Frugal Living: 25 new messages in 8 topics

Tuesday, August 5, 2008

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TOPIC: OIL DROP BRINGS NO RELIEF TO THE PUMP
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 4 2008 10:38 pm
From: Tim Campbell

> On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 13:21:53 -0500, "Eddie Haskell" <h...@rrat.com>

> 'A government big enough to give you everything you want, is
> big enough to take away everything you have.'
>
> "You cannot enrich the poor by impoverishing the rich."-

"Big-business that is big enough to give you everything you want,
will become big enough to take away everything you have."*

*as our politicians have merely become the representatives of the
corporations who placed them in their positions.

"Yet you can enrich the rich by impoverishing the poor."

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TOPIC: still making up statistics
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 5 2008 1:42 am
From: clams_casino

Pan wrote:

>
>
>
>>Communities are crumbling because of the mortgage crisis.>
>>
>>
>Less the 1% of home are in default.
>
>

Making up your own statistics again. Denial or ignorance?

nearly 1% of homes are currently in foreclosure - over 6% of mortgages
are in default.

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008806060399 -
"U.S. home foreclosures and late mortgage payments set records over the
first three months of the year"

>
>
>>And people still believe we're just heading into a recession. I have
>>news for you, we're heading into a depression but nobody wants to say it
>>because of the panic it would cause. We've now seen 8 bank failures in
>>the last two weeks which is interesting in itself. I predict that BofA
>>will be the first big bank to fail.
>>
>>
>
>No sign of recession much less a depression. The growth rate is at a
>low rate of 2% , but it is growth.
>
>

making up data again?

Current ESTIMATED GDP is 2% where such figures are typically revised
after 3-6 months. Estimated 1st quarter was 0.9%.

The actual GPD was eventually revised down in each of the previous three
years.

4th quarter 2007 was recently revised down (once again) to a negative 0.2%.

Sure is easy to be a McBush supporter when you make up "facts".

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 5 2008 1:48 am
From: clams_casino

Pan wrote:

>On Mon, 04 Aug 2008 06:47:02 -0400, clams_casino
><PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Pan wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>And the proceeds from the appreciation on your home is tax free ?
>>>Wait until you sell. The appreciation is not tax free, it is tax
>>>deferred.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Once again, we really have no clue, do you?
>>
>>Still making up "facts".......... No wonder you're for McBush.
>>
>>bye -
>>
>>
>
>Sorry I didn't get this response, You will have to explain.
>
>

http://realtytimes.com/rtpages/20070212_taxfreehom.htm

Since 1997, up to $500k gain is tax free when selling each primary
residence (can be repeated on consecutive homes).

Guess that was another tax increase by Clinton?

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 5 2008 7:34 am
From: "cybercat"

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6fpb0uFclchfU1@mid.individual.net...
>T <nospam.kd1s@cox.nospam.net> wrote
>> ohco@hotmail.com wrote
>>> clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote
>
>>>>> You mean that You did better under the higher taxes?
>
>>>> Unless you are in the top 1% (<$250k/ yr), it's highly
>>>> unlikely you are better off today vs. 10 years ago.
>
>>> I'm hardly in the top 1% and yes I am better off.
>>> My stocks made money up until this year. And the market will recover.
>
>> Wow, you're pretty optimistic.
>
> Nope, completely realistic. The market recovered even after great
> depression.
>
>> The economy as a whole is screwed.
>
> Pig ignorant lie.
>
>> If you hadn't noticed the unemployment rate is being reported as 5.7% or
>> so
>
> Plenty of countrys would kill for that rate.
>
>> which in reality translates to 2 to 3 times that number
>> since that particular statistic only records NEW filings.
>
> Pig ignorant lie.
> http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm
>
>> Then of course there are the energy prices.
>
> We've had higher real energy prices in the 70s and survived them fine.
>
>> Unless you've been hiding under a rock, you can't have missed
>> that your electric rates probably went up by about 20%
>
> Hardly the end of civilisation as we know it.
>
>> and gasoline and oil have gone stratospheric.
>
> You wouldnt know what a real straophere was if one bit you on your lard
> arse.
>
>> Energy costs impact food costs.
>
> They did in the 70s too and we survived that fine.
>
>> Communities are crumbling because of the mortgage crisis.
>
> Another lie. And we had the same claim about the S&L fiasco too and
> survived that fine.
>
>> And people still believe we're just heading into a recession.
>> I have news for you, we're heading into a depression
>
> Easy to claim. Hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that claim.
>
> And we survived the last one fine, and can survive another one fine too.
>
> It wouldnt even be as hard to survive as the last one was.
>
>> but nobody wants to say it because of the panic it would cause.
>> We've now seen 8 bank failures in the last two weeks which is interesting
>> in itself.
>
> And those with deposits in them have had their deposits federally
> guaranteed.
>
>> I predict that BofA will be the first big bank to fail.
>
> It wont be allowed to fail, you watch.
>
>

