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TOPIC: recycling a box just cost me 50c
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 6 2008 7:52 am
From: Derald

"Evelyn C. Leeper" <eleeper@optonline.net> wrote:

>We just wish there
>were some way to be able to re-use the box instead of throwing it out.
>Even recycling is a second-best to re-using.
I agree. It seems to me, though, that average folks deal with too
few of the boxes to make recycling them, specifically, a worthwhile
effort and surely the folks who recylce paper must already include
priority mail boxes.
>
>I agree with the previous suggestion: the USPS should just stop giving
>boxes away.
They don't; the price of the service more than covers the boxes. I
believe that the PS would do best to raise the fee for deliberate
mis-use to something reasonably deterrent: Say, $500-$1,000 instead of
pocket change. I have had the experience of returning a package for
re-mailing because I was unwilling to pay the excess postage due on a
Priority Mail container that bore because DIY Paypal media mail postage.
--
Derald

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TOPIC: Removing non-stick coating to salvage a pan?
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 6 2008 8:30 am
From: Peter A

In article <a000t3truleqhm7haf0an0fgpf9o54n2p1@4ax.com>,
usenet@soleSPAMLESSassociates.com says...
> Howdy,
>
> That's certainly not my experience, but if it doesn't work
> for you, I hope that you have a method that you prefer.
>
> All the best,
> --
> Kenneth
>
>

Yep - my goal is eggs where all the white is set but the yolk is still
runny. I use a 6 inch nonstick pan over just-below-medium heat. Melt a
little butter and put in 2 eggs, salt & white pepper, then cover with a
glass lid. Cook for about 5 minutes. The cover traps the heat so you do
not have to "over easy" the eggs to cook all the white. You can check
for doneness by jiggling the pan to see if the whites right around the
yolk (the last to cook) still tremble.

--
Peter Aitken

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 6 2008 8:34 am
From: Kenneth

On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 11:30:58 -0500, Peter A
<paitken@CRAPnc.rr.com> wrote:

>In article <a000t3truleqhm7haf0an0fgpf9o54n2p1@4ax.com>,
>usenet@soleSPAMLESSassociates.com says...
>> Howdy,
>>
>> That's certainly not my experience, but if it doesn't work
>> for you, I hope that you have a method that you prefer.
>>
>> All the best,
>> --
>> Kenneth
>>
>>
>
>Yep - my goal is eggs where all the white is set but the yolk is still
>runny. I use a 6 inch nonstick pan over just-below-medium heat. Melt a
>little butter and put in 2 eggs, salt & white pepper, then cover with a
>glass lid. Cook for about 5 minutes. The cover traps the heat so you do
>not have to "over easy" the eggs to cook all the white. You can check
>for doneness by jiggling the pan to see if the whites right around the
>yolk (the last to cook) still tremble.

Hi Peter,

Ooops... I was in omelet mode,
--
Kenneth

If you email... Please remove the "SPAMLESS."

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 6 2008 8:52 am
From: Lou Decruss

On Thu, 06 Mar 2008 09:31:19 -0500, Kenneth
<usenet@soleSPAMLESSassociates.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 08:35:22 -0500, Peter A
><paitken@CRAPnc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>In article <9fcus3lftbb0qqjsq9hjte099thj3gvdiu@4ax.com>,
>>usenet@soleSPAMLESSassociates.com says...
>>> Then, with an iron surface, when the pan is hot enough for
>>> water droplets to "dance" rather than boil, and with some
>>> butter tossed in, eggs will slide right out of the pan.
>>>
>>
>>The only problem is that cooking eggs at such a high temperature gives
>>you tough eggs.
>>
>>--
>>Peter Aitken
>>Author, MS Word for Medical and Technical Writers
>>www.tech-word.com
>
>Howdy,
>
>That's certainly not my experience, but if it doesn't work
>for you, I hope that you have a method that you prefer.
>
>All the best,

Howdy Kenneth!!!

