Frugal Living: 25 new messages in 10 topics

Monday, July 28, 2008

25 new messages in 10 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: How to stop debt collectors from calling?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/b2496090b808d63c?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 27 2008 10:32 pm
From: phil scott

On Jul 27, 2:56 pm, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
> phil scott wrote:
> > On Jul 27, 11:10 am, Samantha Hill - remove TRASH to reply
> > <samh...@TRASHsonic.net> wrote:
> >> OhioGuy wrote:
>
> >>> Is there anything we can do in order to stop all of these harassing calls?
> >> I was told by the people who called me (when I shattered my wrist and
> >> had practically no income coming in for months) that if I made *some*
> >> payment, even if it wasn't a full payment, that they would stop calling.
>
> > on a thinly related issue.. if you have a debt about to go past the
> > statute of limitations, some bogus over billed amount from a hospital
> > for instance (over billing is common... and people without insurance
> > get billed 2x or more than insurance companies on many cases)...and
> > you pay even one cent on it..the statute of limitations resets...
> > expect another 7 years of harrassment.
>
> > in that case a good button to learn how to use on yer cell phone is
> > the little red one, says 'end' on it.... but you must do it in the
> > first second or so before your blood pressure goes up.... just hold
> > the cell in your left hand and using your right index finger press
> > down on the button.
>
> "MUTE" also works. They keep talking and get very upset when they
> think you hung up.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

a person could try putting the cell into a coffee can..

"hheelloooo ooheloolo iisssis ttthiss thss mmmissttter " that way
the poor sot can at least entertain hiimself.

you could drop in the occasional marble

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 6:14 am
From: "Stephanie"

George Grapman wrote:
> ChairMan wrote:
>> In news:_96jk.16496$mh5.72@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com,
>> George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net>spewed forth:
>>> phil scott wrote:
>>>> On Jul 27, 11:10 am, Samantha Hill - remove TRASH to reply
>>>> <samh...@TRASHsonic.net> wrote:
>>>>> OhioGuy wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there anything we can do in order to stop all of these
>>>>>> harassing calls?
>>>>> I was told by the people who called me (when I shattered my wrist
>>>>> and had practically no income coming in for months) that if I made
>>>>> *some* payment, even if it wasn't a full payment, that they would
>>>>> stop calling.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> on a thinly related issue.. if you have a debt about to go past the
>>>> statute of limitations, some bogus over billed amount from a
>>>> hospital for instance (over billing is common... and people
>>>> without insurance get billed 2x or more than insurance companies
>>>> on many cases)...and you pay even one cent on it..the statute of
>>>> limitations resets... expect another 7 years of harrassment.
>>>>
>>>> in that case a good button to learn how to use on yer cell phone is
>>>> the little red one, says 'end' on it.... but you must do it in the
>>>> first second or so before your blood pressure goes up.... just hold
>>>> the cell in your left hand and using your right index finger press
>>>> down on the button.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> "MUTE" also works. They keep talking and get very upset when they
>>> think you hung up.
>>
>> A whistle works well too
>>
>>
>
>
> I first used "MUTE" years ago when some tout services got my
> number.Polite requests to stop, threats of legal action and cursing
> all were to no avail. They often called back within seconds after
> I hung up. Finally I began to hut "MUTE" when the canned pitch
> started"
> "So,George, what credit card would you like to use?"
> "Hello,George,are you there?"
> "God damn it, I gave this guy my A material and he walked away from
> the phone"
>
>
> Another one is gibberish:
>
> "No speak English"
> "Habla espanol?"
> "prosrty eevantey frobjika mieeryok?"

Give the phone to your 4 year old, if you are lucky enough to have one.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 7:18 am
From: George Grapman

Select call forwarding allows you to forward calls from certain
numbers and only those numbers. Have their calls forwarded to a
disconnected number.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 7:50 am
From: "Dave"

"George Grapman" <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote in message
news:1xkjk.18726$Ri.8675@flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com...
> Select call forwarding allows you to forward calls from certain
> numbers and only those numbers. Have their calls forwarded to a
> disconnected number.

