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TOPIC: Sleazy Wall Steet/Chamber of Commerce bloats tout offshore drilling.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/965646d3be1e6878?hl=en
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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 18 2008 11:45 pm
From: "Clave"

"The Trucker" <mikcob@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2008.06.19.06.40.51.420018@verizon.net...
> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 23:16:58 -0500, ChairMan wrote:

<...>

>> "The U.S. Congress has voted consistently to keep 85% of America's
>> offshore
>> oil and gas off-limits, while China and Cuba drill 60 miles from Key
>> West,
>> Fla.
>
> There's that Republican lie again. You boys just can't help it. Its ion
> the genes.

Even Cheney had to back off:

Vice President Dick Cheney's office has acknowledged that
he erred when telling an audience this week that China is
drilling off the coast of Cuba.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/40994.html

== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 19 2008 9:47 am
From: Video61@tcq.net

On Jun 18, 12:39 pm, "ChairMan" <w...@fu.com> wrote:
> <billimmel...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:b8cfc506-6cc7-4f78-aceb-a89fb8257331@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com
>
>
>
> > On Jun 18, 3:22 am, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> The time is ripe for America to use existing technology to get those
> >> electric cars rolling down the assembly lines. But the usual
> >> suspects, the same bastards who love illegal aliens and other cheap
> >> labor sources, opt for what they think is the easy solution. Fuck
> >> 'em all!
>
> >> ted
>
> >> "They trundle into the fast food outlet, fat asses leaving the SUV
> >> full of plump wives and noisy children. Behind their vehicle is a
> >> trailer bearing two ATV's. This family is doing it's outdoor thing".
>
> > The hacks always look for a quick cheap fix. I will bet that American
> > industry can produce a solar-boosted electric car faster then the
> > first
> > drilling rig can be placed.
>
> > bill
>
> There are already rigs off the coast of Florida, they're just not ours.
> Why is it that all you anti oil people dont have a problem with us drilling
> in other countries and fuckin' up their enviroment?
> Just don't do it my backyard, huh?
> You're the same people that complain about how bad Bush has made us look to
> the rest of the world, but don't take any personal responsiblity of your own
> for your views.
> The word hypocrite comes to mind.
> BTW: WTF are we saving "OUR" oil for?

there are 1000's of capped wells in the u.s.a. right now, just
sitting. there are many untold leases that were issued to the oil
companies, and they are just sitting. the cons and their corporate
masters just want to tie up more reserves in their portfolios for
future gauging. they will leak the oil out slowly, whilst keeping the
oil scarce, and the price will stay high, and leases and wells will
stay capped. our property, will be tied up by them. to your detriment.

== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 19 2008 10:38 am
From: singularity

Video61@tcq.net wrote:
> On Jun 18, 12:39 pm, "ChairMan" <w...@fu.com> wrote:
>> <billimmel...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:b8cfc506-6cc7-4f78-aceb-a89fb8257331@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 18, 3:22 am, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>> The time is ripe for America to use existing technology to get those
>>>> electric cars rolling down the assembly lines. But the usual
>>>> suspects, the same bastards who love illegal aliens and other cheap
>>>> labor sources, opt for what they think is the easy solution. Fuck
>>>> 'em all!
>>>> ted
>>>> "They trundle into the fast food outlet, fat asses leaving the SUV
>>>> full of plump wives and noisy children. Behind their vehicle is a
>>>> trailer bearing two ATV's. This family is doing it's outdoor thing".
>>> The hacks always look for a quick cheap fix. I will bet that American
>>> industry can produce a solar-boosted electric car faster then the
>>> first
>>> drilling rig can be placed.
>>> bill
>> There are already rigs off the coast of Florida, they're just not ours.
>> Why is it that all you anti oil people dont have a problem with us drilling
>> in other countries and fuckin' up their enviroment?
>> Just don't do it my backyard, huh?
>> You're the same people that complain about how bad Bush has made us look to
>> the rest of the world, but don't take any personal responsiblity of your own
>> for your views.
>> The word hypocrite comes to mind.
>> BTW: WTF are we saving "OUR" oil for?
>
> there are 1000's of capped wells in the u.s.a. right now, just
> sitting.

