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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 21 2008 12:12 am
From: Steve Ball

Tom Keats:

> In article <slrng0o89i.qpk.don@manx.misty.com>,
> don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) writes:
>
>> The main offense of cyclists against cars is running red lights while
>> cars that have green lights have expectations of right-of-way.
>
> Bullshit! Riders do /not/ suicidally barge into
> cross traffic. No rational person does.

He didn't say they did. Just that they stop bikes run far more red lights
than cars generally do.

>> Second to that, is cyclists stopping less for stop signs than cars do.
>
> Bullshit! Obligatory stopping ain't a patch on
> yielding and observing whether it's safe to go
> or not. Drivers might stop or slow down a little,
> and then go, without looking at what they're getting
> into. We riders know that we can get totally fucked up
> by riding into what we're not looking at.

I'm both a cyclist and a motorist. I always stop at stop signs and red
lights in the car. It's easy. Cyclists have to uncleat, get out of the
saddle, put a foot down, and then get the hard-earned momentum back, and
tend to stop less often. I know, I ride in a bunch that runs more red
lights/stop signs in an hour than I do in the car in a year.

You have a one-sided view of this. Do you not also drive a car?

Steve = : ^ )

>> In my experience, motorists offend cyclists
>> worst by shifting lanes without prior warning via a turn signal.
>
> In my experience, motorists offend cyclists worst
> by signalling a right turn until a cyclist coming
> up from behind hauls-up on their left side. Then
> the motorist decides he wants to make a left turn,
> and changes his turn indicators while the cyclist
> can't see 'em. That pisses me off to no end. It
> pisses me off so much, I'd almost like to hunt those
> drivers down and shoot their nose-tips or kneecaps
> off with a well-scoped, set-triggered .22-250.
>
>
> But I'm not a violent person. I don't wanna
> have to hurt anybody. No right-minded person
> does. So just stay outa cyclists' hair, and
> all will be well.

--
Steve = : ^ )

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 21 2008 12:34 am
From: tkeats2005@hotmail.com (Tom Keats)

In article <C4327B94.21839%pretty_good@every.thing>,
Steve Ball <pretty_good@every.thing> writes:
> Tom Keats:
>
>> In article <slrng0o89i.qpk.don@manx.misty.com>,
>> don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) writes:
>>
>>> The main offense of cyclists against cars is running red lights while
>>> cars that have green lights have expectations of right-of-way.
>>
>> Bullshit! Riders do /not/ suicidally barge into
>> cross traffic. No rational person does.
>
> He didn't say they did. Just that they stop bikes run far more red lights
> than cars generally do.

If a vehicle operator goes through a red light at a minor
intersection when there's no cross-traffic, where's the harm?
>
>>> Second to that, is cyclists stopping less for stop signs than cars do.
>>
>> Bullshit! Obligatory stopping ain't a patch on
>> yielding and observing whether it's safe to go
>> or not. Drivers might stop or slow down a little,
>> and then go, without looking at what they're getting
>> into. We riders know that we can get totally fucked up
>> by riding into what we're not looking at.
>
> I'm both a cyclist and a motorist. I always stop at stop signs and red
> lights in the car. It's easy. Cyclists have to uncleat, get out of the
> saddle, put a foot down, and then get the hard-earned momentum back, and
> tend to stop less often.

I ride always, and yet I don't burst forth into where angels
fear to tread.

[...]

> I know, I ride in a bunch that runs more red
> lights/stop signs in an hour than I do in the car in a year.

I hope nobody gets clobbered. But when people ride
like they drive, what can ya expect?

[...]

> You have a one-sided view of this. Do you not also drive a car?

No. Never have; never will. I admit to occasionally
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== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 21 2008 1:25 am
From: Gunner Asch

On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:44:39 -0700, tkeats2005@hotmail.com (Tom Keats)
wrote:

>In article <slrng0o89i.qpk.don@manx.misty.com>,
> don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) writes:
>
>> The main offense of cyclists against cars is running red lights while
>> cars that have green lights have expectations of right-of-way.
>
>Bullshit! Riders do /not/ suicidally barge into
>cross traffic. No rational person does.

