Frugal Living: 25 new messages in 9 topics

Wednesday, July 9, 2008

25 new messages in 9 topics - digest

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TOPIC: Renter's Insurance - Coverage question
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 8 2008 8:59 am
From: kdwolski@gmail.com

Hi,

I just opened a policy for renter's insurance for my new two bedroom
apartment in the Boston area. It is a $25K policy for less than $400/
yr. I'm living with my girlfriend, who doesn't have her own policy. If
something were to happen, would my policy cover her possessions as
well, seeing as I am insuring the contents of the apartment?

Thanks for your help, it's the first time I have bought this type of
insurance.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 8 2008 4:39 pm
From: "Lou"

<kdwolski@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:bbf76edc-80bc-4c83-a278-f81ea32da7c4@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> Hi,
>
> I just opened a policy for renter's insurance for my new two bedroom
> apartment in the Boston area. It is a $25K policy for less than $400/
> yr. I'm living with my girlfriend, who doesn't have her own policy. If
> something were to happen, would my policy cover her possessions as
> well, seeing as I am insuring the contents of the apartment?
>
> Thanks for your help, it's the first time I have bought this type of
> insurance.

It's been a long time, but my recollection is that you have to have an
"insurable interest" - that is, you have to own or have a stake in something
to be able to insure it and collect in the event of loss. You should be
asking your agent.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 8 2008 7:00 pm
From: Shawn Hirn

In article
<bbf76edc-80bc-4c83-a278-f81ea32da7c4@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
kdwolski@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I just opened a policy for renter's insurance for my new two bedroom
> apartment in the Boston area. It is a $25K policy for less than $400/
> yr. I'm living with my girlfriend, who doesn't have her own policy. If
> something were to happen, would my policy cover her possessions as
> well, seeing as I am insuring the contents of the apartment?
>
> Thanks for your help, it's the first time I have bought this type of
> insurance.

The easiest and most accurate way to find an answer to your question is
to read your insurance policy, then ask your insurance provider if the
policy isn't clear on that issue.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 8 2008 7:11 pm
From: Truly Stunned

In article
<bbf76edc-80bc-4c83-a278-f81ea32da7c4@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
kdwolski@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I just opened a policy for renter's insurance for my new two bedroom
> apartment in the Boston area. It is a $25K policy for less than $400/
> yr.

Holy crap! I pay $99/year for over $35K worth of coverage through
Costco, including special item coverage. We rent a refurbished 3-bedroom
three-story vintage farmhouse in Wisconsin. The policy covers all kinds
of loss: medical coverage liability, burglary, fire, storm damage and
much more. About the only thing it doesn't cover is intentional damage
and flood damage.

> I'm living with my girlfriend, who doesn't have her own policy. If
> something were to happen, would my policy cover her possessions as
> well, seeing as I am insuring the contents of the apartment?

Well, especially after reading the first part of your post, it's hard to
say. The Costco agent asked if there was anyone living with us who we
wanted covered, but the answer was no. You should call and ask your
agent.

> Thanks for your help, it's the first time I have bought this type of
> insurance.

Dude, you should definitely shop around. I bet you can get a much better
policy at a much better price.

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TOPIC: Toshiba laptop bought at Office Depot
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/61ce820af43ce054?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 8 2008 9:08 am
From: sarge137

On Jul 7, 3:07 pm, Campy Happer <campyhap...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> Recently I bought a Toshiba that was on sale
> at Office Depot.
>
> Toshiba has been a good brand for me in the past.
> They have great keyboards, touchpads, and screens
> and they are fast enough for me.
>
> When I got the laptop home I found a few strange signs that it
> might have been owned before:
>
> 1. The sticker that identifies the unit that is normally
> on the wrist rest was missing. These stickers are normally
> on every laptop, even display units at stores. But not this one.
>
> 2. The included items (power adaptor, cable etc)
> seemed to be just thrown into the box, and the plastic bags
> they came in appeared crumpled as if pre-used.
> They definitely did not have that crisp factory-new look.
>
> 3. The computer has a Hitachi hard drive in it, which is
> unusual for a Toshiba -- as far as I know, I could be wrong.
> The drive is a little noisy, but I think this is normal for a Hitachi.
>
> Nevertheless, the laptop was in a sealed bag & the box itself was
> sealed as well. And the computer appears to function
> perfectly as of Day 2 of ownership.
>
> My question is, has anyone heard of Toshiba re-selling
> briefly-owned laptops after re-sealing them?
> If so, is there an industry term for such a practice?
> This laptop seems to have the usual 1 year warranty.
>
> Thanks.

