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* To juice or not. - 10 messages, 6 authors
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* Part of frugal living may be spotting the next mess before it blind sides
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* Some say 'Knowledge is power'... and a way to make a living. - 5 messages, 2
authors
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TOPIC: To juice or not.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/bb065ec0061ab7cd?hl=en
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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 7 2008 1:45 pm
From: "cybercat"
"Pan" <ohco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:adcm949ucu80cmbho6hfc6s58vm8urlu3a@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:51:01 GMT, blake murphy
> <blakepmNOTTHIS@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>>> You go first. Can you name a positive Bush (GW) achievement ?
>>
>>he managed to make richard nixon look pretty good in retrospect.
>>
>>your pal,
>>blake
>
>
> And he is way better then Carter and Clinton.
Yes indeed, you can tell by how much better shape the nation is in than when
Clinton was president. Jesus. What a moron you are.
== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 7 2008 2:07 pm
From: "Gregory Morrow"
cybercat wrote:
>
> "Pan" <ohco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:adcm949ucu80cmbho6hfc6s58vm8urlu3a@4ax.com...
> > On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:51:01 GMT, blake murphy
> > <blakepmNOTTHIS@verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>> You go first. Can you name a positive Bush (GW) achievement ?
> >>
> >>he managed to make richard nixon look pretty good in retrospect.
> >>
> >>your pal,
> >>blake
> >
> >
> > And he is way better then Carter and Clinton.
>
> Yes indeed, you can tell by how much better shape the nation is in than
when
> Clinton was president. Jesus. What a moron you are.
What was this "better shape" that we were in during the Clinton years? Be
*specific*...
--
Best
Greg
== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 7 2008 5:57 pm
From: clams_casino
Gregory Morrow wrote:
>blake murphy wrote:
>
>
>
>>On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 15:09:09 -0500, Gregory Morrow wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>clams_casino wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Pan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 18:38:54 -0400, "cybercat" <cyberpurrs@yahoo.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>You mean, IKYABWAI. Dad.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Now then, I realize you're bitter because you're looking at EIGHT
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>years
>
>
>>>of
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>Democratic administrations, but if we could take EIGHT years of the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>First
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>Chimp, you can take eight years of our guy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And even if you can't, you have to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>*cackle*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>Don't cackle, until after the election, and if your right I will be
>>>>>bitter, and fight thru my state's rep's, to stop what I can.
>>>>>
>>>>>And again the hate Bush statement, "first chimp".
>>>>>Could you name a piece of legislation, that you man has initiated, and
>>>>>passed?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>You go first. Can you name a positive Bush (GW) achievement ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Restoring *dignity* to the office of the Presidency after the *severe*
>>>damage that Clintoon did to the office...???
>>>
>>>
>><derisive snort>
>>
>>you mean english as a second (or third) language george? you gotta be
>>shittin' me.
>>
>>
>
>
>I'm not talkin' about "style" blake...
>
>Georgie Porgie has not "stained" the office of the presidency with personal
>scandal as Bill Clintoon did...no Monica, no "blue dress", no witchity
>Hillary throwin' stuff around the White House at all hours...no YEARS wasted
>parsing adolescent and self - destructive Billy Clintoon's behaviours...
>
>I haven't seen ANY big moves to impeach our current President - have
>you...???
>
>
>
>
You are kidding, right?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_to_impeach_George_W._Bush
"On June 9, 2008, Dennis Kucinich gave official notice of his intention
to introduce 35 articles of impeachment against George W. Bush to the
U.S. House of Representatives. On June 10, 2008, as Congressman Robert
Wexler joined Kucinich as co-sponsor of the resolution. The House voted
251 to 166 to refer the impeachment resolution to the Judiciary
Committee on July 25."
"Proponents of impeaching Bush assert that one or more of his actions
qualify as "high crimes and misdemeanors" under which the president can
constitutionally be impeached."
== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 7 2008 6:09 pm
From: clams_casino
Gregory Morrow wrote:
>cybercat wrote:
>
>
>
>>"Pan" <ohco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:adcm949ucu80cmbho6hfc6s58vm8urlu3a@4ax.com...
