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TOPIC: Subscribed to the paper --- Was this frugal??
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 10 2008 11:30 pm
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <7Lidndt_r43zdOvVnZ2dnUVZ_tDinZ2d@yournetplus.com>,
"DemoDisk" <packrat@nospam.com> wrote:

> Our metropolitan area has just one major local newspaper which I buy on
> Friday, Sunday, and maybe one or two other days. It's reputation isn't
> good, but there are sales ads, the free TV guide, coupons, etc.
>
> Today, they offered it for 3, 6, or 12 months at $10/month, so I
> subscribed for their deal's maximum 2 years for $240. I figure that
> it's money I would have spent anyway for fewer papers and more hassle
> going out for it (and paying 50¢ or $1.50 for the Sunday).
>
> Still, the up-front outlay is a lot for me at this time, so I was
> wondering... Do you think it was the right choice?

Its your money and your decision. I would do it if the offer was
presented to me because I read the daily paper most days anyway. If I
were you, I would pay for the subscription with a credit card that
offers a good rebate, then pay off the bill when it arrives.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 11 2008 4:11 am
From: clams_casino

DemoDisk wrote:

>Our metropolitan area has just one major local newspaper which I buy on
>Friday, Sunday, and maybe one or two other days. It's reputation isn't
>good, but there are sales ads, the free TV guide, coupons, etc.
>
>Today, they offered it for 3, 6, or 12 months at $10/month, so I
>subscribed for their deal's maximum 2 years for $240. I figure that
>it's money I would have spent anyway for fewer papers and more hassle
>going out for it (and paying 50¢ or $1.50 for the Sunday).
>
>Still, the up-front outlay is a lot for me at this time, so I was
>wondering... Do you think it was the right choice?
>
>JPM
>
>
>
>
>
No enough information. I'm guessing you don't live close enough to a
library to make frequent visits cost effective.

Ignoring whether you derive enough return / satisfaction from having a
daily paper, one should also consider the cost to pick up a paper. Most
driving cost estimates today are are >50 cents / mile where in reality,
that short trip typically has more wear & tear (per mile) on your car
vs. longer / average trips. Driving out of your way can easily cost
more than the paper itself. Walking, however, could be a healthy exercise.

Then, of course, there is the time factor that you mentioned, plus
individual papers typically cost less than single issues.

If you are simply tossing the extra issues and/or just skimming them, it
may not be worth the price. At one time, one could almost justify the
paper on coupon returns, but that's most likely no longer a valid,
significant cost savings.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 11 2008 5:51 am
From: Goomba

Yes, I do. Not only are you paying for the convenience, but you're also
supporting your local news organization. That is worth something to me.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 11 2008 6:32 am
From: George Grapman

DemoDisk wrote:
> Our metropolitan area has just one major local newspaper which I buy on
> Friday, Sunday, and maybe one or two other days. It's reputation isn't
> good, but there are sales ads, the free TV guide, coupons, etc.
>
> Today, they offered it for 3, 6, or 12 months at $10/month, so I
> subscribed for their deal's maximum 2 years for $240. I figure that
> it's money I would have spent anyway for fewer papers and more hassle
> going out for it (and paying 50¢ or $1.50 for the Sunday).
>
> Still, the up-front outlay is a lot for me at this time, so I was
> wondering... Do you think it was the right choice?
>
> JPM
>
>
>
Depends how you use the paper. The local paper,the SF Chronicle
keeps cutting content and raising delivery rates. In addition they seem
unwilling or unable to keep papers dry on a rainy day. A few months ago
I gave up and cut back to Sunday only delivery. The coupons easily cover
the cost.
On the other hand having grown up with the NY Times I still get 7 day
delivery. I should note that the nearest place to buy the Chron in a 14
block round trip down and up a hill while it is at least 2 miles to get
the NY Times.
As for the up front fee ,papers love that even more than automatic
credit card billing because it takes away the cancellation option. Your
only risk would be if they shut down.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 11 2008 12:41 am
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== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 11 2008 6:33 am
From: Rune Allnor

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TOPIC: how's this for an economic mess?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 11 2008 2:46 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Mr.SmartyPants FUCKING LOVE MUFFINS! BITCH! <georgewkspam@humboldt1.com>
wrote: ARSE-THRASHER! BUM-FUCKING! SKANK! PENIS BREATH!

> What's the best way to get into a financial mess? I'm not an economist,

Or FUCKING BLACK SNAKE! anything else either. BUM CLEAVAGE! BUTT! BUTT
BANG! FLESH FLY!

> but the best way I know of is to borrow more money than you can pay back.

Mindlessly FUCKING ASS-GUNNER! superficial. It isnt FUCKING PIMP! always
that easy FUCKING DICKBREATH! to work out FUCKING KILL! what you can
FUCKING FAT-MOUTH! SCREW! PUSSY PLUNGER! NEW JERSEY NIGGER! pay back.
ANAL JOUSTER! POONTANG!

And FUCKING FREEBOOTER! CUM SLINGER! those who have FUCKING BIT OF
MUTTON! ASS-SELLER! got stinking rich FUCKING BUTT PEDDLER! ARSEWIPE!
HALFWIT! have got that FUCKING BUM BOY! FLOWER BOY! way by doing FUCKING
ANAL PLUG! GRAPEFRUITS! APE CROTCH! that anyway. BACK YARD PROWLER!
SHIT!

> Here's what Ron Paul says:

That FUCKING BUTT PUSSY! BACK YARD PROWLER! fool has never ever FUCKING
MUCUS MEMBRANE! had a clue. DOLLY-MOP! JACKOFF! FUCKPOLE!

> "Ron Paul: How We Got into this Mess

> By: The Mess that Greenspan Made

Nothing FUCKING BUM CRUMBS! CUNT! to do with Greenspan, FUCKING DUDES!
fool. AMYL QUEEN! BEARDED TACO!

> Thursday, July 10, 2008 5:41 PM
> Sectors: Finance

> From Ron Paul's Campaign for Liberty

Wota FUCKING FREEBOOTER! CARNAL STUMP! FARM ANIMAL! fucking wanker...
BRA BUDDIES! BITCH STICK!

> come these thoughts

Those FUCKING FAG! BOYS! arent thoughts, they're just FUCKING EASY-LAY!
ANAL COPULATION! COCK JOCKEY! more steaming turds. BITCHVILLE! DAMN IT!
CRUMPET-TRUMPET! ALL-DAY SUCKER! SMUT-SLUT!

> about how we got into such a mess with a financial
> system apparently falling apart at the seams

It FUCKING TART! SHOOT YOUR WAD! aint falling apart, FUCKING FLOP! ASS
HOUND! SCREW! GIVE HER THE HIGH HARD ONE! fool. NYMPHO! SCARLET-HARLOT!
INCEST!

