Monday, April 28, 2008

26 new messages in 6 topics - digest

misc.consumers.frugal-living
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living?hl=en

misc.consumers.frugal-living@googlegroups.com

Today's topics:

* Horn Blowing = Lion's Roar? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/289bcedc5b3b7957?hl=en
* Illegal Aliens ( breeders) come to US for free births-and anchor babies - 19
messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/3377e961b5983825?hl=en
* Saturn cars- more cracked cylinder heads due to mfgr flaws - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/0ef997e9c9515ba0?hl=en
* Coupon for digital Tv converter - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/dae5c3a13fe8def8?hl=en
* The Cost of Cheap Food - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/6fe8980c51f3505a?hl=en
* CA escrow fee?? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/9db0c4ffe1187c84?hl=en

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TOPIC: Horn Blowing = Lion's Roar?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/289bcedc5b3b7957?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 12:57 pm
From: ComandanteBanana


(This comment interprets horn blowing. My own interpretation is found
below.)

Horn Blowing: Interpreting the Message.

If someone honks a horn at you, the meaning is all in the duration. A
really brief "Bip!" means "Hi!" or "Bye!" A moderately short beep
means, "I just want you to realize I'm here." Somewhere between a
second and maybe two seconds means, "I'm here and I am annoyed at your
heedlessness." Over two seconds it means, "I'm pissed off at you,
JERK!" Longer than three seconds it means, "I'm pissed off at this
whole situation! And I am frustrated that I can't do anything more
effective than sit here and blow my horn. Boy am I
frustrated!" (Usually employed in traffic jams to make people around
you even more frustrated too.)

Repeated honks are either repetitions of the above (sorted by blast
duration) or monotone musical "Hellos" if done in cadence with known
tunes like "Shave and a haircut: two bits!" (Meant to be friendly.)

http://www.dahon.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=5105&st=0&gopid=37361&#entry37361


Like I said somewhere else: most of the time the vehicle's blowing the
horn is equivalent to the lion's roar...

"Hey, this is my territory and you better get lost --or else I eat
you!"

And guess what the monkey riding the bike said... "Yes, you can eat my
banana!"

WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE
http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote


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TOPIC: Illegal Aliens ( breeders) come to US for free births-and anchor babies
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/3377e961b5983825?hl=en
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== 1 of 19 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 1:08 pm
From: "Seth Hammond"

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:67moc8F2ps2tkU1@mid.individual.net...
> Larry in AZ <usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>> Sure, but even if the land borders were completely sealed,
>>> those that currently show up using scheduled commercial
>>> aircraft flights would still do that. Those are the absolute
>>> vast bulk of the more than half that dont currently get caught.
>
>> Cites for that claim..?
>
> The hordes of illegal overstayers on tourist visas.

And work visas, and student visas....


== 2 of 19 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 1:26 pm
From: William Souden


Larry in AZ wrote:
> Waiving the right to remain silent, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
> said:
>
>> Sure, but even if the land borders were completely sealed, those that
>> currently show up using scheduled commercial aircraft flights would
>> still do that. Those are the absolute vast bulk of the more than half
>> that dont currently get caught.
>
> Cites for that claim..?
>
You expect a cite from welfare boy?

== 3 of 19 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 1:28 pm
From: Larry in AZ


Waiving the right to remain silent, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
said:

> Larry in AZ <usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>> Sure, but even if the land borders were completely sealed, those that
>>> currently show up using scheduled commercial aircraft flights would
>>> still do that. Those are the absolute vast bulk of the more than half
>>> that dont currently get caught.
>
>> Cites for that claim..?
>
> The hordes of illegal overstayers on tourist visas.

So you claim. A cite is a reference supporting a claim, not another
unsupported claim.

See how that works..?

(I tire of teaching these kids...)

--
Larry J. - Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to e-mail

"A lack of common sense is now considered a disability,
with all the privileges that this entails."

== 4 of 19 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 1:48 pm
From: "Rod Speed"


Larry in AZ <usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Larry in AZ <usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>>> Sure, but even if the land borders were completely sealed,
>>>> those that currently show up using scheduled commercial
>>>> aircraft flights would still do that. Those are the absolute
>>>> vast bulk of the more than half that dont currently get caught.

>>> Cites for that claim..?

>> The hordes of illegal overstayers on tourist visas.

> So you claim.

Anyone with a clue can see the number of those and other illegal visa overstayers
that get caught, usually as a result of their criminal activitys, and compare the number
who have illegally overstayed their visa with those who never had any legal entry at all.

> A cite is a reference supporting a claim, not another unsupported claim.

I wont be bothering to provide a cite for the claim that W was elected twice either, fuckwit.

You dont get to demand a cite for something as common as that.

