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TOPIC: Useful site for buying/selling
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 11:41 pm
From: Flora
Hello everyone,
I found an interesting site for buying and selling products; where
sellers are provided a free store and buyers can do a color
search.This site seems very interesting. You may want to check out
this site. http://www.silkfair.com/?psrc=xxxxx
Thanks
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 7 2008 2:54 am
From: clams_casino
Flora wrote:
>Hello everyone,
>
>I found an interesting site for buying and selling
>
>
You are bragging about finding your own site?
What happened? layeredtech.com drop your site for spamming? I see
that abuse@cyberverse.com is now where to complain about your spam.
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 7 2008 2:45 am
From: clams_casino
Coffee's For Closers wrote:
>
>The water/sewer and rubbish costs being billed separately doesn't
>mean, in and of itself, that you are paying more (although with
>inflation you are.)
>
>
>
Replacing taxes as fees is an old trick. It's a gimmick used by some
towns to hide real tax levels.
For about half the population, it probably doesn't matter much. For
those who deduct taxes via long form, however, it's a costly practice.
When I lived the "low tax" state of TN, it seemed like every service
was a fee, from trash pick up to library membership. We even had a
water fee (double the water bill) because we lived in the county (where
taxes were "lower" than the adjacent city).
== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 7 2008 5:36 am
From: terryc
On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 06:01:14 +0200, Gordon wrote:
> Back in the early '70's my father had a mortgage, an electric bill
> a phone bill, a water bill and once a year we filled up the heating oil
> tank.
> Sewer and garbage was paid from taxes.
>
> Today, I have a Mortgage, an electric bill, a phone bill,
> a cell phone bill, an internet access bill, I could have
> a cable TV bill, A water + sewer bill, a garbage collection
> bill. Basicly, more services to pay for.
These are essential.
>
> Of course it's not that simple.
> Cable TV wants you to buy a priemium package,
> Cell phone wants to tack on IM, chat, and data
> packages,
Those are not essential
> And then there are those web sites like Classmates.com
> Facebook, Geneology.com, 2nd life, (and for my daughter)
> Club penguine, Bratz, Petz.com, etc that want to
> sell priemium membership.
These are money wasters. You must have money to burn.
>
> Hoo Boy! The leeches are everywhere!
If you watch the cents, the $$$ take care of themselves.
== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 7 2008 8:41 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"
"clams_casino" <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote in message
news:ovzmk.7132$3l5.6539@newsfe06.iad...
> Coffee's For Closers wrote:
>
>>
>>The water/sewer and rubbish costs being billed separately doesn't mean, in
>>and of itself, that you are paying more (although with inflation you are.)
>
> Replacing taxes as fees is an old trick. It's a gimmick used by some towns
> to hide real tax levels.
we used to pay our garbage separately, but because people weren't paying,
it was bundled in with our taxes.
>
> For about half the population, it probably doesn't matter much. For those
> who deduct taxes via long form, however, it's a costly practice.
you're allowed to deduct your taxes, but you have to take out the part
that is paid for things like water, sewer, and trash removal. our tax
bill lists them out separately. you're NOT allowed to deduct any part of
your tax bill that is for those types of items. it's in the irs code; read
it myself.
> When I lived the "low tax" state of TN, it seemed like every service was
> a fee, from trash pick up to library membership. We even had a water fee
> (double the water bill) because we lived in the county (where taxes were
> "lower" than the adjacent city).
we have library taxes, but it's not a membership. it's just the part of
your
taxes that go to support the library. there's also the part that goes for
fire protection and schools. i think some places also have ambulance.
== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 7 2008 12:06 pm
From: clams_casino
AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
>"clams_casino" <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote in message
>news:ovzmk.7132$3l5.6539@newsfe06.iad...
>
>
>>Coffee's For Closers wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>The water/sewer and rubbish costs being billed separately doesn't mean, in
>>>and of itself, that you are paying more (although with inflation you are.)
>>>
>>>
>>Replacing taxes as fees is an old trick. It's a gimmick used by some towns
>>to hide real tax levels.
>>
>>
>
>we used to pay our garbage separately, but because people weren't paying,
>it was bundled in with our taxes.
>
>
>>For about half the population, it probably doesn't matter much. For those
>>who deduct taxes via long form, however, it's a costly practice.
