Wednesday, August 6, 2008

25 new messages in 7 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

* To juice or not. - 10 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/bb065ec0061ab7cd?hl=en
* does anybody here know anything abou freecycle - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/af17f8e5c05bfdd7?hl=en
* Buying clothes off eBay? - 6 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/38862886a3ad24cf?hl=en
* Visa Withdrawn - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/bb5d13e1ee6e8777?hl=en
* The leeches are reaching for more - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/c1f04e2aa1094da5?hl=en
* FS: Robert Kline Mermaid, Sea Babies, Pirate & Sea Masters Art - 2 messages,
2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/9981dd101c36c6e9?hl=en
* Useful site for buying/selling - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/e49ce57b5a2ef854?hl=en

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TOPIC: To juice or not.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/bb065ec0061ab7cd?hl=en
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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 9:02 am
From: blake murphy


On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 16:58:46 -0400, cybercat wrote:

> "Pan" <ohco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:nh8h945nrii57sm2uis3n5dni90le8n27u@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 17:24:41 GMT, blake murphy
>> <blakepmNOTTHIS@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> The market recovered even after great depression.
>>>>
>>>
>>>yep, all we gotta do is wait ten years and start a world war. oh, wait,
>>>bush has already started on the latter.
>>>
>>>prosperity is just around the corner!
>>>
>>>your pal,
>>>blake
>>
>> Is that your entire repertoire, Bush hate?
>>
>> And Roosevelt's actions are now considered to have lengthen the
>> recovery.
>
> There's the "H" word again! Remember, Blake, if you don't like W you HATE
> AMERICA.
>
> What's a little unnecessary economic depression? A few million lives ruined,
> some suicides, come on Man, it's the American Way!

survival of the bat-shittest.

your pal,
blake

== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 9:04 am
From: blake murphy


On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 17:41:03 -0400, T wrote:

> In article <g7aeu4$6mc$1@registered.motzarella.org>,
> cyberpurrs@yahoo.com says...
>>
>> "Pan" <ohco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:nh8h945nrii57sm2uis3n5dni90le8n27u@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 17:24:41 GMT, blake murphy
>>> <blakepmNOTTHIS@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> The market recovered even after great depression.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>yep, all we gotta do is wait ten years and start a world war. oh, wait,
>>>>bush has already started on the latter.
>>>>
>>>>prosperity is just around the corner!
>>>>
>>>>your pal,
>>>>blake
>>>
>>> Is that your entire repertoire, Bush hate?
>>>
>>> And Roosevelt's actions are now considered to have lengthen the
>>> recovery.
>>
>> There's the "H" word again! Remember, Blake, if you don't like W you HATE
>> AMERICA.
>>
>> What's a little unnecessary economic depression? A few million lives ruined,
>> some suicides, come on Man, it's the American Way!
>
> I love the United States of America and hate what the Shrub is doing to
> it. I also don't want to see McCain as president.
>
> I've seen McCain take un-vetted questions and he strikes me as an
> Alzheimers sufferer. His short term memory is definitely showing a
> deficit.
>
> Do we really want someone like that with their finger on the button?

but mccain is a foreign-policy ace because he speaks fluent gibberish!
well, sometimes it's fluent.

your pal,
barry

== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 9:07 am
From: blake murphy


On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 16:42:42 -0500, Gregory Morrow wrote:

> cybercat wrote:
>
>> "Pan" <ohco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:nh8h945nrii57sm2uis3n5dni90le8n27u@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 17:24:41 GMT, blake murphy
>>> <blakepmNOTTHIS@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> The market recovered even after great depression.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>yep, all we gotta do is wait ten years and start a world war. oh, wait,
>>>>bush has already started on the latter.
>>>>
>>>>prosperity is just around the corner!
>>>>
>>>>your pal,
>>>>blake
>>>
>>> Is that your entire repertoire, Bush hate?
>>>
>>> And Roosevelt's actions are now considered to have lengthen the
>>> recovery.
>>
>> There's the "H" word again! Remember, Blake, if you don't like W you HATE
>> AMERICA.
>
>
> Yup...you LIEberals HATE America and everything it stands for,
> cyberpussie...
>
>
>> What's a little unnecessary economic depression? A few million lives
> ruined,
>> some suicides, come on Man, it's the American Way!
>
>
> The more miserable things are, the *happier* you are..."bad news" gives you
> something to "cheer" about...natcherly that's the leftist way.
>
> I bet you and blake laff yer asses off when one of our troops gets killed in
> Iraq or Afghanistan...
>
> Did you and blake snicker about "evil" and "imperialist" America when 9/11
> happened, reasoning that we "deserved" it? I bet so...
>
> Or instead of referring to you as "cybercat and blake" maybe we could refer
> to your comedy act as "Fred and Ethel 'Rosenberg' ", hmmm...???
>
> And FYI there is no "depression"...in fact there's not even a
> *recession*...most folks are doing just fine...doesn't that just PISS you
> off, cyberschadenfreude...???