I don't like tough eggs with burnt edges. I like a nice runny yolk
with my whites just barely set. I use medium heat. Dancing water
droplets is to hot for my eggs. I add the eggs and put a teaspoon of
water next to them and cover. The steam sets the top, but has little
effect on the yolk unless you let them cook to long. Perfect eggs
every time.

Lou

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 6 2008 9:11 am
From: Peter A

In article <t670t35df9r2ps6mpmgebftnnb2k9t06mj@4ax.com>,
usenet@soleSPAMLESSassociates.com says...
> >Yep - my goal is eggs where all the white is set but the yolk is still
> >runny. I use a 6 inch nonstick pan over just-below-medium heat. Melt a
> >little butter and put in 2 eggs, salt & white pepper, then cover with a
> >glass lid. Cook for about 5 minutes. The cover traps the heat so you do
> >not have to "over easy" the eggs to cook all the white. You can check
> >for doneness by jiggling the pan to see if the whites right around the
> >yolk (the last to cook) still tremble.
>
> Hi Peter,
>
> Ooops... I was in omelet mode,
> --
> Kenneth
>

For omelets I use a 6 inch aluminum pan with sloped sides - it is the
oldest pan I own. I bought it about 30 years ago based on the
recommendation of Julia Child (and the fact that I could afford it).

I have never seen a cast iron pan with the proper shape for omelets.

--
Peter Aitken

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 6 2008 9:31 am
From: Sheldon

Nate Nagel wrote:
> Sheldon wrote:
> > Lou Decruss wrote:
>
> >>Sheldon wrote:
>
> >>>Kenneth wrote:
>
> >>>>I've used cast iron happily for about 50 years, but have
> >>>>always thought the whole seasoning thing to be, well, (for
> >>>>want of a better word), silly.
>
> >>>>In terms of sticking, I could not detect a difference
> >>>>between a brand new, unseasoned pan, and one that I had
> >>>>carefully seasoned for years.
>
> >>>>Then, a few years ago, Consumer's Reports tested cast iron
> >>>>cookware.
>
> >>>>Among other aspects of their testing, they asked staff
> >>>>members to contact elderly relatives to see if they could
> >>>>find generations old, super-well seasoned pans, for
> >>>>comparison.
>
> >>>>As has been my experience, they could detect no difference
>
> >>>Except the elderly could no longer lift them.
>
> >>That's how I got some of mine.
>
> >>>I don't know why anyone needs cookware from the iron age, it's a
> >>>kitchen for cripe's sake... you wanna pump iron join Gold's Gym.
>
> >>Maybe some of us are younger and stronger than you shemp. �
>
> > Thanks for proving my point... those of us with real life experience
> > and measurable IQs don't need to work as fork lifts. My momma taught
> > me that no one pays much for jackass labor. That said I have no doubt
> > I can out muscle two of you.
>
> > The only reason folks buy cast iron cookware is because it's cheap,
> > and they are too poor or miserly to buy real cookware or they enjoy
> > playing pilgrim. It makes as much sense cooking with cast iron
> > cookware in 2008 as it does commuting to work in a cart with wooden
> > wheels pulled by a yoke of oxen. I've yet to see a professional
> > kitchen that uses cast iron pots and pans. Cast iron cookware makes
> > steel wheel roller skates and wooden golf clubs seem like state of the
> > art. Cast iron cookware went out of vogue before the Wright Brothers
> > flew at Kitty Hawk, before Edison's light bulb.
>
> Two advantages to cast iron:
>
> 1) thermal mass.

Don't you mean your dense cranium... BTUs trump thermal mass every
time... buy a proper stove.

> 2) you have to work very, very hard to render a cast iron skillet
> unusable.

Bullshit. They rust, they crack, and if dropped they smash stuff...
what needs very hard work is to maintain their utileness.