> and soaring inflation

And FUCKING BUTT-FUCK BUDDY! there aint soaring FUCKING RAT'S ASS!
CARBUNCLE! BLOOD SPITTER! BUTT BANGING! DICK OF DEATH! inflation either,
fool. FUCKING SCARLET-HARLOT! DONKEY DICK! DISCHARGE! SUCK! BARE-ASS!
PUSSY LIPS! BONE DANCER!

> for nearly everything but the consumer price index.

Pity FUCKING PENIS WRINKLE! about what it measures, FUCKING DICK WIPE!
fool. BUTT BREATH! BLUE-VEINER!

> The entire statement was to be read into the Congressional Record earlier this week

Just FUCKING COCK SUCKER! another steaming turd FUCKING FLASH-GIRL!
dropped in there. FUCKING BUM PLUMBER! CLITTY! GUTTER-SLUT! VOMIT!
ASS-FUCKING! FUCK-BUNNY!

> - there are some 572 comments on the original article at Campaign for Liberty.

Yawn... FUCKING LOVE BLOBS! BUTT RAPE! FLOOZY! ARSE COOLER! WEE! CROTCH
VOMITER!

> The financial crisis,

There FUCKING FAIRY! is no financial crisis, FUCKING HOSE BAG! fool.
HUSSY! HEAD LOUSE! FUCK-MEAT!

> still in its early stages,

Wrong FUCKING PUSSY WHIP! DOUCHE BAG! again. ASS-PEDDLER! ARSECONS! BUMP
BONES! BITCH KITTY!

> is apparent to everyone:

You FUCKING CLITORIS! wouldnt know what FUCKING SHIT HEAD! a real
financial FUCKING BATTLE-AXE! crisis was if FUCKING TITS AND BUMS!
WETBACK! it bit you FUCKING ASS-LICKING! ASSHOLE! TWINK! on your lard
FUCKING ASS THRASHER! JIZZ-BABE! SCARLET-HARLOT! arse, the source
FUCKING BUMS AND TITS! CUNT COMPANION! DICKBREATH! of those steaming
FUCKING POP A NUT! turds. ARSE MONKEY! HOOKNOSE! ARSE-PACKER! SLUT!

> gasoline prices over $4 a gallon;

Yawn... FUCKING FUCK-KNUCKLE! HOOTERS! CORPSE! FLASH-GIRL!

> skyrocketing education and medical-care costs;

You FUCKING PECKER! wouldnt know what FUCKING BUM PRODDER! ARSE PIRATE!
DOGGY! a real skyrocket FUCKING FAT FLAPS! was if it FUCKING BLAIN! was
fired up FUCKING ANUS QUEEN! BUTT SUCKER! your lard arse, FUCKING
ABSCESS! fool. ARSE GOBLIN! DUDES! CUNT COMPANION! BOOB!

> the collapse of the housing bubble;

You FUCKING BLOOD WEEK! wouldnt know what FUCKING LOVE MUFFINS! a real
collapsed FUCKING SLAPPER! housing market was FUCKING GOLDEN SHOWER! if
it bit FUCKING CUM FACTORY! ANAL SPEAR! BELLY-BUMPING! you on your
FUCKING PENIS HEAD! CRACK WHORE! DUMBASS! lard arse, fool. FUCKING
APPLE-JOHN! PISS OFF! ARSE PIRATE! BITCHIN'!

> the bursting of the NASDAQ bubble;

You FUCKING ONE EYED BASTARD! wouldnt know what FUCKING CUSTARD PUMP! a
real burst FUCKING MIDGET FUCKER! HORNY! SAUSAGE JOCKEY! TUMOR! NASDAQ
market was FUCKING MINGE! if it bit FUCKING GERM! BREASTS! CLAM STICKER!
CRACK WHORE! you on your FUCKING LOOSE-LEGGED WOMAN! lard arse, fool.
FUCKING BUM BALLS! DICK FACE! JACK OFF! PISS ANT! ASS WEDGE! BUM-FUCKER!
BROWN EYE!

> stockmarkets plunging;

You FUCKING BITCHES! wouldnt know what a FUCKING SHIT FOR BRAINS! real
plunging stockmarket was FUCKING GIRL SCOUT! DORK! JACKOFF! BEAST-FUCK!
WALK-UP-FUCK! if it bit you FUCKING DICK LICKER! on your lard arse,
FUCKING FUCKSTER! ANUS! LOVE BONE! fool. SKANK! BUM CLEAVAGE! JACKASS!

> unemployment rising;,

Only FUCKING PUSSY! BLOOD SPORTS! DICK LICKER! JACKOFF! by 10%, fool.
BONE GOBBLER! NIPPLE!

> massive underemployment;

Bare FUCKING ARSEWIPE! faced lie. GROIN! LOOSE-LEGGED WOMAN!
BELLY-BUMPER!

> excessive government debt;

You're FUCKING BELLY THICKET! PIECE OF CRUMPET! always welcome to
FUCKING BUNGHOLE BANDIT! CUNT-STICKER! vote for higher FUCKING SHITFACE!
taxes, fool. HEAD LOUSE! ARSE BURGLAR! CUNTRAG!

> and unmanageable personal debt.

You FUCKING LIVER! wouldnt know what FUCKING LOVE TRAIN! BUTT REAMER! a
real unmanageable FUCKING BESTIALITY! JACK OFF! personal debt was
FUCKING PLACENTA POKER! ADULTERER! LOVE BLOBS! if it bit FUCKING
ARSE-PIRATE! COCK GOBLIN! you on your FUCKING NIGGER! PORK SWORD! lard
arse, fool. FUCKING MERRY-LEGS! NEW JERSEY NIGGER! TARBABY! CROTCH
COWBOY! STREET-WHORE! COCK TEASER!

> Little doubt exists as to whether we'll get stagflation.

Only FUCKING ARSE UP! for pig ignorant FUCKING ANAL-COPULATOR! COMMON
TART! fools like you. FUCKING JIZZ RECEPTACLE! ANAL-JOYRIDER! LOVE LOG!
FAT FINGER!

> The question that will soon be asked is: When will the stagflation become an inflationary depression?

Never, FUCKING VAGINA DECLINER! WHAT THE FUCK! thats when. We FUCKING
CUNNILINGUS! aint had one FUCKING BUMS AND TITS! PIMP! of those for
FUCKING FLOPPERS! BEAT MOLL! almost a century FUCKING BLOW STICK! now,
fool. PECKER! BUM BOY! CARBUNCLE! RETARD! ARSE BANDIT!