Those are known as non-producing or test wells, you idiot!

> there are many untold leases that were issued to the oil
> companies, and they are just sitting.

Because the seismic surveys came up poorly, fool.

> the cons and their corporate
> masters just want to tie up more reserves in their portfolios for
> future gauging.

I can gauge your stupidity and paranoia quite well, you vermin.

> they will leak the oil out slowly, whilst

Oh stfu, you damned lying whiner!

== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 19 2008 10:38 am
From: singularity

Clave wrote:
> "The Trucker" <mikcob@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:pan.2008.06.19.06.40.51.420018@verizon.net...
>> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 23:16:58 -0500, ChairMan wrote:
>
> <...>
>
>>> "The U.S. Congress has voted consistently to keep 85% of America's
>>> offshore
>>> oil and gas off-limits, while China and Cuba drill 60 miles from Key
>>> West,
>>> Fla.
>> There's that Republican lie again. You boys just can't help it. Its ion
>> the genes.
>
> Even Cheney had to back off:
>
> Vice President Dick Cheney's office has acknowledged that
> he erred when telling an audience this week that China is
> drilling off the coast of Cuba.
>
> http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/40994.html
>
>
Back it goes in your face, lying clam fart:

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/china_starts_oil_drilling.html

The Chinese have forged a deal with Cuban leader Fidel Castro to explore
and tap into massive oil reserves almost within sight of Key West,
Florida. At the same time, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, who
controls the largest oil reserves in the Western Hemisphere, is making
deals to sell his country?s oil to China, oil that is currently coming
to the United States.

Meanwhile, a new left-wing populist regime in Bolivia has nationalized
the natural gas industry, threatening to cut off supplies to the United
States.

SLANT DRILLING

There are new reports out circulating that Chinese firms are planning to
slant drill off the Cuban coast near the Florida Straits, tapping into
U.S. oil reserves that are estimated at 4.6 billion to 9.3 billion barrels.

China is eager to tap into oil reserves in the Florida Straits and then
make a deal with Castro to control it. The Chinese have already reopened
an abandoned Russian oil refinery in Cuba. Much of the gas refined there
is believed to be destined for Freeport in the Bahamas, where the
Chinese, through front company Hutchison-Whampoa, has developed a
massive port facility and airfield.

With the refinery reopened and expanded it will also meet the needs of
Castro.

Sen. Larry Craig (R-Idaho) has introduced legislation to ease U.S.
restrictions that prevent dealing with Cuba to drill in the Florida
Straits. It is hoped that Florida regulations that prevent U.S. oil
drilling off the state?s coasts could also be eased.

== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 19 2008 10:38 am
From: singularity

Clave wrote:
> <retrogrouch@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:kfrj54p9boku6k4cbe0a3hkaa067ke7tvc@4ax.com...
>
> <...>
>
>> LOL. Seems Cheney realized his liability and "corrected" it. LOL. I
>> guess he realized he might be called to testify.
>>
>> http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/40994.html
>
> That is fucking PRICELESS.
>
> Jim
>
>
So is the truth:

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/china_starts_oil_drilling.html

Meanwhile, a new left-wing populist regime in Bolivia has nationalized
the natural gas industry, threatening to cut off supplies to the United
States.

SLANT DRILLING

With the refinery reopened and expanded it will also meet the needs of
Castro.

== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 19 2008 10:38 am
From: singularity

retrogrouch@comcast.net wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 23:16:58 -0500, "ChairMan" <why4@fu.com> wrote:
>
>> while China and Cuba drill 60 miles from Key West,
>> Fla.
>
>
> You do understand this is just another "myth"

FUCK YOU LYING SHITBAG!

