Frugal Living: 25 new messages in 8 topics

Monday, April 28, 2008

25 new messages in 8 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: Illegal Aliens ( breeders) come to US for free births-and anchor babies
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/3377e961b5983825?hl=en
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== 1 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 3:18 pm
From: William Souden

Klete Kasper wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 06:48:15 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> mumbled:
>
>> I wont be bothering to provide a cite
>
> This comes as no surprise at all.

When Rod takes his meds he sometimes makes sense but obviously he ran
out of them recently.

== 2 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 3:25 pm
From: "Seth Hammond"

"Klete Kasper" <coug@wa.zu> wrote in message
news:vblc14t4dhj3jgcq6kego535jompq32emn@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 05:54:46 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> mumbled:
>
>>Larry in AZ <usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>>>> Sure, but even if the land borders were completely sealed,
>>>> those that currently show up using scheduled commercial
>>>> aircraft flights would still do that. Those are the absolute
>>>> vast bulk of the more than half that dont currently get caught.
>>
>>> Cites for that claim..?
>>
>>The hordes of illegal overstayers on tourist visas.
>>
> Use a factual url, or SHADDUP!

The 9-11 terrorists all came here legally.

== 3 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 4:29 pm
From: Klete Kasper

On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:04:00 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> mumbled:

>Klete Kasper <coug@wa.zu> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>> is that everyone going through an airport at least undergoes a cursory screening.
>
>>> Irrelevant, they get thru anyway by claiming to be tourists, stupid.
>
>> Prove it.
>
>Go and fuck yourself.
>
>> Cite.
>
>See above.
>

MBWHAHHHAHAAA!!!!!

You LOSE!

== 4 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 4:30 pm
From: Klete Kasper

On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:06:33 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> mumbled:

>Klete Kasper <coug@wa.zu> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Klete Kasper <coug@wa.zu> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>>>> but it is a lot harder to elude immigration at an airport than along a land border.
>
>>>>> Nope, you just say you are a tourist and dont bother going home.
>
>>>> How ya figger that's working for the muzzies these days...
>
>>> Plenty of them still show up that way.
>
>> Cite?
>
>Even someone as stupid as you should be able to find

CIte????

== 5 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 4:30 pm
From: Klete Kasper

On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:10:34 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> mumbled:

>Klete Kasper <coug@wa.zu> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Larry in AZ <usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>>> Sure, but even if the land borders were completely sealed,
>>>>> those that currently show up using scheduled commercial
>>>>> aircraft flights would still do that. Those are the absolute
>>>>> vast bulk of the more than half that dont currently get caught.
>
>>>> Cites for that claim..?
>
>>> The hordes of illegal overstayers on tourist visas.
>
>> Use a factual url, or SHADDUP!
>
>Go and fuck yourself, again.
>
BYTE ME!

== 6 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 4:31 pm
From: Klete Kasper

On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:14:34 -0700, William Souden <souden@nospam.com>
mumbled:

>Klete Kasper wrote:
>> On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 05:24:50 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> mumbled:
>>
>>>> is that everyone going through an airport at least undergoes a cursory screening.
>>> Irrelevant, they get thru anyway by claiming to be tourists, stupid.
>>
>>
>> Prove it.
>>
>> Cite.
> You must be new to this group so let me explain how Rod Speed
>operates. He makes a claim and when asked for proof either ignore it or
>posts auto bots about paper bags or toilets.
> If you post a link refuting his claims he will reply by saying
>"bullshit" or irrelevant"

Ah yes, a familar pathology, thank you for the timely analysis :-)

== 7 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 4:31 pm
From: Klete Kasper

On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:15:29 -0700, William Souden <souden@nospam.com>
mumbled:

>Rod Speed wrote:
>> Klete Kasper <coug@wa.zu> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>>>>> is that everyone going through an airport at least undergoes a cursory screening.
>>
>>>> Irrelevant, they get thru anyway by claiming to be tourists, stupid.
>>
>>> Prove it.
>>
>> Go and fuck yourself.
>>
>>> Cite.
>>
>> See above.
>>
>>
> Rod is so cooperative. I just noted that he can never back up his
>claims and he just admitted I am correct.