With quality stainless steel pans there's is plenty of thermal mass,
no special maintenance is necessary, and if one actually knows how to
cook nothing will stick to properly seasoned stainless steel.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 6 2008 10:17 am
From: salty@dog.com

On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 09:31:18 -0800 (PST), Sheldon <PENMART01@aol.com>
wrote:

>Nate Nagel wrote:
>> Sheldon wrote:
>> > Lou Decruss wrote:
>>
>> >>Sheldon wrote:
>>
>> >>>Kenneth wrote:
>>
>> >>>>I've used cast iron happily for about 50 years, but have
>> >>>>always thought the whole seasoning thing to be, well, (for
>> >>>>want of a better word), silly.
>>
>> >>>>In terms of sticking, I could not detect a difference
>> >>>>between a brand new, unseasoned pan, and one that I had
>> >>>>carefully seasoned for years.
>>
>> >>>>Then, a few years ago, Consumer's Reports tested cast iron
>> >>>>cookware.
>>
>> >>>>Among other aspects of their testing, they asked staff
>> >>>>members to contact elderly relatives to see if they could
>> >>>>find generations old, super-well seasoned pans, for
>> >>>>comparison.
>>
>> >>>>As has been my experience, they could detect no difference
>>
>> >>>Except the elderly could no longer lift them.
>>
>> >>That's how I got some of mine.
>>
>> >>>I don't know why anyone needs cookware from the iron age, it's a
>> >>>kitchen for cripe's sake... you wanna pump iron join Gold's Gym.
>>
>> >>Maybe some of us are younger and stronger than you shemp. ?
>>
>> > Thanks for proving my point... those of us with real life experience
>> > and measurable IQs don't need to work as fork lifts. My momma taught
>> > me that no one pays much for jackass labor. That said I have no doubt
>> > I can out muscle two of you.
>>
>> > The only reason folks buy cast iron cookware is because it's cheap,
>> > and they are too poor or miserly to buy real cookware or they enjoy
>> > playing pilgrim. It makes as much sense cooking with cast iron
>> > cookware in 2008 as it does commuting to work in a cart with wooden
>> > wheels pulled by a yoke of oxen. I've yet to see a professional
>> > kitchen that uses cast iron pots and pans. Cast iron cookware makes
>> > steel wheel roller skates and wooden golf clubs seem like state of the
>> > art. Cast iron cookware went out of vogue before the Wright Brothers
>> > flew at Kitty Hawk, before Edison's light bulb.
>>
>> Two advantages to cast iron:
>>
>> 1) thermal mass.
>
>Don't you mean your dense cranium... BTUs trump thermal mass every
>time... buy a proper stove.
>
>> 2) you have to work very, very hard to render a cast iron skillet
>> unusable.
>
>Bullshit. They rust, they crack, and if dropped they smash stuff...
>what needs very hard work is to maintain their utileness.
>
>With quality stainless steel pans there's is plenty of thermal mass,
>no special maintenance is necessary, and if one actually knows how to
>cook nothing will stick to properly seasoned stainless steel.

Comedy GOLD!

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 6 2008 10:19 am
From: "JoeSpareBedroom"

