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Today's topics:
* Will it be Presideny Hillary Clinton or President John McCain? - 1 messages,
1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/a8a93935437e2539?hl=en
* Making Homemade Foam Soap - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/66be626548d7a669?hl=en
* EARN DOLLARS NO INVESTMENT NO SALES 100% HOME BASED BUSINESS - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/0659e32e3c6d6bfb?hl=en
* Charter's plan to tamper with user's web traffic and read the actual data in
the packets, and on top of this playing [W][O][R][D][G][A][M][E][S] by calling
this an enhanced user experience. - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/27ed9cb18c60e9e0?hl=en
* IRS stimulus checks - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/7007a6d9f38b2bd9?hl=en
* Did Netflix raise the price of their plans? - 4 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/82508d9d7ee435b3?hl=en
* Home shower drip repair (how do I get the Delta faucet apart)? - 2 messages,
2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/f83d2dad31884b3b?hl=en
* Home made dye for white shoe laces - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/6aa21d41b8a02378?hl=en
* CHINA WHOLESALE CHEAP PRADA SNEAKERS AF1 JORDAN 23 4 5 FUSION SHOES AT WWW.
SNEAKER-OUTLET DOT CN - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/5987f58fbf50f1b8?hl=en
* Is King Soopers gift card promotion for real? - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/b6d6a061bd9a9ffe?hl=en
* Is anyone trading with Fixed Return Options - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/d9fb31a19c254baf?hl=en
* College Debt - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/fa42467b0afe9292?hl=en
* !!!!!! part time job opportunity!!!!! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/f35ce75447008060?hl=en
* Living Frugally? Then you need Dog Food Recipes!!! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/451351a0c9f173c6?hl=en
* CHINA WHOLESALE FENDI CHANEL LV SUNGLASSES, COACH PRADA DIOR SANDALS ETC - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/01a7a72420decee2?hl=en
* SEE THE BEAUTIFUL VIDEOSWEBSITE AND ONLINE JOB IMPERMATION - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/da0dc7a0f43fc6a0?hl=en
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TOPIC: Will it be Presideny Hillary Clinton or President John McCain?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/a8a93935437e2539?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, May 14 2008 7:23 pm
From: tobetbaa
It is now clear that Clinton and Obama need each other to immunize
against racist attacks, and Obama is not leadership material, yet.
Obama ran scared. Instead of campaigning aggressively in Virginia, he
went to Michigan, where the votes were not even counted. What's the
message? This is not presidential conduct. If he gets to the White
House, he can hide behind Hillary Clinton's skirt.
Democrats are beginning to figure it out. If chicken feed defeats
Hillary, McCain's swift boat operatives will destroy Obama the way
they destroyed Kerry/Edwards.
Let's cut to the chase, America is still too racist to elect a
cowardly, Black President. Read this by Bill Moyers, to clearly
understand the simple fact that Obama's only path to the White House
is through an alliance with Hillary Clinton.
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TOPIC: Making Homemade Foam Soap
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/66be626548d7a669?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, May 15 2008 12:53 am
From: friedcarrots1111@gmail.com
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TOPIC: EARN DOLLARS NO INVESTMENT NO SALES 100% HOME BASED BUSINESS
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TOPIC: Charter's plan to tamper with user's web traffic and read the actual
data in the packets, and on top of this playing [W][O][R][D][G][A][M][E][S] by
calling this an enhanced user experience.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/27ed9cb18c60e9e0?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, May 14 2008 10:30 pm
From: ultimauw@excite.com (A Texan From Connecticut)
(If Charter and the rest want to "enhance my experience" how about
KEEPING YOUR FUCKING MITTS OFF OF MY DATA! What a concept!)
http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/13/1832256
Charter Is Latest ISP To Plan Wiretapping Via DPI
Posted by kdawson on Tuesday May 13, @02:42PM
from the bad-phorm dept.
