Wednesday, July 9, 2008

25 new messages in 13 topics - digest

misc.consumers.frugal-living
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Today's topics:

* Surviving high heating oil prices - 6 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/a184bef53e828bc7?hl=en
* Frugal tourism & living in Paris, France - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/d5bb9e7bbbf4d376?hl=en
* Bush STILL Pushing Increasing U.S. Population - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/abca4c0b7df632ec?hl=en
* Sale cheap Ed hardy BBC GGG Bape CA Coogi Lacoste Polo Prada D&G A&F T-
shirts shirt - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/7ac5d7ff16eddbe7?hl=en
* protecting books and papers in storage - 4 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/99c6b6763db98bef?hl=en
* Frugal decorating - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/03f6b45cea257583?hl=en
* Bankruptcy can be avoided. Free Report. - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/6a8654676e4f03e8?hl=en
* Renter's Insurance - Coverage question - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/af9a0c1286b64bd6?hl=en
* "Dry Drowning" - A rare killer not many people know about. - 2 messages, 2
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/b55c3a6af4edeab8?hl=en
* free.uk.diy.home,misc.consumers.frugal-living,misc.consumers.house,alt.home.
repair - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/e8aec9ce39d6bf84?hl=en
* cheap product for your beacutiful life accept paypal - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/d007a47f60a7fc13?hl=en
* Toshiba laptop bought at Office Depot - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/61ce820af43ce054?hl=en
* Electricity cost breakdown in average USA home - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/21766bdce8117f83?hl=en

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TOPIC: Surviving high heating oil prices
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/a184bef53e828bc7?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 8 2008 7:50 pm
From: "JonquilJan"


> >
> > You may be right, but I read this differently than you do. I can't say
> > that I've seen a house of that era that had vertical plank walls that
was
> > completely solid. Building styles vary depending on access to materials
> > but I would be surprised if her walls were solid.
> >
>
> I would. I'd expect they're just like mine (1815 or so). I've got 4x4
studs
> 12-15" apart, with brick and mortar filling the entire space in between.
> Over that is shiplap, then clapboards. Not exactly possible to blow
anything
> in.
>
>

Mine are solid planks. They are almost 3 inches thick. Can still see the
corner posts in two downstairs rooms - probably from the original 2 room
cabin. There was one home about half a mile from me - where it was tried to
insulate. Once they took off the outer shell, there was a frame of very
large hand hewn (could see the ax marks) beans - filled in with bricks and
mortar between. The house was eventually torn down.

JonquilJan

Learn something new every day
As long as you are learning, you are living
When you stop learning, you start dying


== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 8 2008 7:54 pm
From: "JonquilJan"


<nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu> wrote in message
news:g4ti26$hq7@acadia.ece.villanova.edu...
> "JonquilJan" <ward39@imcnet.net> wrote:
>
> > wondering about heating this next winter...
>
> How about solar heat from a commercial plastic film greenhouse
perpendicular
> to the east or west side of the house on the south side? For $1K and 3
days
> labor you can have a 14'x96' solar hot air collector...
>
> Nick
>

South side of the house (and a lot of the east and west sides as well) are
heavily shaded. and the solar output in this area is not enough to keep the
small solar garden lamps going. and I don't have $1K or enough to pay for 3
days labor even so.

And natural gas not available. Either propane (which is what I have now)
oil (neighbor) or electric.

Still considering that oil filled heater.

Jan

Learn something new every day
As long as you are learning, you are living
When you stop learning, you start dying


== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 8 2008 7:57 pm
From: "JonquilJan"


>
> Forgot to ask if you have a basement.
>
> Yes, electric can be cheaper than kerosene by a mile.
> I think the oil filled ones are safest. Fans and radiant heaters have more
fire problems.
>
> >
> >greg

Half basement - actually about a third basement. Stone walls. room for
furnace, hot water heater and lots of canning jars - some of them full. Can
walk out of the basement on the level - and land drops away another 15+ feet
within 6 feet of the back of the house. (Live on a ridge.)