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/china_starts_oil_drilling.html

Meanwhile, a new left-wing populist regime in Bolivia has nationalized
the natural gas industry, threatening to cut off supplies to the United
States.

SLANT DRILLING

With the refinery reopened and expanded it will also meet the needs of
Castro.

== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 19 2008 10:38 am
From: singularity

retrogrouch@comcast.net wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 21:25:13 -0700, "Clave"
> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>
>>>> There are no Chinese rigs drilling on the Cuba side of the Florida
>>>> Strait according people in our government. But there is some truth
>>>> to your MIMBY prosecution.
>>> You believe our government? There's your problem right there
>>> "The U.S. Congress has voted consistently to keep 85% of America's
>>> offshore oil and gas off-limits, while China and Cuba drill 60 miles from
>>> Key West, Fla. The U.S. Minerals Management Service says that the
>>> restricted areas contain 86 billion barrels of oil and 420 trillion cubic
>>> feet of natural gas."
>>>
>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ibd/20080609/bs_ibd_ibd/20080609issues01
>> That's an unsourced op-ed, and it's full of shit.
>>
>> http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/40776.html
>
>
> Yet no one can prove that the Chinese are drilling

READ THE FACTS SHITBAG LIAR!

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/china_starts_oil_drilling.html

Meanwhile, a new left-wing populist regime in Bolivia has nationalized
the natural gas industry, threatening to cut off supplies to the United
States.

SLANT DRILLING

With the refinery reopened and expanded it will also meet the needs of
Castro.

== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 19 2008 10:38 am
From: singularity

retrogrouch@comcast.net wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 22:22:15 -0700, retrogrouch@comcast.net wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 21:25:13 -0700, "Clave"
>> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> There are no Chinese rigs drilling on the Cuba side of the Florida
>>>>> Strait according people in our government. But there is some truth
>>>>> to your MIMBY prosecution.
>>>> You believe our government? There's your problem right there
>>>> "The U.S. Congress has voted consistently to keep 85% of America's
>>>> offshore oil and gas off-limits, while China and Cuba drill 60 miles from
>>>> Key West, Fla. The U.S. Minerals Management Service says that the
>>>> restricted areas contain 86 billion barrels of oil and 420 trillion cubic
>>>> feet of natural gas."
>>>>
>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ibd/20080609/bs_ibd_ibd/20080609issues01
>>> That's an unsourced op-ed, and it's full of shit.
>>>
>>> http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/40776.html
>>
>> Yet no one can prove that the Chinese are drilling anywhere off Cuba's
>> shoreline. The China-Cuba connection is "akin to urban legend," said
>> Sen. Mel Martinez, a Republican from Florida who opposes drilling off
>> the coast of his state but who backs exploration in ANWR.
>>
>> "China is not drilling in Cuba's Gulf of Mexico waters, period," said
>> Jorge Pinon, an energy fellow with the Center for Hemispheric Policy
>> at the University of Miami and an expert in oil exploration in the
>> Gulf of Mexico. Martinez cited Pinon's research when he took to the
>> Senate floor Wednesday to set the record straight.
>>
>> Even so, the Chinese-drilling-in-Cuba legend has gained momentum and
>> has been swept up in Republican arguments to open up more U.S.
>> territory to domestic production.
>>
>> Vice President Dick Cheney, in a speech Wednesday to the U.S. Chamber
>> of Commerce, picked up the refrain. Cheney quoted a column by George
>> Will, who wrote last week that "drilling is under way 60 miles off
>> Florida. The drilling is being done by China, in cooperation with
>> Cuba, which is drilling closer to South Florida than U.S. companies
>> are."
>>
>>
>> I think Congress should haul Cheney's but in front of a committee and
>> roast him for lying again. These grandiose lies serve as a great
>> entre to hold up how much he personally is liable for lying us into
>> Iraq. he repeatedly told lies on the Sunday talking heads programs
>> even after the intelligence agencies told him thy were lies.
>
>
> LOL. Seems Cheney realized his liability and "corrected" it.