<salty@dog.com> wrote in message
news:7ad0t3556g4lbmiqbasqmbeq43re53k40s@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 09:31:18 -0800 (PST), Sheldon <PENMART01@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Nate Nagel wrote:
>>> Sheldon wrote:
>>> > Lou Decruss wrote:
>>>
>>> >>Sheldon wrote:
>>>
>>> >>>Kenneth wrote:
>>>
>>> >>>>I've used cast iron happily for about 50 years, but have
>>> >>>>always thought the whole seasoning thing to be, well, (for
>>> >>>>want of a better word), silly.
>>>
>>> >>>>In terms of sticking, I could not detect a difference
>>> >>>>between a brand new, unseasoned pan, and one that I had
>>> >>>>carefully seasoned for years.
>>>
>>> >>>>Then, a few years ago, Consumer's Reports tested cast iron
>>> >>>>cookware.
>>>
>>> >>>>Among other aspects of their testing, they asked staff
>>> >>>>members to contact elderly relatives to see if they could
>>> >>>>find generations old, super-well seasoned pans, for
>>> >>>>comparison.
>>>
>>> >>>>As has been my experience, they could detect no difference
>>>
>>> >>>Except the elderly could no longer lift them.
>>>
>>> >>That's how I got some of mine.
>>>
>>> >>>I don't know why anyone needs cookware from the iron age, it's a
>>> >>>kitchen for cripe's sake... you wanna pump iron join Gold's Gym.
>>>
>>> >>Maybe some of us are younger and stronger than you shemp. ?
>>>
>>> > Thanks for proving my point... those of us with real life experience
>>> > and measurable IQs don't need to work as fork lifts. My momma taught
>>> > me that no one pays much for jackass labor. That said I have no doubt
>>> > I can out muscle two of you.
>>>
>>> > The only reason folks buy cast iron cookware is because it's cheap,
>>> > and they are too poor or miserly to buy real cookware or they enjoy
>>> > playing pilgrim. It makes as much sense cooking with cast iron
>>> > cookware in 2008 as it does commuting to work in a cart with wooden
>>> > wheels pulled by a yoke of oxen. I've yet to see a professional
>>> > kitchen that uses cast iron pots and pans. Cast iron cookware makes
>>> > steel wheel roller skates and wooden golf clubs seem like state of the
>>> > art. Cast iron cookware went out of vogue before the Wright Brothers
>>> > flew at Kitty Hawk, before Edison's light bulb.
>>>
>>> Two advantages to cast iron:
>>>
>>> 1) thermal mass.
>>
>>Don't you mean your dense cranium... BTUs trump thermal mass every
>>time... buy a proper stove.
>>
>>> 2) you have to work very, very hard to render a cast iron skillet
>>> unusable.
>>
>>Bullshit. They rust, they crack, and if dropped they smash stuff...
>>what needs very hard work is to maintain their utileness.
>>
>>With quality stainless steel pans there's is plenty of thermal mass,
>>no special maintenance is necessary, and if one actually knows how to
>>cook nothing will stick to properly seasoned stainless steel.
>
> Comedy GOLD!
>
>

Got popcorn?

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TOPIC: Wal-Mart will see even less of me now
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 6 2008 9:24 am
From: Seerialmom

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items early in the morning, was the "self-checkout". So this morning
I go there to buy a case of 8 oz. Pepsi's; there's one check out open
and none of the "self-checkouts" are "on". I commented to the cashier
that "not that I want your job to go away...but I come here
specifically because of the self-checkouts". Her answer was that they
were going away due to too many losses from people not checking "all"
the items and walking out the door. Now is that just stupid or what?
"Why can't they do like Sam's Club or Costco", I asked her. She said
the customers who shop there have cussed out the person who asks for a
receipt and to check the bag. Of course the ones that would do that
have something to hide, right? Additionally they could limit it to 10
items or less and have those cameras over the register. I'd say it's
a BS answer she gave...since thieves will steal anyway, checkout or
not.

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 6 2008 9:56 am
From: skarkada@gmail.com

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I am not sure how much of all that is true, but, I would imagine Wal
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Same case with Home Depot. First of all, most workers avoid eye
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someone to ask where they keep an item, answer comes very quickly "oh,
we don't carry that." I just have to browse for half an hour by myself
and I'll find the item or something equivalent.

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 6 2008 10:17 am
From: George Grapman

skarkada@gmail.com wrote:
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> told her that "my husband hates to shop here because you keep only on
> counter open", the checkout lady told my wife that they have hard time
> finding employees. Apparently, they don't get enough applicants and
> then most of them fail due to various reasons, among them (1) drug
> tests and (2) background checks. And, many people apparently decline
> the job.
>
> I am not sure how much of all that is true, but, I would imagine Wal
> Mart should know that they have to pay well to get and keep good
> workers.
>
> Same case with Home Depot. First of all, most workers avoid eye
> contact fearing I might ask them a question. When I do find and stop
> someone to ask where they keep an item, answer comes very quickly "oh,
> we don't carry that." I just have to browse for half an hour by myself
> and I'll find the item or something equivalent.

I have a friend who worked at Home Depot. One reason that they may
not be informed is because they keep moving people from department to
department. Apparently they are afraid that workers might get friendly
with each other and perhaps compare gripes and talk about unions.
They also had mandatory store wide meetings early Sunday mornings. He
said there was nothing there that could not have been handled via one
page memos. He stopped going and nothing happened. He did notice that
those who faithfully attended were the ones who got calls on their days
off telling them to come in or where asked to change their vacation
dates at the last moment. It seems they knew the regular attendees were
the most malleable and the most fearful of losing their jobs.