> There are various reasons that the world economy has been globalized

Meaningless FUCKING PROSTITUTE! waffle. HAPPY-ASSED! THROAT CHOKER!
MURDER!

> and the problems we face are worldwide.

No FUCKING BOSS-QUEEN! BED FAGGOT! CUNT-FOR-HIRE! BEAST-FUCK! they aint.
BUM JOCKEY! BAPS! ARSEBALL!

> We cannot understand what we're facing without understanding fiat money

You FUCKING FLESH INJECTION! ASS HOUND! wouldnt know what FUCKING BLOOD
FLAPS! FRUIT BAT! a real fiat FUCKING HICK! FLOPPERS! money was FUCKING
FLOP! PUDDINGS! FLAT-FUCK! if it bit FUCKING CLITTY! you on your FUCKING
BUTT! GIVE HER THE BUSINESS! BOOBIES! lard arse, fool. FUCKING LET THE
NIGGER GIRL DO IT! CUNT-FOR-HIRE! HALFWIT! BUTT RAPE! LOVE TORPEDO!
HICK!

> and the long-developing dollar bubble.

There FUCKING UDDERS! ANDRODYKE! is no 'dollar bubble', FUCKING COON!
fool. FOOL! SHITHEAD! PISS-PIPE! BLACK MORIAH!

> There were several stages. From the inception of the Federal Reserve System in 1913 to 1933,

Which FUCKING FUCK MUSCLE! BUGGER! is how a FUCKING BUTT PEDDLER! full
depression has FUCKING SCUM! been avoided for FUCKING CUNT RAG! almost a
century FUCKING ASS-FUCKER! ARSE-GOBLIN! now, fool. ARSE-FARMER! LOVE
PILLOWS! CLAM STICKER!

> the Central Bank established itself as the official dollar manager.

Pig FUCKING ARSE-OPENER! ignorant lie. FAGGOT! BLADDER!

> By 1933, Americans could no longer own gold, thus removing
> restraint on the Federal Reserve to inflate for war and welfare.

Pig FUCKING DICK BRAIN! ignorant lie. GOLDEN SHOWER! DICK SUCKER!
ASS-LICKER! ASS GREASE! FUCKING-STICK!

> By 1945, further restraints were removed by creating the Bretton-Woods
> Monetary System making the dollar the reserve currency of the world.

Pig FUCKING DWARF! ignorant lie. ARSE BENDER! FAGDYKE!

> This system lasted up until 1971. During the period between 1945 and
> 1971, some restraints on the Fed remained in place. Foreigners, but
> not Americans, could convert dollars to gold at $35 an ounce. Due to
> the excessive dollars being created, that system came to an end in 1971.

Pig FUCKING ANAL-JOYRIDER! ignorant lie. BLAIN! BONEHEAD! MORON! GAY!

> It's the post Bretton-Woods system that was responsible for globalizing
> inflation and markets and for generating a gigantic worldwide dollar bubble.

Pig FUCKING RAPE! ignorant lie. LICK! BLAME IT ON THE NIGGERS!
HARD-BOILER! G-STRING!

> That bubble is now bursting,

No FUCKING ANAL SPEAR! it aint. ASS JABBER! BAZONGAS!

> and we're seeing what it's like to suffer the
> consequences of the many previous economic errors.

Only FUCKING LOVE DART! in your pathetic little FUCKING MARMITE DRILLER!
BALL-BUSTER! drug crazed pig ignorant FUCKING BAR GIRL! BLUE-VEINER!
BUTT PUSSY! fantasyland. ASS! FLESH BAT! ARSE BENDER! BEARDED CLAM!
BACK-DOOR BUDDY!

> Ironically in these past 35 years, we have benefited from this very flawed system.

Yeah, FUCKING CRUMPET! BAZOOMBAS! ANAL-RAPE! BELLY TICKLER! like no full
FUCKING DOLT! CRACK A FAT! depression for almost FUCKING DOUBLE D'S! a
century now, FUCKING FLOP! fool. HOOFER! LOVE MEAT!

> Because the world accepted dollars as if they were gold, we only had
> to counterfeit more dollars, spend them overseas (indirectly encouraging
> our jobs to go overseas as well) and enjoy unearned prosperity.

Thanks FUCKING STAB! COCKSUCKING WHORE! for that completely FUCKING CUNT
LIP! superfluous proof that FUCKING FLESH-BAGS! FLIRT-GIRL! GIVE HER THE
HIGH HARD ONE! you have never FUCKING BARF BAG! PENIS BREATH! ever had a
FUCKING PIECE OF ASS! BLOOD WEEK! fucking clue. DRAGGY-UDDERS! TWINK!
ASS JABBER! ORGASM!

> Those who took our dollars and gave us goods and services
> were only too anxious to loan those dollars back to us.

Pig FUCKING DORK! ASS-TO-MOUTH! ignorant lie. FAST PARTY! BALL BUSTER!
ANAL-JOYRIDER! BAD SHIT!

> This allowed us to export our inflation and delay the consequences we now are starting to see.

Pig FUCKING SCRUBBER! ignorant lie. IMPREGNATOR! FUDDY-DUDDY!

> But it was never destined to last, and now we have to pay the piper.

Pig FUCKING SCUM! ignorant lie. CUNT! TWAT-PEDDLER!

> Our huge foreign debt must be paid or liquidated.

Thanks FUCKING ASS-FUCK! CLAM DIGGER! for that completely FUCKING
BITCH-QUEEN! NIGGER LOVER! superfluous proof that FUCKING CUSTARD PUMP!
you have never FUCKING BLUE-VEINED THROBBER! PUSSY LIPS! RAPE! ever had
a FUCKING NIGGER COCKSUCKER! fucking clue. PRICK! CONCUBINE! GLOBES!

> Our entitlements are coming due just as the world has become more reluctant to hold dollars.

Thanks FUCKING CUNTSLAPPER! ORGASM! for that completely FUCKING
KNOCKERS! superfluous proof that FUCKING ACE QUEEN! JACKING OFF! PUSSY
FEEDER! you have never FUCKING SHAG-BAG! DOUCHEBAG! ever had a FUCKING
FUCKHEADS! CUNT-STRETCHER! FUCKER! fucking clue. JAPSEYE! TROLLOP!
ASSHOLE FUCKING! BUTT-CRACK! ARSESUCKER!

> The consequence of that decision is price inflation in this countryand that's what we are witnessing today.

Thanks FUCKING PECKER! for that completely FUCKING DILDO! DOGSHIT!
superfluous proof that FUCKING LOVE JUICE! BUTT PUSSY! you have never
FUCKING SKANK! ANAL FISTULA! FUCKHEADS! ever had a FUCKING BLUE-VEINED
THROBBER! fucking clue. MOTHERFUCKER! BUTT FLOSS! RAPE!

