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TOPIC: Guide to Bad Cholesterol - FREE Tips Resources
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 23 2008 4:51 pm
From: sxbuo9l2fhqqmjc338ut@gmail.com
You must have heard at least once as cholesterol being referred to in
two separate parts: good cholesterol and bad cholesterol. However, did
you ever take the time to find out why and what is the difference
between the two, because most people do not, and this is in fact one
of the most important things in regards to the human health that
anyone could know.
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 23 2008 5:01 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
sxbuo9l2fhqqmjc338ut@gmail.com wrote:
> You must have heard at least once as cholesterol being referred to in
> two separate parts: good cholesterol and bad cholesterol. However,
> did you ever take the time to find out why and what is the difference
> between the two, because most people do not, and this is in fact one
> of the most important things in regards to the human health that
> anyone could know.
No it isnt.
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 23 2008 5:44 pm
From: Gordon
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in news:6785omF2nub9oU1
@mid.individual.net:
> Gordon <gonzo@alltomyself.com> wrote:
>> At the risk of looking like a spammer...
>>
>> This is actually a follow up to a post I made
>> last week. I have uncovered some services that
>> will stream network video and video on demand
>> to your PC.
>>
>> Anyway, I'll keep you posted on this.
>> After all, Eliminating the monthly cable bill without
>> giving up TV is very frugal.
>
> Changing to digital TV is even more frugal.
>
>
I'm not following you Rod.
Are you refering to over the air digital TV??
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 23 2008 5:50 pm
From: Gordon
OK, so this is quite intresting to know. It would appear
that the sites are perpritrationg a massive faud then?
After all they are advertising 9,000 channals of TV.
I guess I'll have to do some more due diligence.
Papadillos <papadillos@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:C434C1D8.D8D2%papadillos@hotmail.com:
> It's best to Ask the Man Who Owns One beforehand. Google is Your
> Friend. Thus, from a posting on DSLReports:
>
> "I subscribed but when I checked it out it was nothing but a front for
> a porn website. All the regular clips can be found on you tube, since
> that is where it send you when you want to see a video. Then there is
> a link where it states you must be 18+, there you can see adult
> videos. This website is terrible, don't subscribe."
> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19233415-JohnQ-TV-Any-good
>
> (Actually, JohnQ's home page should have told you that...)
>
> I don't know the economics of it, but porn and gambling come-ons seem
> to pay off for the sites that front for them. Click-and-pay, like
> spam, seems to be based on the fact that even if 1/10 (or for that
> matter 1/100) of 1% of those accosted buy the service, the spammer or
> web sponsor makes a profit: his costs are virtually zero when spread
> out over the 100 million addressees. So every time you click on a link
> out of curiosity and even without any intention of buying, and whether
> or not you do buy, the site owner gets money.
>
> Hence all those thousands of sites that have names based on
> misspellings of other sites. (And I note that Amazon has bought up a
> lot of those, such as Amazoon, Amaxon, etc. just to put an end to it
> as far as they are concerned.)
>
>
> On 23/04/2008 08:11, in article 6785omF2nub9oU1@mid.individual.net,
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Gordon <gonzo@alltomyself.com> wrote:
>>> At the risk of looking like a spammer...
>>>
>>> This is actually a follow up to a post I made
>>> last week. I have uncovered some services that
>>> will stream network video and video on demand
>>> to your PC.
>>>
>>> I have not fully checked out these services, and
>>> I have no relationship with any of them.
>>>
>>> Check them out at your own risk.
>>>
>>> www.direct-pctv.com
>>> www.dishnetpc.com
>>> www.priemiumtvforpc.com
>>> www.watchtvonyourpc.net
>>> www.johnQ.com
>>>
>>> Most of these sell you a piece of software that will
>>> allow you to access their servers and view videos.
>>> After that there is no monthly fee.
>>> JohnQ (as best i can tell) is free and works with
>>> a browser plugin. It could work with Linux.
>>> One of them (I forget which) works with Windows
>>> Media Player.