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 6 2008 10:36 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Bet that will have the walmart suits pouring from their
windows like lemmings as soon as they read your post.

Seerialmom <seerialmom@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Not that I shop at Wal-Mart all that often, but one thing that did
> inspire me to venture in ,especially before work when I needed 1 or 2
> items early in the morning, was the "self-checkout". So this morning
> I go there to buy a case of 8 oz. Pepsi's; there's one check out open
> and none of the "self-checkouts" are "on". I commented to the cashier
> that "not that I want your job to go away...but I come here
> specifically because of the self-checkouts". Her answer was that they
> were going away due to too many losses from people not checking "all"
> the items and walking out the door. Now is that just stupid or what?
> "Why can't they do like Sam's Club or Costco", I asked her. She said
> the customers who shop there have cussed out the person who asks for a
> receipt and to check the bag. Of course the ones that would do that
> have something to hide, right? Additionally they could limit it to 10
> items or less and have those cameras over the register. I'd say it's
> a BS answer she gave...since thieves will steal anyway, checkout or not.

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 6 2008 11:05 am
From: Jeff

George Grapman wrote:
> skarkada@gmail.com wrote:
>> My wife had a similar experience at Wal Mart recently. When my wife
>> told her that "my husband hates to shop here because you keep only on
>> counter open", the checkout lady told my wife that they have hard time
>> finding employees. Apparently, they don't get enough applicants and
>> then most of them fail due to various reasons, among them (1) drug
>> tests and (2) background checks. And, many people apparently decline
>> the job.
>>
>> I am not sure how much of all that is true, but, I would imagine Wal
>> Mart should know that they have to pay well to get and keep good
>> workers.
>>
>> Same case with Home Depot. First of all, most workers avoid eye
>> contact fearing I might ask them a question. When I do find and stop
>> someone to ask where they keep an item, answer comes very quickly "oh,
>> we don't carry that." I just have to browse for half an hour by myself
>> and I'll find the item or something equivalent.
>
> I have a friend who worked at Home Depot.

I've been in more than my share of Home Depots, I live in Atlanta
where they are HQ'd. Whatever they do with their employees, they are at
heart an unhappy lot. They complain of being overworked but appear to be
much less helpful than their brethren at Lowes. You can often find Lowes
employees who are ex Home Depot people, they are much much happier at Lowes.

Jeff

One reason that they may not
> be informed is because they keep moving people from department to
> department. Apparently they are afraid that workers might get friendly
> with each other and perhaps compare gripes and talk about unions.
> They also had mandatory store wide meetings early Sunday mornings. He
> said there was nothing there that could not have been handled via one
> page memos. He stopped going and nothing happened. He did notice that
> those who faithfully attended were the ones who got calls on their days
> off telling them to come in or where asked to change their vacation
> dates at the last moment. It seems they knew the regular attendees were
> the most malleable and the most fearful of losing their jobs.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 6 2008 11:18 am
From: Jeff

Seerialmom wrote:
> Not that I shop at Wal-Mart all that often, but one thing that did
> inspire me to venture in ,especially before work when I needed 1 or 2
> items early in the morning, was the "self-checkout". So this morning
> I go there to buy a case of 8 oz. Pepsi's; there's one check out open
> and none of the "self-checkouts" are "on". I commented to the cashier
> that "not that I want your job to go away...but I come here
> specifically because of the self-checkouts". Her answer was that they
> were going away due to too many losses from people not checking "all"
> the items and walking out the door.

There must be something wrong with their system. I've found it
impossible to move something to bagging without scanning. Not that I'm
trying to steal something, but mis scans and oversized goods happen. I
often need assistance clearing something...

Now is that just stupid or what?
> "Why can't they do like Sam's Club or Costco", I asked her. She said
> the customers who shop there have cussed out the person who asks for a
> receipt and to check the bag.