If it were me, I'd take it back for an exchange. It may be working
perfectly well, but if you didn't buy it as an open box or refurb item
(with an appropriate discount) yours should have been the first hands
in the box. You paid for brand new and apparently didn't get it.

I had a similar experience with a Sony laptop I bought at Circuit City
several years ago. By all appearances it had never been opened. But
once I got it home, like you, I found that the included accessories
had been opened. Didn't even take the laptop out of the box - took it
right back to the store, and they exchanged it for me with profuse
apologies.

Regards,
Sarge

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 8 2008 11:39 am
From: Campy Happer

On Jul 7, 7:04 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'd demand action from Office Depot since they deliberately sealed it again.

But in order for them to do that, they would need Toshiba's
sealing tape as well as plastic Toshiba laptop bags and
the Toshiba factory sticker.

Is Toshiba actually handing such things out?

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TOPIC: garden fence at right-angle to house
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/2b96aa4904acd922?hl=en
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== 1 of 13 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 8 2008 9:19 am
From: Smitty Two

In article <m2bq18e5rk.fsf@rogue.de>, Peter Bruells <usernet@rogue.de>
wrote:

> "Martin" <ng@barrier.ngngng.fsnet.co.uk> writes:
>
> > "HeyBub" <heybub@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:MeGdnW8o1Zby-e7VnZ2dnUVZ_tXinZ2d@earthlink.com...
> >> john westmore wrote:
> >>> We wish to straighten and 'position correctly' the garden fence that
> >>> we share with a neighbour in an adjoining terraced house.
> >>>
> >>> What is the best way to get the fence at exactly right angles to our
> >>> houses? The garden is about twenty metres long. Thanks for advice.
> >>
> >> As others have suggested, use the 3,4,5 rule (it's what the builders of
> >> the pyramids in Egypt did).
> >
> > Weird.... I thought the pyramids pre-date Pythagoras by 1 or 2 millennia?
>
> And your point is?

If I may, as the same thought occurred to me, I believe his point is
that the 3,4,5 rule, commonly referred to as the Pythagorean theorem, is
credited to Pythagoras. It's difficult to use concepts that have not yet
been developed.

Obviously there is a hell of a lot we don't know about the state of
technology on Earth at the time the pyramids were built.

== 2 of 13 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 8 2008 10:08 am
From: Cicero

On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 08:52:57 +0100, Harry Stottle wrote:

>
> "Cicero" <sheldrake@hellfire.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:pan.2008.07.08.07.11.57.817497@hellfire.co.uk...
>> On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 07:41:15 +0100, john westmore wrote:
>>
>>> We wish to straighten and 'position correctly' the garden fence that
>>> we
>>> share with a neighbour in an adjoining terraced house.
>>>
>>> What is the best way to get the fence at exactly right angles to our
>>> houses?
>>> The garden is about twenty metres long. Thanks for advice.
>>
>> ==================================
>> Get a large sheet (6' x 2')of chipboard or an old door and lay it flat
>> with one short edge along the wall of the house. Use this board as a
>> 'square' and run a string line along side it to give you a straight
>> line
>> at 90 degrees to your houses.
---------------------------------
>>
>>
> Or for a more accurate measurement, use Pythagoras's theorem. Lay a 3
> unit length against the wall, a 4 unit length as the boundary guide, and
> a 5 unit length to make up the other side of the right angled triangle.