>>
>>
>
>you're allowed to deduct your taxes, but you have to take out the part
>that is paid for things like water, sewer, and trash removal. our tax
>bill lists them out separately. you're NOT allowed to deduct any part of
>your tax bill that is for those types of items. it's in the irs code; read
>it myself.
>
>
>
If they break it out as a fee, it's not deductible. We have no charge
trash pickup, free library usage, etc that's part of our taxes - not
broken out as a fee.
It depends where you live. In some areas, taxes cover a lot of
services. In other places, they report (artificially) lower taxes by
charging services as fees.
== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 7 2008 12:25 pm
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"
"clams_casino" <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote in message
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> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
>
>>"clams_casino" <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote in message
>>news:ovzmk.7132$3l5.6539@newsfe06.iad...
>>
>>>Coffee's For Closers wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>The water/sewer and rubbish costs being billed separately doesn't mean,
>>>>in and of itself, that you are paying more (although with inflation you
>>>>are.)
>>>>
>>>Replacing taxes as fees is an old trick. It's a gimmick used by some
>>>towns to hide real tax levels.
>>>
>>
>>we used to pay our garbage separately, but because people weren't paying,
>>it was bundled in with our taxes.
>>
>>>For about half the population, it probably doesn't matter much. For
>>>those who deduct taxes via long form, however, it's a costly practice.
>>>
>>
>>you're allowed to deduct your taxes, but you have to take out the part
>>that is paid for things like water, sewer, and trash removal. our tax
>>bill lists them out separately. you're NOT allowed to deduct any part of
>>your tax bill that is for those types of items. it's in the irs code;
>>read it myself.
>>
>>
>
> If they break it out as a fee, it's not deductible. We have no charge
> trash pickup, free library usage, etc that's part of our taxes - not
> broken out as a fee.
better check with the irs on that. i'm 99.99% positive that you have to
estimate the costs even if it's not broken out. i seem to remember not
knowing that and deducting everything the first yr we lived here (it
being the first house we owned that had the sewer in the tax bill), and then
finding out that i should have estimated the amt of taxes that were going
for the sewer charges (we pay water, and at that time, garbage, separately)
and not deduct that amt. the difference in taxes would have been that i'da
owed maybe 10.00 more, so i didn't see the point in bring all that to the
irs's attention and let it slide that first yr.
and that's what i did until the boro started pulling it out separately. at
which time i found out my estimates were a little low as i was using what i
had been paying at the house we had lived in before we moved, but it was off
by less than 5.00/mon. the charges for fire, ambulance, school, library,
etc are deductible, because everyone pretty much pays taxes for those
things.
it's been a few yrs, and my brain isn't what it used to be. but do call the
irs to find out for sure.
== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 7 2008 12:58 pm
From: clams_casino
AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
>better check with the irs on that. i'm 99.99% positive that you have to
>estimate the costs even if it's not broken out. i seem to remember not
>knowing that and deducting everything the first yr we lived here (it
>being the first house we owned that had the sewer in the tax bill), and then
>finding out that i should have estimated the amt of taxes that were going
>for the sewer charges (we pay water, and at that time, garbage, separately)
>and not deduct that amt. the difference in taxes would have been that i'da
>owed maybe 10.00 more, so i didn't see the point in bring all that to the
>irs's attention and let it slide that first yr.
>
>and that's what i did until the boro started pulling it out separately. at
>which time i found out my estimates were a little low as i was using what i
>had been paying at the house we had lived in before we moved, but it was off
>by less than 5.00/mon. the charges for fire, ambulance, school, library,
>etc are deductible, because everyone pretty much pays taxes for those
>things.
>
>it's been a few yrs, and my brain isn't what it used to be. but do call the
>irs to find out for sure.
>
>
Quote from Publication 17
"An itemized charge for services assessed against specific property or
certain people is not a tax, even if the charge is paid to the taxing
authority. For example, you cannot deduct the charge as a real estate
tax if it is:
*
A unit fee for the delivery of a service (such as a $5 fee charged
for every 1,000 gallons of water you use),
*
A periodic charge for a residential service (such as a $20 per
month or $240 annual fee charged to each homeowner for trash
collection), or
*
A flat fee charged for a single service provided by your
government (such as a $30 charge for mowing your lawn because it
was allowed to grow higher than permitted under your local
ordinance)."
