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* Do you believe that giving opens the door to receiving? - 3 messages, 3
authors
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* The Perfect Pack For Your Health - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Do you still do your own oil change? - 8 messages, 6 authors
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* buying old meat from supermarket - 3 messages, 3 authors
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* <> Rexsy - Soft Relaxing Music <> - 1 messages, 1 author
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* apple sauce - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Anything wrong with canned tomatoes? - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* There's something deeply satisfying... - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Electricity Rates - wasRe: Home heating oil price? - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Britney Spears for Vice President! - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: Do you believe that giving opens the door to receiving?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/c5fec406d6e0ea4d?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 8 2008 11:50 am
From: tonnyzou@gmail.com
Check this website
password: guest
On Sep 8, 11:14 am, nucmedmike <nucmedm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The gist of Cash Gifting is this - you join a private membership and
> make a money gift to your inviter; you then are plugged into the
> system and can receive money gifts from others.
>
> (Does gifting money to "strangers" sound risky? It's no different than
> gifting to United Way or the Red Cross. Cash Gifting is a legally set-
> up operation. Your due diligence and will show that it is not risky at
> all.)
>
> www.GiftingWorks.org
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 8 2008 2:02 pm
From: Al Bundy
On Sep 8, 2:14 pm, nucmedmike <nucmedm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The gist of Cash Gifting is this - you join a private membership and
> make a money gift to your inviter; you then are plugged into the
> system and can receive money gifts from others.
>
> (Does gifting money to "strangers" sound risky? It's no different than
> gifting to United Way or the Red Cross. Cash Gifting is a legally set-
> up operation. Your due diligence and will show that it is not risky at
> all.)
>
There are a number of major flaws in your thought train Einstein. The
most obvious is that nothing is created. If everybody keeps giving to
one another, there is a zero sum, less inefficiencies in the process.
Of course it's really a pyramid scheme and most people will end up
without a chair to sit on.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 8 2008 9:23 pm
From: Coffee's For Closers
In article <1faacea2-98af-4b84-b737-
555e1905dc65@k7g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>, nucmedmike@gmail.com
says...
> The gist of Cash Gifting is this - you join a private membership and
> make a money gift to your inviter; you then are plugged into the
> system and can receive money gifts from others.
>
> (Does gifting money to "strangers" sound risky? It's no different than
> gifting to United Way or the Red Cross. Cash Gifting is a legally set-
> up operation. Your due diligence and will show that it is not risky at
> all.)
>
>
> www.SpammingSucks.org
No, I believe that giving people "free" money (or physical items,
or services) opens their hands, grabbing for more. Without any
sense of limits. And absolutely zero gratitude. That is what
happened every time I was ever generous to anyone.
Giving money to pyramid-scamming spammers doesn't sound like
much fun, either.
--
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http://www.MinistryOfPrivacy.com/
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TOPIC: The Perfect Pack For Your Health
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 8 2008 12:25 pm
From: tonnyzou@gmail.com
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TOPIC: Do you still do your own oil change?
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 8 2008 12:47 pm
From: Gene Seibel
On Sep 7, 4:32 pm, James <j0069b...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I keep saying to myself I'm too old to do it just to save 5 bucks.
> However every time they have a special on oil and filters I get
> another batch.
Don't do the truck oil changes, but do the airplane ourselves because
that saves up to $100.
--
Gene Seibel
Gene & Sue's Aeroplanes - http://pad39a.com/gene/planes.html
Because we fly, we envy no one.
== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 8 2008 1:19 pm
From: "1297" <1297@npspam.com>
clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
> 1297 wrote:
>
>> clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Dave wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> "James" <j0069bond@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:01ca5dea-74f9-428c-9c7c-e00c9909960b@y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I keep saying to myself I'm too old to do it just to save 5 bucks.