==================================
Doesn't that just make a large set square - something like a rectangular
board with squared corners?

Cic.
--
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Using Ubuntu Linux
Windows shown the door
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== 3 of 13 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 8 2008 11:36 am
From: Peter Bruells

Smitty Two <prestwhich@earthlink.net> writes:

> In article <m2bq18e5rk.fsf@rogue.de>, Peter Bruells <usernet@rogue.de>
> wrote:
>
>> "Martin" <ng@barrier.ngngng.fsnet.co.uk> writes:
>>

>> >> the pyramids in Egypt did).
>> >
>> > Weird.... I thought the pyramids pre-date Pythagoras by 1 or 2 millennia?
>>
>> And your point is?
>
> If I may, as the same thought occurred to me, I believe his point is
> that the 3,4,5 rule, commonly referred to as the Pythagorean
> theorem, is credited to Pythagoras. It's difficult to use concepts
> that have not yet been developed.

They had been developed - just not fully explored and understood. And
keep in mind that it's quite possible to develop and use a
mathematical formula but not to have a proof or deeper understanding
of it.

== 4 of 13 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 8 2008 1:49 pm
From: "HeyBub"

Martin wrote:
> "HeyBub" <heybub@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:MeGdnW8o1Zby-e7VnZ2dnUVZ_tXinZ2d@earthlink.com...
>> john westmore wrote:
>>> We wish to straighten and 'position correctly' the garden fence that
>>> we share with a neighbour in an adjoining terraced house.
>>>
>>> What is the best way to get the fence at exactly right angles to our
>>> houses? The garden is about twenty metres long. Thanks for advice.
>>
>> As others have suggested, use the 3,4,5 rule (it's what the builders
>> of the pyramids in Egypt did).
>
> Weird.... I thought the pyramids pre-date Pythagoras by 1 or 2
> millennia?

Uh, they did. But right angles pre-dated the pyramids by at least several
decades.

The circle is even older.

== 5 of 13 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 8 2008 1:55 pm
From: Andy Champ

Martin wrote:
>
> Weird.... I thought the pyramids pre-date Pythagoras by 1 or 2 millennia?
>
>

They do. And IIRC the Egyptians knew 3,4,5 but not the general rule
about the square of the hypotenuse etc. - which is what Pythagoras
discovered. Oh hang on...In another source...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagorean_theorem

Andy

== 6 of 13 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 8 2008 2:01 pm
From: mm

On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 07:58:25 -0500, "HeyBub" <heybub@NOSPAMgmail.com>
wrote:

>john westmore wrote:
>> We wish to straighten and 'position correctly' the garden fence that
>> we share with a neighbour in an adjoining terraced house.
>>
>> What is the best way to get the fence at exactly right angles to our
>> houses? The garden is about twenty metres long. Thanks for advice.
>
>As others have suggested, use the 3,4,5 rule (it's what the builders of the
>pyramids in Egypt did).
>
>If the houses are 20 meters apart, you can use 15, 20, 25 meter
>measurements.

This is bad. You'll end up with something 3 times as big as a
pyramind.
>
>However there's one difficulty you may encounter. The wall may be square to
>one house and crooked as a dog's hind leg at the other.
>
>I recommend bushes.

Good points.
>

== 7 of 13 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 8 2008 2:14 pm
From: mm

On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 09:19:23 -0700, Smitty Two
<prestwhich@earthlink.net> wrote:

>
>If I may, as the same thought occurred to me, I believe his point is
>that the 3,4,5 rule, commonly referred to as the Pythagorean theorem, is
>credited to Pythagoras. It's difficult to use concepts that have not yet
>been developed.
>
>Obviously there is a hell of a lot we don't know about the state of
>technology on Earth at the time the pyramids were built.

Au contraire, mon ami. At least in this case.

Most of the pyramids did not require the local use of mathematics at
all. They were usually built from kits sold by Sears, and all the
calculations were done by Sears technicians.