>>>
>>> I don't know how they make their money. Perhaps you
>>> have to put up with commercials or there is a priemium
>>> level of service that they try to sell you for a
>>> monthly fee. I haven't tried any of them out yet so I
>>> don't know what strings may be attached.
>>>
>>> If they work as advertised, they could be a viable alternitive
>>> to Cable TV and their high monthly fees.
>>>
>>> Time to pull out my old laptop and see if it can handle
>>> streaming video. If it can, I'll hook it to my TV (it
>>> has a composite video out).
>>>
>>> Anyway, I'll keep you posted on this.
>>> After all, Eliminating the monthly cable bill without
>>> giving up TV is very frugal.
>>
>> Changing to digital TV is even more frugal.
>>
>>
>
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 23 2008 6:25 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Gordon <gonzo@alltomyself.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Gordon <gonzo@alltomyself.com> wrote:
>>> At the risk of looking like a spammer...
>>> This is actually a follow up to a post I made last week.
>>> I have uncovered some services that will stream
>>> network video and video on demand to your PC.
>>> Anyway, I'll keep you posted on this.
>>> After all, Eliminating the monthly cable bill without giving up TV is very frugal.
>> Changing to digital TV is even more frugal.
> I'm not following you Rod.
> Are you refering to over the air digital TV??
Yep. Costs you $10 if you do it the right way.
Get a coupon and then buy a cheap set top box from walmart etc.
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 23 2008 6:42 pm
From: George Grapman
Gordon wrote:
> OK, so this is quite intresting to know. It would appear
> that the sites are perpritrationg a massive faud then?
> After all they are advertising 9,000 channals of TV.
Aside from being illegal it is impossible. Local broadcasts stations
are delivered to satellite subscribers using what is called a spot beam
meaning that the signal is only seen in a small geographical area so
even with the proper equipment a viewer in San Francisco can not get the
locals from Chicago.
If you go to the site offering this I am almost certain will see
either no contact information,a yahoo/gmail/hotmail type address or a
contact form to fill out that offers no information about the "company".
A few years ago someone was flooding the baseball groups with this
stuff. When I asked for contact details I was given a PO Box in Las
Vegas and told that the only acceptable methods of payment were a money
order sent to the box made out to an individual or Western Union.
>
> I guess I'll have to do some more due diligence.
>
> Papadillos <papadillos@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:C434C1D8.D8D2%papadillos@hotmail.com:
>
>> It's best to Ask the Man Who Owns One beforehand. Google is Your
>> Friend. Thus, from a posting on DSLReports:
>>
>> "I subscribed but when I checked it out it was nothing but a front for
>> a porn website. All the regular clips can be found on you tube, since
>> that is where it send you when you want to see a video. Then there is
>> a link where it states you must be 18+, there you can see adult
>> videos. This website is terrible, don't subscribe."
>> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19233415-JohnQ-TV-Any-good
>>
>> (Actually, JohnQ's home page should have told you that...)
>>
>> I don't know the economics of it, but porn and gambling come-ons seem
>> to pay off for the sites that front for them. Click-and-pay, like
>> spam, seems to be based on the fact that even if 1/10 (or for that
>> matter 1/100) of 1% of those accosted buy the service, the spammer or
>> web sponsor makes a profit: his costs are virtually zero when spread
>> out over the 100 million addressees. So every time you click on a link
>> out of curiosity and even without any intention of buying, and whether
>> or not you do buy, the site owner gets money.
>>
>> Hence all those thousands of sites that have names based on
>> misspellings of other sites. (And I note that Amazon has bought up a
>> lot of those, such as Amazoon, Amaxon, etc. just to put an end to it
>> as far as they are concerned.)
>>
>>
>> On 23/04/2008 08:11, in article 6785omF2nub9oU1@mid.individual.net,
>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Gordon <gonzo@alltomyself.com> wrote:
>>>> At the risk of looking like a spammer...
>>>>
>>>> This is actually a follow up to a post I made
>>>> last week. I have uncovered some services that
>>>> will stream network video and video on demand
>>>> to your PC.