> Already price inflation overseas is even higher than here at home as a
> consequence of foreign central bank's willingness to monetize our debt.

Thanks FUCKING THROAT CHOKER! HEIFER! for that completely FUCKING BOX
BUSTER! BELLY-FUCK! CUNT CAPER! CARNAL STUMP! NIGGER BALL! superfluous
proof that FUCKING BIKINI-STUFFERS! you have never FUCKING DICKBREATH!
ever had a FUCKING BABY JUICE! fucking clue. FARKLEBERRY! FUCKING-STICK!
POOFTER! CERVIX CRUSADER! ANAL JOYRIDER!

> Printing dollars over long periods of time

Thanks FUCKING COLON COWBOY! for that completely FUCKING SHITFACE!
superfluous proof that FUCKING TITS AND BUMS! BABY-PILLOWS! you have
never FUCKING BUGGERED! SHEEP! ANAL IMPALER! ever had a FUCKING HOSEBAG!
fucking clue. CANKER! GREASE MONKEY! LOOSE WOMAN! NIGGER COCKSUCKER!

> may not immediately push prices upyet in time it always does.
> Now we're seeing catch-up for past inflating of the monetary supply.

Thanks FUCKING BACK PASSAGE! FLAT-BACKER! BED PISSER! ANAL BORER! for
that completely FUCKING CUP YOUR CUNT! superfluous proof that FUCKING
PISS WHISTLE! you have never FUCKING FREAKFACE! DOGGY! BUTTOCK-BROKER!
ever had a FUCKING LICK! CUNTSLAPPER! TUMOR! fucking clue. DICKSMACK!
69! PUSSY LIP!

> As bad as it is today with $4 a gallon gasoline, this is just the beginning.

Yep, FUCKING COCK JOCKEY! BOILER! BLACK PENCIL! there is more demand
FUCKING GUTTER-SLUT! than supply, fool. TROLLOP! SNOT! ARSE PIRATE!
HALFWIT! TOWN-TRAMP!

> It's a gross distraction to hound away at "drill, drill, drill as a solution
> to the dollar crisis and high gasoline prices. Its okay to let the market
> increase supplies and drill, but that issue is a gross distraction from
> the sins of deficits and Federal Reserve monetary shenanigans.

Thanks FUCKING BLUE-VEINED CUSTARD CHUCKER! DICKIMUS MAXIMUS! for that
completely FUCKING INFECTION! DROP YOUR LOAD! DIPSTICK! superfluous
proof that FUCKING FOOL! FUCK-KNUCKLE! GUTTER SLUT BITCH! CRACK! you
have never FUCKING ASS-KISSER! ever had a FUCKING FUCKUP! fucking clue.
COCKY NIGGER! BLOW POP! GUTTER SLUT!

> This bubble is different and bigger for another reason.

You FUCKING FORNICATION! wouldnt know what FUCKING WANG! FOOL!
FUCK-KNUCKLE! BLACK PENCIL! a real bubble FUCKING BLACK JOKE! GIVE HER
THE HIGH HARD ONE! FULL LOAD! COCK SUCKER! was if it FUCKING BUGGERAGE!
bit you on FUCKING DICK FACE! SCARLET-HARLOT! SHITFIRE! BUM BANDIT!
SMACKING YOUR LIPS OVER MY DICK! BONEHEAD! ANAL DANCE! your lard arse,
FUCKING SHITTER! fool. BAREBACK RIDER! BAZOOMBAS! POO! FREAKY-CUM-GIRL!
FUCKPOLE!

> The central banks of the world secretly collude to centrally plan the world economy.

Thanks FUCKING BOOBS! for that completely FUCKING LESBIAN! superfluous
proof that FUCKING BUGGERLING! SKANK! you have never FUCKING ARSE-PISS!
BANGING FUDGE! ever had a FUCKING COMFORT WOMAN! fucking clue. DONKEY
HUMPER! COCK SUCKER! LOVE BLOBS! BUTTFUCKER! CAMEL RIDER!

> I'm convinced that agreements among central banks to
> "monetize U.S. debt these past 15 years have existed, although
> secretly and out of the reach of any oversight of anyone especially
> the U.S. Congress that doesn't care, or just flat doesn't understand.

Thanks FUCKING LIVER! for that completely FUCKING BUTT-FUCK BUDDY! CUNT
SCRAPER! superfluous proof that FUCKING KILL! COCK! you have never
FUCKING GIBLET! BUTT SLUT! FELLATIO! ever had a FUCKING ARSE-GOBLIN!
fucking clue. CAR WHORE! GIRL FRIDAY!

> As this "gift to us comes to an end, our problems worsen. The central
> banks and the various governments are very powerful, but eventually
> the markets overwhelm when the people who get stuck holding the
> bag (of bad dollars) catch on and spend the dollars into the economy
> with emotional zeal, thus igniting inflationary fever.

Thanks FUCKING ASS-HOLE! PACK-RAPE! for that completely FUCKING FLESH
FLUTE! FLEA BAGGER! SHIT FACE! OFFAL! superfluous proof that FUCKING
BLUE-VEINED PUSS CHUCKER! you have never FUCKING GENITAL WARTS! ever had
a FUCKING PISS PUMP! NIGGER! ARSE CURTAINS! fucking clue. CUSTARD PUMP!
PUSSY PLUNGER!

> This time since there are so many dollars and so many countries
> involved the Fed has been able to "paper over every approaching
> crisis for the past 15 years, especially with Alan Greenspan as
> Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, which has allowed the
> bubble to become history's greatest.

Thanks FUCKING CHOAD! for that completely FUCKING BUGGERY! CUNT-STICKER!
superfluous proof that FUCKING BOW-LEGGED SWAMP DONKEY! CUSTARD-CHUCKER!
FAT FLAPS! you have never FUCKING BELLY WHISKERS! BLACK JOCK! BEAN
QUEEN! ever had a FUCKING JACKSHIT! KNICKERS! fucking clue. ASS-KISSER!
PUSSY-POKER!

> The mistakes made with excessive credit at artificially low
> rates are huge, and the market is demanding a correction.

Thanks FUCKING BUTT SLUT! ASSWIPE! JEZEBEL! FREELOADER! BLEED THE
LIZARD! AARDVARK! POONTANG! SPUNK STICK! for that completely FUCKING
CERVIX POUNDER! superfluous proof that FUCKING BANE! you have never
FUCKING PUSSY-STICKER! SHUT UP! BULLSHITTER! ASS-BANDIT! ever had a
FUCKING FAGGOT! STRUMPET! COCKSUCKING WHORE! fucking clue. PUSSY FART!
TOSSER! BALL BAG! BOX BUSTER!