Check out www.sears.com/lib/archives/stone/2000.htm

== 8 of 13 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 8 2008 2:25 pm
From: mm

On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 15:49:19 -0500, "HeyBub" <heybub@NOSPAMgmail.com>
wrote:

>Martin wrote:
>> "HeyBub" <heybub@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:MeGdnW8o1Zby-e7VnZ2dnUVZ_tXinZ2d@earthlink.com...
>>> john westmore wrote:
>>>> We wish to straighten and 'position correctly' the garden fence that
>>>> we share with a neighbour in an adjoining terraced house.
>>>>
>>>> What is the best way to get the fence at exactly right angles to our
>>>> houses? The garden is about twenty metres long. Thanks for advice.
>>>
>>> As others have suggested, use the 3,4,5 rule (it's what the builders
>>> of the pyramids in Egypt did).
>>
>> Weird.... I thought the pyramids pre-date Pythagoras by 1 or 2
>> millennia?
>
>Uh, they did. But right angles pre-dated the pyramids by at least several
>decades.

Absolutely. It was also known to and proven by American Indians (long
before it was called America). There was a great chief Anohamey
among the Chippewa who had three daughters, all of whome were married.

It was their custom to sit at night around the campfire, and always
Running Lilly would sit with her one boy on a deer skin, Twinkling
Star woulld sit with her two boys on a buffalo skin, and Laughing
Rabbit would sit with her 3 young bucks on a hippotamus skin.

From this they knew that the sons of the squaw on the hippotamus are
equal to the sons of the squaws on the other two hides.

>
>The circle is even older.
>

== 9 of 13 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 8 2008 4:30 pm
From: "Harry Stottle"

"Cicero" <sheldrake@hellfire.co.uk> wrote in message
news:pan.2008.07.08.17.08.10.621839@hellfire.co.uk...
> On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 08:52:57 +0100, Harry Stottle wrote:
>
>>
>> "Cicero" <sheldrake@hellfire.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:pan.2008.07.08.07.11.57.817497@hellfire.co.uk...
>>> On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 07:41:15 +0100, john westmore wrote:
>>>
>>>> We wish to straighten and 'position correctly' the garden fence
>>>> that
>>>> we
>>>> share with a neighbour in an adjoining terraced house.
>>>>
>>>> What is the best way to get the fence at exactly right angles to
>>>> our
>>>> houses?
>>>> The garden is about twenty metres long. Thanks for advice.
>>>
>>> ==================================
>>> Get a large sheet (6' x 2')of chipboard or an old door and lay it
>>> flat
>>> with one short edge along the wall of the house. Use this board as a
>>> 'square' and run a string line along side it to give you a straight
>>> line
>>> at 90 degrees to your houses.
> ---------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>> Or for a more accurate measurement, use Pythagoras's theorem. Lay a 3
>> unit length against the wall, a 4 unit length as the boundary guide,
>> and
>> a 5 unit length to make up the other side of the right angled
>> triangle.
>
> ==================================
> Doesn't that just make a large set square - something like a
> rectangular
> board with squared corners?
>
>
It does if the original rectangular 'old door', or sheet of 6' x 2'
chipboard, has perfectly squared corners, but 1/2 an inch out and it
could result in land grab ;-)

== 10 of 13 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 8 2008 4:35 pm
From: "John"

"HeyBub" <heybub@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
news:HdCdnY_HmehST-7VnZ2dnUVZ_rzinZ2d@earthlink.com...

> Uh, they did. But right angles pre-dated the pyramids by at least several
> decades.

Right angles (and every other angle) have been around forever, it's just
that nobody named them. Same as gravity, space, oxygen, grass, ocean, sky,
etc. etc.

> The circle is even older.