JonquilJan

Learn something new every day
As long as you are learning, you are living
When you stop learning, you start dying


== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 9 2008 5:49 am
From: zekfrivo@zekfrivolous.com (GregS)


In article <MPG.22dc75a74f5b2ec9989e63@news.individual.net>, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>In article <g4t9ev$s6t$1@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>,
>zekfrivo@zekfrivolous.com says...
>> In article
> <f2bf0bee-a033-4e12-813d-bfac9bb8c0f7@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, Ron
> Peterson <ron@shell.core.com> wrote:
>> >On Jul 2, 8:15=A0am, "Bill" <billnomailnosp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> It seems heating oil prices for next winter are going through the roof!
>> >
>> >Convert to natural gas. It's cheaper, cleaner, and the utility can't
>> >cut you off.
>> >
>>
>> Some people can't get gas except propane. Geothermal heat pump is the way
>> to go. I wish I had one. If I had more info I might have tried to install one
> myself.
>
>Rather pricey installation costs though. Unless you have something
>bigger than a shovel, it's a tough DIY. ;-)
>
>> I had oil for one season. That cost me about $1000 for the winter. I save a
> little
>> since I had a gas line installed and use natural gas. New line, furnace, air,
> hot water
>> heater for about $5500. My electric is cheap. Just wish I had the geopump.
>
>In Vermont we used to go through about 225 gallons every three
>weeks. We switched to natural gas about ten years ago even though
>oil was a bit cheaper at the time. It cost me $25 plus $12/month for
>a new burner. The gas company even ripped up the yard and replanted
>the next spring.
>
>Even though I have electric heat now (NE Ohio), electric heat would
>have killed me then. My heating plan is to move further South. ;-)
>
>> Man that oil furnace used to pump out 160 degree heat from the vents, or what
> ever
>> the overtemp setting was. Two of the cold air returns were blocked by rugs
> when I moved
>> in. I also insreased fan speed. That oil furnace was 55 years old and still
> working. Could
>> burn type I or II fuel.
>
>Can't they all? Type-1 is kerosene, which is simply more highly
>refined #2 fuel oil.

I don't think so. Kerosene is thinner. I forgot the explanation on the pump why it could use both fuels.
When I moved in the house the two tanks were half full. I only added and extra 150 gallons for
the rest of the winter. Sure glad to get rid of the stink and noise. Like a jet engine starting
up rumbling the house. And, I crossed my fingers all winter wondering if that 55 year old thing would keep running.
For years my brother would buy oil in the summer when it was cheaper. Now he has some for back up, and just uses electric.
About 4500 watts for the whole house. Says its cheaper.

greg

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 9 2008 7:17 am
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com


On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 22:50:07 -0400, "JonquilJan" <ward39@imcnet.net>
wrote:

>There was one home about half a mile from me - where it was tried to
>insulate. Once they took off the outer shell, there was a frame of very
>large hand hewn (could see the ax marks) beans - filled in with bricks and
>mortar between.

Are you trying to make my day? :-) Chickpea

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 9 2008 6:59 am
From: "h"

<hchickpea@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:33i974tg8ojk98l0l343fnj8iravfqutmg@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 22:50:07 -0400, "JonquilJan" <ward39@imcnet.net>
> wrote:
>
>>There was one home about half a mile from me - where it was tried to
>>insulate. Once they took off the outer shell, there was a frame of very
>>large hand hewn (could see the ax marks) beans - filled in with bricks
>>and
>>mortar between.
>
Everything in my house was hand hewn. The home inspector who did the report
before I bought the place thought the joists weren't real wood because they
were "misshapen and just way too big" (his words). When I pointed out that
the house was nearly 200 years old, he then assumed that the wood would be
rotten. He was extremely surprised that everything in the house was just
fine. He commented that the house was "better built than anything they're
making now". Well, yeah, since my house was built to last, not to current
"code". 24" on center. Are they crazy? Everything in my house is 12-15" on
center, and 4x4, not 2x4. Hardwood floors over diagonally laid tongue and
groove subfloor over wide plank pine. An elephant could jump up and down on
my floors and you'd never feel it. I would never live in a "new" house.



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TOPIC: Frugal tourism & living in Paris, France
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/d5bb9e7bbbf4d376?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 8 2008 9:11 pm
From: Campy Happer


Yes, it is possible.

http://home.comcast.net/~plutarch/frugal-paris.html


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TOPIC: Bush STILL Pushing Increasing U.S. Population
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/abca4c0b7df632ec?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 8 2008 10:00 pm
From: "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!"