Do you think you ignorant Republican motherfuckers could please piss off?

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 5 2008 9:59 am
From: clams_casino

T wrote:

>In article <avjc94du1k79gn7fj9f94ra1pgs48n3ti1@4ax.com>,
>ohco@hotmail.com says...
>
>
>>On Sat, 02 Aug 2008 14:13:45 -0400, clams_casino
>><PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>You mean that You did better under the higher taxes?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Unless you are in the top 1% (<$250k/ yr), it's highly unlikely you are
>>>better off today vs. 10 years ago.
>>>
>>>
>>I'm hardly in the top 1% and yes I am better off.
>>My stocks made money up until this year. And the market will recover.
>>
>>
>
>Wow, you're pretty optimistic.
>
>The economy as a whole is screwed. If you hadn't noticed the
>unemployment rate is being reported as 5.7% or so which in reality
>translates to 2 to 3 times that number since that particular statistic
>only records NEW filings.
>
>
>

According to a recent Forbes article, " The misery index - the sum of
the inflation and unemployment rates - is at a 15-year high, with no
relief in sight."

According to CNNMoney, "planned job cuts announced by employers in July
jumped 26% to 103,312 from 81,755 announced in June. That's up 141% from
a year ago, when employers announced planned job cuts totaling 42,897."

According to the US Dept Labor - July 2008, " Over the past 12 months,
the number of unemployed persons has increased by 1.6 million" -

July was the seventh straight month of job losses.

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 5 2008 10:24 am
From: blake murphy

On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 07:35:24 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

> T <nospam.kd1s@cox.nospam.net> wrote
>> ohco@hotmail.com wrote
>>> clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote
>
>>>>> You mean that You did better under the higher taxes?
>
>>>> Unless you are in the top 1% (<$250k/ yr), it's highly
>>>> unlikely you are better off today vs. 10 years ago.
>
>>> I'm hardly in the top 1% and yes I am better off.
>>> My stocks made money up until this year. And the market will recover.
>
>> Wow, you're pretty optimistic.
>
> Nope, completely realistic. The market recovered even after great depression.
>

yep, all we gotta do is wait ten years and start a world war. oh, wait,
bush has already started on the latter.

prosperity is just around the corner!

your pal,
blake

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 5 2008 11:22 am
From: lisajoe@privacy.net

Juice it all and make wine!

On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 17:24:41 GMT, in misc.consumers.frugal-living blake murphy
<blakepmNOTTHIS@verizon.net> wrote:

>On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 07:35:24 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:
>
>> T <nospam.kd1s@cox.nospam.net> wrote
>>> ohco@hotmail.com wrote
>>>> clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote
>>
>>>>>> You mean that You did better under the higher taxes?
>>
>>>>> Unless you are in the top 1% (<$250k/ yr), it's highly
>>>>> unlikely you are better off today vs. 10 years ago.
>>
>>>> I'm hardly in the top 1% and yes I am better off.
>>>> My stocks made money up until this year. And the market will recover.
>>
>>> Wow, you're pretty optimistic.
>>
>> Nope, completely realistic. The market recovered even after great depression.
>>
>
>yep, all we gotta do is wait ten years and start a world war. oh, wait,
>bush has already started on the latter.
>
>prosperity is just around the corner!
>
>your pal,
>blake

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 5 2008 11:54 am
From: Pan

On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 10:34:42 -0400, "cybercat" <cyberpurrs@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Do you think you ignorant Republican motherfuckers could please piss off?
>
Well I could piss off of any thing you want.
As to being a motherfucker, yes I am, and what's your mothers name?

