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* Oxygen #1 and 2? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/e2f608c388e35489?hl=en
* Subscribed to the paper --- Was this frugal?? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/492a471c6c732495?hl=en
* How much does AC cost you? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/cdcf4b45a8aaec43?hl=en
* how's this for an economic mess? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/3a370d079370dd0b?hl=en
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TOPIC: Oxygen #1 and 2?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/e2f608c388e35489?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 10 2008 9:30 pm
From: "Malcolm \"Mal\" Reynolds"
gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston) wrote in
news:hv-dnRynL-eUVuvVnZ2dnUVZ_tzinZ2d@posted.hiwaay2:
> In article
> <georgewkspam-C7EDBB.14462510072008@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,
> Mr.SmartyPants <georgewkspam@humboldt1.com> wrote:
>>what is the difference between "welding" oxygen and #2 for medical use?
>>a gas delivery guy told me there is no difference/ only the price.
>
> Presumably, one is certified for human consumption, the other is not.
>
> If you need medicinal oxygen on an ongoing basis, get one of the in-home
> oxygen generators.
>
>
> Gary
>
The only advantage to a concentrator is that it might qualify you for a
discount on your electricity bill...The big disadvantage to a concentrator is
you are SOL when the electricity fails.
Liquid oxy is quiet and very pure, and if you have a portable, they are
refillable from the big tanks.
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TOPIC: Subscribed to the paper --- Was this frugal??
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/492a471c6c732495?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 10 2008 10:02 pm
From: "DemoDisk"
Our metropolitan area has just one major local newspaper which I buy on
Friday, Sunday, and maybe one or two other days. It's reputation isn't
good, but there are sales ads, the free TV guide, coupons, etc.
Today, they offered it for 3, 6, or 12 months at $10/month, so I
subscribed for their deal's maximum 2 years for $240. I figure that
it's money I would have spent anyway for fewer papers and more hassle
going out for it (and paying 50¢ or $1.50 for the Sunday).
Still, the up-front outlay is a lot for me at this time, so I was
wondering... Do you think it was the right choice?
JPM
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 10 2008 11:30 pm
From: Shawn Hirn
In article <7Lidndt_r43zdOvVnZ2dnUVZ_tDinZ2d@yournetplus.com>,
"DemoDisk" <packrat@nospam.com> wrote:
> Our metropolitan area has just one major local newspaper which I buy on
> Friday, Sunday, and maybe one or two other days. It's reputation isn't
> good, but there are sales ads, the free TV guide, coupons, etc.
>
> Today, they offered it for 3, 6, or 12 months at $10/month, so I
> subscribed for their deal's maximum 2 years for $240. I figure that
> it's money I would have spent anyway for fewer papers and more hassle
> going out for it (and paying 50¢ or $1.50 for the Sunday).
>
> Still, the up-front outlay is a lot for me at this time, so I was
> wondering... Do you think it was the right choice?
Its your money and your decision. I would do it if the offer was
presented to me because I read the daily paper most days anyway. If I
were you, I would pay for the subscription with a credit card that
offers a good rebate, then pay off the bill when it arrives.
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TOPIC: How much does AC cost you?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/cdcf4b45a8aaec43?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 10 2008 10:04 pm
From: "DemoDisk"
"James" <j0069bond@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2ffc1d1a-abfe-45f7-8915-4c13420a3b68@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
> I get 30 mpg not using AC but only 25 mpg with it on.
Oh. I thought you were talking about your home AC, and I'm thinkin, Man,
that's one helluva house!
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TOPIC: how's this for an economic mess?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/3a370d079370dd0b?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 10 2008 10:23 pm
From: "Mr.SmartyPants"
What's the best way to get into a financial mess? I'm not an
economist, but the best way I know of is to borrow more money than you
can pay back. Here's what Ron Paul says:
"Ron Paul: How We Got into this Mess
By: The Mess that Greenspan Made Thursday, July 10, 2008 5:41 PM
Sectors: Finance
From Ron Paul's Campaign for Liberty come these thoughts about how we
got into such a mess with a financial system apparently falling apart
at the seams and soaring inflation for nearly everything but the
consumer price index.
The entire statement was to be read into the Congressional Record
earlier this week - there are some 572 comments on the original
article at Campaign for Liberty.