What fun is that? Bill collectors use several numbers. Forward call from
XYZ to another one of XYZs phone numbers. Let them call themselves. -Dave

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 8:28 am
From: George Grapman

Dave wrote:
> "George Grapman" <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote in message
> news:1xkjk.18726$Ri.8675@flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com...
>> Select call forwarding allows you to forward calls from certain
>> numbers and only those numbers. Have their calls forwarded to a
>> disconnected number.
>
> What fun is that? Bill collectors use several numbers. Forward call from
> XYZ to another one of XYZs phone numbers. Let them call themselves. -Dave
>
>
You are right. That is a much better idea.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 8:38 am
From: George Grapman

I had a room mate once who was getting calls almost every day. When
they would call he would pretend to be another person and say "that SOB
skipped out on two months rent. Tell you what, give me your number and
if I find out where he is I will let you know and if you track him down
you can tell me"

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TOPIC: herrenbekleidung bestellen uebergroesse herrenbekleidung bestellen
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http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/924941610f1a5859?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 2:54 am
From: thegodfather1212@googlemail.com

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TOPIC: how to survive the heat and cold on a low budget
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/ada7c54e5466e89d?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 4:32 am
From: "Stephanie"

phil scott wrote:
> Keep the house more or less at outside tempurature, except in the
> winter heat it to 45F or so... then sleep and read and watch da tee
> veee in one room.... that one you keep heated and cooled with a
> chinese window heat pump..... costs about $200 bucks.
>
>
> then at night in the winter set its thermostat to 50F or so, and use a
> matrress warmer.
>
> if you want to run even cheaper in hot weather, put yer easy chair and
> bed near the air conditioner and put the fan ON and set the thermostat
> up to 78F or so... the breeze and dehumidified air will keep you cool.
>
>
> If you want to save even more, insulate the windows with reflective
> insulation about 1" thick.... blow some extra insulation into the
> attic above the room, insulate the floor of the room under the
> house.....and walk around free bird :).... coolness will ensue.
>
> cheap.
>
>
> Phil scott (hvac contractor)

For us, we can spend some time and not money by harvesting the dead trees on
our property for the wood stove. Last year we were able to barter almost a
year's worth of wood for 4 days of labor with a logger and sugar maker. I
know not everyone has access to this sort of thing. But it can help to think
outside the box a bit.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 6:27 am
From: A Veteran

In article
<88a48c30-8526-4327-9895-12129a4c0567@j1g2000prb.googlegroups.com>,
phil scott <phil@philscott.net> wrote:

> On Jul 27, 6:46 pm, Vic Smith <thismailautodele...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:27:50 -0700 (PDT), phil scott
> >
> > <p...@philscott.net> wrote:
> >
> > >re the wife, maybe you can tell her she looks hot in thick socks, long
> > >pants and heavy sweaters..
> >
> > She does look hot no matter how she's dressed, and knows it.
> > Trouble is, she don't care!
> > She just wants to cook and do dishes without shivering or sweating.
> > And I can't sweet talk her out of that, as much as I've tried.
> >
> > --Vic
>
> Ok ok.. she cooks! does dishes! and is hot!!!... you cant beat
> that. you have to keeep her cool.
>
> you could buy her an ice cube maybe.
>
>
>
> L\\

Ice cubes have really gone up in price.
--
If guns are out-lawed. Only the Out-laws & politicians will have guns.

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TOPIC: How to spend less electricity?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/6a8e6e539cfb63a9?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 4:33 am
From: "Stephanie"

Tim Smith wrote:
> In article
> <351df7b5-9381-43ff-99bd-24be5d31ac76@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com>,
> Arumugham <n.arumugham@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Keep light fixtures clean to get optimum light.
>
> How will that save electricity? The bulb doesn't know or care that
> some of the light it is producing gets blocked by a dirty fixture.
> It's going to consume the same electricity either way.

Only need to turn on one eather than two since the first does the whole
lighting job, perhaps?

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TOPIC: Spam from India
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/3522ecb084e98f00?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 4:32 am
From: clams_casino

f l o r a wrote:

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>
>
>

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 4:38 am
From: Jay

clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote in
news:87ijk.5453$1N1.429@newsfe07.iad:

> f l o r a wrote:
>
>>one click can change your life !!!!!!!!!!!!!