As you can see any one can be crude & ignorant, now did that make you
feel better?

And I will stay here as long as I want.

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TOPIC: Reviving dried-out typewriter ribbon
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 5 2008 3:37 am
From: terryc

On Mon, 04 Aug 2008 16:45:48 -0700, Jack Ricci wrote:

> I have a Royal portable typewriter with an installed black ribbon and a
> spare ribbon. Both ribbons have totally dried out in spite of being
> packed in a plastic bag. Is there a way to bring life back to them,
> especially the new one, as they cost nearly 10 dollars for the plain
> black ribbon? WD40? Stamp pad ink? Rubbing alcohol? Water? Anyone has
> any idea for me?

WD40 worked on dotmatrix printer ribbons. Best if you can lightly spray
both sides of the rolled up ribbon, then let it sit for a couple of
weeks.

You could alsotry running them through a dot matrix ribbon re-inker.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 5 2008 10:07 am
From: Cindy Hamilton

On Aug 4, 7:45 pm, Jack Ricci <jritc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I have a Royal portable typewriter with an installed black ribbon and a
> spare ribbon. Both ribbons have totally dried out in spite of being
> packed in a plastic bag. Is there a way to bring life back to them,
> especially the new one, as they cost nearly 10 dollars for the plain
> black ribbon? WD40? Stamp pad ink? Rubbing alcohol? Water? Anyone has
> any idea for me? I would like to be able to bring the typewriter back to
> life, in case of an emergency where electricity would not be available.
> Thank you for any help.

So, what kind of emergency do you envision wherein electricity would
be
unavailable and yet typewriting would be important? If there's no
electricity,
I'm going to be worried about access to food, cash, and gasoline, not
whether
I can produce a neatly turned out "Send Help" message.

Cindy Hamilton

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TOPIC: Buying clothes off eBay?
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 5 2008 4:32 am
From: ediefaber@yahoo.com (elise d faber)

On Mon, 04 Aug 2008 22:34:05 -0500, me@privacy.net wrote:

>This place on eBay has some great prices on Keen shoes
>and other outdoor apparel
>
>http://stores.ebay.com/Adrimar-Trading-Company
>
>Anyone ever buy clothes from them? Or clothes off eBay
>period?
>
>The reviews look good but I'm leery
>
>What you think?

i do it all the time. but...i don't spend a lot of money for
'designer' because even the ones that arent fakes are overpriced, i
read the description veeerry carefully, and i check the feedback. i
also use the 'ask seller a question' feature. if after all this, it
still looks good, go for it.

i have had good luck in that what i have gotten as been almost always
'as described', and i have paid little enough that i could cherefully
pass on what didn't fit/wasn't right.

elise

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 5 2008 7:50 am
From: me@privacy.net

ediefaber@yahoo.com (elise d faber) wrote:

>i have had good luck in that what i have gotten as been almost always
>'as described', and i have paid little enough that i could cherefully
>pass on what didn't fit/wasn't right.

Thanks for the opinion!

Why the heck they charge so much for shipping on
everything tho?

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 5 2008 8:10 am
From: Jonathan Grobe

On 2008-08-05, me@privacy.net <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> Why the heck they charge so much for shipping on
> everything tho?

Part of it is actual costs; part of it is the fact that
eBay doesn't get a commission on shipping charges.

--
Jonathan Grobe Books
Browse our inventory of thousands of used books at:
http://www.grobebooks.com

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 5 2008 9:47 am
From: clams_casino

me@privacy.net wrote:

>ediefaber@yahoo.com (elise d faber) wrote:
>
>
>
>>i have had good luck in that what i have gotten as been almost always
>>'as described', and i have paid little enough that i could cherefully
>>pass on what didn't fit/wasn't right.
>>
>>
>
>Thanks for the opinion!
>
>Why the heck they charge so much for shipping on
>everything tho?
>
>

Ever check postage rates? Do you want a box or should they just Magic
Marker the address on the item?

Keep in mind eBay + Paypal fees typically add 15% (or more). Then
there's the cost to get the items to the PO, the cost of returns, etc.

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TOPIC: canned fruit
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 5 2008 5:19 am
From: "Stephanie"

We have a Costco membership. The canned fruit is MUCH cheaper there. We buy
the small cans wrapped in several can packages. The large cans are even
cheaper, but we don't each that much before it goes bad. Is there anything I
can do with this fruit? I cannot imagine taking canned fruit and freezing
it...