The financial crisis, still in its early stages, is apparent to
everyone: gasoline prices over $4 a gallon; skyrocketing education and
medical-care costs; the collapse of the housing bubble; the bursting
of the NASDAQ bubble; stockmarkets plunging; unemployment rising;,
massive underemployment; excessive government debt; and unmanageable
personal debt. Little doubt exists as to whether we'll get
stagflation. The question that will soon be asked is: When will the
stagflation become an inflationary depression?
There are various reasons that the world economy has been
globalized and the problems we face are worldwide. We cannot
understand what we're facing without understanding fiat money and the
long-developing dollar bubble.
There were several stages. From the inception of the Federal
Reserve System in 1913 to 1933, the Central Bank established itself as
the official dollar manager. By 1933, Americans could no longer own
gold, thus removing restraint on the Federal Reserve to inflate for
war and welfare.
By 1945, further restraints were removed by creating the
Bretton-Woods Monetary System making the dollar the reserve currency
of the world. This system lasted up until 1971. During the period
between 1945 and 1971, some restraints on the Fed remained in place.
Foreigners, but not Americans, could convert dollars to gold at $35 an
ounce. Due to the excessive dollars being created, that system came to
an end in 1971.
It's the post Bretton-Woods system that was responsible for
globalizing inflation and markets and for generating a gigantic
worldwide dollar bubble. That bubble is now bursting, and we're seeing
what it's like to suffer the consequences of the many previous
economic errors.
Ironically in these past 35 years, we have benefited from this
very flawed system. Because the world accepted dollars as if they were
gold, we only had to counterfeit more dollars, spend them overseas
(indirectly encouraging our jobs to go overseas as well) and enjoy
unearned prosperity. Those who took our dollars and gave us goods and
services were only too anxious to loan those dollars back to us. This
allowed us to export our inflation and delay the consequences we now
are starting to see.
But it was never destined to last, and now we have to pay the
piper. Our huge foreign debt must be paid or liquidated. Our
entitlements are coming due just as the world has become more
reluctant to hold dollars. The consequence of that decision is price
inflation in this countryand that's what we are witnessing today.
Already price inflation overseas is even higher than here at home as a
consequence of foreign central bank's willingness to monetize our
debt.
Printing dollars over long periods of time may not immediately
push prices upyet in time it always does. Now we're seeing catch-up
for past inflating of the monetary supply. As bad as it is today with
$4 a gallon gasoline, this is just the beginning. It's a gross
distraction to hound away at "drill, drill, drill as a solution to
the dollar crisis and high gasoline prices. Its okay to let the market
increase supplies and drill, but that issue is a gross distraction
from the sins of deficits and Federal Reserve monetary shenanigans.
This bubble is different and bigger for another reason. The
central banks of the world secretly collude to centrally plan the
world economy. I'm convinced that agreements among central banks to
"monetize U.S. debt these past 15 years have existed, although
secretly and out of the reach of any oversight of anyoneespecially
the U.S. Congress that doesn't care, or just flat doesn't understand.
As this "gift to us comes to an end, our problems worsen. The central
banks and the various governments are very powerful, but eventually
the markets overwhelm when the people who get stuck holding the bag
(of bad dollars) catch on and spend the dollars into the economy with
emotional zeal, thus igniting inflationary fever.
This timesince there are so many dollars and so many countries
involvedthe Fed has been able to "paper over every approaching
crisis for the past 15 years, especially with Alan Greenspan as
Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, which has allowed the bubble to
become history's greatest.
The mistakes made with excessive credit at artificially low rates
are huge, and the market is demanding a correction. This involves
excessive debt, misdirected investments, over-investments, and all the
other problems caused by the government when spending the money they
should never have had. Foreign militarism, welfare handouts and $80
trillion entitlement promises are all coming to an end. We don't have
the money or the wealth-creating capacity to catch up and care for all
the needs that now exist because we rejected the market economy, sound
money, self reliance and the principles of liberty.
It continues to amaze me how people can listen to something like this
with just a blank stare on their face and then go on doing what
they've been doing.