He's a real Pavlov's dog, that one is...

== 8 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 4:32 pm
From: Klete Kasper

On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:25:45 -0700, "Seth Hammond"
<lesliesethhammond@yahoo.com> mumbled:

>
>"Klete Kasper" <coug@wa.zu> wrote in message
>news:vblc14t4dhj3jgcq6kego535jompq32emn@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 05:54:46 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> mumbled:
>>
>>>Larry in AZ <usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>
>>>>> Sure, but even if the land borders were completely sealed,
>>>>> those that currently show up using scheduled commercial
>>>>> aircraft flights would still do that. Those are the absolute
>>>>> vast bulk of the more than half that dont currently get caught.
>>>
>>>> Cites for that claim..?
>>>
>>>The hordes of illegal overstayers on tourist visas.
>>>
>> Use a factual url, or SHADDUP!
>
>The 9-11 terrorists all came here legally.

Since then?

== 9 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 5:17 pm
From: "Seth Hammond"

"Klete Kasper" <coug@wa.zu> wrote in message
news:g1rc14177ofat14an6ros3jano1sg5kqoc@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:25:45 -0700, "Seth Hammond"
> <lesliesethhammond@yahoo.com> mumbled:
>
>>
>>"Klete Kasper" <coug@wa.zu> wrote in message
>>news:vblc14t4dhj3jgcq6kego535jompq32emn@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 05:54:46 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> mumbled:
>>>
>>>>Larry in AZ <usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>
>>>>>> Sure, but even if the land borders were completely sealed,
>>>>>> those that currently show up using scheduled commercial
>>>>>> aircraft flights would still do that. Those are the absolute
>>>>>> vast bulk of the more than half that dont currently get caught.
>>>>
>>>>> Cites for that claim..?
>>>>
>>>>The hordes of illegal overstayers on tourist visas.
>>>>
>>> Use a factual url, or SHADDUP!
>>
>>The 9-11 terrorists all came here legally.
>
> Since then?

You tell me how many terrorists are here and planning right now.

== 10 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 5:21 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Klete Kasper <coug@wa.zu> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Klete Kasper <coug@wa.zu> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>> is that everyone going through an airport at least undergoes a cursory screening.

>>>> Irrelevant, they get thru anyway by claiming to be tourists, stupid.

>>> Prove it.

>> Go and fuck yourself.

>>> Cite.

>> See above.

> MBWHAHHHAHAAA!!!!!

Village eejut imitations cut no mustard around here, child.

> You LOSE!

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.

== 11 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 5:25 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Klete Kasper <coug@wa.zu> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Klete Kasper <coug@wa.zu> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Klete Kasper <coug@wa.zu> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>>>> but it is a lot harder to elude immigration at an airport than along a land border.

>>>>>> Nope, you just say you are a tourist and dont bother going home.

>>>>> How ya figger that's working for the muzzies these days...

>>>> Plenty of them still show up that way.

>>> Cite?

>> Even someone as stupid as you should be able to find the numbers who show up on tourist
>> visas, if someone was actually stupid enough to lend you a seeing eye dog and a white cane.

>> The other visas in spades.

> CIte????

Record's stuck, child.

Even someone as stupid as you should be able to find cites on how many muslims
get visas of various kinds, and even legal immigration status too, if smoeone was
actually stupid enough to lend you a seeing eye dog and a white cane.

== 12 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 5:26 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Klete Kasper <coug@wa.zu> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Klete Kasper <coug@wa.zu> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Larry in AZ <usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>>> Sure, but even if the land borders were completely sealed,
>>>>>> those that currently show up using scheduled commercial
>>>>>> aircraft flights would still do that. Those are the absolute
>>>>>> vast bulk of the more than half that dont currently get caught.