>>>>> However every time they have a special on oil and filters I get
>>>>> another batch.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> How do you save 5 bucks? The materials alone are usually more than
>>>> it costs to have our garage do it. Then you have to consider the
>>>> gas you will burn when you haul the used oil to a recycling
>>>> facility. -Dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I find the $5-10 savings a quick, easy savings. Actually, driving
>>> to get an oil change every other month would add significantly to
>>> the cost, never mind the waste of time to / from / waiting for it to be
>>> completed..
>>
>> Only a fool changes the oil every other month.
>>
>>
>>
> Only a fool doesn't change oil every 5k miles.
Barking mad.
> I expect my vehicles to last a minimum of 250K miles.
My last one lasted 35+ years with no oil changes at all outside the first year.
> Oil changes are a minimal / essentially negligible cost to extend the life span.
Have fun explaining how mine lasted 35+ years, 300K miles without any outside the first year.
== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 8 2008 1:28 pm
From: SMS
James wrote:
> I keep saying to myself I'm too old to do it just to save 5 bucks.
> However every time they have a special on oil and filters I get
> another batch.
To me, it's not about the $10 or so I'll save, it's about the
convenience of doing it myself and the fact that I'll do a better job.
Using the right oil
-------------------
One time I had a dealer (Toyota) change the oil, they used the wrong oil
and they had to do it over. You need to be really careful that the place
doing the oil change doesn't simply use their bulk 10W30 oil on vehicles
that should be using 5W30 or 5W20, and then assure you that it's okay.
Geez, the _dealer_ using the wrong oil. I then found out that when Honda
first started using 5W20 oil the dealer was still using 5W30 on those
vehicles (a relative of mine that owns an independent garage was buying
5W20 from the Honda dealer and the parts guy told him that even their
own service department didn't use 5W20 because it was so expensive (when
it first came out)).
Using the right filter
----------------------
Quick-change places, and even most independent garages, use the
el-cheapo jobber filters that are very poorly constructed. It's better
to use the OEM filter from the dealer, and usually only $1 more than
junky filters (like those orange ones) if you buy them on sale. Even if
you have your oil done somewhere (other than the dealer), bring your own
OEM filter.
Letting the old oil drain completely
------------------------------------
No garage has time to leave the car on the lift or over the put while
all the old oil drips out. You always have about eight ounces of old oil
left in the oil pan.
Using a new drain-plug gasket
-----------------------------
A lot of places re-use the old gasket
Filling to the proper level
---------------------------
Often the manual doesn't show the proper oil level. I.e., on one of my
vehicles, it says 5.5 quarts, but it actually takes 6.5 quarts to reach
the full level on the dipstick.
Screw-Ups
---------
Places like Jiffy-Lube routinely do things wrong and destroy vehicles.
Cross-threading the drain plug, forgetting to remove the old filter
gasket, not tightening the filter sufficiently, forgetting to put the
filler cap back on, etc.
Up-Sells
--------
Places like Jiffy-Lube routinely try to up sell you with unneeded
services, and even when you agree they often don't perform those
services. Even dealers try up selling, though they're more likely to
actually perform what you pay for, however needless it actually is, like
the infamous "Bilstein Wallet Flush."
Wasted Time
-----------
Having to drive somewhere and wait, or having to drop the car off and
get a ride, or take the bus, is just not worth it in terms of wasted time.
Recycling
---------
We have curbside recycling of used oil so I don't need to take it anywhere.
Cost
----
With a $4 filter from the Toyota dealer, a $1 drain plug gasket, and
five quarts of $2 oil it costs me $15 for one vehicle, and the other one
is $2 more for another quart. While the oil is draining I wash the car.
To drive somewhere and wait for the oil change, and pay $22-25 (the
going rate in the San Francisco Bay Area for independent garages) is a
real wast of time and money. Fortunately our vehicles are both
relatively easy for oil changes. I had a Honda once where I couldn't get
to the filter without ramps or a lift.
== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 8 2008 1:43 pm
From: val189
On Sep 7, 6:32 pm, James <j0069b...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I keep saying to myself I'm too old to do it just to save 5 bucks.