>
>
>
"You must look at your real estate tax bill to determine if any
nondeductible itemized charges, such as those listed above, are included
in the bill. Exception. Service charges used to maintain or improve
services (such as trash collection or police and fire protection) are
deductible as real estate taxes if:
*
The fees or charges are imposed at a like rate against all
property in the taxing jurisdiction,
*
The funds collected are not earmarked; instead, they are
commingled with general revenue funds, and
*
Funds used to maintain or improve services are not limited to or
determined by the amount of these fees or charges collected."
*
== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 7 2008 1:38 pm
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"
"clams_casino" <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote in message
news:otImk.13278$KZ.3769@newsfe03.iad...
snip
> Quote from Publication 17
>
>
> "An itemized charge for services assessed against specific property or
> certain people is not a tax, even if the charge is paid to the taxing
> authority. For example, you cannot deduct the charge as a real estate tax
> if it is:
>
> A unit fee for the delivery of a service (such as a $5 fee charged
> for every 1,000 gallons of water you use),
>
> A periodic charge for a residential service (such as a $20 per
> month or $240 annual fee charged to each homeowner for trash
> collection), or
>
> *
that would include a $360 annual fee for sewer and/or water and a $600 annal
fee for trash pu pd to a private company.
> "You must look at your real estate tax bill to determine if any
> nondeductible itemized charges, such as those listed above, are included
> in the bill. Exception. Service charges used to maintain or improve
> services (such as trash collection or police and fire protection) are
> deductible as real estate taxes if:
> The fees or charges are imposed at a like rate against all
> property in the taxing jurisdiction,
>
> The funds collected are not earmarked; instead, they are
> commingled with general revenue funds, and
i have no idea if my boro does this. they have to pay the private trash
company to pu trash. it's not provided by the boro. i don't know about
the
sewer and who supplies that. i know water is provided by a private utility
that state regulated and we pay that ourselves.
>
> Funds used to maintain or improve services are not limited to or
> determined by the amount of these fees or charges collected."
the trash fees collected maintain and improve nothing having to do with the
boro. all goes to the private trash company. maybe the boro gets to skim
a little to ensure that all residents pay the trash company; you pay even if
no one is living in the house.
sounds like you'd need a cpa to figure this thing out.
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Date: Thurs, Aug 7 2008 5:38 am
From: terryc
On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 08:58:53 -0700, A Veteran wrote:
> I tried both. seems Freecycle flooded my e-mail box with so many items,
Er, get a better mailer. One that allows you to presort incoming mail
into different folders. Pan, thunderbird, etc
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 7 2008 6:34 am
From: Al Bundy
PaPaPeng wrote:
> On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 06:41:44 -0400, Shawn Hirn <srhi@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <pboi94dqevjj0fmg5cmpb3qp53k6bj2nk3@4ax.com>,
> > PaPaPeng <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Boycott Payback. Those 2 Britons and 2 Americans who unfurled a
> >> "Tibet is Free" bannewr should be fined and deported from Beijing
> >> immediately. Banned from visiting China for life too.
> >
> >Wrong newsgroup.
>
> Yep. I was wondering where this post went.
No problem. We're willing to cut you a break. We know you've been
cramming for your finals for a few years now.
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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 7 2008 8:51 am
From: blake murphy
On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 12:09:39 -0400, clams_casino wrote:
> Pan wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 18:38:54 -0400, "cybercat" <cyberpurrs@yahoo.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>You mean, IKYABWAI. Dad.
>>>
>>>Now then, I realize you're bitter because you're looking at EIGHT years of
>>>Democratic administrations, but if we could take EIGHT years of the First
>>>Chimp, you can take eight years of our guy.
>>>
>>>And even if you can't, you have to.
>>>
>>>*cackle*
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Don't cackle, until after the election, and if your right I will be
>>bitter, and fight thru my state's rep's, to stop what I can.
>>
>>And again the hate Bush statement, "first chimp".
>>Could you name a piece of legislation, that you man has initiated, and
>>passed?
>>
>>
>
> You go first. Can you name a positive Bush (GW) achievement ?
he managed to make richard nixon look pretty good in retrospect.
your pal,
blake
== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 7 2008 8:53 am
From: blake murphy
On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 15:09:09 -0500, Gregory Morrow wrote:
> clams_casino wrote:
>
>> Pan wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 18:38:54 -0400, "cybercat" <cyberpurrs@yahoo.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>You mean, IKYABWAI. Dad.