yeah, bush is great. it's the constitution that sux.

blake

== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 9:09 am
From: clams_casino


Pan wrote:

>On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 18:38:54 -0400, "cybercat" <cyberpurrs@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>>You mean, IKYABWAI. Dad.
>>
>>Now then, I realize you're bitter because you're looking at EIGHT years of
>>Democratic administrations, but if we could take EIGHT years of the First
>>Chimp, you can take eight years of our guy.
>>
>>And even if you can't, you have to.
>>
>>*cackle*
>>
>>
>
>Don't cackle, until after the election, and if your right I will be
>bitter, and fight thru my state's rep's, to stop what I can.
>
>And again the hate Bush statement, "first chimp".
>Could you name a piece of legislation, that you man has initiated, and
>passed?
>
>

You go first. Can you name a positive Bush (GW) achievement ?

== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 9:10 am
From: blake murphy


On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 05:47:44 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

> blake murphy <blakepmNOTTHIS@verizon.net> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> T <nospam.kd1s@cox.nospam.net> wrote
>>>> ohco@hotmail.com wrote
>>>>> clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote
>
>>>>>>> You mean that You did better under the higher taxes?
>
>>>>>> Unless you are in the top 1% (<$250k/ yr), it's highly
>>>>>> unlikely you are better off today vs. 10 years ago.
>
>>>>> I'm hardly in the top 1% and yes I am better off.
>>>>> My stocks made money up until this year. And the market will recover.
>
>>>> Wow, you're pretty optimistic.
>
>>> Nope, completely realistic. The market recovered even after great depression.
>
>> yep, all we gotta do is wait ten years and start a world war.
>
> The US didnt start a world war, and the market recovered
> in a lot less than 10 years too, you stupid pig ignorant child.
>
>> oh, wait, bush has already started on the latter.
>
> Pity the market hadnt tanked when he did, child.
>
>> prosperity is just around the corner!
>
> You wouldnt know what real prosperity was if it bit you on your lard arse, child.

whatever you say, gayporn screenname.

blake

== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 10:35 am
From: "cybercat"

"blake murphy" <blakepmNOTTHIS@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:neirp2x5lck9.1hb7jopalg3rs$.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 16:42:42 -0500, Gregory Morrow wrote:
>
>> cybercat wrote:
>>
>>> "Pan" <ohco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:nh8h945nrii57sm2uis3n5dni90le8n27u@4ax.com...
>>>> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 17:24:41 GMT, blake murphy
>>>> <blakepmNOTTHIS@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> The market recovered even after great depression.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>yep, all we gotta do is wait ten years and start a world war. oh,
>>>>>wait,
>>>>>bush has already started on the latter.
>>>>>
>>>>>prosperity is just around the corner!
>>>>>
>>>>>your pal,
>>>>>blake
>>>>
>>>> Is that your entire repertoire, Bush hate?
>>>>
>>>> And Roosevelt's actions are now considered to have lengthen the
>>>> recovery.
>>>
>>> There's the "H" word again! Remember, Blake, if you don't like W you
>>> HATE
>>> AMERICA.
>>
>>
>> Yup...you LIEberals HATE America and everything it stands for,
>> cyberpussie...
>>
>>
>>> What's a little unnecessary economic depression? A few million lives
>> ruined,
>>> some suicides, come on Man, it's the American Way!
>>
>>
>> The more miserable things are, the *happier* you are..."bad news" gives
>> you
>> something to "cheer" about...natcherly that's the leftist way.
>>
>> I bet you and blake laff yer asses off when one of our troops gets killed
>> in
>> Iraq or Afghanistan...
>>
>> Did you and blake snicker about "evil" and "imperialist" America when
>> 9/11
>> happened, reasoning that we "deserved" it? I bet so...
>>
>> Or instead of referring to you as "cybercat and blake" maybe we could
>> refer
>> to your comedy act as "Fred and Ethel 'Rosenberg' ", hmmm...???
>>
>> And FYI there is no "depression"...in fact there's not even a
>> *recession*...most folks are doing just fine...doesn't that just PISS you
>> off, cyberschadenfreude...???
>
> yeah, bush is great. it's the constitution that sux.
>


oo you said "sux"


== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 12:48 pm
From: "Gregory Morrow"

cybercat wrote:

> "blake murphy" <blakepmNOTTHIS@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:neirp2x5lck9.1hb7jopalg3rs$.dlg@40tude.net...
> > On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 16:42:42 -0500, Gregory Morrow wrote:
> >
> >> cybercat wrote:
> >>
> >>> "Pan" <ohco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:nh8h945nrii57sm2uis3n5dni90le8n27u@4ax.com...
> >>>> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 17:24:41 GMT, blake murphy
> >>>> <blakepmNOTTHIS@verizon.net> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> The market recovered even after great depression.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>yep, all we gotta do is wait ten years and start a world war. oh,
> >>>>>wait,
> >>>>>bush has already started on the latter.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>prosperity is just around the corner!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>your pal,
> >>>>>blake
> >>>>
> >>>> Is that your entire repertoire, Bush hate?
> >>>>
> >>>> And Roosevelt's actions are now considered to have lengthen the
> >>>> recovery.
> >>>
> >>> There's the "H" word again! Remember, Blake, if you don't like W you
> >>> HATE
> >>> AMERICA.
> >>
> >>
> >> Yup...you LIEberals HATE America and everything it stands for,
> >> cyberpussie...
> >>
> >>
> >>> What's a little unnecessary economic depression? A few million lives
> >> ruined,
> >>> some suicides, come on Man, it's the American Way!
> >>
> >>
> >> The more miserable things are, the *happier* you are..."bad news" gives
> >> you
> >> something to "cheer" about...natcherly that's the leftist way.
> >>
> >> I bet you and blake laff yer asses off when one of our troops gets
killed
> >> in
> >> Iraq or Afghanistan...
> >>
> >> Did you and blake snicker about "evil" and "imperialist" America when
> >> 9/11
> >> happened, reasoning that we "deserved" it? I bet so...
> >>
> >> Or instead of referring to you as "cybercat and blake" maybe we could
> >> refer
> >> to your comedy act as "Fred and Ethel 'Rosenberg' ", hmmm...???
> >>
> >> And FYI there is no "depression"...in fact there's not even a
> >> *recession*...most folks are doing just fine...doesn't that just PISS
you
> >> off, cyberschadenfreude...???
> >
> > yeah, bush is great. it's the constitution that sux.
> >
>
>
> oo you said "sux"


Hey cybercat, is it *true* that your nickname is "Crazy Pants"...???

;-D


--
Best
Greg

" I find Greg Morrow lowbrow, witless, and obnoxious. For him to claim that
we are some
kind of comedy team turns my stomach."
- "cybercat" to me on rec.food.cooking


== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 1:09 pm
From: "Gregory Morrow"

clams_casino wrote:

> Pan wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 18:38:54 -0400, "cybercat" <cyberpurrs@yahoo.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>You mean, IKYABWAI. Dad.
> >>
> >>Now then, I realize you're bitter because you're looking at EIGHT years
of
> >>Democratic administrations, but if we could take EIGHT years of the
First
> >>Chimp, you can take eight years of our guy.
> >>
> >>And even if you can't, you have to.
> >>
> >>*cackle*
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Don't cackle, until after the election, and if your right I will be
> >bitter, and fight thru my state's rep's, to stop what I can.
> >
> >And again the hate Bush statement, "first chimp".
> >Could you name a piece of legislation, that you man has initiated, and
> >passed?
> >
> >
>
> You go first. Can you name a positive Bush (GW) achievement ?


Restoring *dignity* to the office of the Presidency after the *severe*
damage that Clintoon did to the office...???