>>>>
>>>> I have not fully checked out these services, and
>>>> I have no relationship with any of them.
>>>>
>>>> Check them out at your own risk.
>>>>
>>>> www.direct-pctv.com
>>>> www.dishnetpc.com
>>>> www.priemiumtvforpc.com
>>>> www.watchtvonyourpc.net
>>>> www.johnQ.com
>>>>
>>>> Most of these sell you a piece of software that will
>>>> allow you to access their servers and view videos.
>>>> After that there is no monthly fee.
>>>> JohnQ (as best i can tell) is free and works with
>>>> a browser plugin. It could work with Linux.
>>>> One of them (I forget which) works with Windows
>>>> Media Player.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know how they make their money. Perhaps you
>>>> have to put up with commercials or there is a priemium
>>>> level of service that they try to sell you for a
>>>> monthly fee. I haven't tried any of them out yet so I
>>>> don't know what strings may be attached.
>>>>
>>>> If they work as advertised, they could be a viable alternitive
>>>> to Cable TV and their high monthly fees.
>>>>
>>>> Time to pull out my old laptop and see if it can handle
>>>> streaming video. If it can, I'll hook it to my TV (it
>>>> has a composite video out).
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, I'll keep you posted on this.
>>>> After all, Eliminating the monthly cable bill without
>>>> giving up TV is very frugal.
>>> Changing to digital TV is even more frugal.
>>>
>>>
>
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 23 2008 6:14 pm
From: strabo
Edward Dolan wrote:
> "strabo" <strabo@flashlight.net> wrote in message
> news:1208927140_480@isp.n...
>> Edward Dolan wrote:
>>> "Gunner Asch" <gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote in message
>>> news:ccft04lp3cps237doqr2ttqp104am68fn1@4ax.com...
>>>> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:16:53 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Gunner Asch" <gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:3u4r041cmagran78pj3cv4em3933kpo47b@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 21:47:34 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>> Well, I don't know about you either. You come onto this forum talking
>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>> running over cyclists and children with your gdf truck if they get in
>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>> way and then call everyone a cocksucker who objects. You tell me what
>>>>>>> I am
>>>>>>> suppose to think.
>>>>>> I came into this thread complaining about having bike riders force me
>>>>>> to go to extremes to keep from killing them on an all too regular
>>>>>> basis.
>>>>> He wants to murder someone. That is why he carries weapons.
>>>> Edtard wants to molest little children. Thats why he has a penis. (one
>>>> assumes he has one)
>>> You smarmy lagerlout git. You bloody woofter sod. Bugger off, pillock.
>>> You grotty wanking oik artless base-court apple-john. You clouted boggish
>>> foot-licking twit. You dankish clack-dish plonker. You gormless
>>> crook-pated tosser. You churlish boil-brained clotpole ponce. You
>>> cockered bum-bailey poofter. You craven dewberry pisshead cockup
>>> pratting
>>> naff. You gob-kissing gleeking flap-mouthed coxcomb. You dread-bolted
>>> fobbing beef-witted clapper-clawed flirt-gill.
>>>
>> You still here, Ed? Leave the survival news groups and don't come back.
>
> Can't you tell I am well the way to giving old Gunner Ass one last kick?
> Some survivalist you are! May you all perish in whatever coming catastrophe
> befalls us.
>
OK, give Gunner one kick in the ass and out ya go.
>
> Fucking Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
>
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== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 23 2008 7:34 pm
From: Tom Sherman
ComandanteBanana wrote:
> [...]Coops are the ideal in that there's no lion in
> them.[...]
But coops are full of chickens.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 23 2008 7:37 pm
From: Tom Sherman
Gunner Asch wrote:
> [...]
> You seem to forget that Denial is not a river in Egypt.
>
Denial is a full-size SUV from GM, but they mistakenly transpose it as
"Denali".
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 23 2008 7:41 pm
From: Tom Sherman
Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 07:24:48 -0700 (PDT), ComandanteBanana
> <nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On Apr 22, 9:34 pm, Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> Where you may have rescue.