>>
>>
>>>On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:51:01 GMT, blake murphy
>>><blakepmNOTTHIS@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>You go first. Can you name a positive Bush (GW) achievement ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>he managed to make richard nixon look pretty good in retrospect.
>>>>
>>>>your pal,
>>>>blake
>>>>
>>>>
>>>And he is way better then Carter and Clinton.
>>>
>>>
>>Yes indeed, you can tell by how much better shape the nation is in than
>>
>>
>when
>
>
>>Clinton was president. Jesus. What a moron you are.
>>
>>
>
>
>What was this "better shape" that we were in during the Clinton years? Be
>*specific*...
>
>
>
>
for a start - "Clinton presided over the longest period of peace-time
economic expansion in American history, which included a balanced budget
and a reported federal surplus (Based on Congressional accounting rules,
at the end of his presidency Clinton reported a surplus of $559 billion)"
"Clinton left office with an approval rating at 65%, the highest end of
office rating of any President since WW II"
"Clinton and Gore were responsible for pressing almost all federal
agencies, the U.S. court system and the U.S. military onto the Internet,
thus opening up America's government to more of America's citizens than
ever before."
What was the question again?
== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 7 2008 6:12 pm
From: Marsha
clams_casino wrote:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_to_impeach_George_W._Bush
>
> "On June 9, 2008, Dennis Kucinich gave official notice of his intention
> to introduce 35 articles of impeachment against George W. Bush to the
> U.S. House of Representatives. On June 10, 2008, as Congressman Robert
> Wexler joined Kucinich as co-sponsor of the resolution. The House voted
> 251 to 166 to refer the impeachment resolution to the Judiciary
> Committee on July 25."
>
> "Proponents of impeaching Bush assert that one or more of his actions
> qualify as "high crimes and misdemeanors" under which the president can
> constitutionally be impeached."
Dennis Kucinich is a sore loser who's tried for the presidential
nomination a billion times. He's seeking attention for his next bid,
nothing more, and he's wasting taxpayer dollars doing it.
Marsha/Ohio
== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 7 2008 6:28 pm
From: max
In article <3omdnY9LN696_AbVnZ2dnUVZ_obinZ2d@earthlink.com>,
"Gregory Morrow" <FlyPrahaJakartaByTU104Jet@flyokayflycsa.cz> wrote:
> cybercat wrote:
>
> >
> > "Pan" <ohco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:adcm949ucu80cmbho6hfc6s58vm8urlu3a@4ax.com...
> > > On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:51:01 GMT, blake murphy
> > > <blakepmNOTTHIS@verizon.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>> You go first. Can you name a positive Bush (GW) achievement ?
> > >>
> > >>he managed to make richard nixon look pretty good in retrospect.
> > >>
> > >>your pal,
> > >>blake
> > >
> > >
> > > And he is way better then Carter and Clinton.
> >
> > Yes indeed, you can tell by how much better shape the nation is in than
> when
> > Clinton was president. Jesus. What a moron you are.
>
>
> What was this "better shape" that we were in during the Clinton years? Be
> *specific*...
There was the BBQ expansion, eg. Honey-1, Calvin's and Fat Willy's and
that good place to eat across from Oprah's Harpo studio (mo 'southern,
not strictly bbq).
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their signatures contact information, and perhaps a joke or quotation.
== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 7 2008 6:44 pm
From: clams_casino
Marsha wrote:
> clams_casino wrote:
>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_to_impeach_George_W._Bush
>>
>> "On June 9, 2008, Dennis Kucinich gave official notice of his
>> intention to introduce 35 articles of impeachment against George W.
>> Bush to the U.S. House of Representatives. On June 10, 2008, as
>> Congressman Robert Wexler joined Kucinich as co-sponsor of the
>> resolution. The House voted 251 to 166 to refer the impeachment
>> resolution to the Judiciary Committee on July 25."
>>
>> "Proponents of impeaching Bush assert that one or more of his actions
>> qualify as "high crimes and misdemeanors" under which the president
>> can constitutionally be impeached."
>
>
> Dennis Kucinich is a sore loser who's tried for the presidential
> nomination a billion times. He's seeking attention for his next bid,
> nothing more, and he's wasting taxpayer dollars doing it.
