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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 4 2008 5:18 pm
From: "Bear"

I buy frames off eBay. I stick with metal ones because unless you are buying
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brittle. I have 14K gold ones from 1830 that I got for $95, probably less
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"timeOday" <timeOday-UNSPAM@theknack.net> wrote in message
news:2IednbXADJ0KrWvanZ2dnUVZ_hqdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Bear wrote:
>> So it's $107 for the lenses or does that include the frames too? I
>> usually
>> use:
>> http://www.globaleyeglasses.com
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>> http://www.eyeglassfactoryoutlet.com
>> I recycle my frames. You can't do it with plastic very well.
>>
>
> $107 is just the lenses. I'll look into those links.
>
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 4 2008 5:47 pm
From: zzbunker

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> http://www.vdare.com/ V-Dare

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>
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Date: Fri, Apr 4 2008 9:12 pm
From: Logan Shaw

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> Anyone know anything about Travelers car insurance? Their web site
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>
> I am currently with Progressive, and remember one time several years
> ago when I rear ended someone, and Progressive didn't want to pay
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I've had Traveler's for a while. I've never (thankfully) had to make
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Date: Fri, Apr 4 2008 9:21 pm
From: " Frank"

"Goomba38" <Goomba38@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> larry wrote:
>> Do the Europeans have a more water conserving shower system with their
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>>
>> Anyone using these in the US? Pros / Cons?
>>
>> Thanks-
>>
>> -- larry/dallas
>
> The fact that it is hand held has nothing to do with water savings. A
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> I personally love adjustable wall mount/hand held showerheads. You can get
> them everywhere now.

I use both fixed and a handheld switching form one to the other with a
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 4 2008 9:24 pm
From: Logan Shaw

larry wrote:
> Do the Europeans have a more water conserving shower system with their
> handheld shower? They seem to have a built in valve as well. I think
> it would save water, even over the low-flow shower heads, if you only
> put the water you need, where you want it.
>
> Anyone using these in the US? Pros / Cons?

I'm in the US and have one. I like it. I do my stretching exercises
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Mine has a valve in it to stop the flow when you're not using it. In
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Date: Fri, Apr 4 2008 9:33 pm
From: " Frank"

"The Real Bev" <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Vic Smith wrote:
>
>> <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote:
>>>The Real Bev wrote:
>>>> George Grapman wrote:
>>>>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>>> I get at least one call per day from some home-improvement
>>>>>> contracting company -- not the same one, all different. I also get
>>>>>> the occasional recorded call from somebody probably offering loans by
>>>>>> telling me "there's a problem with my account."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why do contractors feel they're exempt? Do they prey on the stupid
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sometimes I try to get the name and phone number to report them, but
>>>>>> I'm pretty much sure that's a waste of my time. Way easier to just
>>>>>> snarl at them, even if I know it makes no difference.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have posted details a will be happy to do it again bur basically
>>>>> if the company is in your state and you can determine their location
>>>>> small claims court is a great remedy.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, but I was actually womdering more about why contractors and loan
>>>> companies as opposed to, say, housecleaning services or used-car shops.
>>>
>>> Good question-The majority of my callers are carpet cleaning,credit
>>> repair and refis.
>>>>
>>>> I think I should keep a whistle nearby. "Wait just a minute, I have to
>>>> get something..."
>>>>
>> Since I put my name on the DNC list a couple years ago, all such calls
>> stopped. Used to get every variety, now only charities and political.
>> So why is it working for me and not you?
>
> Because my feet stink and I don't love Jesus?
>
> About the only charity calls I get are from various police benevolent
> associations. I used to be polite to them -- they know where I live --
> but every once in a while the police announce that they NEVER authorize
> such things so now I'm rude, but not rude enough to earn being put on a
> list just in case they ARE police-authorized.
>
>> Anybody else it has worked for?
>
> It's certainly cut down the number. I figure it's only local businesses
> who offend now -- big nationwide companies have too much face to lose if
> they're singled out as an example.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Bev
> *******************************************
> "I've learned that you can keep puking long
> after you think you're finished." -- SL

Don't understand why they need donations when the chief nets $250K, captain
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 4 2008 9:41 pm
From: " Frank"

<watcher@moog.netaxs.com> wrote in message
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> In article <JbidnV8pjcyrs2vanZ2dnUVZ_s7inZ2d@comcast.com>, timeOday wrote:
>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>> George Grapman wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>> I get at least one call per day from some home-improvement
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>>>>> telling me "there's a problem with my account."
>>>>>
>>>>> Why do contractors feel they're exempt? Do they prey on the stupid
>>>>> who don't know about the do-not-call list? Do they just not care?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sometimes I try to get the name and phone number to report them, but
>>>>> I'm pretty much sure that's a waste of my time. Way easier to just
>>>>> snarl at them, even if I know it makes no difference.
>>>>
>>>> I have posted details a will be happy to do it again bur basically
>>>> if the company is in your state and you can determine their location
>>>> small claims court is a great remedy.
>>>
>>> Yeah, but I was actually womdering more about why contractors and loan
>>> companies as opposed to, say, housecleaning services or used-car shops.
>>>
>>
>> Maybe the downturn in the housing industry is making them desperate?
>
> More the downturn in the economy. I had some plumbing work done about a
> month
> ago and the plumber told me that I was the first job he's had all
> week(this
> was on a Thursday), and that he's been seeing the same small number of
> jobs
> for the past several months. Apparently, a lot of people are insecure
> about
> whether their jobs will last and are deferring maintenance and repair
> until
> times get better. It may be that this attitude is widespread enough that
> the
> contractors are getting desparate for business.
>
>
> W.

Don't think it has to do with the economy all that much. Plumbers priced
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 4 2008 10:16 pm
From: JonL

Joe wrote:
> My water bill just was increased about 30% so I'm thinking I need to
> install low-flow showerheads. Can anyone recommend a decent brand that
> won't have me end with flat hair?

What's better than low-flow is No-flow. Just turn it off after wetting
down. Turn back on when ready to rinse. That's what we had to do when
we had 1500 Marines aboard our aircraft carrier.

Why wouldest a lower flow flatten hair.....??

tip: use a shower cap, after showering wash hair in sink with purified
water. Chlorine is hell on hair, skin, lungs, etc.

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