> See how that works..?

Yep, fools like you demand cites for stuff everyone knows happens.

> (I tire of teaching these kids...)

I'm older than you thanks, fuckwit.


== 5 of 19 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 2:55 pm
From: Klete Kasper


On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 05:24:04 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> mumbled:

>Klete Kasper <coug@wa.zu> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>> but it is a lot harder to elude immigration at an airport than along a land border.
>
>>> Nope, you just say you are a tourist and dont bother going home.
>
>> How ya figger that's working for the muzzies these days...
>
>Plenty of them still show up that way.

Cite?

>> think maybe their passport info. isn't flagged and logged?
>
>Completely trivial to get a false passport.

And those don't get recgnized?

== 6 of 19 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 2:55 pm
From: Klete Kasper


On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 05:24:50 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> mumbled:

>> is that everyone going through an airport at least undergoes a cursory screening.
>
>Irrelevant, they get thru anyway by claiming to be tourists, stupid.


Prove it.

Cite.

== 7 of 19 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 2:55 pm
From: Larry in AZ


Waiving the right to remain silent, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
said:

> Larry in AZ <usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Larry in AZ <usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>>> Sure, but even if the land borders were completely sealed, those
>>>>> that currently show up using scheduled commercial aircraft flights
>>>>> would still do that. Those are the absolute vast bulk of the more
>>>>> than half that dont currently get caught.
>
>>>> Cites for that claim..?
>
>>> The hordes of illegal overstayers on tourist visas.
>
>> So you claim.
>
> Anyone with a clue can see the number of those and other illegal visa
> overstayers that get caught, usually as a result of their criminal
> activitys, and compare the number who have illegally overstayed their
> visa with those who never had any legal entry at all.
>
>> A cite is a reference supporting a claim, not another unsupported
>> claim.
>
> I wont be bothering to provide a cite for the claim that W was elected
> twice either, fuckwit.
>
> You dont get to demand a cite for something as common as that.
>
>> See how that works..?
>
> Yep, fools like you demand cites for stuff everyone knows happens.

You made a specific claim about numbers. Prove it, asshat.

>
>> (I tire of teaching these kids...)
>
> I'm older than you thanks, fuckwit.

And you know that how, dipshit..? Is this as out-of-your-ass as your
other claims..?

--
Larry J. - Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to e-mail

"A lack of common sense is now considered a disability,
with all the privileges that this entails."

== 8 of 19 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 2:56 pm
From: Klete Kasper


On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 05:54:46 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> mumbled:

>Larry in AZ <usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>> Sure, but even if the land borders were completely sealed,
>>> those that currently show up using scheduled commercial
>>> aircraft flights would still do that. Those are the absolute
>>> vast bulk of the more than half that dont currently get caught.
>
>> Cites for that claim..?
>
>The hordes of illegal overstayers on tourist visas.
>
Use a factual url, or SHADDUP!

== 9 of 19 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 2:56 pm
From: Klete Kasper


On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 06:48:15 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> mumbled:

>I wont be bothering to provide a cite

This comes as no surprise at all.

== 10 of 19 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 3:04 pm
From: "Rod Speed"


Klete Kasper <coug@wa.zu> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>> is that everyone going through an airport at least undergoes a cursory screening.

>> Irrelevant, they get thru anyway by claiming to be tourists, stupid.

> Prove it.

Go and fuck yourself.

> Cite.

See above.


== 11 of 19 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 3:06 pm
From: "Rod Speed"


Klete Kasper <coug@wa.zu> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Klete Kasper <coug@wa.zu> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>> but it is a lot harder to elude immigration at an airport than along a land border.

>>>> Nope, you just say you are a tourist and dont bother going home.

>>> How ya figger that's working for the muzzies these days...

>> Plenty of them still show up that way.

> Cite?

Even someone as stupid as you should be able to find the numbers who show up on tourist
visas, if someone was actually stupid enough to lend you a seeing eye dog and a white cane.

The other visas in spades.

>>> think maybe their passport info. isn't flagged and logged?

>> Completely trivial to get a false passport.

> And those don't get recgnized?

Not even possible with the best of them.


== 12 of 19 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 3:09 pm
From: "Rod Speed"


Larry in AZ <usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Larry in AZ <usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Larry in AZ <usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>>> Sure, but even if the land borders were completely sealed,
>>>>>> those that currently show up using scheduled commercial
>>>>>> aircraft flights would still do that. Those are the absolute
>>>>>> vast bulk of the more than half that dont currently get caught.

>>>>> Cites for that claim..?

>>>> The hordes of illegal overstayers on tourist visas.

>>> So you claim.