>>>>> Cites for that claim..?

>>>> The hordes of illegal overstayers on tourist visas.

>>> Use a factual url, or SHADDUP!

>> Go and fuck yourself, again.

> BYTE ME!

Go and fuck yourself, again.

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TOPIC: Horn Blowing = Lion's Roar?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/289bcedc5b3b7957?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 3:20 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:57:29 -0700 (PDT), ComandanteBanana
<nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote:

>(This comment interprets horn blowing. My own interpretation is found
>below.)
>
>Horn Blowing: Interpreting the Message.
>
>If someone honks a horn at you, the meaning is all in the duration. A
>really brief "Bip!" means "Hi!" or "Bye!" A moderately short beep
>means, "I just want you to realize I'm here." Somewhere between a
>second and maybe two seconds means, "I'm here and I am annoyed at your
>heedlessness." Over two seconds it means, "I'm pissed off at you,
>JERK!" Longer than three seconds it means, "I'm pissed off at this
>whole situation! And I am frustrated that I can't do anything more
>effective than sit here and blow my horn. Boy am I
>frustrated!" (Usually employed in traffic jams to make people around
>you even more frustrated too.)
>
>Repeated honks are either repetitions of the above (sorted by blast
>duration) or monotone musical "Hellos" if done in cadence with known
>tunes like "Shave and a haircut: two bits!" (Meant to be friendly.)
>
>http://www.dahon.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=5105&st=0&gopid=37361&#entry37361
>
>
>Like I said somewhere else: most of the time the vehicle's blowing the
>horn is equivalent to the lion's roar...
>
>"Hey, this is my territory and you better get lost --or else I eat
>you!"
>
>And guess what the monkey riding the bike said... "Yes, you can eat my
>banana!"
>
>WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE
>http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote

I wonder how that translates to bicycle bells?

Chuckle

Gunner

Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional,
illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an
unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the
proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 3:38 pm
From: Moike

Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:57:29 -0700 (PDT), ComandanteBanana
> <nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> (This comment interprets horn blowing. My own interpretation is found
>> below.)
>>
>> Horn Blowing: Interpreting the Message.
>>
>> If someone honks a horn at you, the meaning is all in the duration. A
>> really brief "Bip!" means "Hi!" or "Bye!" A moderately short beep
>> means, "I just want you to realize I'm here." Somewhere between a
>> second and maybe two seconds means, "I'm here and I am annoyed at your
>> heedlessness." Over two seconds it means, "I'm pissed off at you,
>> JERK!" Longer than three seconds it means, "I'm pissed off at this
>> whole situation! And I am frustrated that I can't do anything more
>> effective than sit here and blow my horn. Boy am I
>> frustrated!" (Usually employed in traffic jams to make people around
>> you even more frustrated too.)
>>
>> Repeated honks are either repetitions of the above (sorted by blast
>> duration) or monotone musical "Hellos" if done in cadence with known
>> tunes like "Shave and a haircut: two bits!" (Meant to be friendly.)
>>
>> http://www.dahon.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=5105&st=0&gopid=37361&#entry37361
>>
>>
>> Like I said somewhere else: most of the time the vehicle's blowing the
>> horn is equivalent to the lion's roar...
>>
>> "Hey, this is my territory and you better get lost --or else I eat
>> you!"
>>
>> And guess what the monkey riding the bike said... "Yes, you can eat my
>> banana!"
>>
>> WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE
>> http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote
>
>
> I wonder how that translates to bicycle bells?
>
> Chuckle
>
> Gunner
>
> Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional,
> illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an
> unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the
> proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.
Dunno, but I recently acquired an old one that sounds a bit like a tram
bell. None of your pissy "tink tink" or "brring brring" My bike says
"Clang Clang".

Moike

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 3:59 pm
From: "Theo Bekkers"

Moike wrote:

> Dunno, but I recently acquired an old one that sounds a bit like a
> tram bell. None of your pissy "tink tink" or "brring brring" My
> bike says "Clang Clang".