"Becoming something you're not [was LH]" <lfkkhjssssssssssik@lhhhhggd.com>
wrote in message
news:lfkkhjssssssssssik-DA17C6.17370107072008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net...
> In article <lbKdnamUxZWmqO_VnZ2dnUVZ_tHinZ2d@posted.localnet>,
> "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lordgow@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
>> <lfkkhjssssssssssik@lhhhhggd.com>
>> wrote in message
>> news:lfkkhjssssssssssik-41353C.06411107072008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net...
>> > In article <R-mdnelu2fdNDezVnZ2dnUVZ_sjinZ2d@posted.localnet>,
>> > "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lordgow@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
>> >> <lfkkhjssssssssssik@lhhhhggd.com>
>> >> wrote in message
>> >> news:lfkkhjssssssssssik-DC7412.14352006072008@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com.
>> >> ..
>> >> > In article <_fKdnaM2XZX6n-zVnZ2dnUVZ_gydnZ2d@posted.localnet>,
>> >> > "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lordgow@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> "aemeijers" <aemeijers@att.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:lL2ck.99005$102.26145@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>> >> >> > Yer Pal Al wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Jul 5, 9:21 pm, "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
>> >> >> >> <lfkkhjsssssssss...@lhhhhggd.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>> In article <2EXbk.184103$fz6.66...@fe08.news.easynews.com>,
>> >> >> >>> Craig R <m...@whee.ls> wrote:
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>> Becoming something you're not [was LH] wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>> In article
>> >> >> >>>>> <W5Gdndzsw4vt2e3VnZ2dnUVZ_uidn...@posted.localnet>,
>> >> >> >>>>> "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lord...@yahoo.com>
>> >> >> >>>>> wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>>> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDam...@cablespeed.com> wrote in
>> >> >> >>>>>> message
>> >> >> >>>>>> news:W6-dnTvT1pK7aPLVnZ2dnUVZ_r7inZ2d@cablespeedwa.com...
>> >> >> >>>>>>> "OrangeSFO" <intangible...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >>>>>>> news:90472b84-f3a1-47b0-911d-b1f2fe121e2b@i76g2000hsf.googlegrou
>> >> >> >>>>>>> ps.
>> >> >> >>>>>>> com
>> >> >> >>>>>>> ...
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> Republicans...they want more babies...but they don't want
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> anyone
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> to
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> fuck.
>> >> >> >>>>>>> Nonsense. They just don't want women to enjoy it.
>> >> >> >>>>>> Completely wrong. They want all couples to be married before
>> >> >> >>>>>> having
>> >> >> >>>>>> sex,
>> >> >> >>>>>> thereby ensuring that the MAN won't enjoy it.
>> >> >> >>>>> Marriage is a sham.
>> >> >> >>>> Recently divorced?
>> >> >> >>> Worse. Parents stayed together until I was 18. That and the
>> >> >> >>> whole
>> >> >> >>> problem of it being a way to control the animalistic populace.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> You didn't want your parents to stay together?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Children in single parent families are more likely to do poorly
>> >> >> >> in
>> >> >> >> school, drop-out, take drugs, get involved in crime and have
>> >> >> >> children
>> >> >> >> out of wedlock.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Did you suffer from any of these pitfalls?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> > Better a single parent with time and sanity to care about the
>> >> >> > kids,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> No such thing. They may mean well, don't get me wrong, but
>> >> >> parenting
>> >> >> is a
>> >> >> two person, two GENDER job. And I don't give a damn about the
>> >> >> politics
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> the situation, the fact is men and women bring different abilities
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> table and children benefit from them both. Rather than saying that
>> >> >> angry
>> >> >> couples should or should not stay together "for the children", I
>> >> >> say
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> dumb selfish bastards shouldn't have had the kid(s) to begin with.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Two gender job eh? So you are saying same sex couples can be the
>> >> > two
>> >> > parents if one is masculine and the other is feminine. That lib talk
>> >> > there, buddy.
>> >>
>> >> Gender is more than role playing.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > Nobody said anything about roleplaying you flipflopping lib.
>>
>> Are you stupid or just contradictory?
>>
>
>
> Failure to understand and properly apply the sociological application
> of the term gender noted.