>> Yeah, no more than a mile away from shore.
>
> Ayup. A PDF and some dog paddling and you are safe.
So I should take my computer with Acrobat Writer when boating? ;)
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 23 2008 8:54 pm
From: Jym Dyer
v> Is there a way to kill-filter both Dolan AND anyone
> who responds to his trollery?
=x= I use Emacs with gnus, which gives me the full power of
Lisp for filtering. I killfile Dolan by his email address,
and use some cross-posting detection to ditch the threads.
=x= A more full-blown approach would be to keep track of
the "Message-ID" fields and killfile followups based on the
"References" and/or "In-Reply-To" fields. I did something
like that some years back, but decided that I needn't waste
all that overhead on some stupid trolls; so the above is
what I do these days.
<_Jym_>
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 23 2008 6:33 pm
From: " Frank"
"George Grapman" <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote in message
news:9TPPj.285$To6.81@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net...
> When I upgraded to DSL I decided to keep my modem line because the
> savings were only a few dollars a month and since I have a home office it
> was a good idea to have a back up line.
>
> Last month I was getting poor quality on my main line so while they were
> trouble shooting I used the modem line. That line just has a dial tone,no
> enhanced features and no long distance. That evening a I wanted to make an
> out of state call so I used the MCI dial around code.
>
> When my bill arrived it showed $28 for a 13 minute call. Since I work in
> the industry and know the process I simply called AT&T and asked that the
> charge be removed. The rep immediately agreed (the fee AT&T gets for the
> billing is so small it is not worth their time). I know that one of two
> things will happen,MCI will write it off or send letters demanding payment
> but it will not go beyond this.
>
> I am posting this because I wanted others to be aware of some things:
>
> Your carrier can not suspend your service for non-payment for bills from
> another company. Other than trying to collect the charge that other
> company can only block you from using them again.
>
> Your service can not be suspended for non-payment of non-basic services
> such as Caller ID, three way or 900 numbers. They can only eliminate
> access to these services.
I had a few of business phone land lines with AT&T for years and they were
pretty good. I call in for billing disputes and AT&T would correct it on the
next billing cycle - never a problem with AT&T for years. Then I did a
stupid thing by switching the long distance portion to Sprint as the outside
Sprint sales person promised a better plan with better rate. Well, the
Sprint rep lied, Sprint refused to switch me back to AT&T and the rep refuse
to return my phone calls after leaving messages on her machine telling her
that was not the plan we agreed and we needed to resolve the issue before my
long distance is blocked. Sprint blocked my long distance anyway but
continued to bill me for many sequential months without providing any
services. Sprint did not allow me to switched back to AT&T or any other
carrier and had collection on my account. Sprint told me they couldn't do
anything with my account and that I have to resolve it directly with the
collection agency - major run around within Sprint hierarchy and with the
collection agencies. I told the collection agency to settle this in court
but they never did, they just send me collection letters once a year
instead. As soon as I tried to straighten it out with one collection agency,
a different agency send me another collection notice without any reference
to previous communications. This is still on going for 15 years, perhaps
with as many as 10 different collection agencies. Statue of limitation
expired more than a decade ago. The irony is Sprint is still trying to get
my business. No thanks, Sprint is unethical and I won't do business with
them ever again.
Anyone had this kind of problems with Sprint and how was it resolved, if at
all?
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 23 2008 6:47 pm
From: George Grapman
Frank wrote:
> "George Grapman" <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote in message
> news:9TPPj.285$To6.81@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net...
>> When I upgraded to DSL I decided to keep my modem line because the
>> savings were only a few dollars a month and since I have a home office it
>> was a good idea to have a back up line.
>>
>> Last month I was getting poor quality on my main line so while they were
>> trouble shooting I used the modem line. That line just has a dial tone,no
>> enhanced features and no long distance. That evening a I wanted to make an
>> out of state call so I used the MCI dial around code.