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/china_starts_oil_drilling.html

Meanwhile, a new left-wing populist regime in Bolivia has nationalized
the natural gas industry, threatening to cut off supplies to the United
States.

SLANT DRILLING

With the refinery reopened and expanded it will also meet the needs of
Castro.

== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 19 2008 10:50 am
From: Video61@tcq.net

On Jun 19, 12:38 pm, singularity <r...@kurtz.wheel> wrote:
> Vide...@tcq.net wrote:
> > On Jun 18, 12:39 pm, "ChairMan" <w...@fu.com> wrote:
> >> <billimmel...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:b8cfc506-6cc7-4f78-aceb-a89fb8257331@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com
>
> >>> On Jun 18, 3:22 am, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>>> The time is ripe for America to use existing technology to get those
> >>>> electric cars rolling down the assembly lines. But the usual
> >>>> suspects, the same bastards who love illegal aliens and other cheap
> >>>> labor sources, opt for what they think is the easy solution. Fuck
> >>>> 'em all!
> >>>> ted
> >>>> "They trundle into the fast food outlet, fat asses leaving the SUV
> >>>> full of plump wives and noisy children. Behind their vehicle is a
> >>>> trailer bearing two ATV's. This family is doing it's outdoor thing".
> >>> The hacks always look for a quick cheap fix. I will bet that American
> >>> industry can produce a solar-boosted electric car faster then the
> >>> first
> >>> drilling rig can be placed.
> >>> bill
> >> There are already rigs off the coast of Florida, they're just not ours.
> >> Why is it that all you anti oil people dont have a problem with us drilling
> >> in other countries and fuckin' up their enviroment?
> >> Just don't do it my backyard, huh?
> >> You're the same people that complain about how bad Bush has made us look to
> >> the rest of the world, but don't take any personal responsiblity of your own
> >> for your views.
> >> The word hypocrite comes to mind.
> >> BTW: WTF are we saving "OUR" oil for?
>
> > there are 1000's of capped wells in the u.s.a. right now, just
> > sitting.
>
> Those are known as non-producing or test wells, you idiot!
>
> > there are many untold leases that were issued to the oil
> > companies, and they are just sitting.
>
> Because the seismic surveys came up poorly, fool.
>
> > the cons and their corporate
> > masters just want to tie up more reserves in their portfolios for
> > future gauging.
>
> I can gauge your stupidity and paranoia quite well, you vermin.
>
> > they will leak the oil out slowly, whilst
>
> Oh stfu, you damned lying whiner!

i see reality is not one of your stronger suits is it. name calling
will not change reality. i see no evidence provided by you that
refutes what i am saying.

== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 19 2008 10:52 am
From: Video61@tcq.net