See above. There has been at least two circles from the day man was 'born',
and he saw them every day, the sun and the moon

Cheers

John

== 11 of 13 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 8 2008 4:37 pm
From: "HeyBub"

mm wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 15:49:19 -0500, "HeyBub" <heybub@NOSPAMgmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Martin wrote:
>>> "HeyBub" <heybub@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:MeGdnW8o1Zby-e7VnZ2dnUVZ_tXinZ2d@earthlink.com...
>>>> john westmore wrote:
>>>>> We wish to straighten and 'position correctly' the garden fence
>>>>> that we share with a neighbour in an adjoining terraced house.
>>>>>
>>>>> What is the best way to get the fence at exactly right angles to
>>>>> our houses? The garden is about twenty metres long. Thanks for
>>>>> advice.
>>>>
>>>> As others have suggested, use the 3,4,5 rule (it's what the
>>>> builders of the pyramids in Egypt did).
>>>
>>> Weird.... I thought the pyramids pre-date Pythagoras by 1 or 2
>>> millennia?
>>
>> Uh, they did. But right angles pre-dated the pyramids by at least
>> several decades.
>
> Absolutely. It was also known to and proven by American Indians (long
> before it was called America). There was a great chief Anohamey
> among the Chippewa who had three daughters, all of whome were married.
>
> It was their custom to sit at night around the campfire, and always
> Running Lilly would sit with her one boy on a deer skin, Twinkling
> Star woulld sit with her two boys on a buffalo skin, and Laughing
> Rabbit would sit with her 3 young bucks on a hippotamus skin.
>
> From this they knew that the sons of the squaw on the hippotamus are
> equal to the sons of the squaws on the other two hides.
>

Moan!

Did you hear the one about the Chinese woodworker (to be in consonance with
the mission of this group) who noticed some of his more expensive wood was
disappearing. Being a clever, though inscrutable, Chinaman he sprinkled fine
sawdust on the floor of his shop. The next morning, he discovered a child's
footprints in the sawdust!

Being even more inscrutable, he hid in a bin the next night. During the
darkness he heard scuffling around in his shop. The Chinaman jumped from his
hiding place and turned on the light.

Standing in the center of his workshop, gnawing on a board, was an
eight-foot tall Grizzly Bear with itty-bitty feet !

Nonplussed (which is similar to inscrutable), the woodworker called out:
"Now I've got you, boy-foot bear with Teak of Chan!"

== 12 of 13 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 8 2008 5:32 pm
From: David Nebenzahl

On 7/8/2008 4:37 PM HeyBub spake thus:

> Moan!
>
> Did you hear the one about the Chinese woodworker (to be in consonance with
> the mission of this group) who noticed some of his more expensive wood was
> disappearing. Being a clever, though inscrutable, Chinaman he sprinkled fine
> sawdust on the floor of his shop. The next morning, he discovered a child's
> footprints in the sawdust!
>
> Being even more inscrutable, he hid in a bin the next night. During the
> darkness he heard scuffling around in his shop. The Chinaman jumped from his
> hiding place and turned on the light.
>
> Standing in the center of his workshop, gnawing on a board, was an
> eight-foot tall Grizzly Bear with itty-bitty feet !
>
> Nonplussed (which is similar to inscrutable), the woodworker called out:
> "Now I've got you, boy-foot bear with Teak of Chan!"

groannnnnn ...

OK, now you've done it. I feel compelled to tell the tale of the
metallurgical engineer who was called in by Asarco, the big mining and
smelting company, to solve a problem in their copper smelting operation
in San Manuel, Arizona. Seems that no matter what material they used,
the big metal trays they used for one part of the process corroded and
leaked. They called them "sinks" since that's what they looked like, and
the corrosion was always signalled by the sink turning brown.

So they hired this new young guy, fresh out of metallurgy school back
East, to fix this vexing problem. He tried all kinds of alloys with no
luck. Stainless steel? lasted a week, then browned out. Tried this,
tried that.

Finally, in a fit of frustration, he made a prototype sink out of a
piece of sheet molybdenum that was in the corner of his lab. Poured the
copper concentrate in it, left it sit and forgot about it. He remembered
it about a week later and was amazed to see that the metal was still clean.

For his efforts, the company awarded him a plaque on the smelter floor.
It simply read:

The Unbrownable Moly Sink

(ba da BOOM!)