>>
>> When my bill arrived it showed $28 for a 13 minute call. Since I work in
>> the industry and know the process I simply called AT&T and asked that the
>> charge be removed. The rep immediately agreed (the fee AT&T gets for the
>> billing is so small it is not worth their time). I know that one of two
>> things will happen,MCI will write it off or send letters demanding payment
>> but it will not go beyond this.
>>
>> I am posting this because I wanted others to be aware of some things:
>>
>> Your carrier can not suspend your service for non-payment for bills from
>> another company. Other than trying to collect the charge that other
>> company can only block you from using them again.
>>
>> Your service can not be suspended for non-payment of non-basic services
>> such as Caller ID, three way or 900 numbers. They can only eliminate
>> access to these services.
>
>
> I had a few of business phone land lines with AT&T for years and they were
> pretty good. I call in for billing disputes and AT&T would correct it on the
> next billing cycle - never a problem with AT&T for years. Then I did a
> stupid thing by switching the long distance portion to Sprint as the outside
> Sprint sales person promised a better plan with better rate. Well, the
> Sprint rep lied, Sprint refused to switch me back to AT&T and the rep refuse
> to return my phone calls after leaving messages on her machine telling her
> that was not the plan we agreed and we needed to resolve the issue before my
> long distance is blocked. Sprint blocked my long distance anyway but
> continued to bill me for many sequential months without providing any
> services. Sprint did not allow me to switched back to AT&T or any other
> carrier and had collection on my account. Sprint told me they couldn't do
> anything with my account and that I have to resolve it directly with the
> collection agency - major run around within Sprint hierarchy and with the
> collection agencies. I told the collection agency to settle this in court
> but they never did, they just send me collection letters once a year
> instead. As soon as I tried to straighten it out with one collection agency,
> a different agency send me another collection notice without any reference
> to previous communications. This is still on going for 15 years, perhaps
> with as many as 10 different collection agencies. Statue of limitation
> expired more than a decade ago. The irony is Sprint is still trying to get
> my business. No thanks, Sprint is unethical and I won't do business with
> them ever again.
>
> Anyone had this kind of problems with Sprint and how was it resolved, if at
> all?
>
>
A friend had Sprint tied in with Earthlink. He was having problems
with both and started out from scratch getting a new phone number and
DSL from AT&T. Sprint is still billing him two years later for the
remaining months on his contract.
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 23 2008 8:54 pm
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:33:36 -0700, " Frank"
<noreplay@nothome.net> wrote:
>
>"George Grapman" <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote in message
>news:9TPPj.285$To6.81@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net...
>> When I upgraded to DSL I decided to keep my modem line because the
>> savings were only a few dollars a month and since I have a home office it
>> was a good idea to have a back up line.
>>
>> Last month I was getting poor quality on my main line so while they were
>> trouble shooting I used the modem line. That line just has a dial tone,no
>> enhanced features and no long distance. That evening a I wanted to make an
>> out of state call so I used the MCI dial around code.
>>
>> When my bill arrived it showed $28 for a 13 minute call. Since I work in
>> the industry and know the process I simply called AT&T and asked that the
>> charge be removed. The rep immediately agreed (the fee AT&T gets for the
>> billing is so small it is not worth their time). I know that one of two
>> things will happen,MCI will write it off or send letters demanding payment
>> but it will not go beyond this.
>>
>> I am posting this because I wanted others to be aware of some things:
>>
>> Your carrier can not suspend your service for non-payment for bills from
>> another company. Other than trying to collect the charge that other
>> company can only block you from using them again.
>>
>> Your service can not be suspended for non-payment of non-basic services
>> such as Caller ID, three way or 900 numbers. They can only eliminate
>> access to these services.