On Jun 19, 12:38 pm, singularity <r...@kurtz.wheel> wrote:
> retrogro...@comcast.net wrote:
> > On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 22:22:15 -0700, retrogro...@comcast.net wrote:
>
> >> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 21:25:13 -0700, "Clave"
> >> <ClaviusNoSpamDam...@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> There are no Chinese rigs drilling on the Cuba side of the Florida
> >>>>> Strait according people in our government. But there is some truth
> >>>>> to your MIMBY prosecution.
> >>>> You believe our government? There's your problem right there
> >>>> "The U.S. Congress has voted consistently to keep 85% of America's
> >>>> offshore oil and gas off-limits, while China and Cuba drill 60 miles from
> >>>> Key West, Fla. The U.S. Minerals Management Service says that the
> >>>> restricted areas contain 86 billion barrels of oil and 420 trillion cubic
> >>>> feet of natural gas."
>
> >>>>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ibd/20080609/bs_ibd_ibd/20080609issues01
> >>> That's an unsourced op-ed, and it's full of shit.
>
> >>>http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/40776.html
>
> >> Yet no one can prove that the Chinese are drilling anywhere off Cuba's
> >> shoreline. The China-Cuba connection is "akin to urban legend," said
> >> Sen. Mel Martinez, a Republican from Florida who opposes drilling off
> >> the coast of his state but who backs exploration in ANWR.
>
> >> "China is not drilling in Cuba's Gulf of Mexico waters, period," said
> >> Jorge Pinon, an energy fellow with the Center for Hemispheric Policy
> >> at the University of Miami and an expert in oil exploration in the
> >> Gulf of Mexico. Martinez cited Pinon's research when he took to the
> >> Senate floor Wednesday to set the record straight.
>
> >> Even so, the Chinese-drilling-in-Cuba legend has gained momentum and
> >> has been swept up in Republican arguments to open up more U.S.
> >> territory to domestic production.
>
> >> Vice President Dick Cheney, in a speech Wednesday to the U.S. Chamber
> >> of Commerce, picked up the refrain. Cheney quoted a column by George
> >> Will, who wrote last week that "drilling is under way 60 miles off
> >> Florida. The drilling is being done by China, in cooperation with
> >> Cuba, which is drilling closer to South Florida than U.S. companies
> >> are."
>
> >> I think Congress should haul Cheney's but in front of a committee and
> >> roast him for lying again. These grandiose lies serve as a great
> >> entre to hold up how much he personally is liable for lying us into
> >> Iraq. he repeatedly told lies on the Sunday talking heads programs
> >> even after the intelligence agencies told him thy were lies.
>
> > LOL. Seems Cheney realized his liability and "corrected" it.
>
> http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/china_starts_oil_drilling.html
>
> The Chinese have forged a deal with Cuban leader Fidel Castro to explore
> and tap into massive oil reserves almost within sight of Key West,
> Florida. At the same time, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, who
> controls the largest oil reserves in the Western Hemisphere, is making
> deals to sell his country?s oil to China, oil that is currently coming
> to the United States.
>
> Meanwhile, a new left-wing populist regime in Bolivia has nationalized
> the natural gas industry, threatening to cut off supplies to the United
> States.
>
> SLANT DRILLING
>
> There are new reports out circulating that Chinese firms are planning to
> slant drill off the Cuban coast near the Florida Straits, tapping into
> U.S. oil reserves that are estimated at 4.6 billion to 9.3 billion barrels.
>
> China is eager to tap into oil reserves in the Florida Straits and then
> make a deal with Castro to control it. The Chinese have already reopened
> an abandoned Russian oil refinery in Cuba. Much of the gas refined there
> is believed to be destined for Freeport in the Bahamas, where the
> Chinese, through front company Hutchison-Whampoa, has developed a
> massive port facility and airfield.
>
> With the refinery reopened and expanded it will also meet the needs of
> Castro.
>
> Sen. Larry Craig (R-Idaho) has introduced legislation to ease U.S.
> restrictions that prevent dealing with Cuba to drill in the Florida
> Straits. It is hoped that Florida regulations that prevent U.S. oil
> drilling off the state?s coasts could also be eased.

now there is a name that you can count on to be truthful, the toilet
queen! ROTFLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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TOPIC: Citizens Bank giving misleading account balances?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 19 2008 12:11 am
From: Logan Shaw

seeker wrote:
> I have heard of several people i know getting whacked for courtesy
> overdraft fees in the hundreds and aven $12-1500 range. It appears
> that pending transactions are not mentioned when customers call them
> so they end up revising their check registers with incorrect
> balances,causing overdrafts.

I find it impossible to believe that anyone who knows the basics
of how to balance a checkbook could be affected by this. When you
initiate any transaction, you record it in the register, and it is
reflected in the balance you compute. So if you call the bank and
their balance doesn't reflect an outstanding check (or debit card
transaction or whatever else), you're going to go, "well, my register
shows in my own handwriting that check #233 was for $99.50, but the
bank doesn't know about it, so it must not exist"?