--
Best
Greg


== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 2:15 pm
From: clams_casino


Gregory Morrow wrote:

>>>
>>>
>>You go first. Can you name a positive Bush (GW) achievement ?
>>
>>
>
>
>Restoring *dignity* to the office of the Presidency after the *severe*
>damage that Clintoon did to the office...???
>
>
>
>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67EKrji0h9A

== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 3:21 pm
From: "Rod Speed"


clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
> William Souden wrote:
>
>> Rod Speed wrote:
>>
>>> Marsha <mas@xeb.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> clams_casino wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> nearly 1% of homes are currently in foreclosure - over 6% of
>>>>> mortgages are in default.
>>>>>
>>>> How many of these were by morons who were trying to keep up with
>>>> the Joneses'? Doesn't anyone take responsibility anymore? And
>>>> don't blame mortgage lenders. Democrats, including Obama in his
>>>> previous roles, had a lot to do with forcing banks to give
>>>> mortgages to people who really shouldn't have had them. Responsible people who took out loans and are paying them
>>>> back
>>>> faithfully are really the ones getting screwed,
>>>
>>>
>>> Nope, not when interest rates are essentially set by the fed.
>>>
>>>> along with taxpayers having to bail out those whose money IQ is
>>>> somewhere between 1 and 50.
>>>
>>>
>>> No one is bailing them out.
>>>
>> How will welfare boy respond to this, Will he say it is
>> "irrelevant"?,"bullshit" or got to the flushing bot? All admissions
>> that the facts have failed him.
>>
>>
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/11/washington/11cnd-housing.html?hp
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> The bill would authorize the Federal Housing Administration to insure
>> up to $300 billion in refinanced mortgages, enabling borrowers now
>> saddled with unaffordable loans to assume more manageable 30-year
>> fixed-rate loans. To take part in the program, lenders would have to
>> lower each debt obligation to 90 percent of a home's current value
>> and also make a payment to an insurance fund to insulate taxpayers
>> against losses from any future defaults.
>
>
> In reality, home mortgage rates are NOT "essentially" set by the Fed.

Fraid so.

> If they were, why are 30 yr rates still around 6% when the fed rate has dropped from over 5% in 2006 to 2% today?

Thats the cash rate, stupid.



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TOPIC: does anybody here know anything abou freecycle
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/af17f8e5c05bfdd7?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 9:49 am
From: Samantha Hill - remove TRASH to reply


A Veteran wrote:
>
> I tried both. seems Freecycle flooded my e-mail box with so many items,


Hint: You can set Yahoogroups mailing lists to not get mail and read
them on the web.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 1:48 pm
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"


"A Veteran" <georgewkspam@humboldt1.com> wrote in message
news:georgewkspam-9BFB06.08585306082008@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
> In article <4898a037$0$17238$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
> Samantha Hill - remove TRASH to reply <samhill@TRASHsonic.net> wrote:
>
>> > I've heard of it just wondering how it works.
>>
>>
>> Everything you need to know is here:
>>
>> http://www.freecycle.org/
>>
>> Some lists have a higher toleration for abuse than others.
>>
>> Also, there is Craigslist, www.craigslist.org, which has a free section.
>> Which one is better will depend on your local community.
>
> I tried both. seems Freecycle flooded my e-mail box with so many items,
> I just canceled.

set it to digest. you'll only get a few a day.



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TOPIC: Buying clothes off eBay?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/38862886a3ad24cf?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 9:49 am
From: me@privacy.net


"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Based on that, I'd say $12 is expensive.
>
>What matters is the total price. Thats what you pay.

Well the TOTAL price on the shoes I want including
shipping is abt $60

These shoes normally sell for $100 at any retailer...so
even with the $12 shipping the overall total is some
440 cheaper!

I'm just curious hoe these eBay dealers can be THAT
much cheaper?

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 10:38 am
From: Samantha Hill - remove TRASH to reply


me@privacy.net wrote:
>
> I'm just curious hoe these eBay dealers can be THAT
> much cheaper?

Overstocks by stores in small towns, people who bought shoes and wore
them once and the people wouldn't take them back, etc.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 1:21 pm
From: Dennis


On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 11:49:48 -0500, me@privacy.net wrote:

>"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> Based on that, I'd say $12 is expensive.
>>
>>What matters is the total price. Thats what you pay.
>
>Well the TOTAL price on the shoes I want including
>shipping is abt $60
>
>These shoes normally sell for $100 at any retailer...so
>even with the $12 shipping the overall total is some
>440 cheaper!
>
>I'm just curious hoe these eBay dealers can be THAT
>much cheaper?