>>>>
>>>>Now then, I realize you're bitter because you're looking at EIGHT years
> of
>>>>Democratic administrations, but if we could take EIGHT years of the
> First
>>>>Chimp, you can take eight years of our guy.
>>>>
>>>>And even if you can't, you have to.
>>>>
>>>>*cackle*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Don't cackle, until after the election, and if your right I will be
>>>bitter, and fight thru my state's rep's, to stop what I can.
>>>
>>>And again the hate Bush statement, "first chimp".
>>>Could you name a piece of legislation, that you man has initiated, and
>>>passed?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> You go first. Can you name a positive Bush (GW) achievement ?
>
>
> Restoring *dignity* to the office of the Presidency after the *severe*
> damage that Clintoon did to the office...???
<derisive snort>
you mean english as a second (or third) language george? you gotta be
shittin' me.
blake
== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 7 2008 10:31 am
From: Pan
On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 12:09:39 -0400, clams_casino
<PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>>Could you name a piece of legislation, that you man has initiated, and
>>passed?
>>
>>
>
>You go first. Can you name a positive Bush (GW) achievement ?
No further attacks on the U.S.A. since 9/11
== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 7 2008 10:33 am
From: Pan
On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:51:01 GMT, blake murphy
<blakepmNOTTHIS@verizon.net> wrote:
>> You go first. Can you name a positive Bush (GW) achievement ?
>
>he managed to make richard nixon look pretty good in retrospect.
>
>your pal,
>blake
And he is way better then Carter and Clinton.
== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 7 2008 10:36 am
From: Pan
On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:04:36 GMT, blake murphy
<blakepmNOTTHIS@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>but mccain is a foreign-policy ace because he speaks fluent gibberish!
>well, sometimes it's fluent.
>
>your pal,
>barry
And yet McCain is rated much higher on foreign policy, that Obama
== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 7 2008 11:57 am
From: clams_casino
Pan wrote:
>On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 12:09:39 -0400, clams_casino
><PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>>>Could you name a piece of legislation, that you man has initiated, and
>>>passed?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>You go first. Can you name a positive Bush (GW) achievement ?
>>
>>
>
>No further attacks on the U.S.A. since 9/11
>
>
No elephants in my backyard, the moon still shows up occasionally and
McDonalds still sells a $1 double cheeseburger.
GW's a miracle man.
== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 7 2008 12:01 pm
From: clams_casino
Pan wrote:
>On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:04:36 GMT, blake murphy
><blakepmNOTTHIS@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>>but mccain is a foreign-policy ace because he speaks fluent gibberish!
>>well, sometimes it's fluent.
>>
>>your pal,
>>barry
>>
>>
>
>And yet McCain is rated much higher on foreign policy, that Obama
>
>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NC0Y7zMcn_4
and
McCain asserted that "I can tell you that it is succeeding. I can look
you in the eye and tell you it's succeeding. We have drawn down to
pre-surge levels. Basra, Mosul and now Sadr City are quiet and it's long
and it's hard and it's tough and there will be setbacks."
In fact, as the Obama campaign was quick to point out, the troop level
in Iraq is at about 155,000 right now, well above the 130,000 that would
mark a return to pre-surge levels.
Perhaps he's just a bit forgetful - it does happen when one ages.
== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 7 2008 1:48 pm
From: "Gregory Morrow"
blake murphy wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 15:09:09 -0500, Gregory Morrow wrote:
>
> > clams_casino wrote:
> >
> >> Pan wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 18:38:54 -0400, "cybercat" <cyberpurrs@yahoo.com>
> >>>wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>You mean, IKYABWAI. Dad.
> >>>>
> >>>>Now then, I realize you're bitter because you're looking at EIGHT
years
> > of
> >>>>Democratic administrations, but if we could take EIGHT years of the
> > First
> >>>>Chimp, you can take eight years of our guy.
> >>>>
> >>>>And even if you can't, you have to.
> >>>>
> >>>>*cackle*
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>Don't cackle, until after the election, and if your right I will be
> >>>bitter, and fight thru my state's rep's, to stop what I can.
> >>>
> >>>And again the hate Bush statement, "first chimp".
> >>>Could you name a piece of legislation, that you man has initiated, and
> >>>passed?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> You go first. Can you name a positive Bush (GW) achievement ?