> However every time they have a special on oil and filters I get
> another batch.
My dealer offers an oil change for about 12 bucks. Keeps a guy in a
job, they can dispose of the old stuff properly. They eml a reminder
too.
== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 8 2008 2:03 pm
From: clams_casino
1297 wrote:
>Have fun explaining how mine lasted 35+ years, 300K miles without any outside the first year.
>
>
>
>
Only Rod Speed could be so ignorant as to drive (claim to drive) 350K
miles without an oil change..
== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 8 2008 3:08 pm
From: Dennis
On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 17:37:36 -0600, timeOday
<timeOday-UNspam@theknack.net> wrote:
>Dave wrote:
>> "James" <j0069bond@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:01ca5dea-74f9-428c-9c7c-e00c9909960b@y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
>>> I keep saying to myself I'm too old to do it just to save 5 bucks.
>>> However every time they have a special on oil and filters I get
>>> another batch.
>>
>> How do you save 5 bucks? The materials alone are usually more than it costs
>> to have our garage do it. Then you have to consider the gas you will burn
>> when you haul the used oil to a recycling facility. -Dave
>
>
>Yeah, I figured it out last time, and you hardly save any money at all
>doing it yourself.
Four quarts of oil and a filter cost me US$7-8. How much does it cost
to have your oil changed at a garage?
Dennis (evil)
--
The honest man is the one who realizes that he cannot
consume more, in his lifetime, than he produces.
== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 8 2008 3:48 pm
From: "1297" <1297@npspam.com>
clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
> 1297 wrote:
>
>> Have fun explaining how mine lasted 35+ years, 300K miles without
>> any outside the first year.
> Only Rod Speed could be so ignorant as to drive (claim to drive) 350K
> miles without an oil change..
Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 8 2008 4:01 pm
From: SMS
clams_casino wrote:
> 1297 wrote:
>
>> Have fun explaining how mine lasted 35+ years, 300K miles without any
>> outside the first year.
>>
>>
>>
> Only Rod Speed could be so ignorant as to drive (claim to drive) 350K
> miles without an oil change..
LOL, he's now changing e-mail addresses to get around everyone's kill-file.
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TOPIC: buying old meat from supermarket
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 8 2008 1:32 pm
From: "Andee"
"Omelet" <ompomelet@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ompomelet-6E1C37.13014903092008@news.giganews.com...
> In article <ZYednek_m9wmUyPVnZ2dnUVZ_vninZ2d@giganews.com>,
> "Peter" <no@mail.com> wrote:
>
>> > Heh! Hope they were impressed...
>>
>>
>> I warned them when I got there that it was pretty rank and they may not
>> want
>> to open it where customers walk by. They seemed to trust that I was
>> not
>> trying to rip them off, didn't open the 5 bags, and gave me my refund.
>
> Smart thinking.
>
> Reminds me of the time I shipped some hatching eggs vis USPS priority
> mail...
>
> and it took 3 weeks for them to arrive rather than the promised 3 days.
>
> 2 trashbags were not enough according to the recipient. <g>
>
> First time I ever got an uncontested refund from the post office...
> --
> Peace! Om
>
> "If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed; if you do read the
> newspaper you are misinformed." --Mark Twain
We once bought a chicken from Morrisons that once opened stunk like hell. We
phoned them up to question about a refund. Next thing Morrisons took our
address and delivered a replacement chicken within 30mins, and on a Sunday
afternoon.
--
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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 8 2008 2:25 pm
From: "Stephen Stewart"
"RegForte" <reg@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:IRXwk.12785$L_.3544@flpi150.ffdc.sbc.com...
> Stephen Stewart wrote:
>
>> Interesting article.
>>
>> Do yourself a favour and try understanding it.
>>
>> It states in both instances that these outbreaks were caused as a result
>> of the "anerobic environment created by using non-traditional storage
>> methods".