It's not as if there's anything people can really do about it (aside
from perhaps buying a little gold, just in case Ron Paul isn't just
some crazy gold bug), but it almost seems as if talk like this is a
source of cognitive dissonance to about 98 percent of the population
who, in the end, are unwilling to even consider the possibility."
http://www.istockanalyst.com/article/viewarticle+articleid_2387021.html#
http://www.istockanalyst.com/article/authorcentral+authorid_88.html
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If guns are out-lawed. Only the Out-laws & politicians will have guns.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 10 2008 11:17 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Mr.SmartyPants <georgewkspam@humboldt1.com> wrote:
> What's the best way to get into a financial mess? I'm not an economist,
Or anything else either.
> but the best way I know of is to borrow more money than you can pay back.
Mindlessly superficial. It isnt always that easy to work out what you can pay back.
And those who have got stinking rich have got that way by doing that anyway.
> Here's what Ron Paul says:
That fool has never ever had a clue.
> "Ron Paul: How We Got into this Mess
> By: The Mess that Greenspan Made
Nothing to do with Greenspan, fool.
> Thursday, July 10, 2008 5:41 PM
> Sectors: Finance
> From Ron Paul's Campaign for Liberty
Wota fucking wanker...
> come these thoughts
Those arent thoughts, they're just more steaming turds.
> about how we got into such a mess with a financial
> system apparently falling apart at the seams
It aint falling apart, fool.
> and soaring inflation
And there aint soaring inflation either, fool.
> for nearly everything but the consumer price index.
Pity about what it measures, fool.
> The entire statement was to be read into the Congressional Record earlier this week
Just another steaming turd dropped in there.
> - there are some 572 comments on the original article at Campaign for Liberty.
Yawn...
> The financial crisis,
There is no financial crisis, fool.
> still in its early stages,
Wrong again.
> is apparent to everyone:
You wouldnt know what a real financial crisis was if it bit
you on your lard arse, the source of those steaming turds.
> gasoline prices over $4 a gallon;
Yawn...
> skyrocketing education and medical-care costs;
You wouldnt know what a real skyrocket was if it was fired up your lard arse, fool.
> the collapse of the housing bubble;
You wouldnt know what a real collapsed housing market was if it bit you on your lard arse, fool.
> the bursting of the NASDAQ bubble;
You wouldnt know what a real burst NASDAQ market was if it bit you on your lard arse, fool.
> stockmarkets plunging;
You wouldnt know what a real plunging stockmarket was if it bit you on your lard arse, fool.
> unemployment rising;,
Only by 10%, fool.
> massive underemployment;
Bare faced lie.
> excessive government debt;
You're always welcome to vote for higher taxes, fool.
> and unmanageable personal debt.
You wouldnt know what a real unmanageable personal debt was if it bit you on your lard arse, fool.
> Little doubt exists as to whether we'll get stagflation.
Only for pig ignorant fools like you.
> The question that will soon be asked is: When will the stagflation become an inflationary depression?
Never, thats when. We aint had one of those for almost a century now, fool.
> There are various reasons that the world economy has been globalized
Meaningless waffle.
> and the problems we face are worldwide.
No they aint.
> We cannot understand what we're facing without understanding fiat money
You wouldnt know what a real fiat money was if it bit you on your lard arse, fool.
> and the long-developing dollar bubble.
There is no 'dollar bubble', fool.
> There were several stages. From the inception of the Federal Reserve System in 1913 to 1933,
Which is how a full depression has been avoided for almost a century now, fool.
> the Central Bank established itself as the official dollar manager.
Pig ignorant lie.
> By 1933, Americans could no longer own gold, thus removing
> restraint on the Federal Reserve to inflate for war and welfare.
Pig ignorant lie.
> By 1945, further restraints were removed by creating the Bretton-Woods
> Monetary System making the dollar the reserve currency of the world.
Pig ignorant lie.
> This system lasted up until 1971. During the period between 1945 and
> 1971, some restraints on the Fed remained in place. Foreigners, but
> not Americans, could convert dollars to gold at $35 an ounce. Due to
> the excessive dollars being created, that system came to an end in 1971.
Pig ignorant lie.
> It's the post Bretton-Woods system that was responsible for globalizing
> inflation and markets and for generating a gigantic worldwide dollar bubble.
Pig ignorant lie.
> That bubble is now bursting,
No it aint.