I've got one that sounds like a referee's whistle.

Theo

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 4:23 pm
From: JimmyMac

On Apr 28, 2:57 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> (This comment interprets horn blowing. My own interpretation is found
> below.)
>
> Horn Blowing: Interpreting the Message.
>
> If someone honks a horn at you, the meaning is all in the duration. A
> really brief "Bip!" means "Hi!" or "Bye!" A moderately short beep
> means, "I just want you to realize I'm here." Somewhere between a
> second and maybe two seconds means, "I'm here and I am annoyed at your
> heedlessness." Over two seconds it means, "I'm pissed off at you,
> JERK!" Longer than three seconds it means, "I'm pissed off at this
> whole situation! And I am frustrated that I can't do anything more
> effective than sit here and blow my horn. Boy am I
> frustrated!" (Usually employed in traffic jams to make people around
> you even more frustrated too.)
>
> Repeated honks are either repetitions of the above (sorted by blast
> duration) or monotone musical "Hellos" if done in cadence with known
> tunes like "Shave and a haircut: two bits!" (Meant to be friendly.)
>
> http://www.dahon.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=5105&st=0&gopid=37361&...
>
> Like I said somewhere else: most of the time the vehicle's blowing the
> horn is equivalent to the lion's roar...
>
> "Hey, this is my territory and you better get lost --or else I eat
> you!"
>
> And guess what the monkey riding the bike said... "Yes, you can eat my
> banana!"
>
> WELCOME TO THE JUNGLEhttp://webspawner.com/users/donquijote

Sounding a horn other than when for an emergency situation violates
the municipal code (ordinance) in some communities and is generally
found and defined under the category of noise pollution.
noise pollution.

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TOPIC: Food shortage ethanol follies, I've planted a food garden.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/c2b74d91aeaefb6f?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 3:27 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In article <67mk2qF2pf7sbU1@mid.individual.net>, Rod Speed wrote:
>Cindy Hamilton <angelicapaganelli@hotmail.com> wrote
>> <h> wrote
>>> Cindy Hamilton <angelicapagane...@hotmail.com> wrote
>>> <h> wrote
>
>>>> But...are there really people in the US who still eat lots of grains,
>>>> corn, and rice? As a low-carber with a gluten sensitivity, I can't
>>>> imagine that stuff fed to anything but livestock.
>
>>>>> Of course. What ivory tower do you live in?
>>>>> Carbohydrates are the staple food of millions of Americans.
>
>>> Yep. And that's why so many Americans are so fat.
>
>> They're fat because they ingest more calories than they burn.
>
>Correct.
>
>> There's no magic about a low-carb diet, except that it reduces
>> swings in blood sugar that makes it difficult to control one's intake.
>
>Its a bit more complicated than JUST that. The Atkins particularly
>does exploit more than just that blood sugar effect.
>
>> Low-carb diets don't enable one to violate laws of physics.
>
>But they do see less of the calories that go into your mouth end up
>being stored as fat, because of the calories used to digest the food.

Calories expended to digest food become heat, which offsets need of the
body to burn calories to produce heat.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 4:04 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Don Klipstein <don@manx.misty.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Cindy Hamilton <angelicapaganelli@hotmail.com> wrote
>>> <h> wrote
>>>> Cindy Hamilton <angelicapagane...@hotmail.com> wrote
>>>> <h> wrote

>>>>> But...are there really people in the US who still eat lots of
>>>>> grains, corn, and rice? As a low-carber with a gluten sensitivity,
>>>>> I can't imagine that stuff fed to anything but livestock.

>>>>>> Of course. What ivory tower do you live in?
>>>>>> Carbohydrates are the staple food of millions of Americans.

>>>> Yep. And that's why so many Americans are so fat.

>>> They're fat because they ingest more calories than they burn.

>> Correct.

>>> There's no magic about a low-carb diet, except that it reduces
>>> swings in blood sugar that makes it difficult to control one's intake.