> This involves excessive debt, misdirected investments, over-investments,
> and all the other problems caused by the government when spending the
> money they should never have had. Foreign militarism, welfare handouts
> and $80 trillion entitlement promises are all coming to an end.

Only FUCKING KIPPER RIPPER! FUCKING SHIT! BROAD! FUCKING-STICK! in your
pathetic FUCKING DROOPERS! ASS PLUG! little drug crazed FUCKING FUCK
JUICE! COCKROACH! ASS-WIPE! fantasyland, fool. ABERRANT SEX! BACK-DOOR
BUDDY! BLOOD BLUNT! QUIM!

> We don't have the money or the wealth-creating capacity to catch up
> and care for all the needs that now exist because we rejected the
> market economy, sound money, self reliance and the principles of liberty.

Thanks FUCKING QUIM! ARSE GREASE! CRUMPET-TRUMPET! for that completely
FUCKING BUTT FUCKER! superfluous proof that FUCKING CATHOUSE BIRD! you
have never FUCKING BUM-WORKER! EYESORE! FLESH FLUTE! ASSHOLE BUDDY!
SCREW! GREASEBALL! ARSEHOLE! FAGDYKE! DAGO! ever had a FUCKING ASS
KISSER! BUM-FUCKER! PIECE OF CRUMPET! fucking clue. CUNT LIP! BLOOD
BLUNT! ARSEFACE! FART! FLESH BAT!

> It continues to amaze me how people can listen to something like this with just
> a blank stare on their face and then go on doing what they've been doing.

Because FUCKING CANKER! NIGGER LOVER! LOVE STICK! FURUNCLE! even they
realise FUCKING CUNT LIP! CROTCH COWBOY! its just another FUCKING
RUNNING SORE! completely mindless steaming FUCKING CERVIX CRUSADER!
turd. SCUM! CUNT SCRUBBER! THIGH! PUBIC HAIR!

> It's not as if there's anything people can really do about it

You FUCKING CERVIX POUNDER! ANAL INSERT! could always set FUCKING
FERRET! ARSE UP! fire to yourself FUCKING ANAL INSERT! BUTT-CRACK!
ASS-LICKER! DYKE! ARSE GREASE! WALK-UP-FUCK! FLESH MISSILE! in 'protest'
or FUCKING JACKASS! BREAST! DROP YOUR LOAD! ARSEBALL! JEW! PENIS! sumfin
and do FUCKING FUCK-MEAT! the world a FUCKING SHEEP! KNEE TREMBLER!
CABBAGE HEAD! SHIT FACE! HALFWIT! INTESTINES! service. PENIS BREATH!
MAIN VEIN! ULCER! BUM AND TITS! BEAN QUEEN!

> (aside from perhaps buying a little gold, just in case Ron Paul isn't
> just some crazy gold bug), but it almost seems as if talk like this is a
> source of cognitive dissonance to about 98 percent of the population
> who, in the end, are unwilling to even consider the possibility."

Because FUCKING BACK HOLE! FLOOZY! even they realise FUCKING DROPPINGS!
that you havent FUCKING ASSHOLE BANDIT! got a fucking FUCKING LOVE
SAUSAGE! clue. FELLATIO! HEDGE WHORE! AMPUTEE!

> http://www.istockanalyst.com/article/viewarticle+articleid_2387021.html#

> http://www.istockanalyst.com/article/authorcentral+authorid_88.html

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 11 2008 6:02 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"Mr.SmartyPants" <georgewkspam@humboldt1.com> wrote in message
news:georgewkspam-352252.22232610072008@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
> What's the best way to get into a financial mess? I'm not an
> economist, but the best way I know of is to borrow more money than you
> can pay back. Here's what Ron Paul says:
>
> "Ron Paul: How We Got into this Mess
>
> By: The Mess that Greenspan Made Thursday, July 10, 2008 5:41 PM
> Sectors: Finance

and he bailed just in time. he knew exactly what was coming and he was
trying to avoid being
blamed for it.

----------------------
"I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice
cannot sleep forever."--Thomas Jefferson

"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide
everything." -- Josef V. Stalin

www.myspace.com/bodybuildinggranny

heavy on the country music. if you don't like country, scroll down for
some surprises.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 11 2008 3:54 am
From: clams_casino

William Souden wrote:

>
>
> You pay 25 cents a gallon more at a brand name station than at no
> name place across the street.
>
At best, I've seen a 10 cent spread in recent years - more commonly it's
perhaps a few cents to a nickel. Since my CC rebates 3% at branded
stations, usually it's cheaper for me to pay the higher price at the
branded station vs. the no brand (including discount store) stations.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 11 2008 5:39 am
From: "Dave"

"clams_casino" <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote in message
news:VZGdk.27405$i55.5681@newsfe22.lga...
> William Souden wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > You pay 25 cents a gallon more at a brand name station than at no
> > name place across the street.
> >
> At best, I've seen a 10 cent spread in recent years - more commonly it's
> perhaps a few cents to a nickel. Since my CC rebates 3% at branded
> stations, usually it's cheaper for me to pay the higher price at the
> branded station vs. the no brand (including discount store) stations.

That must be a recent development. One company I worked for required us to
fuel at certain stations for a 5 cent rebate on the company credit cards,
even though nearby stations were often 10 to 25 cents cheaper. -Dave

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 11 2008 7:11 am
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com

On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 20:00:38 -0700, William Souden <souden@nospam.com>
wrote:

> You ,as an individual. pay more than $100 for landline,cell and
>internet access. Find a company offering two or all three at a combo rate.

Heh. Try living in the country. If you want any semblance of
broadband at home, you have one option - satellite. Satellite works
lousy for VOIP, so a land line is a requirement if you happen to be in
an area like I am, where cell phones don't work. A trip to a free
wifi spot twenty miles away costs too much, and eliminates that as a
money-saving option.

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TOPIC: How much does AC cost you?
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 11 2008 4:01 am
From: clams_casino

James wrote:

>I get 30 mpg not using AC but only 25 mpg with it on.
>
>

That's contrary to any study I've read, unless perhaps you are driving
with your windows closed. Any references?

At best, I see a 15% variation in tank-to-tank mileage, quite
consistently throughout the year. I've also found no significant
differences comparing spring, fall, winter & summer gas mileage.