>
>
>I had a few of business phone land lines with AT&T for years and they were
>pretty good. I call in for billing disputes and AT&T would correct it on the
>next billing cycle - never a problem with AT&T for years. Then I did a
>stupid thing by switching the long distance portion to Sprint as the outside
>Sprint sales person promised a better plan with better rate. Well, the
>Sprint rep lied, Sprint refused to switch me back to AT&T and the rep refuse
>to return my phone calls after leaving messages on her machine telling her
>that was not the plan we agreed and we needed to resolve the issue before my
>long distance is blocked. Sprint blocked my long distance anyway but
>continued to bill me for many sequential months without providing any
>services. Sprint did not allow me to switched back to AT&T or any other
>carrier and had collection on my account. Sprint told me they couldn't do
>anything with my account and that I have to resolve it directly with the
>collection agency - major run around within Sprint hierarchy and with the
>collection agencies. I told the collection agency to settle this in court
>but they never did, they just send me collection letters once a year
>instead. As soon as I tried to straighten it out with one collection agency,
>a different agency send me another collection notice without any reference
>to previous communications. This is still on going for 15 years, perhaps
>with as many as 10 different collection agencies. Statue of limitation
>expired more than a decade ago. The irony is Sprint is still trying to get
>my business. No thanks, Sprint is unethical and I won't do business with
>them ever again.
>
>Anyone had this kind of problems with Sprint and how was it resolved, if at
>all?
>
LOL! Sprint is scum, but their greed got the better of them with me.
I once had a cell phone with Sprint, which also tied into my long
distance service on my land line, providing me with 30? 60? minutes of
free long distance. When I terminated my cell phone service, there
was a credit to the account of about $13. Sprint never repaid the
$13, and for about 10 years I was able to have free long distance on
my land line for calls when I missed using the dial-around numbers.
Sprint ended up paying ofr at least ten times the $13 that could have
been repaid to me. Sometimes there is justice.
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 23 2008 8:01 pm
From: George Grapman
hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:33:36 -0700, " Frank"
> <noreplay@nothome.net> wrote:
>
>> "George Grapman" <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote in message
>> news:9TPPj.285$To6.81@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net...
>>> When I upgraded to DSL I decided to keep my modem line because the
>>> savings were only a few dollars a month and since I have a home office it
>>> was a good idea to have a back up line.
>>>
>>> Last month I was getting poor quality on my main line so while they were
>>> trouble shooting I used the modem line. That line just has a dial tone,no
>>> enhanced features and no long distance. That evening a I wanted to make an
>>> out of state call so I used the MCI dial around code.
>>>
>>> When my bill arrived it showed $28 for a 13 minute call. Since I work in
>>> the industry and know the process I simply called AT&T and asked that the
>>> charge be removed. The rep immediately agreed (the fee AT&T gets for the
>>> billing is so small it is not worth their time). I know that one of two
>>> things will happen,MCI will write it off or send letters demanding payment
>>> but it will not go beyond this.
>>>
>>> I am posting this because I wanted others to be aware of some things:
>>>
>>> Your carrier can not suspend your service for non-payment for bills from
>>> another company. Other than trying to collect the charge that other
>>> company can only block you from using them again.
>>>
>>> Your service can not be suspended for non-payment of non-basic services
>>> such as Caller ID, three way or 900 numbers. They can only eliminate
>>> access to these services.
>>
>> I had a few of business phone land lines with AT&T for years and they were
>> pretty good. I call in for billing disputes and AT&T would correct it on the
>> next billing cycle - never a problem with AT&T for years. Then I did a
>> stupid thing by switching the long distance portion to Sprint as the outside
>> Sprint sales person promised a better plan with better rate. Well, the
>> Sprint rep lied, Sprint refused to switch me back to AT&T and the rep refuse
>> to return my phone calls after leaving messages on her machine telling her
>> that was not the plan we agreed and we needed to resolve the issue before my
>> long distance is blocked. Sprint blocked my long distance anyway but
>> continued to bill me for many sequential months without providing any
>> services. Sprint did not allow me to switched back to AT&T or any other
>> carrier and had collection on my account. Sprint told me they couldn't do
>> anything with my account and that I have to resolve it directly with the
>> collection agency - major run around within Sprint hierarchy and with the
>> collection agencies. I told the collection agency to settle this in court
>> but they never did, they just send me collection letters once a year
>> instead. As soon as I tried to straighten it out with one collection agency,
>> a different agency send me another collection notice without any reference
>> to previous communications. This is still on going for 15 years, perhaps
>> with as many as 10 different collection agencies. Statue of limitation
>> expired more than a decade ago. The irony is Sprint is still trying to get
>> my business. No thanks, Sprint is unethical and I won't do business with
>> them ever again.