>> Anyone with a clue can see the number of those and other illegal visa
>> overstayers that get caught, usually as a result of their criminal
>> activitys, and compare the number who have illegally overstayed their
>> visa with those who never had any legal entry at all.

>>> A cite is a reference supporting a claim, not another unsupported claim.

>> I wont be bothering to provide a cite for the claim that W was elected twice either, fuckwit.

>> You dont get to demand a cite for something as common as that.

>>> See how that works..?

>> Yep, fools like you demand cites for stuff everyone knows happens.

> You made a specific claim about numbers.

You're lying, as always.

> Prove it, asshat.

Go and fuck yourself, fuckwit.

>>> (I tire of teaching these kids...)

>> I'm older than you thanks, fuckwit.

> And you know that how, dipshit..?

Stands out like dogs balls, child.

> Is this as out-of-your-ass as your other claims..?

Nope, fact, fuckwit.


== 13 of 19 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 3:10 pm
From: "Rod Speed"


Klete Kasper <coug@wa.zu> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Larry in AZ <usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>>> Sure, but even if the land borders were completely sealed,
>>>> those that currently show up using scheduled commercial
>>>> aircraft flights would still do that. Those are the absolute
>>>> vast bulk of the more than half that dont currently get caught.

>>> Cites for that claim..?

>> The hordes of illegal overstayers on tourist visas.

> Use a factual url, or SHADDUP!

Go and fuck yourself, again.


== 14 of 19 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 3:14 pm
From: William Souden


Klete Kasper wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 05:24:50 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> mumbled:
>
>>> is that everyone going through an airport at least undergoes a cursory screening.
>> Irrelevant, they get thru anyway by claiming to be tourists, stupid.
>
>
> Prove it.
>
> Cite.
You must be new to this group so let me explain how Rod Speed
operates. He makes a claim and when asked for proof either ignore it or
posts auto bots about paper bags or toilets.
If you post a link refuting his claims he will reply by saying
"bullshit" or irrelevant"

== 15 of 19 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 3:15 pm
From: William Souden


Rod Speed wrote:
> Klete Kasper <coug@wa.zu> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>> is that everyone going through an airport at least undergoes a cursory screening.
>
>>> Irrelevant, they get thru anyway by claiming to be tourists, stupid.
>
>> Prove it.
>
> Go and fuck yourself.
>
>> Cite.
>
> See above.
>
>
Rod is so cooperative. I just noted that he can never back up his
claims and he just admitted I am correct.

== 16 of 19 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 3:16 pm
From: William Souden


Rod Speed wrote:.?
>
> Nope, fact, fuckwit.
>
>

In the fantasy works of welfare Rod making a claim constitutes a cite.

== 17 of 19 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 3:17 pm
From: William Souden


Rod Speed wrote:
> Klete Kasper <coug@wa.zu> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Larry in AZ <usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>>> Sure, but even if the land borders were completely sealed,
>>>>> those that currently show up using scheduled commercial
>>>>> aircraft flights would still do that. Those are the absolute
>>>>> vast bulk of the more than half that dont currently get caught.
>
>>>> Cites for that claim..?
>
>>> The hordes of illegal overstayers on tourist visas.
>
>> Use a factual url, or SHADDUP!
>
> Go and fuck yourself, again.
>
>
More cites from welfare boy.

== 18 of 19 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 3:17 pm
From: William Souden


Klete Kasper wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 05:54:46 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> mumbled:
>
>> Larry in AZ <usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Sure, but even if the land borders were completely sealed,
>>>> those that currently show up using scheduled commercial
>>>> aircraft flights would still do that. Those are the absolute
>>>> vast bulk of the more than half that dont currently get caught.
>>> Cites for that claim..?
>> The hordes of illegal overstayers on tourist visas.
>>
> Use a factual url, or SHADDUP!

Rod is unable to do either. Keep in mind he is a career welfare leech
with no marketable job skills.

== 19 of 19 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 3:18 pm
From: William Souden


Klete Kasper wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 06:48:15 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> mumbled:
>
>> I wont be bothering to provide a cite
>
> This comes as no surprise at all.

When Rod takes his meds he sometimes makes sense but obviously he ran
out of them recently.


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TOPIC: Saturn cars- more cracked cylinder heads due to mfgr flaws
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/0ef997e9c9515ba0?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 1:13 pm
From: misterfactLIES


In article <5c8e5f79-ab76-4693-8f23-8cfb5986d55a@
26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>, misterfact@yahoo.com says...
> > > I'm sure the NHTSA is aware of occassional dealure notification
> > > failures in this area. You have to realize that the NHTSA did not
> > > recognize a cracked engine as a safety issue. Otherwise they would
> > > probably have mandated a recall
> >
> > Why should they numbnuts? Is the powertrain attached to the seatbelts or
> > airbag? Does a stalled engine prevent your brakes from operating?
> >
> > Answers:
> > No, no, and no.
>
> view MisterfactLies's profile:
> Profile
>
> This account has been banned because it violated the Google Groups
> Terms Of Use.