> Before you link with spam such as this -

Report to F L O R A 's ISP & hosting site

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TOPIC: WARNING RE PURITAN'S PRIDE SHIPPMENTS
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/d7d3e0a5dbac9a4f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 4:44 am
From: "h"

"RF" <RF@NoDen.con> wrote in message
news:6f51nfF9op4tU1@mid.individual.net...
> idesofmarch wrote:
>> Don't count on getting your Puritan's Pride vitamins/supplements order
>> on time; in good condition, since their main method of shipping is UPS
>> (united parcel service) UPS has repeatedly ignored instructions to
>> require a signature to ensure
>> delivery to the right party, leaves stuff with neighbors anyways. My
>> last order of nutritional oils had to be thrown away because the UPS
>> driver left the stuff in the sun (on purpose I suspect, following my
>> complaints to UPS). Faxes to the CEO of Puritan's Pride, Scott Rudolf
>> (German SS? ha!) has
>> been ignored about this issue. Apparently, he does not give a sh*t. If
>> anyone knows a better supplier with better shipping please post here.
>

FedEx ground is the worst. It might be their procedures, it might just be a
moron driver. This doofus leaves packages in the middle of the driveway
because "People want to find their stuff when they get home from work."
Okay. However, since I work at home, my parcels are addressed to a business,
there is a separate business door with a sign and a covered porch, how about
leaving the boxes there? There's a sign on all four doors of my home
indicating that packages should be left on the business door porch (first
doorway you come to). No other carrier (including FedEx overnight) has any
problem leaving packages on the porch, since it's the easiest, closest, and
logical place. FedEx ground, however, persists in leaving stuff in the
middle of the uncovered driveway. I just love finding a sopping wet package
after 3-4 days. According to the local FedEx office, the driver isn't doing
anything wrong. Apparently it's ok to just pull into my semi-circular
driveway, slow down, toss out the package, and then continue on to the next
delivery. I actually saw the guy do that once - he didn't even come close to
a complete stop. Once, when the garage door was open (I was unloading
groceries and the guy must have come while I was inside), a package was
tossed underneath the car and I didn't find it until after I'd run it over
the next time I went out. FedEx ground sucks.

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TOPIC: Orville Redenbacher pulling a fast one
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/b669c218ef2bb5ef?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 27 2008 4:49 pm
From: Dave

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:20:12 -0600
timeOday <timeOday-UNSPAM@theknack.net> wrote:

> At Costco my wife got one of our regular items, a 32 pack of microwave
> popcorn. I popped one and it seemed not to pop up, so I popped it
> until it burned and I threw it away.
>
> I popped a second one. When it came out, it was also puny, but then I
> noticed the bag was fully puffed. They have decreased the size.
> Besides being effectively a price hike, it's annoying because if I
> cook the smaller ones for the normal amount of time they burn.

Are you sure your wife bought the normal size? Most microwave popcorn
now is sold in two sizes. The bigger is large enough for two people to
share, but they also sell small bags, just right for a snack for one
person.

Oh, and you should get a microwave with a popcorn button, if you enjoy
microwave popcorn. Our microwave pops both sizes of popcorn,
perfectly. One button, no guessing at time. -Dave

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 8:27 am
From: timeOday

Dave wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:20:12 -0600
> timeOday <timeOday-UNSPAM@theknack.net> wrote:
>
>> At Costco my wife got one of our regular items, a 32 pack of microwave
>> popcorn. I popped one and it seemed not to pop up, so I popped it
>> until it burned and I threw it away.
>>
>> I popped a second one. When it came out, it was also puny, but then I
>> noticed the bag was fully puffed. They have decreased the size.
>> Besides being effectively a price hike, it's annoying because if I
>> cook the smaller ones for the normal amount of time they burn.
>
> Are you sure your wife bought the normal size? Most microwave popcorn
> now is sold in two sizes. The bigger is large enough for two people to
> share, but they also sell small bags, just right for a snack for one
> person.
>
> Oh, and you should get a microwave with a popcorn button, if you enjoy
> microwave popcorn. Our microwave pops both sizes of popcorn,
> perfectly. One button, no guessing at time. -Dave

How do those popcorn buttons work? Do they listen for popping?

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 9:05 am
From: "Dave"

> > Are you sure your wife bought the normal size? Most microwave popcorn
> > now is sold in two sizes. The bigger is large enough for two people to
> > share, but they also sell small bags, just right for a snack for one
> > person.
> >
> > Oh, and you should get a microwave with a popcorn button, if you enjoy
> > microwave popcorn. Our microwave pops both sizes of popcorn,
> > perfectly. One button, no guessing at time. -Dave
>
> How do those popcorn buttons work? Do they listen for popping?

From expert reviews I've read of some microwaves, I gather that the
auto-cook functions have some kind of humidity sensor, which would make
sense. That is, the food gets warm, humidity level increases inside the
microwave...someone did the measurements and math and determined that X food
was just right at Y humidity level...

