I can
> >>>>> think of but all take longer than 5 weeks to set up and get going
> >>>>> to more than cover costs.
> >>>>> Still, if you have the right skills, some employers will pay for
> >>>>> work done.
>
> >>>>> Writing articles for magazines is profitable. But can you write
> >>>>> well enough to be noticed in the slush pile?
>
> >>>>> Martin <><- Hide quoted text -
>
> >>>>> - Show quoted text -
>
> >>>> Putting modesty to one side, I am quite quick-witted with a sharp
> >>>> tongue. But that's a symptom of my depression. I can write good
> >>>> english and amuse ppl,but I don't want to. Because that'll be the
> >>>> depression talking. Most ppl won't understand what I just wrote.
> >>>> Ppl who're clinically depressed often become very witty. Just as
> >>>> blind ppl develop acute hearing. I don't really know the
> >>>> reason,maybe it's a defence mechanism of sorts.
> >>>> I like the idea of buying and selling on ebay a lot. On laptop
> >>>> computers I can imagine making 40 pounds on each laptop won't be
> >>>> too hard. But how do I take the laptops to the post office,with my
> >>>> broken foot?
> >>>> Sorry for sounding so damn lazy,but what I'd really like is to have
> >>>> some pharmaceuticals injected into me, and then in 5 weeks time, I
> >>>> can go to the Clinical research companies headquarters and have the
> >>>> necessary blood tests, and be paid.
>
> >> What's the deal - are you in traction or something else that totally
> >> immobilizes you? How do you get to the bathroom, the dinner table,
> >> the horizontal surface your computer is sitting on so you can type
> >> these posts?
> >> Ever hear of a wheelchair or crutches?
>
> >> I work in the clinical trial field, though not at testing sites. Some
> >> trials require you to be sick - they're testing drugs/devices that
> >> hopefully will make sick people better, after all. Some early stage
> >> trials require
> >> you to be healthy - they're checking to see what doses can be
> >> tolerated, how long they stay in the body, and possible side
> >> effects. Some trials last
> >> only a day, some for weeks, months, ...
>
> >> Most trials are pills, not injections. Ones that are injections or
> >> IV's generally are a series of injections or IV's. For the ones that
> >> use healthy subjects where the drug "half-life" is being checked,
> >> they take a blood
> >> sample every 30 minutes or so for several hours.
> >> I've never heard of one where they come to your house.
>
> >> Yes you get paid (if you follow instructions), but you'll never get
> >> rich
> >> being a test subject. I've never heard of a trial where the
> >> doctors/technicians/whatever come to your house.
>
> >> And just as an aside, my sister has a broken foot and is still wearing a
> >> boot and using crutches six months after the event. She's raising three
> >> kids, keeping house, and going to work every day. Oh, and going to the
> >> doctor, who says everything is progressing right on schedule.
> > Thanks for the input Lou. I'm sorry to hear about your sister. But the
> > ppl in the hospital here in England told me not to walk at all. And If
> > I do have to walk to use crutches. They said the more I walked, even
> > on crutches,the longer it will take the broekn bone to heal. They told
> > me that if I don't use my foot at all,it should heal in about 5 weeks.
>
> They're right.
>
> > But I've been a naughty boy, and have been walking without
> > crutches to make coffee and go to the toilet. In my defence,
> > when I do walk I don't put any pressure on the broken foot, but
> > sort of drag it, whilst putting all the pressure on the healthy foot.
>
> Not even possible to do that.
>
> > Not as good as using crutches, but at least I don't leave the house at all on long walks.
>
> You're still significantly increasing the time till it heals.
>
> Doesnt england provide any welfare for when you cant work ?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Yes, there is welfare (statutory sick pay) for when you can't work.
Not a great deal of money.
Plus insurances can be paid for on credit cards, mortgage and so on to
cover payments after a period of time (usually so many weeks). If
employed, many employers pay sick pay at whatever the current pay is
anyway.

Martin <><

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TOPIC: Surviving in New York on 99 cents
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/3504240fa7698ae2?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 1:00 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

William Souden <souden@nospam.com> wrote:
> Rod Speed wrote:
>> William Souden <souden@nospam.com> wrote:
>>> Rod Speed wrote:
>>>> The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Donna wrote
>>>>>> George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote
>>>>>>> <http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/26/dining/26ninety.html?_r=1&ref=dining&oref=slogin>
>>>>>> Interesting story. Our dollar stores are not that great around
>>>>>> here and often carry really inferior products. I'm thinking NYC
>>>>>> has more to offer.
>>>>> The 99-Cents-Only stores in the Los Angeles (and other, I guess)
>>>>> area carry a lot of foreign food (mostly China, but not
>>>>> exclusively), a variety of name-brand sausage/hotdog products,
>>>> Trouble is that those are made from surplus cats and dogs and rats.
>>>>
>>>>> fresh vegetables and fruits, a lot of exotic sauces (the
>>>>> Philippine banana sauce was pretty bland, but wotthehell) and a
>>>>> nice variety of brand-name toothpaste and deodorant as well as a
>>>>> lot of imported bathroom needs and cleaning supplies. Like
>>>>> Fry's, you could live in a 99-Cents-Only store :-)
>>>>> http://www.99only.com/
>>>>> I love those stores. The penny-a-minute long distance cards alone
>>>>> are worth the price of admission.
>>>> You're better off with voip.
>>
>>> Until your internet connection goes down. VOIP is fine for social
>>> calls or for companies with offices in different countries that need
>>> to call each other but I would not want my business to customer
>>> calls dependent on that service.
>>
>> There arent likely to be too many businesses that rely on
>> penny-a-minute long distance cards alone, cretin.

> But some businesses do rely on VOIP

None rely on penny-a-minute long distance cards alone, cretin.

> and the inherent problems were pointed out.

Nope, you fucked that up completely. Any properly implemented voip system falls back to the PSTN fuckwit.

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TOPIC: question about Publishers Clearing House sweepstakes
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/4432033dfbb21e86?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 1:17 pm
From: nospam256k@yahoo.com

Every Publishers Clearing House sweepstakes mailing always describes
in great detail and fanfare about how PCH will show up at the winner's
residence with a TV crew and present the winner with a big check.

Does this mean that people who have a post office box address would
not be eligible to win?

I haven't noticed any mention in the rules about post office box
addresses, but do you know of anyone with a post office box address
who has won a Publishers Clearing House sweepstakes?

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TOPIC: you win 1000dallers
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/63d86b5cb6e04c8b?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 3:45 pm
From: Al Bundy

On Mar 29, 3:40 am, jill <kath ...@gmail.com> wrote:
> you win 1000dallers
> life is the first gift
> love is the second
> understanding is the third
> you chatting with me
> *************************************************h
^You deposit 1000 dallars my paypal account. My BSing you. You BSing
me.

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