Consequently, I'm reluctant to believe there is any significant
difference.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 11 2008 5:56 am
From: James

On Jul 11, 7:01 am, clams_casino <PeterGrif...@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
> James wrote:
> >I get 30 mpg not using AC but only 25 mpg with it on.
>
> That's contrary to any study I've read, unless perhaps you are driving
> with your windows closed. Any references?
>
> At best, I see a 15% variation in tank-to-tank mileage, quite
> consistently throughout the year. I've also found no significant
> differences comparing spring, fall, winter & summer gas mileage.
>
> Consequently, I'm reluctant to believe there is any significant
> difference.

Well, 30 less 15% is about 25.

BTW I also notice a lot less power with the AC on so I have to shift
gears differently.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 11 2008 6:38 am
From: clams_casino

James wrote:

>On Jul 11, 7:01 am, clams_casino <PeterGrif...@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>
>
>>James wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I get 30 mpg not using AC but only 25 mpg with it on.
>>>
>>>
>>That's contrary to any study I've read, unless perhaps you are driving
>>with your windows closed. Any references?
>>
>>At best, I see a 15% variation in tank-to-tank mileage, quite
>>consistently throughout the year. I've also found no significant
>>differences comparing spring, fall, winter & summer gas mileage.
>>
>>Consequently, I'm reluctant to believe there is any significant
>>difference.
>>
>>
>
>Well, 30 less 15% is about 25.
>
>
>

15% is the maximum variation I've seen over 110k on one car and 85k on
the other - more likely variations due to how much the tank was filled /
type of driving during any particular tank (city vs. hwy).

As previously mentioned, I have also compared fall, winter, summer &
spring mileage with essentially no significant differences (less than
1/2 mile).

I highly doubt there is much difference w/wo air.

"In Edmunds.com's test, conducted at a steady 65 miles per hour,
"windows down" or "A/C on" made virtually no difference in mileage."

"Basically, the extra fuel used by the air conditioner is made up for in
improved aerodynamics at high speeds (vs.windows down). Your not really
saving any fuel but, at least on the highway, the A/C isn't costing you
appreciably either."

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 11 2008 6:44 am
From: clams_casino

clams_casino wrote:

> James wrote:
>
>> On Jul 11, 7:01 am, clams_casino <PeterGrif...@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> James wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I get 30 mpg not using AC but only 25 mpg with it on.
>>>>
>>>
>>> That's contrary to any study I've read, unless perhaps you are driving
>>> with your windows closed. Any references?
>>>
>>> At best, I see a 15% variation in tank-to-tank mileage, quite
>>> consistently throughout the year. I've also found no significant
>>> differences comparing spring, fall, winter & summer gas mileage.
>>>
>>> Consequently, I'm reluctant to believe there is any significant
>>> difference.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Well, 30 less 15% is about 25.
>>
>>
>>
>
> 15% is the maximum variation I've seen over 110k on one car and 85k on
> the other - more likely variations due to how much the tank was filled
> / type of driving during any particular tank (city vs. hwy).
>
> As previously mentioned, I have also compared fall, winter, summer &
> spring mileage with essentially no significant differences (less than
> 1/2 mile).
>
> I highly doubt there is much difference w/wo air.
>
>
>
> "In Edmunds.com's test, conducted at a steady 65 miles per hour,
> "windows down" or "A/C on" made virtually no difference in mileage."
>
> "Basically, the extra fuel used by the air conditioner is made up for
> in improved aerodynamics at high speeds (vs.windows down). Your not
> really saving any fuel but, at least on the highway, the A/C isn't
> costing you appreciably either."

Apparently, the type of car / design may have a significant effect - A
lot will also depend on the speed.

"The air conditioner draws its power from the engine which uses some
gas, but with today's cars, this use of gas is minute. The air
conditioner can decrease the fuel economy of your car up to 20% in some
vehicles, but it depends on the type. Driving with the air conditioner
is more fuel efficient than driving with the windows down. Driving with
the windows down creates drag which means that your engine has to work
harder to keep your car at the current speed; this burns more gas than
if you just ran your air conditioner."

according to Consumer Reports. "If you're going more than 40 miles per
hour, it's probably better to have the air conditioning on. But if
you're driving around town at 30 miles per hour, keeping the windows
down may be your best bet."

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TOPIC: Which of these is best VALUE stock investment?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 11 2008 6:10 am
From: "OhioGuy"

I like to do value stock investments. In other words, pick things up when
they are cheap. Recently, I invested 3/4 of my $ into 3 different stocks,
but now I'm having a hard time deciding what stock to invest the last bit
into.

Here is what I'm considering:

WOLF Great Wolf Resorts
current price $4.37 52 wk. range $3.98 to $15.70
indoor year round water parks and hotels
recent expansion, built several new properties, but current
economic climate weighs on earnings, but could easily double in the next 2-3
years, but has higher downside risk

BPL Buckeye Partners LP
current price $40.72 52 wk. range $39.11 to $55.54
stock has over an 8% yield
owns a network of 5,400 miles of pipelines which it uses to transport fuels
to terminals, airports, and other places of heavy use. Also provides
pipeline operation, maintenance and construction services for third parties.
Consistently profitable, but stock is currently down about 20%. With yield,
could give 36% return over next 2 years. Not much risk.

FUN Cedar Fair LP
Current Price $16.69 52 wk. range $16.14 to $29.90
Operates 11 amusement parks, 6 water parks, 1 indoor water park, and 5
hotels. Flagship park is Cedar Point. Stock gives a 10% to 11% yield, and
is currently close to its lowest point in recent years, due to current poor
economy. May be some downside, but stock yield gives some insurance against
inflation, and stock has potential to add 50% in a year or two.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 11 2008 5:30 am
From: zekfrivo@zekfrivolous.com (GregS)