From experience of hundreds of bags of popcorn popped, I can tell you that
the popcorn button (if your microwave has one) should work great. Ours
does. It is a Kenmore brand microwave, manufactured by LG
Goldstar). -Dave

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TOPIC: Child Self Confidence
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/5bced8a475275fe1?hl=en
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Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 7:18 am
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TOPIC: Why not refrigerate everything?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/e6e88cae50da47d8?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 7:20 am
From: me@privacy.net

Why not refrigerate everything?

I live in an apartment and the fridge is supplied by
the landlord but on the small side to say the least.

However, I've been thinking abt buying a small freezer
to supplant the fridge and give me the ability to store
more foods in bulk. I live alone so don't need a HUGE
freezer..... maybe 7 cu foot.

But I had what may be and even better idea.... what
would be wrong with refrigerating EVRYTHING except can
goods?

I could buy another fridge with built in freezer and
get additional freezer space..... but also get
additional fridge space where I could store boxes of
cereal, oatmeal, and other things you normally don't
think abt storing in a fridge.

What you think abt my idea? Do many out there put
things in a fridge that doesn't normally go in
there..... granola bars, cereals, breads?

Or am I best to just buy a small freezer ONLY and
forget abt the extra fridge space?

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 7:50 am
From: James

On Jul 28, 10:20 am, m...@privacy.net wrote:
> Why not refrigerate everything?
>
> I live in an apartment and the fridge is supplied by
> the landlord but on the small side to say the least.
>
> However, I've been thinking abt buying a small freezer
> to supplant the fridge and give me the ability to store
> more foods in bulk. I live alone so don't need a HUGE
> freezer..... maybe 7 cu foot.
>
> But I had what may be and even better idea.... what
> would be wrong with refrigerating EVRYTHING except can
> goods?
>
> I could buy another fridge with built in freezer and
> get additional freezer space..... but also get
> additional fridge space where I could store boxes of
> cereal, oatmeal, and other things you normally don't
> think abt storing in a fridge.
>
> What you think abt my idea? Do many out there put
> things in a fridge that doesn't normally go in
> there..... granola bars, cereals, breads?
>
> Or am I best to just buy a small freezer ONLY and
> forget abt the extra fridge space?

I don't like the taste of bread that's been in the frige.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 9:20 am
From: Sue Bilkens

when I lived in a cockroach infested building all food went int he fridge where
the cock roaches can't get into

On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:20:36 -0500, in misc.consumers.frugal-living
me@privacy.net wrote:

>Why not refrigerate everything?
>
>I live in an apartment and the fridge is supplied by
>the landlord but on the small side to say the least.
>
>However, I've been thinking act buying a small freezer
>to supplant the fridge and give me the ability to store
>more foods in bulk. I live alone so don't need a HUGE
>freezer..... maybe 7 cu foot.
>
>But I had what may be and even better idea.... what
>would be wrong with refrigerating EVRYTHING except can
>goods?
>
>I could buy another fridge with built in freezer and
>get additional freezer space..... but also get
>additional fridge space where I could store boxes of
>cereal, oatmeal, and other things you normally don't
>think act storing in a fridge.
>
>What you think act my idea? Do many out there put
>things in a fridge that doesn't normally go in
>there..... granola bars, cereals, breads?
>
>Or am I best to just buy a small freezer ONLY and
>forget act the extra fridge space?

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TOPIC: Air Fresheners Can Poison the Air Around You
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/f80610848bbbd92b?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 9:05 am
From: Dave

Prof. Anne Steinemann of the University of Washington recently
performed a study of top-selling laundry products and air fresheners.
She found the products emitted dozens of different chemicals; in fact,
all six products tested gave off at least one chemical regulated as
toxic or hazardous under federal laws.

Oddly enough, those chemicals were not listed on the product labels!

"People were telling me that the air fresheners in public restrooms
and the scent from laundry products vented outdoors were making them
sick," said Prof. Steinemann, a UW professor of civil and
environmental engineering. "And I wanted to know what is causing these
effects.'"

It was then that she discovered a surprising number of potentially
toxic chemicals, including acetone, the active ingredient in paint
thinner and nail-polish remover; limonene (a molecule with a citrus
scent) and acetaldehyde, chloromethane and 1,4-dioxane.

"Nearly 100 volatile organic compounds were emitted from these six
products, and none were listed on any product label. Plus, five of the
six products emitted one or more carcinogenic 'hazardous air
pollutants,' which are considered by the Environmental Protection
Agency to have no safe exposure level at all," Steinemann said.

Her study was published online last week by the journal "Environmental
Impact Assessment Review." Steinemann chose not to disclose the brand
names of the six products she tested. In a larger study of 25
cleaners, personal care products, air fresheners and laundry products,
now submitted for publication, she found that many other brands
contained similar chemicals.