Failure to converse like a normal person and not a self absorbed anal
retentive jackass noted and laughed at.

LG (noting and laughing)
--
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be.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 9 2008 4:02 am
From: "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"


In article <qb2dnaLS1fpr2OnVnZ2dnUVZ_uOdnZ2d@posted.localnet>,
"Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lordgow@yahoo.com> wrote:

> "Becoming something you're not [was LH]" <lfkkhjssssssssssik@lhhhhggd.com>
> wrote in message
> news:lfkkhjssssssssssik-DA17C6.17370107072008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net...
> > In article <lbKdnamUxZWmqO_VnZ2dnUVZ_tHinZ2d@posted.localnet>,
> > "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lordgow@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
> >> <lfkkhjssssssssssik@lhhhhggd.com>
> >> wrote in message
> >> news:lfkkhjssssssssssik-41353C.06411107072008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net.
> >> ..
> >> > In article <R-mdnelu2fdNDezVnZ2dnUVZ_sjinZ2d@posted.localnet>,
> >> > "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lordgow@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
> >> >> <lfkkhjssssssssssik@lhhhhggd.com>
> >> >> wrote in message
> >> >> news:lfkkhjssssssssssik-DC7412.14352006072008@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.c
> >> >> om.
> >> >> ..
> >> >> > In article <_fKdnaM2XZX6n-zVnZ2dnUVZ_gydnZ2d@posted.localnet>,
> >> >> > "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lordgow@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> "aemeijers" <aemeijers@att.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:lL2ck.99005$102.26145@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> >> >> >> > Yer Pal Al wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On Jul 5, 9:21 pm, "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
> >> >> >> >> <lfkkhjsssssssss...@lhhhhggd.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>> In article <2EXbk.184103$fz6.66...@fe08.news.easynews.com>,
> >> >> >> >>> Craig R <m...@whee.ls> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>> Becoming something you're not [was LH] wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>>> In article
> >> >> >> >>>>> <W5Gdndzsw4vt2e3VnZ2dnUVZ_uidn...@posted.localnet>,
> >> >> >> >>>>> "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lord...@yahoo.com>
> >> >> >> >>>>> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>>>> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDam...@cablespeed.com> wrote in
> >> >> >> >>>>>> message
> >> >> >> >>>>>> news:W6-dnTvT1pK7aPLVnZ2dnUVZ_r7inZ2d@cablespeedwa.com...
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> "OrangeSFO" <intangible...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> news:90472b84-f3a1-47b0-911d-b1f2fe121e2b@i76g2000hsf.googleg
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> rou
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> ps.
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> com
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> ...
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Republicans...they want more babies...but they don't want
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> anyone
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> to
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> fuck.
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Nonsense. They just don't want women to enjoy it.
> >> >> >> >>>>>> Completely wrong. They want all couples to be married before
> >> >> >> >>>>>> having
> >> >> >> >>>>>> sex,
> >> >> >> >>>>>> thereby ensuring that the MAN won't enjoy it.
> >> >> >> >>>>> Marriage is a sham.
> >> >> >> >>>> Recently divorced?
> >> >> >> >>> Worse. Parents stayed together until I was 18. That and the
> >> >> >> >>> whole
> >> >> >> >>> problem of it being a way to control the animalistic populace.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> You didn't want your parents to stay together?
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Children in single parent families are more likely to do poorly
> >> >> >> >> in
> >> >> >> >> school, drop-out, take drugs, get involved in crime and have
> >> >> >> >> children
> >> >> >> >> out of wedlock.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Did you suffer from any of these pitfalls?
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > Better a single parent with time and sanity to care about the
> >> >> >> > kids,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> No such thing. They may mean well, don't get me wrong, but
> >> >> >> parenting
> >> >> >> is a
> >> >> >> two person, two GENDER job. And I don't give a damn about the
> >> >> >> politics
> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> the situation, the fact is men and women bring different abilities
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> table and children benefit from them both. Rather than saying that
> >> >> >> angry
> >> >> >> couples should or should not stay together "for the children", I
> >> >> >> say
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> dumb selfish bastards shouldn't have had the kid(s) to begin with.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Two gender job eh? So you are saying same sex couples can be the
> >> >> > two
> >> >> > parents if one is masculine and the other is feminine. That lib talk
> >> >> > there, buddy.
> >> >>
> >> >> Gender is more than role playing.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > Nobody said anything about roleplaying you flipflopping lib.
> >>
> >> Are you stupid or just contradictory?
> >>
> >
> >
> > Failure to understand and properly apply the sociological application
> > of the term gender noted.
>
> Failure to converse like a normal person and not a self absorbed anal
> retentive jackass noted and laughed at.
>
> LG (noting and laughing)


Laughing because you're ignorant saddens me.