>
>
Probably true in both cases, but the poster claimed "I haven't seen ANY
big moves to impeach our current President - have you...???"
I consider a 251 to 166 vote to be a big move, don't you?
== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 7 2008 7:13 pm
From: Marsha
clams_casino wrote:
> Marsha wrote:
>> Dennis Kucinich is a sore loser who's tried for the presidential
>> nomination a billion times. He's seeking attention for his next bid,
>> nothing more, and he's wasting taxpayer dollars doing it.
>>
>>
> Probably true in both cases, but the poster claimed "I haven't seen ANY
> big moves to impeach our current President - have you...???"
>
> I consider a 251 to 166 vote to be a big move, don't you?
Big move? No. Grandstanding and worthless? Yes.
Marsha/Ohio
== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 7 2008 7:42 pm
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"
"clams_casino" <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote in message
news:_0Nmk.14259$LF2.5862@newsfe09.iad...
> Gregory Morrow wrote:
>
>>cybercat wrote:
>>
>>
snip (hopefully got it right)
>>
>>
>>What was this "better shape" that we were in during the Clinton years? Be
>>*specific*...
> for a start - "Clinton presided over the longest period of peace-time
> economic expansion in American history, which included a balanced budget
> and a reported federal surplus (Based on Congressional accounting rules,
> at the end of his presidency Clinton reported a surplus of $559 billion)"
well, here we go again. the key phrase here is: "Based on Congressional
accounting rules", which aren't worth a thing by accounting practices.
always trying to hide something or other with those rules, specifically that
THERE WAS NO DAMN BUDGET SURPLUS, ONLY THE PROMISE OF PAYMENTS FOR THE
ANALOG AIRWAVES THAT WERE SOLD. I'M NOT SURE THAT THOSE PAYMENTS HAVE BEEN
MADE EVEN AS WE WRITE.
you cannot have a surplus with money you have yet to collect. any idiot
can figure that out.
and govt still doesn't turn on a dime, although it's able shift faster now
than then.
so, we really don't know that clinton was entirely responsible for the
expansion, nor do we really know that gw is entirely responsible for this
upcoming recession. previous administration policies come into play and it
just can't be cut and dried sorted out.
> "Clinton left office with an approval rating at 65%, the highest end of
> office rating of any President since WW II"
maybe yes, maybe no. all this crap can be manipulated, and is, all the
time.
>
> "Clinton and Gore were responsible for pressing almost all federal
> agencies, the U.S. court system and the U.S. military onto the Internet,
> thus opening up America's government to more of America's citizens than
> ever before."
as most likely would have any other president during that timeframe. no
way we'll ever know if it is something special, just to clinton.
== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 7 2008 7:45 pm
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"
"Marsha" <mas@xeb.net> wrote in message news:g7ga40$s0a$1@news.datemas.de...
> clams_casino wrote:
>> Marsha wrote:
>>> Dennis Kucinich is a sore loser who's tried for the presidential
>>> nomination a billion times. He's seeking attention for his next bid,
>>> nothing more, and he's wasting taxpayer dollars doing it.
>>>
>>>
>> Probably true in both cases, but the poster claimed "I haven't seen ANY
>> big moves to impeach our current President - have you...???"
>>
>> I consider a 251 to 166 vote to be a big move, don't you?
>
> Big move? No. Grandstanding and worthless? Yes.
>
really. if you're gonna impeach, get er done or shut up. should he be
impeached?
possibly.
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 7 2008 2:49 pm
From: The Real Bev
Gordon wrote:
> Hoo Boy! The leeches are everywhere!
Just say no.
--
Cheers, Bev
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Todd Flanders' hobbies include being quiet on long rides,
clapping to songs and diabetes.
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 7 2008 3:13 pm
From: Gordon
terryc <newssixspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote in
news:pan.2008.08.07.12.36.09.395017@woa.com.au:
> On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 06:01:14 +0200, Gordon wrote:
>
>> Back in the early '70's my father had a mortgage, an electric bill
>> a phone bill, a water bill and once a year we filled up the heating
oil
>> tank.
>> Sewer and garbage was paid from taxes.