Manufacturers of consumer products are not required to disclose their
ingredients. All these items were household items purchased at a
grocery store, in addition to samples of industrial products that were
requested of supplier companies.

In the laboratory, each product was placed in an isolated space at
room temperature and the surrounding air was analyzed for volatile
organic compounds, small molecules that evaporate from the product's
surface into the air.

Results showed 58 different volatile organic compounds above a
concentration of 300 micrograms per cubic meter, many of which were
present in more than one of the six products. For instance, a plug-in
air freshener contained more than 20 different volatile organic
compounds. Of these, seven are regulated as toxic or hazardous under
federal laws. The product label lists no ingredients, and information
on the Material Safety Data Sheet, required for workplace handling of
chemicals, lists the contents as "mixture of perfume oils."

The European Union recently enacted legislation requiring products to
list 26 fragrance chemicals when they are present above a certain
concentration in cosmetic products and detergents. No similar laws
exist in the United States.

Dave

Full text article above extracted from http://shamvswham.blogspot.com/

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 9:07 am
From: clams_casino

Dave the sham spammer wrote:

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 9:12 am
From: Dave

On Jul 28, 9:07 am, clams_casino <PeterGrif...@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
> Dave the sham spammer wrote:
>
> <snipped>

What a putz you are "Clams." There are a zillion "Nike shoes for less"
posts on your forum and you object to an article of interest to
anyone, just because it has a link to other articles? There are no
ads, no commercial sponsors, and no agenda's other than to spread
health information. Good luck finding a spam element to that.

Dave

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 9:21 am
From: Sue Bilkens

I believe it....

On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:05:27 -0700 (PDT), in misc.consumers.frugal-living Dave
<djensen36@cox.net> wrote:

>Prof. Anne Steinemann of the University of Washington recently
>performed a study of top-selling laundry products and air fresheners.
>She found the products emitted dozens of different chemicals; in fact,
>all six products tested gave off at least one chemical regulated as
>toxic or hazardous under federal laws.
>
>Oddly enough, those chemicals were not listed on the product labels!
>
>"People were telling me that the air fresheners in public restrooms
>and the scent from laundry products vented outdoors were making them
>sick," said Prof. Steinemann, a UW professor of civil and
>environmental engineering. "And I wanted to know what is causing these
>effects.'"
>
>It was then that she discovered a surprising number of potentially
>toxic chemicals, including acetone, the active ingredient in paint
>thinner and nail-polish remover; limonene (a molecule with a citrus
>scent) and acetaldehyde, chloromethane and 1,4-dioxane.
>
>"Nearly 100 volatile organic compounds were emitted from these six
>products, and none were listed on any product label. Plus, five of the
>six products emitted one or more carcinogenic 'hazardous air
>pollutants,' which are considered by the Environmental Protection
>Agency to have no safe exposure level at all," Steinemann said.
>
>Her study was published online last week by the journal "Environmental
>Impact Assessment Review." Steinemann chose not to disclose the brand
>names of the six products she tested. In a larger study of 25
>cleaners, personal care products, air fresheners and laundry products,
>now submitted for publication, she found that many other brands
>contained similar chemicals.
>
>Manufacturers of consumer products are not required to disclose their
>ingredients. All these items were household items purchased at a
>grocery store, in addition to samples of industrial products that were
>requested of supplier companies.
>
>In the laboratory, each product was placed in an isolated space at
>room temperature and the surrounding air was analyzed for volatile
>organic compounds, small molecules that evaporate from the product's
>surface into the air.
>
>Results showed 58 different volatile organic compounds above a
>concentration of 300 micrograms per cubic meter, many of which were
>present in more than one of the six products. For instance, a plug-in
>air freshener contained more than 20 different volatile organic
>compounds. Of these, seven are regulated as toxic or hazardous under
>federal laws. The product label lists no ingredients, and information
>on the Material Safety Data Sheet, required for workplace handling of
>chemicals, lists the contents as "mixture of perfume oils."
>
>The European Union recently enacted legislation requiring products to
>list 26 fragrance chemicals when they are present above a certain
>concentration in cosmetic products and detergents. No similar laws
>exist in the United States.
>
>Dave
>
>Full text article above extracted from http://shamvswham.blogspot.com/

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 9:31 am
From: George Grapman

clams_casino wrote:
> Dave the sham spammer wrote:
>
> <snipped>

Take it as a compliment when the spammers get upset.

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