>>
>> Anyone had this kind of problems with Sprint and how was it resolved, if at
>> all?
>>
>
> LOL! Sprint is scum, but their greed got the better of them with me.
> I once had a cell phone with Sprint, which also tied into my long
> distance service on my land line, providing me with 30? 60? minutes of
> free long distance. When I terminated my cell phone service, there
> was a credit to the account of about $13. Sprint never repaid the
> $13, and for about 10 years I was able to have free long distance on
> my land line for calls when I missed using the dial-around numbers.
> Sprint ended up paying ofr at least ten times the $13 that could have
> been repaid to me. Sometimes there is justice.
>
Remember when long distance providers sent checks to people to get
them to switch over?
Sprint mailed packages to people in Hispanic areas with Spanish
language brochures. The only English language part of the package was on
the check where it said cashing the check gave them permission to switch
your service.
They were eventually nailed for consumer fraud.
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 23 2008 9:34 pm
From: Mark Anderson
In article sfgeorge@paccbell.net says...
> I am posting this because I wanted others to be aware of some things:
>
> Your carrier can not suspend your service for non-payment for bills
> from another company. Other than trying to collect the charge that other
> company can only block you from using them again.
It's still a hassle trying to get an AT&T customer rep on the phone let
alone all the conflict involved dealing with some collection agency. I
prefer the pay as you go calling cards. They're convenient, can be used
anywhere from any phone, and you don't have to worry about some weird
charge ever. I have been a happy customer of onesuite.com for many
years and have used them overseas to call the states for real cheap.
Hotels always try and rip you off with long distance but since the
calling card uses a toll free access number, the hotels can only charge
you for a local call which is usually peanuts or just flat out waived
when you check out.
I got rid of all long distance about 7 years ago and have never looked
back.
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 23 2008 8:30 pm
From: gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)
In article <679a3cF2n9tshU1@mid.individual.net>,
Ivor Jones <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
[ ... ]
>There is a simple rule when it comes to email, or Usenet for that matter -
>don't type anything you would not be happy for the world to read.
I tell people to regard email as a postcard that is likely to fall into the
hands of their worst enemy, and to assume that it will. Sometimes, they
actually believe me.
>With that in mind, I have no problem with Google mail, I pass all my mail
>through a gmail account in order to take advantage of their excellent spam
>filters.
Must only be on the incoming email.
Gary
--
Gary Heston gheston@hiwaay.net
http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/
Barack and Hillary, sitting in a tree, H-I-S-S-I-N-G;
First comes a primary, then an election;
Next thing you know, McCain's getting sworn in.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 23 2008 11:03 pm
From: Appelation Controlee
On 23 Apr 2008 05:25:15 GMT, thanatoid wrote:
> Appelation Controlee <me@privacy.net> wrote in
> news:f4eh21b01ty1$.t5t3gjjvj0bq.dlg@40tude.net:
>
>> On 20 Apr 2008 18:06:16 GMT, thanatoid wrote:
>>
>> -------------------8><
>>> All Internet Surveillance Providers ...
>>
>> Paranoid, or misinformed?
>
> No comment.
>
> BTW, (assuming Reply-To is genuine) enjoy your gmail account.
> Google IS the promise of eternal life come true, you know - at
> least for all your email.
It's genuine, but I only read mail there when notified.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 23 2008 11:09 pm
From: Appelation Controlee
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:31:19 +0100, Ivor Jones wrote:
> With that in mind, I have no problem with Google mail, I pass all my mail
> through a gmail account in order to take advantage of their excellent spam
> filters.
I do the same. I used to run POPfile (which, after a period of training,
produces very good results) but Gmail is even better.
And yes, inbound only, as noted by Gary.
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