I don't see that at the Walmarts I shop. The rules seem to be at least a
cursory look at the receipt or the bag. I've never seen anyone complain.
Must be a different clientelle in your hood. I do think they check some
people a lot more carefully. Walmart runs a tight ship, I'm surprised
they can't get this under control at your store.

Jeff

Of course the ones that would do that
> have something to hide, right? Additionally they could limit it to 10
> items or less and have those cameras over the register. I'd say it's
> a BS answer she gave...since thieves will steal anyway, checkout or
> not.

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 6 2008 12:02 pm
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"Jeff" <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote in message
news:13t0grijiduu130@corp.supernews.com...
> Seerialmom wrote:
>> Not that I shop at Wal-Mart all that often, but one thing that did
>> inspire me to venture in ,especially before work when I needed 1 or 2
>> items early in the morning, was the "self-checkout". So this morning
>> I go there to buy a case of 8 oz. Pepsi's; there's one check out open
>> and none of the "self-checkouts" are "on". I commented to the cashier
>> that "not that I want your job to go away...but I come here
>> specifically because of the self-checkouts". Her answer was that they
>> were going away due to too many losses from people not checking "all"
>> the items and walking out the door.
>
> There must be something wrong with their system. I've found it
> impossible to move something to bagging without scanning. Not that I'm
> trying to steal something, but mis scans and oversized goods happen. I
> often need assistance clearing something...

you're just a luddite from hanging out with the amish all those yrs ago :)

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 6 2008 9:42 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"Jeff" <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote in message
news:13suun3tapfnm79@corp.supernews.com...
> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:

>> yeah. many, if not most, do have electricity these days, i think.
>> they're just off the grid. my farmer shares a phone booth with 2 other
>> farmers. but no cell phone, ipod, computer, etc. i know my farmer has
>> inverters, so i'm guessing he's got electric somehow. and some of those
>> buggies are pretty pimped out with a sound system.
>
> Now that I've got to see! What part of the country are you in?

pa. my farmer lives about a mile from where those girls were killed.
i called him, and his 8 kids go to that school. there's a lot of small
one room schools all over the place down there. several families get
together, build a school, hire the teacher, etc. those families are
responsible for that school and it's expenses.

> The Amish I knew (Medina County, Ohio) had a two battery limit, but they
> all had nice LED flashlights. I'm blown away by the inverters, but I think
> the grid connect is really where the line is drawn. I don't think even
> they understand the rules.

yeah, i think it's the grid, too. what rules are you talking about?

> there's a business
>> around here that will install them in the buggies.
>
> Wild! You know, I've never seen an Amish Buggy that wasn't hauling ass,
> so to speak. I can't quite imagine one flying down the road with a bump.
> What kind of music do they play?

the buggies are pokey here. at least the ones i've been behind. i have
no idea what music they play. or if there are rules specifying what's
allowed.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 6 2008 10:25 am
From: Al Bundy

On Mar 5, 7:34 pm, val189 <gwehr...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> On Mar 4, 11:01 am, "OhioGuy" <n...@none.net> wrote:
>
> > I just read an article which stated that the average family of 4 here in
> > the USA spends $900 a month on groceries, plus
>
> > We have a family of 4, and our grocery budget
>
> budget or bills?
>
> is only $180 a month. Until
>
> > last month, it was $160 a month, but we had to raise it a bit because many
> > food prices have gone up 20 to 30% in the past year.
>
> You must be eating out 6 days out of 7, and/or your family of 4 is you
> and three fleas. You ain't tellin' all.