>>
>> It further states that "following the recent Alaskan outbreak, Centers
>> for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) experiments were unable to
>> detect botulinum toxin in traditionally fermented salmon heads while
>> botulinum toxin was detected in salmon heads fermented in plastic
>> buckets".
>>
>
> Why am I not surprised that you're incapable of doing your own research.
>
> "Native preparations" have been a cause of food poisoning for years.
> Salmonella, botulism, and others.
>
> I'll spell it out for you.
>
> From the Centers for Disease Control website:
>
> <http://www2.cdc.gov/phtn/botulism/who/who.asp>
>
> Quote:
>
> Almost all cases of botulism in Alaska are associated with Native foods
> like
> - Fermented fish heads, also called "stinky heads"
> - Fermented fish eggs, also called "stinky eggs"
> - Fermented beaver tail
> - Fermented seal flipper
> - Fermented walrus flipper
> - Fermented whale
> - Seal oil
> - Dried unsalted fish
>
> More from the page:
>
> Although preparing fermented food using traditional methods appears to
> be safer,
> eating any fermented Native food has some risk of botulism
>
> Other articles:
>
> Botulism in Juneau Prompt Action Saves Lives
> <http://www.epi.hss.state.ak.us/bulletins/docs/b1991_17.htm>
>
> Native Food Preparation Fosters Botulism
> <http://www.questia.com/googleScholar.qst;jsessionid=LGDLnxKzpJTJW11Jr5T3v6t2XM7jkCHC1nhvy21GJzLWpcVvp1r8!745842718?docId=5002173474>
>
> Botulism
> <http://www.health.alberta.ca/professionals/ND_Botulism.pdf?
>
>> I don't think the Eskimos invented Tupperware and there's no traditional
>> Eskimo method of making glass jars or plastic containers so presumably
>> botulism wasn't a particular problem for the original natives. :-)
>
> That fits right in with the rest of your drivel.
The OP's query and my response relate to adequately cooking meat that's
close to or even well beyond it's use by date and not fermented food.
It states in the first article you've cited that "All outbreaks of botulism
in Alaska have been traced to traditional Native fermented foods, such as
salmon heads, salmon eggs, beaver tail, white fish, seal blubber, whale, and
walrus".
Quite why you think this is relevant to the cooking of potentially rotten
meat is difficult to tell.
Do you think the OP is somehow fermenting his?
In any case the third article you've cited reiterates what I said originally
that if cooked properly the botulinum toxin is destroyed.
I'm sorry but I'm not prepared to dumb this down any further.
If you think you can find any evidence that rotten meat when cooked properly
can't be eaten then prove it.
I guarantee you you're wrong.
Stephen
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 8 2008 6:54 pm
From: Omelet
In article <c9udnZM-GaF7FljVnZ2dnUVZ8tSdnZ2d@pipex.net>,
"Andee" <noreply@elmtreeweb.co.uk> wrote:
> "Omelet" <ompomelet@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ompomelet-6E1C37.13014903092008@news.giganews.com...
> > In article <ZYednek_m9wmUyPVnZ2dnUVZ_vninZ2d@giganews.com>,
> > "Peter" <no@mail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> > Heh! Hope they were impressed...
> >>
> >>
> >> I warned them when I got there that it was pretty rank and they may not
> >> want
> >> to open it where customers walk by. They seemed to trust that I was
> >> not
> >> trying to rip them off, didn't open the 5 bags, and gave me my refund.
> >
> > Smart thinking.
> >
> > Reminds me of the time I shipped some hatching eggs vis USPS priority
> > mail...
> >
> > and it took 3 weeks for them to arrive rather than the promised 3 days.
> >
> > 2 trashbags were not enough according to the recipient. <g>
> >
> > First time I ever got an uncontested refund from the post office...