Privacy The Internet
Charter Communications has begun sending letters to its customers
informing them that, in the name of an "enhanced user experience," it
will begin spying on their traffic and inserting targeted ads. This
sounds almost indistinguishable from what Phorm proposed doing in the
UK. Lauren Weinstein issues a call to arms.
http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/13/1832256
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, May 15 2008 9:01 am
From: George
A Texan From Connecticut wrote:
> Privacy The Internet
> Charter Communications has begun sending letters to its customers
> informing them that, in the name of an "enhanced user experience," it
> will begin spying on their traffic and inserting targeted ads. This
> sounds almost indistinguishable from what Phorm proposed doing in the
> UK. Lauren Weinstein issues a call to arms.
>
> http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/13/1832256
>
>
They aren't approaching this the right way. They need to pretend that
their customers are getting something in exchange for the invasion of
their privacy. Something like the supermarkets do.
The ISP could easily do something similar to the "loyalty" ID cards.
They could triple the price of the service and then put a link on their
home page telling you how you could get service at the normal price by
joining their privacy invasion club. They could alternate popups with
periodic encouragement telling you how much you are saving by being a
member of the "club".
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TOPIC: IRS stimulus checks
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/7007a6d9f38b2bd9?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, May 15 2008 3:07 am
From: Truly Stunned
In article <g0fmos$f2k$1@registered.motzarella.org>,
"Dave" <noway@nohow.not> wrote:
> >
> > I am always surprised at the number of people who opt for snail mail be
> > it tax rebates,refunds,benefits checks or other things. I will be
> > traveling when my money arrives but will have immediate access to the
> > funds.
>
> You are aware that direct deposit works BOTH ways, right? That is, if the
> Government decides that you goofed on your tax return, they now have full
> access to your bank account to conveniently correct the error for
> u. -Dave
That seems to be the fear. Like most fear, it inhibits rational behavior
(makes official kidnapping and torture seem acceptable, for instance).
In fact, government at any level has *always* had access to individual
accounts in exactly the same manner as long as they have all the
paperwork in order. Doesn't matter whether or not the account owner uses
direct deposit or not.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, May 15 2008 3:43 am
From: "Dave"
>
> That seems to be the fear. Like most fear, it inhibits rational behavior
> (makes official kidnapping and torture seem acceptable, for instance).
> In fact, government at any level has *always* had access to individual
> accounts in exactly the same manner as long as they have all the
> paperwork in order. Doesn't matter whether or not the account owner uses
> direct deposit or not.
The difference is, with direct deposit, you are giving the government
permission, in advance, to take your funds away from you. For any reason,
without asking you first. -Dave
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, May 15 2008 4:12 am
From: George Grapman
Dave wrote:
>
>>
>> That seems to be the fear. Like most fear, it inhibits rational behavior
>> (makes official kidnapping and torture seem acceptable, for instance).
>> In fact, government at any level has *always* had access to individual
>> accounts in exactly the same manner as long as they have all the
>> paperwork in order. Doesn't matter whether or not the account owner uses
>> direct deposit or not.
>
> The difference is, with direct deposit, you are giving the government
> permission, in advance, to take your funds away from you. For any
> reason, without asking you first. -Dave
I worked with a person who had tax issues. He had no direct deposit
but one day he found his bank account had been frozen and a lien placed
on his pay check.
I found it amusing because at the time we were being wrongly
classified as independent contractors and he laughed at those of us who
paid taxes.
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TOPIC: Did Netflix raise the price of their plans?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/82508d9d7ee435b3?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, May 15 2008 3:45 am
From: "Dave"
>
> It's awesome only if you want something from their pathetic selection.
>
What do you call pathetic? They have everything you will find in the new
release section of any B&M video rental shop. Plus some. In other words,
they have all the movies that most people are interested in renting. -Dave
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, May 15 2008 6:15 am
From: "Chloe"
"Dave" <noway@nohow.not> wrote in message
news:g0h4sm$2o8$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> >
>> It's awesome only if you want something from their pathetic selection.