> and we're seeing what it's like to suffer the
> consequences of the many previous economic errors.
Only in your pathetic little drug crazed pig ignorant fantasyland.
> Ironically in these past 35 years, we have benefited from this very flawed system.
Yeah, like no full depression for almost a century now, fool.
> Because the world accepted dollars as if they were gold, we only had
> to counterfeit more dollars, spend them overseas (indirectly encouraging
> our jobs to go overseas as well) and enjoy unearned prosperity.
Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have never ever had a fucking clue.
> Those who took our dollars and gave us goods and services
> were only too anxious to loan those dollars back to us.
Pig ignorant lie.
> This allowed us to export our inflation and delay the consequences we now are starting to see.
Pig ignorant lie.
> But it was never destined to last, and now we have to pay the piper.
Pig ignorant lie.
> Our huge foreign debt must be paid or liquidated.
Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have never ever had a fucking clue.
> Our entitlements are coming due just as the world has become more reluctant to hold dollars.
Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have never ever had a fucking clue.
> The consequence of that decision is price inflation in this countryand that's what we are witnessing today.
Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have never ever had a fucking clue.
> Already price inflation overseas is even higher than here at home as a
> consequence of foreign central bank's willingness to monetize our debt.
Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have never ever had a fucking clue.
> Printing dollars over long periods of time
Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have never ever had a fucking clue.
> may not immediately push prices upyet in time it always does.
> Now we're seeing catch-up for past inflating of the monetary supply.
Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have never ever had a fucking clue.
> As bad as it is today with $4 a gallon gasoline, this is just the beginning.
Yep, there is more demand than supply, fool.
> It's a gross distraction to hound away at "drill, drill, drill as a solution
> to the dollar crisis and high gasoline prices. Its okay to let the market
> increase supplies and drill, but that issue is a gross distraction from
> the sins of deficits and Federal Reserve monetary shenanigans.
Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have never ever had a fucking clue.
> This bubble is different and bigger for another reason.
You wouldnt know what a real bubble was if it bit you on your lard arse, fool.
> The central banks of the world secretly collude to centrally plan the world economy.
Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have never ever had a fucking clue.
> I'm convinced that agreements among central banks to
> "monetize U.S. debt these past 15 years have existed, although
> secretly and out of the reach of any oversight of anyone especially
> the U.S. Congress that doesn't care, or just flat doesn't understand.
Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have never ever had a fucking clue.
> As this "gift to us comes to an end, our problems worsen. The central
> banks and the various governments are very powerful, but eventually
> the markets overwhelm when the people who get stuck holding the
> bag (of bad dollars) catch on and spend the dollars into the economy
> with emotional zeal, thus igniting inflationary fever.
Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have never ever had a fucking clue.
> This time since there are so many dollars and so many countries
> involved the Fed has been able to "paper over every approaching
> crisis for the past 15 years, especially with Alan Greenspan as
> Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, which has allowed the
> bubble to become history's greatest.
Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have never ever had a fucking clue.
> The mistakes made with excessive credit at artificially low
> rates are huge, and the market is demanding a correction.
Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have never ever had a fucking clue.
> This involves excessive debt, misdirected investments, over-investments,
> and all the other problems caused by the government when spending the
> money they should never have had. Foreign militarism, welfare handouts
> and $80 trillion entitlement promises are all coming to an end.
Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland, fool.
> We don't have the money or the wealth-creating capacity to catch up
> and care for all the needs that now exist because we rejected the
> market economy, sound money, self reliance and the principles of liberty.
Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have never ever had a fucking clue.
> It continues to amaze me how people can listen to something like this with just
> a blank stare on their face and then go on doing what they've been doing.
Because even they realise its just another completely mindless steaming turd.
> It's not as if there's anything people can really do about it
You could always set fire to yourself in 'protest' or sumfin and do the world a service.
> (aside from perhaps buying a little gold, just in case Ron Paul isn't
> just some crazy gold bug), but it almost seems as if talk like this is a
> source of cognitive dissonance to about 98 percent of the population
> who, in the end, are unwilling to even consider the possibility."
Because even they realise that you havent got a fucking clue.
> http://www.istockanalyst.com/article/viewarticle+articleid_2387021.html#
> http://www.istockanalyst.com/article/authorcentral+authorid_88.html
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