>> Its a bit more complicated than JUST that. The Atkins
>> particularly does exploit more than just that blood sugar effect.

>>> Low-carb diets don't enable one to violate laws of physics.

>> But they do see less of the calories that go into your mouth end up
>> being stored as fat, because of the calories used to digest the food.

> Calories expended to digest food become heat, which
> offsets need of the body to burn calories to produce heat.

The body doesnt always need to burn calories to produce
heat, because the body doesnt always need to be heated.

And not all calories that go into the mouth are digested either.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 4:09 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In article <67n3gpF2pjs7bU1@mid.individual.net>, Rod Speed wrote:
>Don Klipstein <don@manx.misty.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Cindy Hamilton <angelicapaganelli@hotmail.com> wrote
>>>> <h> wrote
>>>>> Cindy Hamilton <angelicapagane...@hotmail.com> wrote
>>>>> <h> wrote
>
>>>>>> But...are there really people in the US who still eat lots of
>>>>>> grains, corn, and rice? As a low-carber with a gluten sensitivity,
>>>>>> I can't imagine that stuff fed to anything but livestock.
>
>>>>>>> Of course. What ivory tower do you live in?
>>>>>>> Carbohydrates are the staple food of millions of Americans.
>
>>>>> Yep. And that's why so many Americans are so fat.
>
>>>> They're fat because they ingest more calories than they burn.
>
>>> Correct.
>
>>>> There's no magic about a low-carb diet, except that it reduces
>>>> swings in blood sugar that makes it difficult to control one's intake.
>
>>> Its a bit more complicated than JUST that. The Atkins
>>> particularly does exploit more than just that blood sugar effect.
>
>>>> Low-carb diets don't enable one to violate laws of physics.
>
>>> But they do see less of the calories that go into your mouth end up
>>> being stored as fat, because of the calories used to digest the food.
>
>> Calories expended to digest food become heat, which
>> offsets need of the body to burn calories to produce heat.
>
>The body doesnt always need to burn calories to produce
>heat, because the body doesnt always need to be heated.
>
>And not all calories that go into the mouth are digested either.

The calorie labeling on food packages in the USA are normally according
to a method that takes into account digestion. That's why fiber does not
have its calories included in the calorie count on food packages, and why
protein is counted as 4 calories per gram instead of 5.3.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 5:24 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Don Klipstein <don@manx.misty.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Don Klipstein <don@manx.misty.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Cindy Hamilton <angelicapaganelli@hotmail.com> wrote
>>>>> <h> wrote
>>>>>> Cindy Hamilton <angelicapagane...@hotmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> <h> wrote

>>>>>>> But...are there really people in the US who still eat lots of grains,
>>>>>>> corn, and rice? As a low-carber with a gluten sensitivity, I can't
>>>>>>> imagine that stuff fed to anything but livestock.

>>>>>>>> Of course. What ivory tower do you live in?
>>>>>>>> Carbohydrates are the staple food of millions of Americans.

>>>>>> Yep. And that's why so many Americans are so fat.

>>>>> They're fat because they ingest more calories than they burn.

>>>> Correct.

>>>>> There's no magic about a low-carb diet, except that it reduces
>>>>> swings in blood sugar that makes it difficult to control one's intake.

>>>> Its a bit more complicated than JUST that. The Atkins
>>>> particularly does exploit more than just that blood sugar effect.

>>>>> Low-carb diets don't enable one to violate laws of physics.

>>>> But they do see less of the calories that go into your mouth end up
>>>> being stored as fat, because of the calories used to digest the food.

>>> Calories expended to digest food become heat, which
>>> offsets need of the body to burn calories to produce heat.

>> The body doesnt always need to burn calories to produce
>> heat, because the body doesnt always need to be heated.

>> And not all calories that go into the mouth are digested either.

> The calorie labeling on food packages in the USA are normally according
> to a method that takes into account digestion. That's why fiber does not
> have its calories included in the calorie count on food packages, and why
> protein is counted as 4 calories per gram instead of 5.3.