> > --
> > Peace! Om
> >
> > "If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed; if you do read the
> > newspaper you are misinformed." --Mark Twain
>
> We once bought a chicken from Morrisons that once opened stunk like hell. We
> phoned them up to question about a refund. Next thing Morrisons took our
> address and delivered a replacement chicken within 30mins, and on a Sunday
> afternoon.
Cool!
--
Peace! Om
"If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed; if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed." --Mark Twain
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TOPIC: <> Rexsy - Soft Relaxing Music <>
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 8 2008 1:48 pm
From: Rexsy
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TOPIC: apple sauce
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 8 2008 2:06 pm
From: Al Bundy
jerry5...@gmail.com wrote:
> for years I have followed the old refrain "an apple a day keeps the
> doctor away".
> And regularly have eaten one or two apples a day.
>
> Now with the high cost of apples I have switched to apple sauce.
> My preference is those individual containers that hold, typically, 4
> ounces of apple sauce.
>
> If you look closely, the sugar content varies.
> My choice is "no sugar added".
>
> -Ogato32
Those are cooked and processed apples in the sauce. They do not offer
the same benefits as fresh apples. The fiber is removed. Live
nutrients are killed in the cooking. Time and exposure produces other
changes.
Apples were $4.49/10# bag at Randazzo's last week. Fresh peaches were
only 44¢/# and I bought them instead of apples for a change. I don't
think your doctor will be coming out to see you just because you
switch.
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TOPIC: Anything wrong with canned tomatoes?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 8 2008 3:15 pm
From: Dennis
On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 22:31:53 -0600, hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:
>On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 10:15:02 -0700, Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>Fresh corn on the cob here is back up to
>>>a dollar an ear.
>>
>>Are you showing unusual restraint here, or are you just tired? ;-)
>
>Both. I know the price is a fix and that our ex-neighbors in Florida
>can get them for 20 cents an ear. What ticked me off was more the
>poor harvest of corn, and I had some control over that. I'm not sure
>how I'll handle it next year. In the meantime, it is bags of the
>frozen stuff. I am tired of fighting price wars though.
Agreed, the price is too high. But I was actually refering to you not
working in a buck-an-ear gag. ;-)
Dennis (evil)
--
"There is a fine line between participation and mockery" - Wally
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 8 2008 10:55 pm
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com
Wow. Too long and detailed a post for me to quickly reply to, so I'll
type some and digest later.
We gave up on vegetable gardening in Florida, primarily because of the
bugs, lack of proper tilling equipment, and unrelenting heat.
Watching every summer squash turn to guacamole because of worms
hatching out in the flowers, and a few other disasters relegated us
primarily to mangoes and passionfruit and bananas. This area has a
nice frosty winter to slow some of the pests down a little.
I spent part of today power-shopping at the groceries and found
fourpacks of corn for $1.50/pack, so picked up a couple. At least we
now remember how fresh corn tastes. A neighbor up here clued us in to
simply tossing our tomatoes into the freezer to freeze. It works fine
for me, since they'll end up in sauces or cooked stuff anyway. I'm
also thinking they could make wicked weapons. Lob a frozen one from a
moving car and it could shatter a door. By the time the homeowner
returned the tomato would be all innocent looking and mushy, but
probably intact.
We have a cheap pool that is near the garden for water, but I
discovered that the "puddling" behavior of butterflies, moths, and
some wasps seems to be more about picking up soil minerals for some
sexual development than being thirsty. Perhaps this is their version
of going to the local bar?
I got okra seeds mixed up with bean seeds, and so a second crop of
okra is just now flowering on top of the bean plants. Seems to work
well, I might do it on purpose next year. We have too many snap
beans, so it is time to let the rest turn into northern beans or
whatever they want to be when they grow up. Tilling is a requirement
and probably will continue to be for a while, since the loam is
primarily clay and rocks and compacts quite badly. I did one green
crop of wheat and have added grass clippings in a few areas, but the
organic matter in the soil is way low. At least when I add it the
stuff doesn't evaporate in a day like in Florida.