Before you buy from ebay, compare at shoebuy.com. Free shipping, plus
satisfaction guarantee with free return shipping. I've bought from
them in the past and was happy with the deal and service. YMMV.

No affiliation, yadda, yadda, yadda.

Dennis (evil)
--
The honest man is the one who realizes that he cannot
consume more, in his lifetime, than he produces.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 3:17 pm
From: "Rod Speed"


me@privacy.net wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>> Based on that, I'd say $12 is expensive.

>> What matters is the total price. Thats what you pay.

> Well the TOTAL price on the shoes I want including shipping is abt $60

> These shoes normally sell for $100 at any retailer...so even with
> the $12 shipping the overall total is some 440 cheaper!

> I'm just curious hoe these eBay dealers can be THAT much cheaper?

They dont have to pay rent for the retail store etc and the staff to run it.

And with some of them, you deal directly with the
chinese person, no middleman store or cut at all.


== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 5:34 pm
From: Samantha Hill - remove TRASH to reply


Dennis wrote:
>
> Before you buy from ebay, compare at shoebuy.com. Free shipping, plus
> satisfaction guarantee with free return shipping. I've bought from
> them in the past and was happy with the deal and service. YMMV.
>
> No affiliation, yadda, yadda, yadda.


THANK YOU!!!!! They have lots of styles that my size-13,
ballerina-flat-loving daughter would like and they are cheaper than
where we have been buying them.

I even hate most current shoe fashions, and I found at least a dozen
different dress shoes that I would wear.

*****SMOOCHIE***** *****SMOOCHIE***** *****SMOOCHIE*****
*****SMOOCHIE***** *****SMOOCHIE*****

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 7:20 pm
From: me@privacy.net


Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Before you buy from ebay, compare at shoebuy.com. Free shipping, plus
>satisfaction guarantee with free return shipping. I've bought from
>them in the past and was happy with the deal and service. YMMV.

Ok thanks

I will give them some consideration


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TOPIC: Visa Withdrawn
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 1:00 pm
From: PaPaPeng


On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 06:41:44 -0400, Shawn Hirn <srhi@comcast.net>
wrote:

>In article <pboi94dqevjj0fmg5cmpb3qp53k6bj2nk3@4ax.com>,
> PaPaPeng <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Boycott Payback. Those 2 Britons and 2 Americans who unfurled a
>> "Tibet is Free" bannewr should be fined and deported from Beijing
>> immediately. Banned from visiting China for life too.
>
>Wrong newsgroup.

Yep. I was wondering where this post went.


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TOPIC: The leeches are reaching for more
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 4:28 pm
From: Gordon


"Stephanie" <haaa@noway.net> wrote in
news:4LWdnRcol4hTEwTVnZ2dnUVZ_sbinZ2d@comcast.com:

> Gordon wrote:
>> Back in the early '70's my father had a mortgage, an electric bill
>> a phone bill, a water bill and once a year we filled up the heating
>> oil tank.
>> Sewer and garbage was paid from taxes.
>>
>> Today, I have a Mortgage, an electric bill, a phone bill,
>> a cell phone bill, an internet access bill, I could have
>> a cable TV bill, A water + sewer bill, a garbage collection
>> bill. Basicly, more services to pay for.
>>
>> Of course it's not that simple.
>> Cable TV wants you to buy a priemium package,
>
>
> Cable is not a necessity. It is a choice. And what *they* want you to
> do is completely irrelevant. We have not had any kind of t.v. into our
> house in about 14 years.

That's the way I lived until I was about 14. Then when I
moved out, I didn't bother to buy a TV. But when I got
married I found that the wife came with a TV. Now, you did see the
words "could have" in my rant above? See I finnaly got smart
and pulled the plug on the CATV. I'd like to get rid of the
TV entirely, But there would be no end to the whining by the
Wife and kids. To I have a set of Rabbit ears hooked up to
a DTV converter box. So at least they got the locals and some
priemium content on the sub channels. They also watch some
TV content via the internet.
>
>
>> Cell phone wants to tack on IM, chat, and data
>> packages,
>
>
> They may want to. You gonna let them? And while we are at it, why do
> you need a cell AND a land line? We have both simply because the cost
> of the phone in our broadband bundle is negligible.