You are claiming riders are rational people?

Ive nearly wiped out at least 5 such individuals over the last 10 yrs.
>
>> Second to that, is cyclists stopping less for stop signs than cars do.
>
>Bullshit! Obligatory stopping ain't a patch on
>yielding and observing whether it's safe to go
>or not. Drivers might stop or slow down a little,
>and then go, without looking at what they're getting
>into. We riders know that we can get totally fucked up
>by riding into what we're not looking at.
>
I guess thats why so many get killed or maimed running lights.

>> Third place is cyclists doing less yielding to the vehicle to the right
>> (when both vehicles arrive at the intersection at the same time) at
>> intersections controlled by stop signs or at uncontrolled
>> intersections.
>>
>> 4th place is cyclists getting adventurous at intersections controlled by
>> stop signs, while not all roads entering the intersection are required to
>> stop.
>
>See above.
>
>> Motorists also offend.
>
>You can say that again.
>
>> In my experience, motorists offend cyclists
>> worst by shifting lanes without prior warning via a turn signal.
>
>In my experience, motorists offend cyclists worst
>by signalling a right turn until a cyclist coming
>up from behind hauls-up on their left side. Then
>the motorist decides he wants to make a left turn,
>and changes his turn indicators while the cyclist
>can't see 'em. That pisses me off to no end. It
>pisses me off so much, I'd almost like to hunt those
>drivers down and shoot their nose-tips or kneecaps
>off with a well-scoped, set-triggered .22-250.

Ill remember that the next time a rider blows a stopsign right in
front of me, or a red light. I think my insurance will cover a new
front clip and windshield.
>
>
>But I'm not a violent person. I don't wanna
>have to hurt anybody. No right-minded person
>does. So just stay outa cyclists' hair, and
>all will be well.

Stay out of cyclists hair???????

How about if everyone, bike riders as well, simply obey the fucking
Vehicle Code?

Gunner

"[L]iberals are afraid to state what they truly believe in, for to do so
would result in even less votes than they currently receive. Their
methodology is to lie about their real agenda in the hopes of regaining
power, at which point they will do whatever they damn well please. The
problem is they have concealed and obfuscated for so long that, as a group,
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== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 21 2008 1:31 am
From: Gunner Asch

On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:17:34 -0700, tkeats2005@hotmail.com (Tom Keats)
wrote:

>In article <636o0499k3lttu0fcpq76sm7fo72a1itne@4ax.com>,
> Gunner Asch <gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> writes:
>
>> And everyone who has ever drivin a motor vehicle around bike riders
>> has had the bike riders bully them.
>>
>> Its a wonder to me that they simply dont just twitch the wheel a
>> smidge, far more often than they do.
>
>Yeah, right. We're just asking for it. You car drivers
>are such victims.
>
>Maybe you should have trauma counselors to help
>you get over being bullied by us bicyclists,
>ya pussies.

Tommy boy...I drive a big assed vehicle for a living. Ive had (1)
motor vehicle citation in 9 MILLION miles, and that for crossing a
double yellow line into the car pool lane to avoid a moron swerving
all over the lane next to mine while fighting with his cell phone.

I mention that big assed vehicle, because it really doesnt care if it
turns a rider into a red smear on the pavement or not, and its not
likely to even be slowed down a smidge by chewing one up and spitting
it out, bike and all.

It also takes a significantly longer time frame to come to a dead
stop. A time frame many riders evidently seem to be unaware of, as
they act like the oncoming vehicle is a 10 yr old on a skateboard.

How about you and yours simply obeying the Vehicle Code and not press
your luck playing Chicken with 15,000 lb moving mounds of steel?