In article <MPG.22e067da4eb0bb1e989e77@news.individual.net>, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>In article <g54uji$nkv$1@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>,
>zekfrivo@zekfrivolous.com says...
>> In article <MPG.22df1c1ee7abf69f989e70@news.individual.net>, krw
> <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>> >In article <g52fmu$u9q$1@aioe.org>, tmclone@searchmachine.com
>> >says...
>> >>
>> >> <hchickpea@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:33i974tg8ojk98l0l343fnj8iravfqutmg@4ax.com...
>> >> > On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 22:50:07 -0400, "JonquilJan" <ward39@imcnet.net>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>There was one home about half a mile from me - where it was tried to
>> >> >>insulate. Once they took off the outer shell, there was a frame of very
>> >> >>large hand hewn (could see the ax marks) beans - filled in with bricks
>> >> >>and
>> >> >>mortar between.
>> >> >
>> >> Everything in my house was hand hewn. The home inspector who did the
> report
>> >> before I bought the place thought the joists weren't real wood because
> they
>> >> were "misshapen and just way too big" (his words). When I pointed out that
>
>> >> the house was nearly 200 years old, he then assumed that the wood would be
>
>> >> rotten. He was extremely surprised that everything in the house was just
>> >> fine. He commented that the house was "better built than anything they're
>> >> making now". Well, yeah, since my house was built to last, not to current
>> >> "code". 24" on center. Are they crazy? Everything in my house is 12-15" on
>
>> >> center, and 4x4, not 2x4. Hardwood floors over diagonally laid tongue and
>> >> groove subfloor over wide plank pine. An elephant could jump up and down
> on
>> >> my floors and you'd never feel it. I would never live in a "new" house.
>> >
>> >I would bet that a "properly built" house today will use a lot less
>> >heat than yours. 2x6s 24" on center construction is certainly
>> >better than 2x4s on 16" centers, and even somewhat better than 2x6s
>> >16" on center. Wood is a pretty poor insulator.
>> >
>>
>> 1 inch of dry wood = R1.
>
>Yes, pretty damned poor.
>
>> 2 inches = R2
>
>Rather obvious.

Put a reflective surface on that and you can add 1.5. Sometimes a reflective
surface can be much more than R 1.5 depending if there are really hot
areas involved, or high differentials.

greg

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 11 2008 5:34 am
From: zekfrivo@zekfrivolous.com (GregS)

In article <g57jos$d36$2@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>, zekfrivo@zekfrivolous.com (GregS) wrote:
>In article <MPG.22e067da4eb0bb1e989e77@news.individual.net>, krw
> <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>>In article <g54uji$nkv$1@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>,
>>zekfrivo@zekfrivolous.com says...
>>> In article <MPG.22df1c1ee7abf69f989e70@news.individual.net>, krw
>> <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>>> >In article <g52fmu$u9q$1@aioe.org>, tmclone@searchmachine.com
>>> >says...
>>> >>
>>> >> <hchickpea@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> >> news:33i974tg8ojk98l0l343fnj8iravfqutmg@4ax.com...
>>> >> > On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 22:50:07 -0400, "JonquilJan" <ward39@imcnet.net>
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >>There was one home about half a mile from me - where it was tried to
>>> >> >>insulate. Once they took off the outer shell, there was a frame of
> very
>>> >> >>large hand hewn (could see the ax marks) beans - filled in with bricks
>
>>> >> >>and
>>> >> >>mortar between.
>>> >> >
>>> >> Everything in my house was hand hewn. The home inspector who did the
>> report
>>> >> before I bought the place thought the joists weren't real wood because
>> they
>>> >> were "misshapen and just way too big" (his words). When I pointed out
> that
>>
>>> >> the house was nearly 200 years old, he then assumed that the wood would
> be
>>
>>> >> rotten. He was extremely surprised that everything in the house was just
>>> >> fine. He commented that the house was "better built than anything they're
>
>>> >> making now". Well, yeah, since my house was built to last, not to current
>
>>> >> "code". 24" on center. Are they crazy? Everything in my house is 12-15"
> on
>>
>>> >> center, and 4x4, not 2x4. Hardwood floors over diagonally laid tongue and
>
>>> >> groove subfloor over wide plank pine. An elephant could jump up and down
>> on
>>> >> my floors and you'd never feel it. I would never live in a "new" house.
>>> >
>>> >I would bet that a "properly built" house today will use a lot less
>>> >heat than yours. 2x6s 24" on center construction is certainly
>>> >better than 2x4s on 16" centers, and even somewhat better than 2x6s
>>> >16" on center. Wood is a pretty poor insulator.
>>> >
>>>
>>> 1 inch of dry wood = R1.
>>
>>Yes, pretty damned poor.
>>
>>> 2 inches = R2
>>
>>Rather obvious.
>
>Put a reflective surface on that and you can add 1.5. Sometimes a reflective
>surface can be much more than R 1.5 depending if there are really hot
>areas involved, or high differentials.

I'll give an example where a reflective barrier works best. i had bare
rafters in the garage, and as soon as the sun hit the roof you could
feel all that heat radiating down. i put up preforated reflective foil and now
you done' feel that heat, and I can go in the garage and work.

greg

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 11 2008 6:02 am
From: krw

In article <g57jos$d36$2@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>,
zekfrivo@zekfrivolous.com says...
> In article <MPG.22e067da4eb0bb1e989e77@news.individual.net>, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
> >In article <g54uji$nkv$1@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>,
> >zekfrivo@zekfrivolous.com says...
> >> In article <MPG.22df1c1ee7abf69f989e70@news.individual.net>, krw
> > <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
> >> >In article <g52fmu$u9q$1@aioe.org>, tmclone@searchmachine.com
> >> >says...
> >> >>
> >> >> <hchickpea@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:33i974tg8ojk98l0l343fnj8iravfqutmg@4ax.com...
> >> >> > On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 22:50:07 -0400, "JonquilJan" <ward39@imcnet.net>
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>There was one home about half a mile from me - where it was tried to
> >> >> >>insulate. Once they took off the outer shell, there was a frame of very
> >> >> >>large hand hewn (could see the ax marks) beans - filled in with bricks
> >> >> >>and
> >> >> >>mortar between.
> >> >> >
> >> >> Everything in my house was hand hewn. The home inspector who did the
> > report
> >> >> before I bought the place thought the joists weren't real wood because
> > they
> >> >> were "misshapen and just way too big" (his words). When I pointed out that
> >
> >> >> the house was nearly 200 years old, he then assumed that the wood would be
> >
> >> >> rotten. He was extremely surprised that everything in the house was just
> >> >> fine. He commented that the house was "better built than anything they're
> >> >> making now". Well, yeah, since my house was built to last, not to current
> >> >> "code". 24" on center. Are they crazy? Everything in my house is 12-15" on
> >
> >> >> center, and 4x4, not 2x4. Hardwood floors over diagonally laid tongue and
> >> >> groove subfloor over wide plank pine. An elephant could jump up and down
> > on
> >> >> my floors and you'd never feel it. I would never live in a "new" house.
> >> >
> >> >I would bet that a "properly built" house today will use a lot less
> >> >heat than yours. 2x6s 24" on center construction is certainly
> >> >better than 2x4s on 16" centers, and even somewhat better than 2x6s
> >> >16" on center. Wood is a pretty poor insulator.
> >> >
> >>
> >> 1 inch of dry wood = R1.
> >
> >Yes, pretty damned poor.
> >
> >> 2 inches = R2
> >
> >Rather obvious.
>
> Put a reflective surface on that and you can add 1.5. Sometimes a reflective
> surface can be much more than R 1.5 depending if there are really hot
> areas involved, or high differentials.