- Logan

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TOPIC: Recommendations for a credit card with gas rewards?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 19 2008 12:57 am
From: Shawn Hirn

In article
<197918dd-908a-4d64-b9e7-e94adb83bf9d@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
laredotornado <laredotornado@zipmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> In this time of high gas prices, I am searching for a credit card that
> will give me maximum rewards when I make gas purchases (or purchases
> at gas stations). I carry no credit card debt and pay off my credit
> cards every month.
>
> Thanks for any recommendations, - Dave

Usually, those kind of credit cards are tied to gas stations and/or
convenience stores that are regional. Try checking

http://www.bankrate.com to see what they recommend.

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TOPIC: Frugal solar panels?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 19 2008 5:15 am
From: nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu

<oprah.chopra@gmail.com> wrote:

>Every year I get excited about installing solar panels. I then do my
>research online and quickly get discouraged by the high price tags
>and mediocre performance...

PVs are hideously expensive compared to solar heat from a sunspace, which
can cost 100 times less per peak watt and provide useful floorspace. Most
US houses need several times more heat energy than electrical energy.

With a $50 used car radiator and its 20 watt fans, a sunspace can also
store 140 F water in a large unpressurized tank containing a $60 1"x300'
13-gallon pressurized plastic pipe coil to make hot water for showers.
The same radiator can heat the house with tank water on cloudy days.

Amorphous silicon solar electricity should get cheaper in a year or so,
with companies like XsunX coming on line with a manufacturing cost close
to $1.50 per peak watt for panels which produce more electricity than other
kinds in dim sun and high temperatures. XsunX stock seems interesting at
42 cents/share, with a $21 million venture capital commitment, which isn't
easy to get these days. Unisolar's similar product has a long waiting list.

Nick

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TOPIC: Our Troubled Country - Importing Poverty ( Frosty Wooldridge )
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 19 2008 6:14 am
From: "RM v2.0"

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6btbftF3dorqrU1@mid.individual.net...
> Marcus Aurelius <alexander26a@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> A nation that, through it's Constitution and Declaration of Independence,
>> is founded on virtue,
>
> Been having those pathetic little drug crazed fantasys long ?
>
>> can not last when immigrants, both legal and illegal, are admitted
>> to the USA in willful disrespect for this basic principle.
>
> How odd that its the immigrants that turned the place from somewhere
> where savages killed each other enthusiastically into what it is today.
>
Different group and a different time. This current crop is reversing that
and turning back into a savage area.

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TOPIC: Instant Homework Help !
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 19 2008 7:03 am
From: Romanise

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TOPIC: Would you tip this person?
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 19 2008 7:41 am
From: NB

I took my car in to the dealer for maintenance. They have a free
shuttle that will take you anywhere (like to your job), and then pick
you up when they are done with the maintenance. Should the driver be
tipped? If so, how much?

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 19 2008 7:52 am
From: Joe Negron

On 2008-06-19, NB <nobuyout@gmail.com> wrote:
>I took my car in to the dealer for maintenance. They have a free
>shuttle that will take you anywhere (like to your job), and then pick
>you up when they are done with the maintenance. Should the driver be
>tipped? If so, how much?

If it were me and I felt the driver went above and beyond what his/her
duties entailed, I would consider a tip. If I happened to know the
driver were well paid, I probably wouldn't.

--
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In America the President reigns for four years, and Journalism governs
for ever and ever.
--Oscar Wilde

War is good for business - invest your son.
--antiwar bumper sticker from the 1960s
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Joe Negron from Bensonhurst, Brooklyn, NY, USA

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 19 2008 8:20 am
From: "Bill"

If you have extra money to give away to people, then tip away!

Or if you are going to be seeing this person again in the future, then it
might be to your advantage to give some sort of tip. Then you will be
assured good service in the future.