Same here. It's a ballance between the cell phone and the
Landline to get the best rate. LD is free on the Cell,
esp to my MIL and some other family who are on the same
carrier.

I'm looking into getting fios for internet. It costs the
same regardless of whether the phone service is bundled
with it. So with fios I could possibly save some money
by switching to a VOIP provider.


> As a homeschooling
> family who does not buy a curriculum, I would say that internet is a
> necessity for us.
>
>> And then there are those web sites like Classmates.com
>> Facebook, Geneology.com, 2nd life, (and for my daughter)
>> Club penguine, Bratz, Petz.com, etc that want to
>> sell priemium membership.
>>
>> Hoo Boy! The leeches are everywhere!
>
>
> Good thing we are too smart to let them attach to us!
>
>

Right.
This whole rant came out of a conversation I was having with
my Father. I was commenting to him about my daughter who
wanted me to buy her a priemium membership for a kiddie
web site. Which, of course, led to the comparison of various
monthly bills then and now.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 6:37 pm
From: Coffee's For Closers


In article <Xns9AF1D5D52D23Dgreederxprtnet@194.177.96.26>,
gonzo@alltomyself.com says...
> Back in the early '70's my father had a mortgage, an electric bill
> a phone bill, a water bill and once a year we filled up the heating oil
> tank.
> Sewer and garbage was paid from taxes.
>
> Today, I have a Mortgage, an electric bill, a phone bill,
> a cell phone bill, an internet access bill, I could have
> a cable TV bill, A water + sewer bill, a garbage collection
> bill. Basicly, more services to pay for.
>
> Of course it's not that simple.
> Cable TV wants you to buy a priemium package,
> Cell phone wants to tack on IM, chat, and data
> packages,
> And then there are those web sites like Classmates.com
> Facebook, Geneology.com, 2nd life, (and for my daughter)
> Club penguine, Bratz, Petz.com, etc that want to
> sell priemium membership.
>
> Hoo Boy! The leeches are everywhere!


How are they leeches?

The water/sewer and rubbish costs being billed separately doesn't
mean, in and of itself, that you are paying more (although with
inflation you are.)

Are those other services forcing you to buy them against your
will?

Also, I generally use the term, "leech" to mean someone who only
takes/demands, without offering anything at all in return.
Although I have known leeches who insisted that they were selling
the wonderful "service" of allowing other people to feel the joy
of "helping."

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== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 8:13 pm
From: George Grapman


Coffee's For Closers wrote:
> In article <Xns9AF1D5D52D23Dgreederxprtnet@194.177.96.26>,
> gonzo@alltomyself.com says...
>> Back in the early '70's my father had a mortgage, an electric bill
>> a phone bill, a water bill and once a year we filled up the heating oil
>> tank.
>> Sewer and garbage was paid from taxes.
>>
>> Today, I have a Mortgage, an electric bill, a phone bill,
>> a cell phone bill, an internet access bill, I could have
>> a cable TV bill, A water + sewer bill, a garbage collection
>> bill. Basicly, more services to pay for.
>>
>> Of course it's not that simple.
>> Cable TV wants you to buy a priemium package,
>> Cell phone wants to tack on IM, chat, and data
>> packages,
>> And then there are those web sites like Classmates.com
>> Facebook, Geneology.com, 2nd life, (and for my daughter)
>> Club penguine, Bratz, Petz.com, etc that want to
>> sell priemium membership.
>>
>> Hoo Boy! The leeches are everywhere!
>
>
> How are they leeches?
>
> The water/sewer and rubbish costs being billed separately doesn't
> mean, in and of itself, that you are paying more (although with
> inflation you are.)
>
> Are those other services forcing you to buy them against your
> will?
>
> Also, I generally use the term, "leech" to mean someone who only
> takes/demands, without offering anything at all in return.
> Although I have known leeches who insisted that they were selling
> the wonderful "service" of allowing other people to feel the joy
> of "helping."
>
>
I also remember mailing checks for all those services. I purchased 20
first class stamps several months ago and have used two.


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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 4:46 pm
From: Jewelry by Yael


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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 6:53 pm
From: clams_casino


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Date: Wed, Aug 6 2008 11:41 pm
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