That last is a pretty crude simplification tho.

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TOPIC: Frugal living in Paris, France
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/37891956d699788d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 3:40 pm
From: Joe

http://home.comcast.net/~plutarch/frugal-paris.html

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TOPIC: Area rugs on carpets keep moving
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/8ab9829dbcfc76f4?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 5:12 pm
From: kimshapiro100@yahoo.com

Re: Area rugs on carpets keep moving
******************************************************

When I lay area rugs over carpets with kids around the area rugs move
around and turn up at the corners and gets ruined.

How can I keep these area rugs from moving ?

We used the rubber/latex available at Home Depot for this purpose.
Using this, the area rugs hold on tile but not on carpet.

Can anyone suggest anything ?

Thanks,
Kim

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TOPIC: CA escrow fee??
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/9db0c4ffe1187c84?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 5:56 am
From: Dave

On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:55:41 -0700 (PDT)
g20zoom@gmail.com wrote:

> How much did you pay for escrow fees?
>
> As buyers, our 1/2 of "escrow fees" was almost 2% of the sales price!
> Given that the average CA price of a So cal home is 500,xxx, it really
> adds up. and i'm talking just the escrow fee, not including title/tax/
> transfer fees!!
>
> What really ticks me is that the sellers listing agent(Prudential)
> chooses the Escrow company, which then happens to be owned by the same
> parent company. 5 or 6 companies are owned by the real estate house
> mentioned during the closing process. It's like they could charge any
> amount, and I would have to pay.

Do you know what escrow is? It is the amount set aside to pay things like property tax, homeowners insurance, local school taxes, etc. Ours is about 4% of the sale price of our house. Yearly. Yes, that hurts. But considering that it covers taxes and (mandatory) insurance, there isn't much that you can do about it but pay it. That, or lose the house.

Unless I misunderstood and what they are charging you is something different. -Dave

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TOPIC: Can anyone update anything in the XM Radio account page (Listener Care)?

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Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 6:28 pm
From: sd78sd@alumni.com

When I login to my account in xmradio.com, on the main page "Listener
Care" (https://xmro-secure.xmradio.com/listenercare/checkPermission.xm?
forwardto=/listenercare/sec/accountupdate/updateBillingInfo.xm ), if I
select option such as "Change Your Contact & Billing Information" or
"Change Contact Preferences" or " Redeem a Gift Card", it always pops
up a javascript message "We are in the process of updating your
account. Certain features will be inaccessible for the next 10
minutes. We apologize for any inconvenience that this may cause."
However, that message has ALWAYS been staying there, not just for 10
minutes, but for at least past 3 years. I had searched over the
Internet but nobody mentioned it. Why?

This prevents me from updating my account information online. It
forces me to call, which put me on hold forever. Even once I did call
and I mentioned the above problem to a rep, she told me to wait 10
minutes to retry; it would work. But it never worked. Thank God, I
used one-time use credit card number in the beginning. I simply called
my credit card company to cancel my number, and Xmradio will never be
able to bill me again.

Be the way, on a technical note, when I carefully examined the main
page's script, I removed the redundant "forwarding" part in the URL
and change the original link (https://xmro-secure.xmradio.com/
listenercare/checkPermission.xm?forwardto=/listenercare/sec/
accountupdate/updateBillingInfo.xm ) to (
https://xmro-secure.xmradio.com/listenercare/sec/accountupdate/updateBillingInfo.xm
), it brought me to the Change Your Contact & Billing Information page
right away. I was glad I could bypass their defective webpage, only
did I realize later that I could not actually go any further from
there, because it would still show "We are in the process of updating
your account. Certain features will be inaccessible for the next 10
minutes. We apologize for any inconvenience that this may cause."
message again once I clicked the submit button. This time I could not
do anything, because the next step was a server side script.

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Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 6:44 pm
From: myshoesbiz83@yahoo.com.cn

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