>>
>> Today, I have a Mortgage, an electric bill, a phone bill,
>> a cell phone bill, an internet access bill, I could have
>> a cable TV bill, A water + sewer bill, a garbage collection
>> bill. Basicly, more services to pay for.
>
> These are essential.
Maybe not CATV.
>>
>> Of course it's not that simple.
>> Cable TV wants you to buy a priemium package,
>> Cell phone wants to tack on IM, chat, and data
>> packages,
>
> Those are not essential
Agree.
>
>> And then there are those web sites like Classmates.com
>> Facebook, Geneology.com, 2nd life, (and for my daughter)
>> Club penguine, Bratz, Petz.com, etc that want to
>> sell priemium membership.
>
> These are money wasters. You must have money to burn.
I'm not paying for any of these. I have better
things to spend my money on.
>
>>
>> Hoo Boy! The leeches are everywhere!
>
> If you watch the cents, the $$$ take care of themselves.
>
>
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 7 2008 3:36 pm
From: Seerialmom
On Aug 5, 9:01 pm, Gordon <go...@alltomyself.com> wrote:
> Back in the early '70's my father had a mortgage, an electric bill
> a phone bill, a water bill and once a year we filled up the heating oil
> tank.
> Sewer and garbage was paid from taxes.
>
> Today, I have a Mortgage, an electric bill, a phone bill,
> a cell phone bill, an internet access bill, I could have
> a cable TV bill, A water + sewer bill, a garbage collection
> bill. Basicly, more services to pay for.
>
> Of course it's not that simple.
> Cable TV wants you to buy a priemium package,
> Cell phone wants to tack on IM, chat, and data
> packages,
> And then there are those web sites like Classmates.com
> Facebook, Geneology.com, 2nd life, (and for my daughter)
> Club penguine, Bratz, Petz.com, etc that want to
> sell priemium membership.
>
> Hoo Boy! The leeches are everywhere!
There were always companies that wanted people to buy from them;
nothing new here.
Some of those listed are actually better deals than they were in the
70's, for example the phone bill.
There was no such thing as "unlimited long distance". Back then you
paid for the phone line and could have unlimited local calling, but
most opted for either measured or even party lines to keep the cost
down (when you compared the cost to what the average wages were).
The only reason you "need" many of the things you mentioned are to
"fit in"; you'd be suprised how simple life can be when you disconnect
yourself from the wired community.
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 7 2008 4:36 pm
From: George Grapman
Seerialmom wrote:
> On Aug 5, 9:01 pm, Gordon <go...@alltomyself.com> wrote:
>> Back in the early '70's my father had a mortgage, an electric bill
>> a phone bill, a water bill and once a year we filled up the heating oil
>> tank.
>> Sewer and garbage was paid from taxes.
>>
>> Today, I have a Mortgage, an electric bill, a phone bill,
>> a cell phone bill, an internet access bill, I could have
>> a cable TV bill, A water + sewer bill, a garbage collection
>> bill. Basicly, more services to pay for.
>>
>> Of course it's not that simple.
>> Cable TV wants you to buy a priemium package,
>> Cell phone wants to tack on IM, chat, and data
>> packages,
>> And then there are those web sites like Classmates.com
>> Facebook, Geneology.com, 2nd life, (and for my daughter)
>> Club penguine, Bratz, Petz.com, etc that want to
>> sell priemium membership.
>>
>> Hoo Boy! The leeches are everywhere!
>
> There were always companies that wanted people to buy from them;
> nothing new here.
> Some of those listed are actually better deals than they were in the
> 70's, for example the phone bill.
> There was no such thing as "unlimited long distance". Back then you
> paid for the phone line and could have unlimited local calling, but
> most opted for either measured or even party lines to keep the cost
> down (when you compared the cost to what the average wages were).
> The only reason you "need" many of the things you mentioned are to
> "fit in"; you'd be suprised how simple life can be when you disconnect
> yourself from the wired community.
Not only was there no unlimited service there was also tiered
pricing. Cheapest calls were 11 p.m. to 8 a.m.. Next was 5-11p.m. and
daytime were the most expensive.
When I moved to CA from the east and my phone rang at 8:02 p.m.t was
usually a caller from there. Likewise I tried to call early in the
morning or on weekends. When was the last time you checked the time
before calling other than to to be sure you were not calling another
person to late/early?