Not that it has anything to do with the issue at hand, but this is
simply wrong. The reflective barrier will not keep heat in; zero R
value. It will *reflect* IR radiation and is useful in areas with
lots of sun, but it adds zero to the R value.

--
Keith

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TOPIC: FOOD RECALL: canned Wild Alaskan Smoked Salmon
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 11 2008 5:40 am
From: balanco01@yahoo.com

http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Jul09/0,4670,Recalls,00.html

Product recalls: smoked salmon
Wednesday, July 09, 2008

The following recall has been announced:

_ Salmolux Inc. is recalling 6,140 units of its Wild Alaskan Smoked
Salmon Nova Lox, sold in 3-ounce packages, because it might be
contaminated with Listeria monocytogenes. The organism can cause
serious and sometimes fatal infections. No illnesses have been
reported, according to the company based in Federal Way, Wash. The
recalled product was distributed in Arizona, California, and Nevada
through Vons retail outlets and distributed in Delaware, Florida,
Georgia, Maryland, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, West
Virginia, and Virginia through Food Lion retail outlets. The product
is marked with the lot No. 01418. For more information, consumers can
call 253-874-2026 ext. 214.

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TOPIC: Cheese
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Date: Fri, Jul 11 2008 6:00 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"Marsha" <mas@xeb.net> wrote in message news:g56c8f$g62$1@news.datemas.de...
> Refrigerate or not?
>
> Marsha/Ohio
>

refr raw cheese. i'd say you can leave out pasteurized cheese if you're
gonna use it
soon. i think it will mold.

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TOPIC: The chickens have arrived
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Date: Fri, Jul 11 2008 7:16 am
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com

On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:00:45 -0500, barbie gee <booger@nosespam.com>
wrote:

>
>
>On Thu, 10 Jul 2008, hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>> I've been constructing a chicken tractor today. This first one is
>> taking a surprising amount of time to design and build, since I'm
>> partly working out design issues as I build, and I've been doing lap
>> joints without the proper tools. I'm trying to keep construction
>> materials cost as low as possible without resorting to scrap wood. I
>> have hopes that I'll be able to make up a set of plans, or even market
>> kits or complete units to folks in the general area.
>
>so what's a chicken tractor, anyway?

We make chickens work out here. I want to have them haying by fall.

Think cage and housing without floor. Instead of moving the buildup
of poop and litter, you move the cage. Within a short period, the
land is just a little more fertile, and the chickens have fresh
pickins.

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TOPIC: Mattresses: Latex, wool, experiences?
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Date: Fri, Jul 11 2008 6:49 am
From: jasper77

On Jul 10, 6:50 pm, m...@privacy.net wrote:
> jasper77 <jeanne.petrang...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >I've always had innerspring mattresses and it's time for a new one.
> >I'm considering a latex mattress for the following reasons:
>
> I'm glad you posted the question as I'm thinking abt
> doing the same thing!! Hope we get some good
> discussion on it.
>
> I'm thinking abt not using box springs period anymore
> and just using a mattress of foam or latex on a
> platform type bed. That what you have in mind as well?

Similar! I'm considering keeping my old boxspring and putting a piece
of plywood on it, plus a sturdy/cheap blanket to keep the plywood from
tearing up the mattress. I've read a suggestion to cut the plywood so
it's not under the top 1/4 of the mattress for some kind of firmness
reason. That detail probably doesn't have to be decided ahead of time,
anyway.

One option I'm thinking of is buying a basic innerspring mattress and
then topping it with 1-3 inches of latex, and maybe wool. But then
we'd have to rotate and maybe flip the innerspring mattress regularly
to prolong its life, and we would still be able to feel each other's
movement... so why not just forgo the innerspring and get foam
instead? (I surmise this is also what you're thinking). Online, 6" of
latex would cost just a bit more than a new innerspring mattress but
last a lot longer. I found an old post (2001) on this group from
someone who used as his bottom layer not latex, but 8" of soft (open
celled) upholstery foam, which can be had very inexpensively if you're
near a distributor because it's a commodity product for upholstery. He
topped it with latex and then wool, and said he and his wife thought
it was far more comfortable than the high end expensive mattress
they'd just tried out and rejected. I'm sure that doesn't last as
long as latex, but perhaps it can be replaced many times over for the
same cost as latex. Unfortunately he used a made-up email address, so
unless he still reads this group, we can't find out how that worked
for him in the long run.

I like the suggestion I saw on one website to get three different 3"
latex layers, and each can be a different firmness. Then you can swap
the order of the layers until you find what you like.

When I read the online reviews of commercially made latex mattresses
and they complain about body impressions, I suspect the mattresses are
not *all* latex, but are latex cores topped with something softer
(like convoluted polyurethane foam). It's the non-latex part that
compresses. But since that's sewn into the mattress, you're stuck with
it. If I find I like latex topped with something fluffier, I could
essentially make my own mattress (foambymail.com is one source of
zippered mattress covers) and replace the cheaper compressed layer as
desired. Plus I would spend a small fraction of what the pre-made
mattresses cost. The tricky thing is trying to figure out what me and
my husband would like *before* spending the money!

Wool: I ordered two clearance wool blankets from Sierra Trading Post a
week ago. They just arrived. One is a merino wool throw, so it's small
enough to put under the sheet and sleep half on it, half off it. I
want to try it this weekend. The other is an unlabeled kind of wool
and is a full sized blanket, but smells of mothballs so it needs to be
washed (it's washable). These are both blankets I can use otherwise so
they're not wasted money.

Memory foam: We've tried a memory foam mattress topper. It definitely
made us feel warmer. A slick-haired salesman at a mattress store told
us Tempurpedic is different because it's open celled instead of closed
celled, and the open cells (think a foam of bubbles where the walls
between the bubbles have holes so air can move through them) breathe,
while many knock-offs are closed cells. I've also read that terry
mattress covers retain/reflect heat a lot, and the Tempurpedic
mattresses we've seen in stores have terry covers. However, our mind
is made and we are /not/ going to go with memory foam. I've heard of
too many heat problems with Tempurpedic specifically, and how
difficult it can be to get them to replace mattresses that have deep
body impressions, that there's no way we're going to risk that kind of
money. Also since it's temperature sensitive, that foam is harder in
the winter and softer in the summer. We'd prefer to have consistent
firmness.

I read latex is "the coolest" of the foams due to the pinholes it is
made with. I also read it's "4% hotter" than an innerspring mattress,
with nothing to back up that precision.

Any more experiences?
Thanks!
JP

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TOPIC: jordan shoes and much popular cloths ,sports shoes only 27 usd
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