Gunner

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 21 2008 2:09 am
From: "Edward Dolan"

"Gunner Asch" <gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote in message
news:qp5o041afel0uhuuisrk91vl697ffpdua6@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 13:15:41 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>Gunner wants to run over and kill (murder) children if they impede his
>>forward progress with his truck, carrying all those valuable parts and
>>tools
>>you know. Christ ... if only I had some parts and tools and a truck to
>>drive
>>them in like he does, then I could murder children too. Life is not fair!
>
>
> Now that you have exposed your paranoia and idioucy Dedwood, please
> post the relevant portions of my posts to back up your claim.

Hells Bells - something about running over cyclists and children with your
god damn fucking truck if they get in your way.

> If you are unable to do so, then be reminded that A..you can be sued
> for such comments, obviously lies, and B, you can be beaten to within
> an inch of your life for being a lying cocksucker.

Which do you want to do - sue or suck cock?

> Dedward..you are a Darwin event waiting to happen. Your arrogance
> and/or stupidity will get you killed or maimed and Ill be sorry that
> it happens because then some poor bastard will have to live with the
> fallout for the rest of their lives.
>
> Why not simply slit your wrists now and save that person the heart
> ache?

I am still waiting to hear what prison you were in for your crimes against
society.

Fucking Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 21 2008 2:13 am
From: "Edward Dolan"

"Gunner Asch" <gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote in message
news:v16o049ijeed5u4se1faq9r50hk7d2temq@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 13:19:11 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>If I had name like pyotr filipivich I would find a hole to crawl in and
>>die.
>
> Im [I'm] sure most Dolans feel the same about you.

The Slavic moron does not even capitalize his own name. I mean, just how
dumb can you get!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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>
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>
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>
> As for Eliot's mother, no longer as fearful of deportation, she told
> CBS News her name, Fabiola, and her story.
>
> "So your son is an American citizen. What does that mean to you?"
> Pitts asked.
>
> "I am very glad that he was born. That's why I came here - so my
> children, my husband and I could have a better life," she said through
> a translator.
>
> Back in December, when she was six months pregnant, Fabiola, her
> husband and their two daughters - ages 4 and 11 - crossed the Rio
> Grande from Mexico into the U.S.
>
> Once on the other side of the river they walked for two hours in
> search of a better life and free medical care for their unborn child.
>
> "Do many women in Mexico make the choice to have their children in the
> United States?" Pitts asked.
>
> "Yes," she said through a translator. "I know people who have done
> that. Things are much better here in the U.S. because they help
> children so much more."
>
> It's a "better" life ... that American taxpayers help pay for.
>
> Take healthcare for example -- an estimated $1.1 billion per year for
> undocumented men, women and children, according to the Rand
> Corporation.
>
> Joe Riley is the CEO of the McAllen Texas Medical Center near the
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>
> Riley has seen and heard it all.
>
> "Mothers about to give birth that walk up to the hospital still wet
> from swimming across the river in actual labor ... dirty, wet, cold," he
> said.
>
> But here to have a child?
>
> "Here to have a child in the U.S.," he said.
>
> McAllen is part of a large hospital system. Like all hospitals, it is
> mandated by law to treat all emergency-room patients, not verify
> citizenship.
>
> "We have uncompensated care of over $200 million a year," Riley said.
>
> "Of money that you'll never see again?" Pitts asked.
>
> "Yes," he said.
>
> Rep. Lamar Smith, R-Texas, said: "It is not fair to the taxpayers who
> have to foot the bill."
>
> Congress has all but given up on comprehensive immigration reform. But
> lawmakers like Smith want to solve birth citizenship to illegal
> immigrants, in part by challenging the 14th Amendment, which
> guarantees U.S. citizenship to any child born in America.
>
> "It seems fundamentally wrong that we ought to give the greatest honor
> of their citizenship," Smith said. "His or her mother came across the
> border illegally."
>
> Many Americans who struggle to take care of their own families think
> it is unfair that they should take care of a family and they are not
> U.S. citizens.
>
> "I don't understand the resentment," said. "I know that God will help
> them, too."
>
> That's what Fabiola's doing for young Eliot. Relying on her faith, her
> family ... and the U.S. government.
>
> MMVIII, CBS Interactive Inc. All Rights R

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