If you are never going to see this person again and don't have extra money
to be giving away to people, then no tip.

If you don't have any money to spare (like due to the high cost of your
repair) and the person has been extra friendly or helpful, then instead of a
tip, get his/her name and tell his boss what a good job he/she is doing.

"NB" wrote in message
>I took my car in to the dealer for maintenance. They have a free
> shuttle that will take you anywhere (like to your job), and then pick
> you up when they are done with the maintenance. Should the driver be
> tipped? If so, how much?

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 19 2008 8:33 am
From: James

On Jun 19, 11:20 am, "Bill" <billnomailnosp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> If you have extra money to give away to people, then tip away!
>
> Or if you are going to be seeing this person again in the future, then it
> might be to your advantage to give some sort of tip. Then you will be
> assured good service in the future.
>
> If you are never going to see this person again and don't have extra money
> to be giving away to people, then no tip.
>
> If you don't have any money to spare (like due to the high cost of your
> repair) and the person has been extra friendly or helpful, then instead of a
> tip, get his/her name and tell his boss what a good job he/she is doing.
>
>
>
> "NB" wrote in message
> >I took my car in to the dealer for maintenance. They have a free
> > shuttle that will take you anywhere (like to your job), and then pick
> > you up when they are done with the maintenance. Should the driver be
> > tipped? If so, how much?

I often take airport shuttles to budget car parks. I often wondered if
I should tip. Judging from others actions, people don't generally.
However I have made an exception when they get out of their seat and
help me with my bags. A couple of bucks would be sufficient for a
couple fo bags.

James

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 19 2008 9:45 am
From: George Grapman

James wrote:
> On Jun 19, 11:20 am, "Bill" <billnomailnosp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> If you have extra money to give away to people, then tip away!
>>
>> Or if you are going to be seeing this person again in the future, then it
>> might be to your advantage to give some sort of tip. Then you will be
>> assured good service in the future.
>>
>> If you are never going to see this person again and don't have extra money
>> to be giving away to people, then no tip.
>>
>> If you don't have any money to spare (like due to the high cost of your
>> repair) and the person has been extra friendly or helpful, then instead of a
>> tip, get his/her name and tell his boss what a good job he/she is doing.
>>
>>
>>
>> "NB" wrote in message
>>> I took my car in to the dealer for maintenance. They have a free
>>> shuttle that will take you anywhere (like to your job), and then pick
>>> you up when they are done with the maintenance. Should the driver be
>>> tipped? If so, how much?
>
> I often take airport shuttles to budget car parks. I often wondered if
> I should tip. Judging from others actions, people don't generally.
> However I have made an exception when they get out of their seat and
> help me with my bags. A couple of bucks would be sufficient for a
> couple fo bags.
>
> James
>
>
>
On my last trip I parked at a lot near the airport. The shuttle
driver took my stuff on and off the van so a tip was appropriate.
Speaking if tips, I once drove a taxi in New York and there was a
network of information passed along between those who dealt with bad
tippers. Examples:

Passenger gives bad tip or no tip to skycap who tells driver.
If passengers are not headed to a hotel the driver,upon
arriving,simply opens the trunk and does not handle the bags. At the
time the law said a driver could not charge extra for luggage but was
under no obligation to handle it.
If they go to a hotel the people at the hotel will take the luggage.
Driver tells them they are bad tippers. Guests wonder why room service
is so slow.