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 5 2008 8:03 am
From: Al Bundy

Stephanie wrote:
> We have a Costco membership. The canned fruit is MUCH cheaper there. We buy
> the small cans wrapped in several can packages. The large cans are even
> cheaper, but we don't each that much before it goes bad. Is there anything I
> can do with this fruit? I cannot imagine taking canned fruit and freezing
> it...
>
> Any thoughts would be appreciated.

I freeze canned fruit all the time. There is no problem that I know
of. I would suggest placing the fruit in a plastic container rather
than leaving it in the can. A zip lock bag would work too. They ship
fruit like that, but why bother with the expense.

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 5 2008 8:07 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"Stephanie" <haaa@noway.net> wrote in message
news:IKWdnWIZCd4W2QXVnZ2dnUVZ_rbinZ2d@comcast.com...
> We have a Costco membership. The canned fruit is MUCH cheaper there. We
> buy the small cans wrapped in several can packages. The large cans are
> even cheaper, but we don't each that much before it goes bad. Is there
> anything I can do with this fruit? I cannot imagine taking canned fruit
> and freezing it...
>

why not? probably be mushy when thawed, but if you use it for
smoothies/pies, should be okay.

----------------------
"I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice
cannot sleep forever."--Thomas Jefferson

"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide
everything." -- Josef V. Stalin

www.myspace.com/bodybuildinggranny

heavy on the country music. if you don't like country, scroll down for
some surprises.

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 5 2008 8:21 am
From: CurlyQue

AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
> "Stephanie" <haaa@noway.net> wrote in message
> news:IKWdnWIZCd4W2QXVnZ2dnUVZ_rbinZ2d@comcast.com...
>> We have a Costco membership. The canned fruit is MUCH cheaper there. We
>> buy the small cans wrapped in several can packages. The large cans are
>> even cheaper, but we don't each that much before it goes bad. Is there
>> anything I can do with this fruit? I cannot imagine taking canned fruit
>> and freezing it...
>>
>
> why not? probably be mushy when thawed, but if you use it for
> smoothies/pies, should be okay.
>
> ----------------------
> "I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice
> cannot sleep forever."--Thomas Jefferson
>
> "Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide
> everything." -- Josef V. Stalin
>
> www.myspace.com/bodybuildinggranny
>
> heavy on the country music. if you don't like country, scroll down for
> some surprises.
>
>

Boil it with some sugar and put it up as preserves?

Curly

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 5 2008 8:28 am
From: "Stephanie"

CurlyQue wrote:
> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
>> "Stephanie" <haaa@noway.net> wrote in message
>> news:IKWdnWIZCd4W2QXVnZ2dnUVZ_rbinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> We have a Costco membership. The canned fruit is MUCH cheaper
>>> there. We buy the small cans wrapped in several can packages. The
>>> large cans are even cheaper, but we don't each that much before it
>>> goes bad. Is there anything I can do with this fruit? I cannot
>>> imagine taking canned fruit and freezing it...
>>>
>>
>> why not? probably be mushy when thawed, but if you use it for
>> smoothies/pies, should be okay.
>>
>> ----------------------
>> "I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His
>> justice cannot sleep forever."--Thomas Jefferson
>>
>> "Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes
>> decide everything." -- Josef V. Stalin
>>
>> www.myspace.com/bodybuildinggranny
>>
>> heavy on the country music. if you don't like country, scroll down
>> for some surprises.
>>
>>
>
> Boil it with some sugar and put it up as preserves?
>
> Curly

You all rock. Thanks.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 5 2008 9:40 am
From: "h"