> >
> >
> > Restoring *dignity* to the office of the Presidency after the *severe*
> > damage that Clintoon did to the office...???
>
> <derisive snort>
>
> you mean english as a second (or third) language george? you gotta be
> shittin' me.
I'm not talkin' about "style" blake...
Georgie Porgie has not "stained" the office of the presidency with personal
scandal as Bill Clintoon did...no Monica, no "blue dress", no witchity
Hillary throwin' stuff around the White House at all hours...no YEARS wasted
parsing adolescent and self - destructive Billy Clintoon's behaviours...
I haven't seen ANY big moves to impeach our current President - have
you...???
--
Best
Greg
== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 7 2008 1:44 pm
From: "cybercat"
"Pan" <ohco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:04:36 GMT, blake murphy
> <blakepmNOTTHIS@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>but mccain is a foreign-policy ace because he speaks fluent gibberish!
>>well, sometimes it's fluent.
>>
>>your pal,
>>barry
>
> And yet McCain is rated much higher on foreign policy, that Obama
It's the knight in Monty Python's "Holy Grail" who has lost the contest and
had his arms and legs reduced to stumps, thumping around saying, "Come on,
come on, I'm not finished yet, come over here and I'll bite your kneecaps
off."
lol
I'll be happy to discuss this with all of you charming motherfuckers after
the election.
HA HA HA!
== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 7 2008 1:45 pm
From: "cybercat"
"Pan" <ohco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:51:01 GMT, blake murphy
> <blakepmNOTTHIS@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>>> You go first. Can you name a positive Bush (GW) achievement ?
>>
>>he managed to make richard nixon look pretty good in retrospect.
>>
>>your pal,
>>blake
>
>
> And he is way better then Carter and Clinton.
Yes indeed, you can tell by how much better shape the nation is in than when
Clinton was president. Jesus. What a moron you are.
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 7 2008 9:17 am
From: phil scott
That prompted the following.
Knowledge is indeed power, thats what I have sought..(and
capability)..and its been what power I have, and it has withstood many
challenges... it comes through.
The culture broadly however, especially lately forfeits knowledge for
a job, or investment, cash or whatever... and that too is power, but
of an entirely different sort. One can be deprived of it.
Cash, assets or position is a weak sort of power, and when knowledge
or integrity or insight is forfeited for it ....the result is a net
weakness... when the money or position goes the person has no-thing,
and the self is in a diminished circumstance due to no understanding,
or worse having swallowed deception... the person has no contribution
to make the larger whole... or worse his contribution is negative,
various forms of insanity etc.
Real power is insight, understanding, and when capability are added to
that mix, it is true viability.... and it lends viability to others..
and that expands.
**
Errors can be made in the viability aspect by failure to match ones
insight with his capability.
For example is you are an engineer and become a tradesman you get a
fairly good match of insight and capability.. or even better if you
can operate as an engineer.
If you move to pet grooming you loose the benefit.. the power is
lost.. you will be competing against powerless people with no insight
or capability in a starvation sort of market.
**
It seems then that understanding is a prerequisite to a good life, and
all else of actual validity follows that.... this is true it seems
even if riches are sacrificed in the process.
Phil scott
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 7 2008 9:34 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"
"phil scott" <phil@philscott.net> wrote in message
news:8c67cb38-189f-4ed8-a180-d7981877ba2f@r15g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> That prompted the following.
snip
> For example is you are an engineer and become a tradesman you get a
> fairly good match of insight and capability.. or even better if you
> can operate as an engineer.
dh is an engineer; what trade do you suggest he learn? :-)
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TOPIC: Frugal ideas
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 7 2008 11:18 am
From: jeeppintom@webtv.net (Tommy)
I'm curious to know some of your frugal ideals that you started. That
is up, and running.
TIA, Tommy.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 7 2008 12:29 pm
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"
"Tommy" <jeeppintom@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:18109-489B3C7C-558@storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net...
> I'm curious to know some of your frugal ideals that you started. That
> is up, and running.
>
> TIA, Tommy.
well, tommy, contrary to the title of this newgroup, you've come to the
wrong place. only off topic discussions are allowed here. just take a
look around. :-)
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== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 7 2008 1:39 pm
From: jeeppintom@webtv.net (Tommy)
Yea,,,, I see>>> you took the "to juice or not to juice" topic to the
off topic.
Thanks ;)
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