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 7 2008 5:33 pm
From: Seerialmom
On Aug 7, 4:36 pm, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
> Seerialmom wrote:
> > On Aug 5, 9:01 pm, Gordon <go...@alltomyself.com> wrote:
> >> Back in the early '70's my father had a mortgage, an electric bill
> >> a phone bill, a water bill and once a year we filled up the heating oil
> >> tank.
> >> Sewer and garbage was paid from taxes.
>
> >> Today, I have a Mortgage, an electric bill, a phone bill,
> >> a cell phone bill, an internet access bill, I could have
> >> a cable TV bill, A water + sewer bill, a garbage collection
> >> bill. Basicly, more services to pay for.
>
> >> Of course it's not that simple.
> >> Cable TV wants you to buy a priemium package,
> >> Cell phone wants to tack on IM, chat, and data
> >> packages,
> >> And then there are those web sites like Classmates.com
> >> Facebook, Geneology.com, 2nd life, (and for my daughter)
> >> Club penguine, Bratz, Petz.com, etc that want to
> >> sell priemium membership.
>
> >> Hoo Boy! The leeches are everywhere!
>
> > There were always companies that wanted people to buy from them;
> > nothing new here.
> > Some of those listed are actually better deals than they were in the
> > 70's, for example the phone bill.
> > There was no such thing as "unlimited long distance". Back then you
> > paid for the phone line and could have unlimited local calling, but
> > most opted for either measured or even party lines to keep the cost
> > down (when you compared the cost to what the average wages were).
> > The only reason you "need" many of the things you mentioned are to
> > "fit in"; you'd be suprised how simple life can be when you disconnect
> > yourself from the wired community.
>
> Not only was there no unlimited service there was also tiered
> pricing. Cheapest calls were 11 p.m. to 8 a.m.. Next was 5-11p.m. and
> daytime were the most expensive.
> When I moved to CA from the east and my phone rang at 8:02 p.m.t was
> usually a caller from there. Likewise I tried to call early in the
> morning or on weekends. When was the last time you checked the time
> before calling other than to to be sure you were not calling another
> person to late/early?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Not at all these days. But I sure do remember making it a point to
take advantage of those "half price" long distance holidays. And how
many times would you run into "all circuits are busy" when making
those calls? Ah...those were the days!
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 7 2008 3:09 pm
From: phil scott
On Aug 5, 8:15 am, Jonathan Grobe <gr...@netins.net> wrote:
> On 2008-08-03, phil scott <p...@philscott.net> wrote:> Say for instance you owe 400,000 dollars on a house now worth 150,000
> > dollars on the distressed market...and you are late with a mortgage
> > payment as your employer has announced lay offs...and your skill set
> > is retail sales clerk etc.
>
> Frugal people (especially people whose skill set is retail sales
> clerk) don't buy $400,000 plus houses.
many did in this area, including illegal aliens on welfare.
also many in the 'management' aspect of retail sales made a little
more
money, but the skill in a bad economy goes useless even as some
requiring
much more education go useless.
Phil scott
>
> --
> Jonathan Grobe Books
> Browse our inventory of thousands of used books at:http://www.grobebooks.com
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 7 2008 3:33 pm
From: Gordon
jeeppintom@webtv.net (Tommy) wrote in news:18109-489B3C7C-558@storefull-
3113.bay.webtv.net:
> I'm curious to know some of your frugal ideals that you started. That
> is up, and running.
>
> TIA, Tommy.
>
- Owning one car.
- A used car, paid with cash.
- Using Public transportion.
- Walking to destinations up to 1 mile away.
- Sticking to the basics at the Grocery store.
- Shopping the Grocery Outlet and Bread Outlet.
- No Cable TV.
- Make my own Coffee
- Freeware Programs on the computer.
- Watch Priemium TV programing on the computer.
- Don't use VCR anymore to time shift programs,
All the network programs are available on line.
- Reduce the amount of trash going to the curb and
get a smaller garbage tip cart (Garbage fee is
lower for the smaller cart).
- Use cell phone for LD.
- USe M to M for LD since it is free.