"CurlyQue" <mamay@gug.com> wrote in message
news:oI-dnemwWJF78gXVnZ2dnUVZ_rTinZ2d@centurytel.net...
> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
>> "Stephanie" <haaa@noway.net> wrote in message
>> news:IKWdnWIZCd4W2QXVnZ2dnUVZ_rbinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> We have a Costco membership. The canned fruit is MUCH cheaper there. We
>>> buy the small cans wrapped in several can packages. The large cans are
>>> even cheaper, but we don't each that much before it goes bad. Is there
>>> anything I can do with this fruit? I cannot imagine taking canned fruit
>>> and freezing it...
>>>
>>
>> why not? probably be mushy when thawed, but if you use it for
>> smoothies/pies, should be okay.
>>
>> ----------------------
>> "I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His
>> justice cannot sleep forever."--Thomas Jefferson
>>
>> "Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes
>> decide everything." -- Josef V. Stalin
>>
>> www.myspace.com/bodybuildinggranny
>>
>> heavy on the country music. if you don't like country, scroll down for
>> some surprises.
>>
>>
>
> Boil it with some sugar and put it up as preserves?
>
> Curly
>
There's already a ton of sugar in canned fruit, especially if it's packed in
syrup. Canned fruit is really unhealty, unless you can it yourself without
all the extra sugar. It's much more frugal to by fresh fruit and freeze it.

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 5 2008 11:01 am
From: CurlyQue

h wrote:
> "CurlyQue" <mamay@gug.com> wrote in message
> news:oI-dnemwWJF78gXVnZ2dnUVZ_rTinZ2d@centurytel.net...
>> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
>>> "Stephanie" <haaa@noway.net> wrote in message
>>> news:IKWdnWIZCd4W2QXVnZ2dnUVZ_rbinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>> We have a Costco membership. The canned fruit is MUCH cheaper there. We
>>>> buy the small cans wrapped in several can packages. The large cans are
>>>> even cheaper, but we don't each that much before it goes bad. Is there
>>>> anything I can do with this fruit? I cannot imagine taking canned fruit
>>>> and freezing it...
>>>>
>>> why not? probably be mushy when thawed, but if you use it for
>>> smoothies/pies, should be okay.
>>>
>>> ----------------------
>>> "I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His
>>> justice cannot sleep forever."--Thomas Jefferson
>>>
>>> "Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes
>>> decide everything." -- Josef V. Stalin
>>>
>>> www.myspace.com/bodybuildinggranny
>>>
>>> heavy on the country music. if you don't like country, scroll down for
>>> some surprises.
>>>
>>>
>> Boil it with some sugar and put it up as preserves?
>>
>> Curly
>>
> There's already a ton of sugar in canned fruit, especially if it's packed in
> syrup. Canned fruit is really unhealty, unless you can it yourself without
> all the extra sugar. It's much more frugal to by fresh fruit and freeze it.
>
>

Oops....and all along I thought the thread was about uses for canned
fruit, not dietary preferences.

Sorry.

Curly

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TOPIC: Banks Borrow Record Sums from Fed
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 5 2008 7:04 am
From: Cheapo Groovo

Banks borrowed a record amount of funds from the Federal Reserve in the
latest week as the year-old credit crisis took a persistent toll, while
the commercial paper market continued to contract, signaling tough
conditions for short term borrowers.

Banks=3F primary credit borrowings averaged $17.45 billion per day in the
latest week, the second straight week this had hit a record and up from
$16.38 billion the previous week, Fed data showed on Thursday.

http://www.cheapogroovo.com

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TOPIC: Part of frugal living may be spotting the next mess before it blind
sides you.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 5 2008 8:15 am
From: Jonathan Grobe

On 2008-08-03, phil scott <phil@philscott.net> wrote:
> Say for instance you owe 400,000 dollars on a house now worth 150,000
> dollars on the distressed market...and you are late with a mortgage
> payment as your employer has announced lay offs...and your skill set
> is retail sales clerk etc.
>
Frugal people (especially people whose skill set is retail sales
clerk) don't buy $400,000 plus houses.

--
Jonathan Grobe Books
Browse our inventory of thousands of used books at:
http://www.grobebooks.com

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TOPIC: does anybody here know anything abou freecycle
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 5 2008 11:34 am
From: "http://theeliteconnoisseurs.blogspot.com/"

I've heard of it just wondering how it works.

http://stores.ebay.com/DePasionaria_W0QQsspagenameZMEQ3aFQ3aSTQQtZkm

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 5 2008 11:47 am
From: Samantha Hill - remove TRASH to reply

> I've heard of it just wondering how it works.

Everything you need to know is here:

http://www.freecycle.org/

Some lists have a higher toleration for abuse than others.

Also, there is Craigslist, www.craigslist.org, which has a free section.
Which one is better will depend on your local community.

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