--
Emm Oh Oh En. That spells RSPW.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 9 2008 8:08 am
From: "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!"

"Becoming something you're not [was LH]" <lfkkhjssssssssssik@lhhhhggd.com>
wrote in message
news:lfkkhjssssssssssik-932E6A.07021409072008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net...
> In article <qb2dnaLS1fpr2OnVnZ2dnUVZ_uOdnZ2d@posted.localnet>,
> "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lordgow@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
>> <lfkkhjssssssssssik@lhhhhggd.com>
>> wrote in message
>> news:lfkkhjssssssssssik-DA17C6.17370107072008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net...
>> > In article <lbKdnamUxZWmqO_VnZ2dnUVZ_tHinZ2d@posted.localnet>,
>> > "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lordgow@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
>> >> <lfkkhjssssssssssik@lhhhhggd.com>
>> >> wrote in message
>> >> news:lfkkhjssssssssssik-41353C.06411107072008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net.
>> >> ..
>> >> > In article <R-mdnelu2fdNDezVnZ2dnUVZ_sjinZ2d@posted.localnet>,
>> >> > "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lordgow@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
>> >> >> <lfkkhjssssssssssik@lhhhhggd.com>
>> >> >> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:lfkkhjssssssssssik-DC7412.14352006072008@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.c
>> >> >> om.
>> >> >> ..
>> >> >> > In article <_fKdnaM2XZX6n-zVnZ2dnUVZ_gydnZ2d@posted.localnet>,
>> >> >> > "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lordgow@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> "aemeijers" <aemeijers@att.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> news:lL2ck.99005$102.26145@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>> >> >> >> > Yer Pal Al wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> On Jul 5, 9:21 pm, "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
>> >> >> >> >> <lfkkhjsssssssss...@lhhhhggd.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>> In article <2EXbk.184103$fz6.66...@fe08.news.easynews.com>,
>> >> >> >> >>> Craig R <m...@whee.ls> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>>> Becoming something you're not [was LH] wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>>>> In article
>> >> >> >> >>>>> <W5Gdndzsw4vt2e3VnZ2dnUVZ_uidn...@posted.localnet>,
>> >> >> >> >>>>> "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lord...@yahoo.com>
>> >> >> >> >>>>> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDam...@cablespeed.com> wrote in
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> message
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> news:W6-dnTvT1pK7aPLVnZ2dnUVZ_r7inZ2d@cablespeedwa.com...
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> "OrangeSFO" <intangible...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> news:90472b84-f3a1-47b0-911d-b1f2fe121e2b@i76g2000hsf.googleg
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> rou
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> ps.
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> com
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> ...
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Republicans...they want more babies...but they don't
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> want
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> anyone
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> to
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> fuck.
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Nonsense. They just don't want women to enjoy it.
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> Completely wrong. They want all couples to be married
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> before
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> having
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> sex,
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> thereby ensuring that the MAN won't enjoy it.
>> >> >> >> >>>>> Marriage is a sham.
>> >> >> >> >>>> Recently divorced?
>> >> >> >> >>> Worse. Parents stayed together until I was 18. That and
>> >> >> >> >>> the
>> >> >> >> >>> whole
>> >> >> >> >>> problem of it being a way to control the animalistic
>> >> >> >> >>> populace.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> You didn't want your parents to stay together?
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Children in single parent families are more likely to do
>> >> >> >> >> poorly
>> >> >> >> >> in
>> >> >> >> >> school, drop-out, take drugs, get involved in crime and have
>> >> >> >> >> children
>> >> >> >> >> out of wedlock.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Did you suffer from any of these pitfalls?
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > Better a single parent with time and sanity to care about the
>> >> >> >> > kids,
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> No such thing. They may mean well, don't get me wrong, but
>> >> >> >> parenting
>> >> >> >> is a
>> >> >> >> two person, two GENDER job. And I don't give a damn about the
>> >> >> >> politics
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> the situation, the fact is men and women bring different
>> >> >> >> abilities
>> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> table and children benefit from them both. Rather than saying
>> >> >> >> that
>> >> >> >> angry
>> >> >> >> couples should or should not stay together "for the children", I
>> >> >> >> say
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> dumb selfish bastards shouldn't have had the kid(s) to begin
>> >> >> >> with.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Two gender job eh? So you are saying same sex couples can be
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > two
>> >> >> > parents if one is masculine and the other is feminine. That lib
>> >> >> > talk
>> >> >> > there, buddy.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Gender is more than role playing.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Nobody said anything about roleplaying you flipflopping lib.
>> >>
>> >> Are you stupid or just contradictory?
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > Failure to understand and properly apply the sociological application
>> > of the term gender noted.
>>
>> Failure to converse like a normal person and not a self absorbed anal
>> retentive jackass noted and laughed at.
>>
>> LG (noting and laughing)
>
>
> Laughing because you're ignorant saddens me.