- Use passive solar for heat in the winter (just open
the shades and let the sun shine in.
- Share baby clothes with other moms.
- And above all: Just live simply.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 7 2008 4:45 pm
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"
"Tommy" <jeeppintom@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:14870-489B5D85-332@storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net...
> Yea,,,, I see>>> you took the "to juice or not to juice" topic to the
> off topic.
>
> Thanks ;)
>
no, i don't think that was me. maybe, it was so long ago, but i don't think
i changed it.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 7 2008 5:49 pm
From: phil scott
On Aug 7, 11:18 am, jeeppin...@webtv.net (Tommy) wrote:
> I'm curious to know some of your frugal ideals that you started. That
> is up, and running.
>
> TIA, Tommy.
Motor home/ river boat living...very nice... no rent what so ever, and
as
plush as you care to make it...and freedom to travel abroad by simply
paying 100 dollars a month storage while you are away.
no ppty tax, gas expense is reduced by carrying a motorcycle or towing
a fuel efficient car.
doing ones business from the motorhome makes for ultra competitiveness
and expands the range of operations significantly... no commute.
Phil scott
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TOPIC: Some say 'Knowledge is power'... and a way to make a living.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/b8fb9fc6e8757602?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 7 2008 5:54 pm
From: phil scott
On Aug 7, 9:34 am, "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <der...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> "phil scott" <p...@philscott.net> wrote in message
>
> news:8c67cb38-189f-4ed8-a180-d7981877ba2f@r15g2000prh.googlegroups.com...> That prompted the following.
>
> snip
>
> > For example is you are an engineer and become a tradesman you get a
> > fairly good match of insight and capability.. or even better if you
> > can operate as an engineer.
>
> dh is an engineer; what trade do you suggest he learn? :-)
I am a mech engr.. work for us got spotty as hell starting in 99...
one hit a year on a resume that used to get hundreds, and several
offers a year...so I did handyman work and got
an electrical and hvac contractors lic as I promoted my own freelance
engineering.
that has worked out well.
not easy though.
lacking the handyman work then later contracting Id of starved to
death.
the engineering background helps a lot with that type of work.
Phil scott
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 7 2008 6:12 pm
From: phil scott
On Aug 7, 9:34 am, "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <der...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> "phil scott" <p...@philscott.net> wrote in message
>
> news:8c67cb38-189f-4ed8-a180-d7981877ba2f@r15g2000prh.googlegroups.com...> That prompted the following.
>
> snip
>
> > For example is you are an engineer and become a tradesman you get a
> > fairly good match of insight and capability.. or even better if you
> > can operate as an engineer.
>
> dh is an engineer; what trade do you suggest he learn? :-)
its up to him mon.
Trades by hourly rate in order:
Electrical controls, industrial, programmable,,PLC's etc pays $120++
per hour free lance... 50 or 60 dollars for a wage position. You have
to be sharp. (about half my work these days)
Electrical contracting ...industrial pays 75+ per hour.. thats just
wiring and simple motor controls
Home wiring a lot less, can bottom out in the 40 dollar range free
lance.
for mech engrs.
HVAC commcl ind, service pays 95+.. but its hard work.
Residential hvac a lot less 75 or less
handyman work in homes pays about 50 dollars an hour.
thats anything ... fixing sinks, fences, doors and toilets
Those are west coast rates... lower as you go inland, bottom is in
Florida, parts of texas and california not much better... (inland
areas) (rates are less than a third of california's best locations.
(coastal areas, SF, LA, Portland etc)
**
Marketing most efficient by Craigs list and also cold calling
businesses
with a card or sticker... 8 hours of cold calling will produce about
400
dollars of work directly arranged that day, and about 2,000 on average
over
the next month or so.
Cold calling one day a week for a few months will have you flush with
more work than
you and two helpers can do.... those stats will go south some as the
economy tanks.
***
Engineering in this area on a wage pays between 25 dollars and 40
dollars an hour with the 40 dollar jobs getting scarce fast unless you
are established manager.. not too many of those
these days, they max at about 60 dollars an hour average... rare
specialties higher of course.
those are 10-12 hours per day jobs if you count the hour wasted for
lunch and time it takes to
put on the monkey suit properly and drive to work. (with trade work
you bill for the travel time).