>>
>
> What do you call pathetic? They have everything you will find in the new
> release section of any B&M video rental shop. Plus some. In other words,
> they have all the movies that most people are interested in
> enting. -Dave
Good example of the frugality principle of not buying more than you actually
need. DH and I use our Netflix subscription for other types of rentals than
new movie releases. But if what you rent's limited to that kind of thing,
then Netflix may not be the best alternative.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, May 15 2008 7:00 am
From: "Evelyn C. Leeper"
Dave wrote:
>>
>> It's awesome only if you want something from their pathetic selection.
>>
>
> What do you call pathetic? They have everything you will find in the
> new release section of any B&M video rental shop. Plus some. In other
> words, they have all the movies that most people are interested in
> renting. -Dave
Well, I rarely rent from the new (studio film) release section,
preferring instead independent and foreign films, so when I look at the
box, I find nothing I'm interested in.
Obviously, YMMV.
--
Evelyn C. Leeper
Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test
a man's character, give him power. -Abraham Lincoln
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, May 15 2008 7:19 am
From:
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"Evelyn C. Leeper" <eleeper@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:482c41be$0$11641$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> Dave wrote:
>>>
>>> It's awesome only if you want something from their pathetic selection.
>>>
>>
>> What do you call pathetic? They have everything you will find in the new
>> release section of any B&M video rental shop. Plus some. In other
>> words, they have all the movies that most people are interested in
>> renting. -Dave
>
> Well, I rarely rent from the new (studio film) release section, preferring
> instead independent and foreign films, so when I look at the box, I find
> nothing I'm interested in.
>
> Obviously, YMMV.
We prefer to see the foreign/indie films at the local artsy place which
offers $3 saturday matinees. There are only about 8-10 films a year that
fall into that category. For the standard Hollyweird fare we spend $1 at
Redbox. 1/4 the price of On Demand.
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TOPIC: Home shower drip repair (how do I get the Delta faucet apart)?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, May 15 2008 4:24 am
From: KLS
On Wed, 14 May 2008 19:00:44 -0700, Smitty Two
<prestwhich@earthlink.net> wrote:
>What I said was, Donna annoys the crap out of me. And she does.
You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but Donna's virtue is the
fount of information she is leaving on the Internet for future
homeowners' reference, unlike, for example, HoundMan (VF) on
alt.autos.subaru who persists in modifying his 2007 Subaru to feel and
perform like his 1968 Chevy and provides excruciatingly detailed posts
addressing his goals, his actions, and his opinions, few if any of
which correlate to the reality the rest of us live in. Try reading
some of his posts for maximum annoyance.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, May 15 2008 6:47 am
From: Donna
On Thu, 15 May 2008 07:24:36 -0400, KLS wrote:
> On Wed, 14 May 2008 19:00:44 -0700, Smitty Two
> <prestwhich@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>What I said was, Donna annoys the crap out of me. And she does.
>
> Donna's virtue is the fount of information she is leaving on the
> Internet for future homeowners' reference
Oh my! I certainly did not mean to annoy the very people who help me!
Nor did I mean to annoy anyone who needs the help in the future.
I'm very sorry for the "excrutiating" detail - I never intended to offend.
I'll therefore keep this apology short and leave quickly.
Donna
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TOPIC: Home made dye for white shoe laces
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Date: Thurs, May 15 2008 5:04 am
From: jayzeiss@googlemail.com
My son often throws away shoes that have not had so much wear and the
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Is there a frugal home made dye, black or any dark colour that I could
easily make at home please? Thanks.
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TOPIC: Is King Soopers gift card promotion for real?
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, May 15 2008 6:23 am
From: "Chloe"
"Goomba38" <Goomba38@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:5LOdnS8J64a4DrbVnZ2dnUVZ_gidnZ2d@comcast.com...
> laredotornado wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I live in the Denver area and the local grocery store is named King
>> Soopers. I've heard rumblings of a promotion in which you buy a $300
>> gift card and they'll give you $25 free of groceries. Is there a
>> catch here? I'm not really looking to spend $300 at any particular
>> store (e.g. Home Depot, Applebees), but I guess I can pick one. Also
>> does the gift card cost additional money to buy and lose value as the
>> months dwindle by?