--
"Wikipedia ... it reminds me ... of dogs barking idiotically through
endless nights. It is so bad that a sort of grandeur creeps into it.
It drags itself out of the dark abyss of pish, and crawls insanely up
the topmost pinnacle of posh. It is rumble and bumble. It is flap and
doodle. It is balder and dash."

- With apologies to H. L. Mencken

== 13 of 13 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 8 2008 5:36 pm
From: unow@example.com

On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 00:35:33 +0100, in misc.consumers.frugal-living "John"
<john@idontlikespam.co.uk> wrote:

>
>"HeyBub" <heybub@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
>news:HdCdnY_HmehST-7VnZ2dnUVZ_rzinZ2d@earthlink.com...
>
>> Uh, they did. But right angles pre-dated the pyramids by at least several
>> decades.
>
>Right angles (and every other angle) have been around forever, it's just
>that nobody named them. Same as gravity, space, oxygen, grass, ocean, sky,
>etc. etc.
>
>> The circle is even older.
>
>See above. There has been at least two circles from the day man was 'born',
>and he saw them every day, the sun and the moon
>
>
>Cheers
>
>John
>

Not to mention the circle that "man" was born out of.

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TOPIC: Free Small Slurpee at 7-11 on July 11th
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 8 2008 9:32 am
From: Cheapo Groovo

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TOPIC: A Money Show Worth Watching
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== 1 of 1 ==
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 8 2008 10:46 am
From: Yer Pal Al

On Jul 7, 2:36 pm, "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
<lfkkhjsssssssss...@lhhhhggd.com> wrote:
> In article
> <a776a30a-0f82-4b5c-98ce-acebe2c3d...@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
> Yer Pal Al <Caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 6, 11:33 am, "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
> > <lfkkhjsssssssss...@lhhhhggd.com> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <23fc62fb-da71-4031-a79a-86127bd93...@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
> > > Yer Pal Al <Caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jul 6, 5:42 am, "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
> > > > <lfkkhjsssssssss...@lhhhhggd.com> wrote:
> > > > > In article <lL2ck.99005$102.26...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
>
> > > > > aemeijers <aemeij...@att.net> wrote:
> > > > > > Yer Pal Al wrote:
> > > > > > > On Jul 5, 9:21 pm, "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
> > > > > > > <lfkkhjsssssssss...@lhhhhggd.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >> In article <2EXbk.184103$fz6.66...@fe08.news.easynews.com>,
> > > > > > >> Craig R <m...@whee.ls> wrote:
>
> > > > > > >>> Becoming something you're not [was LH] wrote:
> > > > > > >>>> In article <W5Gdndzsw4vt2e3VnZ2dnUVZ uidn...@posted.localnet>,
> > > > > > >>>> "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lord...@yahoo.com>
> > > > > > >>>> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDam...@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > >>>>>news:W6-dnTvT1pK7aPLVnZ2dnUVZ r7in...@cablespeedwa.com...
> > > > > > >>>>>> "OrangeSFO" <intangible...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > >>>>>>news:90472b84-f3a1-47b0-911d-b1f2fe121e2b@i76g2000hsf.googlegrou
> > > > > > >>>>>>ps.c
> > > > > > >>>>>>om.
> > > > > > >>>>>> ..
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Republicans...they want more babies...but they don't want
> > > > > > >>>>>>> anyone
> > > > > > >>>>>>> to
> > > > > > >>>>>>> fuck.
> > > > > > >>>>>> Nonsense. They just don't want women to enjoy it.
> > > > > > >>>>> Completely wrong. They want all couples to be married before
> > > > > > >>>>> having
> > > > > > >>>>> sex,
> > > > > > >>>>> thereby ensuring that the MAN won't enjoy it.
> > > > > > >>>> Marriage is a sham.
> > > > > > >>> Recently divorced?
> > > > > > >> Worse. Parents stayed together until I was 18. That and the
> > > > > > >> whole
> > > > > > >> problem of it being a way to control the animalistic populace.
>
> > > > > > > You didn't want your parents to stay together?
>
> > > > > > > Children in single parent families are more likely to do poorly in
> > > > > > > school, drop-out, take drugs, get involved in crime and have
> > > > > > > children
> > > > > > > out of wedlock.
>
> > > > > > > Did you suffer from any of these pitfalls?
>
> > > > > > Better a single parent with time and sanity to care about the kids,
> > > > > > than
> > > > > > a couple locked in battle royal and other melodrama (like ten years
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > icy silence to each other), to the point where the kids hide under
> > > > > > their
> > > > > > beds, or worse, are simply invisible. Not to mention the usual
> > > > > > villains
> > > > > > of one parent being a drunk or druggie, or abusive. Sure, a
> > > > > > reasonably
> > > > > > happy and stable 2-parent household where the kids have a model of
> > > > > > what
> > > > > > an adult relationship is supposed to be like, is best. But if that
> > > > > > isn't
> > > > > > happening, yes, the kids are better off with just the saner parent,
> > > > > > or
> > > > > > elsewhere. 'Staying together for the kids' is almost always a crock.
> > > > > > Not
> > > > > > saying people shouldn't give their marriages an honest effort, but
> > > > > > once
> > > > > > it fails, be realistic.
>
> > > > > Exactly. Marriages are a sham. Just like religion and government.
>
> > > > So you are OK with the trend - especially with blacks, which is now
> > > > over 50% - to have more single parent households?
>
> > > I never said anything about single-parent households. Just marriages.
>
> > If everyone was as cynical about marriage as you would there be more
> > or less single parent households?
>
> The same.