Exactly Val, OG is a troll of sorts anyway. He always leaves out
crucial details, which in this case is what does he eat and what does
his grocery bill include and exclude. And is any of his post even
true? When you track this guy you find a line of BS a mile long. Some
of it is just bragging, and then later you find he spends more than a
normal person. We know he's willing to subject his wife and kids to
about anything to save a penny. Don't drop a penny while you are
reaching for your keys either because he will be bent over fighting
you for it. Yes, he does eat out using coupons he clips or finds on
the floor at the mall. It is funny to read some of his antics, but it
can only be considered food for thought, not anything factual at all.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 6 2008 10:57 am
From: Jeff

AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
> "Jeff" <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote in message
> news:13suun3tapfnm79@corp.supernews.com...
>> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
>
>>> yeah. many, if not most, do have electricity these days, i think.
>>> they're just off the grid. my farmer shares a phone booth with 2 other
>>> farmers. but no cell phone, ipod, computer, etc. i know my farmer has
>>> inverters, so i'm guessing he's got electric somehow. and some of those
>>> buggies are pretty pimped out with a sound system.
>> Now that I've got to see! What part of the country are you in?
>
> pa. my farmer lives about a mile from where those girls were killed.

Oh, I am so sorry about that.

> i called him, and his 8 kids go to that school. there's a lot of small
> one room schools all over the place down there. several families get
> together, build a school, hire the teacher, etc. those families are
> responsible for that school and it's expenses.

I'm not sure how it is "here". I do know they have a more or less
normal curriculum but only go to school until they are about 14.

I bought all the kids new gloves one year (found a good price) and
later found that pleased the kids to no end because they felt better
about their *appearance* going to school. They don't care about colors
and such but they really like new and nice goods. I can still picture a
couple of the girls coming up to me just beaming with the new gloves.

I think they got a big kick out of me. I'd often see them at evening
milking time and being a city guy had never milked a cow. Well they
invited me to try and the next thing I knew all the kids were gathered
around laughing like crazy!
>
>> The Amish I knew (Medina County, Ohio) had a two battery limit, but they
>> all had nice LED flashlights. I'm blown away by the inverters, but I think
>> the grid connect is really where the line is drawn. I don't think even
>> they understand the rules.
>
> yeah, i think it's the grid, too. what rules are you talking about?

Oh, man. They've got a lot! Theirs an Amish term for them I can't quite
remember. For all the horses they have, you never see an Amish *on* a
horse. Bicycles are forbidden. It's OK to bring logs back to the barn
and use machinery to cut them, but no chainsaws in the woods. I didn't
often ask, but I remember asking about chainsaws and he just looked kind
of sad and said "we are not allowed".
>
>> there's a business
>>> around here that will install them in the buggies.
>> Wild! You know, I've never seen an Amish Buggy that wasn't hauling ass,
>> so to speak. I can't quite imagine one flying down the road with a bump.
>> What kind of music do they play?
>
> the buggies are pokey here.

Seems like they are active about dusk. I'd see them flying down the
road and it looked to me that they were going as fast as they could. I
suppose if I was in a car behind one I'd have a different impression!

Jeff

at least the ones i've been behind. i have
> no idea what music they play. or if there are rules specifying what's
> allowed.
>
>

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 6 2008 12:00 pm
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"Jeff" <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote in message
news:13t0fk3pgm4vm6e@corp.supernews.com...
> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:

>> pa. my farmer lives about a mile from where those girls were killed.
>
> Oh, I am so sorry about that.

correction>>>> i called him, and his 8 kids DON'T go to that school.
<<<correction

> I'm not sure how it is "here". I do know they have a more or less normal
> curriculum but only go to school until they are about 14.

8th grade. they believe that any more education makes a person
full of pride in himself, which is a sin.

> I bought all the kids new gloves one year (found a good price) and later
> found that pleased the kids to no end because they felt better about their
> *appearance* going to school. They don't care about colors and such but
> they really like new and nice goods. I can still picture a couple of the
> girls coming up to me just beaming with the new gloves.

yep, they're a frugal lot. waste not, want not, use it up, buy as little
from the english as possible.
>
> I think they got a big kick out of me. I'd often see them at evening
> milking time and being a city guy had never milked a cow. Well they
> invited me to try and the next thing I knew all the kids were gathered
> around laughing like crazy!

i donated a dollar at the fair to milk my first cow. soft and silky teats.
got milk. pretty cool.