>
>
> I don't suppose you called them and asked for specifics? Many, many stores
> are encouraging you to commit to shopping (spending!) there. They all seem
> to be offering the same enough deal. It has been in the news lately. Not
> something I'm doing, I have to admit.
<snip>
Kroger in my area is offering up to four cards per family (in $300 or
multiples thereof) with an extra 10% added. Since I shop at Kroger anyway
(mostly buying weekly loss leaders), I'm planning on buying the maximum
amount in cards between now and July. I suspect they easily make up the 10%
by either investing the up-front money, or through increased sales from
people spending more than they would otherwise (since they have a card in
their hands), or via balances that permanently go unredeemed.
I don't know of anyplace else I can get that kind of return on a small,
short-term cash investment, so it works for me. Also, by charging the store
cards to a rebate Mastercard, I get an additional 3% back. I could get that
regardless, but it still sweetens the deal a bit.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, May 15 2008 7:22 am
From: "Dave"
>
> Kroger in my area is offering up to four cards per family (in $300 or
> multiples thereof) with an extra 10% added. Since I shop at Kroger anyway
> (mostly buying weekly loss leaders), I'm planning on buying the maximum
> amount in cards between now and July. I suspect they easily make up the
> 10% by either investing the up-front money, or through increased sales
> from people spending more than they would otherwise (since they have a
> card in their hands),
Bingo! Most people shop at 2 or 3 different grocery stores, because of
selection and price on products varying greatly. It's unusual to see one
store have the best deal on most of the items you buy. So the Kroger
promotion is looking to make money for Kroger 2 ways:
1) People will be more likely to buy ALL their grocery items at Kroger, as
the money is already spent anyway. Thus, many more of the items that are
high-profit at Kroger will end up in the cart, when these card purchasers
are shopping at Kroger.
2) People will likely spend MORE money, as they aren't paying "cash" for
their purchases. This is a well-known phenomenon, and the reason that
casinos use chips instead of cash. (so you gamble more, because after all
it's not a hundred DOLLARS, it's just a stupid little plastic chip...)
My bet, Kroger makes back a lot more than the 10% they are chipping in as an
incentive. -Dave
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, May 15 2008 9:11 am
From: clams_casino
Dave wrote:
>
>>
>> Kroger in my area is offering up to four cards per family (in $300 or
>> multiples thereof) with an extra 10% added. Since I shop at Kroger
>> anyway (mostly buying weekly loss leaders), I'm planning on buying
>> the maximum amount in cards between now and July. I suspect they
>> easily make up the 10% by either investing the up-front money, or
>> through increased sales from people spending more than they would
>> otherwise (since they have a card in their hands),
>
>
> Bingo! Most people shop at 2 or 3 different grocery stores, because
> of selection and price on products varying greatly. It's unusual to
> see one store have the best deal on most of the items you buy. So the
> Kroger promotion is looking to make money for Kroger 2 ways:
>
> 1) People will be more likely to buy ALL their grocery items at
> Kroger, as the money is already spent anyway. Thus, many more of the
> items that are high-profit at Kroger will end up in the cart, when
> these card purchasers are shopping at Kroger.
> 2) People will likely spend MORE money, as they aren't paying "cash"
> for their purchases. This is a well-known phenomenon, and the reason
> that casinos use chips instead of cash. (so you gamble more, because
> after all it's not a hundred DOLLARS, it's just a stupid little
> plastic chip...)
>
> My bet, Kroger makes back a lot more than the 10% they are chipping in
> as an incentive. -Dave
>
Shaw's is doing that in New England - extra 10% on gift cards up to $1200.
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TOPIC: Is anyone trading with Fixed Return Options
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Date: Thurs, May 15 2008 6:50 am
From: Ron Peterson
On May 13, 3:05 pm, Becky44 <yoviat...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Is anyone trading with Fixed Return Options
> http://www.tradeingroups.com/is-anyone-trading-with-fixed-return-opti...
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TOPIC: Living Frugally? Then you need Dog Food Recipes!!!
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