How does that work. Those people who decide not to get married somehow
don't have children?

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TOPIC: DTV Converter box major snafu in the US
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/5479512ec399c625?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 8 2008 12:38 pm
From: watcher@moog.netaxs.com

In article <48719e67$0$17221$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, Fake ID wrote:
> In article <48701715$0$10001$8ebe3a62@news.megabitz.net>,
> GordonD <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>>My personal experience also bears this out. I've tried Zenith, Magnavox and
>>Dish (DTVPal) boxes and both picture quality and number of stations recieved
>>varies significantly. The difference is noticeable even on a 20" Sony TV. The
>>Zenith picture quality and reception is far better than the other two, the
>>Dish has the poorest reception. Picture qulity between the Magnavox and Dish
>>is about equal.
>
> Kinda amusing since the DTVPal was so highly anticipated it developed a
> cult-like following, but the Zenith was among the first offered. From
> what I understand, the Insignia sold at Best Buy is essentially the same
> as the Zenith.
>
> m

We have a couple of them and the manuals state that if you want to get a
universal remote, be sure it has codes for LG and Zenith. I'm pretty sure
both the Zenith and Insignia convertors are made by LG.

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TOPIC: Koch Koechin Innenarchitekt Innenarchitektin Lacklaborant
Lacklaborantin arbeitsamt im ausland
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 8 2008 1:12 pm
From: stephan424@googlemail.com

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 8 2008 7:50 pm
From: "JonquilJan"

> >
> > You may be right, but I read this differently than you do. I can't say
> > that I've seen a house of that era that had vertical plank walls that
was
> > completely solid. Building styles vary depending on access to materials
> > but I would be surprised if her walls were solid.
> >
>
> I would. I'd expect they're just like mine (1815 or so). I've got 4x4
studs
> 12-15" apart, with brick and mortar filling the entire space in between.
> Over that is shiplap, then clapboards. Not exactly possible to blow
anything
> in.
>
>

Mine are solid planks. They are almost 3 inches thick. Can still see the
corner posts in two downstairs rooms - probably from the original 2 room
cabin. There was one home about half a mile from me - where it was tried to
insulate. Once they took off the outer shell, there was a frame of very
large hand hewn (could see the ax marks) beans - filled in with bricks and
mortar between. The house was eventually torn down.

JonquilJan

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