>> yeah, i think it's the grid, too. what rules are you talking about?
>
> Oh, man. They've got a lot! Theirs an Amish term for them I can't quite
> remember. For all the horses they have, you never see an Amish *on* a
> horse. Bicycles are forbidden. It's OK to bring logs back to the barn

but foot propelled scooters are ok, as are huge tricycles that are found
at their vacationing grounds in sarasota, fl. but i think i've seen amish
up
the river on bikes (young boys). maybe it was a scooter.

> and use machinery to cut them, but no chainsaws in the woods. I didn't
> often ask, but I remember asking about chainsaws and he just looked kind
> of sad and said "we are not allowed".

do they hunt? maybe it scares away the game? maybe they don't want
the temptation of greed and figure that no chainsaw means less logs to
process?

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TOPIC: Water softener, iron reducing bacteria (IRB)
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 6 2008 11:10 am
From: szilagyic@gmail.com

On Mar 5, 3:18 pm, Oren <O...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Mar 2008 10:59:33 -0800 (PST), szilag...@gmail.com wrote:
> >Hello:
>
> >I have a gravel well which is around 5 years old. Over time we've
> >been experiencing a buildup ofIRB(iron reducing bacteria) everywhere
> >in our plumbing, etc. My main concern is that we have a water
> >softenerand I'm sure it's caked inside. Is there anything that is
> >non-toxic that I can put with thesoftenersalt so that it will clean
> >out the resin tank with each regeneration cycle? I found a product
> >called "Boresaver Ultra C" but I don't know if it's safe for a water
> >softener. Somebody recommended "Iron Out", but I don't know if this
> >will work or if it's safe??
>
> >I really appreciate all of the feedback on this...
>
> >Thank you,
>
> Snipped from web site:
>
> ...A resin cleaning compound must be used regularly to protect the
> resin. The most common resin cleaning compounds contain sodium
> hydrosulfite or phosphoric acid. Some watersoftenersalt contains a
> resin cleaner...
>
> Yes, I have used this company with outstanding results.
>
> FAQ Link - (Iron)
>
> http://www.qualitywatertreatment.com/faqs_iron_filters.html

Thank you for the information. I will contact them as I am not sure
which one is actually non-toxic. I ended up also reading that citric
acid is non-toxic and supposedly works OK for this. Do you recommend
something as simple as lemon juice, or should I purchase a commercial
citric acid product? I am open for suggestions on the best non-toxic
alternative, yet I don't want to harm the resin either.

Thank you again,
--
Chris

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TOPIC: TEPHLON-coated drum
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 6 2008 11:47 am
From: Cindy Hamilton

On Mar 4, 9:54 pm, Charles van Blommestein <cvanb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have bought a new Electric rice cooker tonight. I bought the
> Procotor Silex 10 cup unit (I normally cook for only myself.)
> This unit has a Tephlon-coated removeable drum for cooking rice.
> *My ultimate goal was to buy a replacement unit for the 12 cup Tiger
> brand unit that burned out it's heater core, last week. - I also
> shopped for a unit that will allow me to steam veggies while cooking
> the rice.
> %This unit has no steaming "basket", per-se.
>
> I am wondering how "safe"; if so I am to cook any food with the
> coating of tephlon inside this drum.

The reason that Teflon is nonstick is that it is inert. At
temperatures
below about 660 F, Teflon does not react with other substances,
including your body.

At temperatures above about 660 F, Teflon begins to decompose and
releases gases. Your rice cooker operates at or below 212 F.
For the use that you intend to give it, your rice cooker is as safe
as it gets.

Cindy Hamilton

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 6 2008 12:05 pm
From: James

I'm starting to fill up to avoid higher prices later. Used to get
just half a tank in case prices drop.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 6 2008 12:58 pm
From:
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"James" <j0069bond@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I'm starting to fill up to avoid higher prices later. Used to get
> just half a tank in case prices drop.

I fill up once every 6-7 weeks just as always.

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com
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 6 2008 12:39 pm
From: "kenny.mcgrill@googlemail.com"

Paid Work Experience for Foreign Speaking Law Graduates -
Vacancies4all.com
http://www.vacancies4all.com/Postings/3767.html

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