My ignorant?

LG (usually above grammar flames but considering the gist of the thread)
--
Failure is the opportunity to begin again more intelligently. - Henry Ford


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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 9 2008 1:26 am
From: b2cdiscount@163.com


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TOPIC: protecting books and papers in storage
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 9 2008 9:17 am
From: "john westmore_______"


I want to store some papers and some books in the house roof space and also
the garden shed. Being in the U.K. both places can get a bit damp.

So I thought I would wrap well in a plastic bag to keep out the damp, and
then put aluminium cooking foil around them (i'm told this would stop any
mice
chewing into it).

Are these these the best things to do? Thanks for any advice.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 9 2008 9:26 am
From: RicodJour


On Jul 9, 12:17 pm, "john westmore_______" <blues...@mail.invalid>
wrote:
> I want to store some papers and some books in the house roof space and also
> the garden shed.  Being in the U.K. both places can get a bit damp.
>
> So I thought I would wrap well in a plastic bag to keep out the damp, and
> then put aluminium cooking foil around them (i'm told this would stop any
> mice
> chewing into it).
>
> Are these these the best things to do?      Thanks for any advice.

Use one of those vacuum clothes storage bags. Throw in some silica
gel desiccant bags for good measure. Then do whatever you need to do
to keep the critters away.

R

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 9 2008 9:30 am
From: Palindrome


john westmore_______ wrote:
> I want to store some papers and some books in the house roof space and also
> the garden shed. Being in the U.K. both places can get a bit damp.
>
> So I thought I would wrap well in a plastic bag to keep out the damp, and
> then put aluminium cooking foil around them (i'm told this would stop any
> mice
> chewing into it).
>
> Are these these the best things to do? Thanks for any advice.
>
>
>
I use bags meant for storage, of the type where you suck out the air
with a vacuum cleaner. Works a treat. Easy to open, take something out
and reseal in a jiffy.

I doubt that cooking foil works, having seen some of the things they
will chew their way through, if it suits them.

--
Sue

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 9 2008 9:31 am
From: Bert Hyman


bluestar@mail.invalid (john westmore_______) wrote in
news:g52oah$oco$1@registered.motzarella.org:

> I want to store some papers and some books in the house roof space
> and also the garden shed. Being in the U.K. both places can get a
> bit damp.
>
> So I thought I would wrap well in a plastic bag to keep out the
> damp, and then put aluminium cooking foil around them (i'm told this
> would stop any mice chewing into it).

Many plastics contain chemicals which are destructive of papers over
the long term, and mice chew through walls.

> Are these these the best things to do? Thanks for any advice.

Your local or regional historical society will likely have all sorts of
information and resources for preserving your documents.

For example, the Minnesota Historical Society has a number of papers on
the subject, available here:

http://www.mnhs.org/preserve/conservation/bookspaper.html

--
Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | bert@iphouse.com


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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 9 2008 9:43 am
From: "A.E. Baxter"


I've been surfing around this afternoon looking for web resources on
frugal or budget decorating. eHow had a good article with some decent
suggestions:
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I also found this video series on decorating with flea market finds:
http://www.expertvillage.com/video-series/247_flea-market-decorations.htm

Does anyone else have any good online resources to help me get
creative with my summer redecorating project? Thanks!