Phil scott
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 7 2008 7:27 pm
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"
"phil scott" <phil@philscott.net> wrote in message
news:48cf80db-c3bd-4df8-aeb5-5ef2faad563f@a3g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 7, 9:34 am, "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <der...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> "phil scott" <p...@philscott.net> wrote in message
>
> news:8c67cb38-189f-4ed8-a180-d7981877ba2f@r15g2000prh.googlegroups.com...>
> That prompted the following.
>
> snip
>
> > For example is you are an engineer and become a tradesman you get a
> > fairly good match of insight and capability.. or even better if you
> > can operate as an engineer.
>
> dh is an engineer; what trade do you suggest he learn? :-)
I am a mech engr.. work for us got spotty as hell starting in 99...
one hit a year on a resume that used to get hundreds, and several
offers a year...so I did handyman work and got
an electrical and hvac contractors lic as I promoted my own freelance
engineering.
that has worked out well.
not easy though.
lacking the handyman work then later contracting Id of starved to
death.
the engineering background helps a lot with that type of work.
yeah, dh is really handy with electrical, plumbing, carpentry, older cars
(new fangled things almost always have to be brought to a mechanic these
days), small engines sorta stuff
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 7 2008 7:31 pm
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"
"phil scott" <phil@philscott.net> wrote in message
news:44f1c1be-d9a5-48b0-9ecf-67f72ee4f601@a8g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 7, 9:34 am, "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <der...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> "phil scott" <p...@philscott.net> wrote in message
>
> news:8c67cb38-189f-4ed8-a180-d7981877ba2f@r15g2000prh.googlegroups.com...>
> That prompted the following.
>
> snip
>
> > For example is you are an engineer and become a tradesman you get a
> > fairly good match of insight and capability.. or even better if you
> > can operate as an engineer.
>
> dh is an engineer; what trade do you suggest he learn? :-)
its up to him mon.
Trades by hourly rate in order:
Electrical controls, industrial, programmable,,PLC's etc pays $120++
per hour free lance... 50 or 60 dollars for a wage position. You have
to be sharp. (about half my work these days)
Electrical contracting ...industrial pays 75+ per hour.. thats just
wiring and simple motor controls
Home wiring a lot less, can bottom out in the 40 dollar range free
lance.
he's a broadcast engineer, but was an electronics tech in the navy, so
he's well versed in both computers and electrical.
for mech engrs.
HVAC commcl ind, service pays 95+.. but its hard work.
Residential hvac a lot less 75 or less
oldest son did a/c, but is now self employed with division
8 commercial installations. still does a little a/c on the side
to keep up.
handyman work in homes pays about 50 dollars an hour.
thats anything ... fixing sinks, fences, doors and toilets
that's dh.
Those are west coast rates... lower as you go inland, bottom is in
Florida, parts of texas and california not much better... (inland
areas) (rates are less than a third of california's best locations.
(coastal areas, SF, LA, Portland etc)
pa and sc
**
Marketing most efficient by Craigs list and also cold calling
businesses
with a card or sticker... 8 hours of cold calling will produce about
400
dollars of work directly arranged that day, and about 2,000 on average
over
the next month or so.
Cold calling one day a week for a few months will have you flush with
more work than
you and two helpers can do.... those stats will go south some as the
economy tanks.
***
Engineering in this area on a wage pays between 25 dollars and 40
dollars an hour with the 40 dollar jobs getting scarce fast unless you
are established manager.. not too many of those
these days, they max at about 60 dollars an hour average... rare
specialties higher of course.
those are 10-12 hours per day jobs if you count the hour wasted for
lunch and time it takes to
put on the monkey suit properly and drive to work. (with trade work
you bill for the travel time).
you really are an engineer, aren't you? they tend to be extremely
focused, which is a good thing :)
Phil scott
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 7 2008 7:31 pm
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"
"phil scott" <phil@philscott.net> wrote in message
news:44f1c1be-d9a5-48b0-9ecf-67f72ee4f601@a8g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 7, 9:34 am, "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <der...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
snip
well thanks for all this stuff. i'll hang onto it for when dh is done
playing tv.
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