Hmmm... Look, I'm still on the usenet. Neat huh?

> (terms of use require poster to SUBSTANTIATE labeling another poster
> as a "liar")

Oh? Where did you pull this from? I see no such text in the TOS
http://groups.google.com/intl/en/googlegroups/terms_of_service3.html

Is this another lie perhaps? Yup, sure is. What else would one expect
from Michael Korman the pathological liar.

Speaking of google lets see what your profile rating is...
Here it is, "1 star" out of "1786 ratings" and "1775 post" thus far.
Lol... Most trolls don't even do THAT poorly.


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TOPIC: Coupon for digital Tv converter
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/dae5c3a13fe8def8?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 1:31 pm
From: Dennis


On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:39:31 -0700 (PDT), Seerialmom
<seerialmom@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Yes. What I wonder, while we're on the topic, how about whether these
>will work with smaller devices like hand-held TV's?

If it has some kind of connectors to input the signal (RF or composite
+ sound), then it will work. E.g, if it will work with a VCR or DVD
player, it should work with a converter box.

> I don't think
>it's been addressed on the DTV site, but will the "sound" also
>disappear? I have a couple of radios that currently receive TV band...
>(of course all the other bands work so it's not a total loss).

The analog sound will disappear along with the video.

Dennis (evil)
--
I'm a hands-on, footloose, knee-jerk head case. -George Carlin

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 1:50 pm
From: "Rod Speed"


Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com> wrote
> Seerialmom <seerialmom@yahoo.com> wrote

>> Yes. What I wonder, while we're on the topic, how about whether
>> these will work with smaller devices like hand-held TV's?

> If it has some kind of connectors to input the signal (RF or
> composite + sound), then it will work. E.g, if it will work
> with a VCR or DVD player, it should work with a converter box.

And even if it doesnt have a connector, its still possible to connect
a modulator to the converter which acts like a mini TV station.

>> I don't think it's been addressed on the DTV site, but will the "sound"
>> also disappear? I have a couple of radios that currently receive TV
>> band... (of course all the other bands work so it's not a total loss).

> The analog sound will disappear along with the video.



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TOPIC: The Cost of Cheap Food
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/6fe8980c51f3505a?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 1:41 pm
From: Al Bundy


On Apr 27, 7:20 pm, "Lee K" <lee_keed...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Putting pollution on grocery billshttp://www.iht.com/articles/2008/04/25/business/food.php
> By Elisabeth Rosenthal
>
> Friday, April 25, 2008
> ROME: Cod caught off Norway is shipped to China to be turned into filets,
> then shipped back to Norway for sale. Argentine lemons fill supermarket
> shelves on the Spanish Citrus Coast as local lemons rot on the ground. Half
> of the peas in Europe are grown and packaged in Kenya.
>
>
Dollar Tree has recently been selling fruit from China mostly in glass
jars. When I saw where it came from I put it back on the shelf. I just
don't trust food from China. Some nutritionists have said the best
thing to do is eat locally grown products. That can't be done easily,
but at least we can buy mostly from this country. My local fruit
market has stock all year long. Out of season locally items come from
Florida, Mexico or South America.
I need to homestead a farm.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 1:51 pm
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"Al Bundy" <MSfortune@mcpmail.com> wrote in message
news:13c99e6b-6934-4608-9886-4615f6acd4d1@m1g2000pre.googlegroups.com...

> Dollar Tree has recently been selling fruit from China mostly in glass
> jars. When I saw where it came from I put it back on the shelf. I just
> don't trust food from China. Some nutritionists have said the best
> thing to do is eat locally grown products. That can't be done easily,
> but at least we can buy mostly from this country. My local fruit
> market has stock all year long. Out of season locally items come from
> Florida, Mexico or South America.
> I need to homestead a farm.

me too, al. :(


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TOPIC: CA escrow fee??
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/9db0c4ffe1187c84?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 2:55 pm
From: g20zoom@gmail.com


How much did you pay for escrow fees?

As buyers, our 1/2 of "escrow fees" was almost 2% of the sales price!
Given that the average CA price of a So cal home is 500,xxx, it really
adds up. and i'm talking just the escrow fee, not including title/tax/
transfer fees!!

What really ticks me is that the sellers listing agent(Prudential)
chooses the Escrow company, which then happens to be owned by the same
parent company. 5 or 6 companies are owned by the real estate house
mentioned during the closing process. It's like they could charge any
amount, and I would have to pay.

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