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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 9 2008 3:39 am
From: Shawn Hirn


In article <violin-DF9FE5.21111308072008@news.supernews.com>,
Truly Stunned <violin@thebridgeofsighs.sad> wrote:
>
> Dude, you should definitely shop around. I bet you can get a much better
> policy at a much better price.

Maybe, but keep in mind, the OP said he lives in Boston. You said you
live in Wisconsin. The price of renters insurance varies widely based on
several factors and city vs. rural can have a big impact on rates.


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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 9 2008 4:31 am
From: ultimauw@hotmail.com


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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 9 2008 11:47 am
From: "Rod Speed"


ultimauw@hotmail.com wrote:

> http://www.snopes.com/medical/disease/drydrowning.asp

Its not rare at all, 10-15% of the deaths by drowning happen like that.

And its very well known to those who matter, lifeguards and ambulance personel etc.



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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 9 2008 4:58 am
From: "john westmore"


I want to store some papers and some books in the house roof space and also
the garden shed. Being in the U.K. both places can get a bit damp.

So I thought I would wrap well in a plastic bag to keep out the damp, and
then put aluminium cooking foil around them (i'm told this would stop mice
chewing into it).

Are their any other things I might usefully do. Thanks for any advice.



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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 9 2008 11:40 am
From: Seerialmom


On Jul 7, 2:07 pm, Campy Happer <campyhap...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> Recently I bought a Toshiba that was on sale
> at Office Depot.
>
> Toshiba has been a good brand for me in the past.
> They have great keyboards, touchpads, and screens
> and they are fast enough for me.
>
> When I got the laptop home I found a few strange signs that it
> might have been owned before:
>
> 1. The sticker that identifies the unit that is normally
> on the wrist rest was missing. These stickers are normally
> on every laptop, even display units at stores. But not this one.
>
> 2. The included items (power adaptor, cable etc)
> seemed to be just thrown into the box, and the plastic bags
> they came in appeared crumpled as if pre-used.
> They definitely did not have that crisp factory-new look.
>
> 3. The computer has a Hitachi hard drive in it, which is
> unusual for a Toshiba -- as far as I know, I could be wrong.
> The drive is a little noisy, but I think this is normal for a Hitachi.
>
> Nevertheless, the laptop was in a sealed bag & the box itself was
> sealed as well. And the computer appears to function
> perfectly as of Day 2 of ownership.
>
> My question is, has anyone heard of Toshiba re-selling
> briefly-owned laptops after re-sealing them?
> If so, is there an industry term for such a practice?
> This laptop seems to have the usual 1 year warranty.
>
> Thanks.

Is it possible that the laptop was "direct sold" to a consumer who
returned it to Toshiba (hence the Toshiba tape) and then Office Depot
was offered a good deal on a lot of Toshiba laptops. Perhaps whoever
re-sealed the box didn't notice the same things as you. But I agree,
I would return it.


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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 9 2008 11:46 am
From: Seerialmom


On Jul 5, 8:18 am, d...@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote:
> In article <15012-486F5B96-1...@storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net>, Tommy wrote:
> >Why split hairs on this? Yea, every home has something in it a little or
> >lot different. Now with most belts being tightened, people are waking
> >up, and getting a good dose of reality.
>
> >So with that old incadescent bulb in the attic that is rarely used can
> >wait to be replaced when burns out. Or maybe----oh crap honey, I left
> >that 100 watt incadescent light on since sometime back in the spring.
>
>   If you have any lights that are prone to being left on once a room is
> unoccupied, and there is little hope of getting the offenders to change,
> there are those windup light timers that some apartment building laundry
> rooms have.
>   Back when suntanning lamps used to be more available, many of those also
> had such timers.  I would think that electrical supply shops of the kind
> that contractors go to have them.
>
>  - Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)

Personally, if they weren't so expensive to begin with, I'd prefer the
sensors that turn the light on when you come into a room (only use in
rooms that don't get general day time ight, of course).

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