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TOPIC: Storm door handle REPAIR?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 19 2008 8:25 am
From: Jeff

turtlelover wrote:
> h wrote:
>> "turtlelover" <turtlelover@DONOTenter.net> wrote in message
>> news:48587878$0$18957$cd3e3bf6@news.enter.net...
>>
>>> Gordon wrote:
>>>
>>>> turtlelover <turtlelover@DONOTenter.net> wrote in
>>>> news:48580e80$0$18913$cd3e3bf6@news.enter.net:
>>>>
>>>>> I know that I can purchase new handles for my storm doors, but I
>>>>> wonder if anyone has successfully repaired the latching mechanism.
>>>
>>> <description snipped>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, Frugalites.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Take the thing off the door (only three screws). The spring will
>>>> be quite evident. Take it to a good hardware store and get a
>>>> replacement spring. Note: Springs are not a commonly stocked item.
>>>> You might have to
>>>> try an auto parts store. Once you find a store that stocks a good
>>>> source of springs; remember it.
>>>
>>
>> You can also get the right wire and make your own springs. You just
>> need the right size metal core with a hole in one end. For really
>> large springs or heavy wire, insert the core in your drill and slowly
>> wind the wire around the core. That's the easiest way to make chain
>> mail, although you wind that a lot tighter than a spring.
>>
>
>
> Even cheaper yet! Now, off to find the wire.

Buy the spring! It's not a bad idea to find a good hardware store, all
of them will have some drawers with misc hardware, including spring.

Not every wire will make a good spring, most won't. If you have some
piano wire (the name is a bit of a misnomer as it's not for pianos), you
can wind one. Otherwise you'll have springs that will come unsprung!

Jeff

>
> Many thanks,
> Turtlelover

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TOPIC: "Dat stock market jis the shits", Thus sprake Uncle Remus.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/01d36f3daeeaba94?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 19 2008 8:47 am
From: billimmelman@yahoo.com

On Jun 19, 8:28 am, billimmel...@yahoo.com wrote:
> "Watch dem mofo's jabbering bouts Starbucks an how McDonald's be
> taking over the world.Same wiff dat Kentuck Fried Chicken. Sheeet. And
> them cars, chinks gonna build sumptin cheaper and better. I jis gonna
> keep on eating my collard greens and scratching my dawgs ass. Be fun
> watching those New Yorkers shitting in the pants."
>
> bill

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TOPIC: 2009 Prius - why such a big engine?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/64b8bb7586b7de99?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 19 2008 9:02 am
From: Ron Peterson

On Jun 14, 3:09 pm, j...@VictorTangoEleven.net.invalid (Jordan Hazen)
wrote:

> A "series" hybrid works that way, but current cars on the market are
> all "parallel" designs, where both gasonline engine and electric motor
> are mechanically coupled to the wheels, using a rather clever sort of
> transmission.

How are the rear wheels powered on the 2008 Highlander Hybrid? I
thought that they were only powered by a shared electric motor.

--
Ron

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TOPIC: run yo car on Water?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/a2d4d2dcf22b0d4a?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 19 2008 9:03 am
From: Cheapo Groovo

In article <9eGdnZpp47UilMrVnZ2dnUVZ_szinZ2d@earthlink.com>,
derald@invalid.net says...
> JonL <JonL@Mayday.com> wrote:
>
> >It works in Japan:
> No, it doesn't. It doesn't work anyplace in this universe. Your
> bullshit citation is no more authoritative (or believable) than the
> silly link OP posted. You'll use more energy electrolysing the water
> than you'll get out of it, even if you use the AC mains to do it, much
> less your damned automobile ginny; sheesh.... That must be one of the
> revolutionary mileage secrets the big government agencies, automobile
> companies, oil companies -- pick whichever one raises your skirt --
> bought and hid away.
>
We are just the messengers. Why don't you complain to the news agency
that provided the video or contact the company that made the car?

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TOPIC: How to re-program car remotes
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/6dcc4ba7e27a87b5?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 19 2008 9:12 am
From: Bebe

On Jun 18, 1:52 pm, Kompu Kid <deg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hello All:
>
> I am about to purchase a Chevrolet remote for the doors to replace my
> broken one.
>
> How do I program it to work with my door? Do I go to the dealer? Can a
> lock smith do it?
>
> Thanks
>
> Deguza

Where are you purchasing it?
Bebe

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