One thing that surprised me when we were researching the move up here
from Florida is that the average rainfall, which is fairly consistent
at about 5"/mo throughout the year. No wet and dry seasons. Of
course we did arrive in a drought, so that didn't hold.
On Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:13:13 -0500, Derald <derald@invalid.net> wrote:
>hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>>Because canned tomatoes don't work well in salads?
> Sandwiches, too....
>
> Harry, I guess your gardening efforts must have been ectoplasmic
>inspiration to me, although, coincidence probably is more likely: This
>Spring, after a nearly ten-year hiatus, I rejuvenated a few of the
>raised beds DW built during the 1990's and resumed shepherding a small
>"to the need" community garden that has been surprisingly productive,
>considering all of the time that it lay fallow. We no longer attempt to
>produce quantities for preservation, although, DW&I do freeze (or
>dehydrate) excess in order to prevent waste.
> Since late May, have had a steady stream of fresh "better boy" as
>well as little "husky cherry red" tomatoes. The cherry tomatoes are
>spousal indulgence; I prefer indeterminates because they'll yield nice
>big tomatoes until December or January. I noticed yesterday that the
>"better boy" have resumed blossoming, after a cloud/rain induced break,
>so I guess it's time for me to get involved in their sex lives once
>again: Hand-pollination because the few "pollinators" that are active
>this time-of-year are looking for water, not for flower juice. I keep
>basins of fresh water in each of the beds so the predatory wasps are
>still helping me out.
> In addition, okra (Clemson spineless); blackeyed peas;
>eggplant/aubergine (black beauty); "bell" peppers; and basil (spicy
>globe) are producing. The fourth planting of blackeyed peas (it replaced
>the peanuts under the okra) is about half-grown; third planting is just
>about played out and its bed will be used for "greens", mustard, most
>likely, even though collards are more heat tolerant. Few phenomena are
>more depressing than seeing a cute little young mustard with bright
>yellow blossoms but I'll chance it. Just yesterday, completed planting
>of the second bed of "Delinel" snap-beans for October/November harvest.
>From late February or early March, I'll succession-plant more Delinels
>for a continuous yield into August, when they just can't cope with the
>long hot humid days.
>>
>>tilling for the cool weather crops of kale and collards and cabbagy stuff that we have
>>started.
> Although, I do not "till", some hand tools are required to redeem
>the beds from their fallow state. As a rule, I use no tools to work the
>garden soil because of their destructive effect on the soft-bodied
>instars of the insectivorous wasps and native solitary bees. No Japanese
>beetles here and native beetle "grubs" are not numerous enough to be a
>problem. I don't begrudge them the occasional root snack any more than I
>mind paying a "bean tax" to the tufted titmouses....
> Over the next couple of weeks, will rejuvenate at least two more
>beds to accomodate cool-weather items: Lettuce, other "greens",
>"English" garden peas, maybe cabbage and maybe cauliflower. Although, I
>like nothing else better than freshly cropped cauliflower, it's a bit
>"iffy" down here because of the shortage of cool days during the
>fall-winter growing season. We almost never have enough contiguous days
>of cool weather to make broccoli, Brussel's sprouts, or other
>long-season "cool weather" veggies worthwhile. Potatoes will be
>barrel-grown and they go in in December.
> Neither of us cares for corn or squash well enough to devote any
>effort -- or garden area -- to either, although, with an early start we
>do manage a few "hills" of cucumber. At its best, Florida-grown corn is
>insipid, anyway, and in order to get a decent crop of it or of "summer"
>squash, one must plant them early enough in the year that there remains
>some frost danger because if the crop is not "in" by May or early June,
>then the insects make further efforts futile. I live in a sort-of
>developed semi-rural area, so there is no reasonable defense against
>that variety of incipient, shield-shaped, juice-sucking, virus spreading
>insects that generically just seem to go as "plant bugs" that shelter in
>the "woods".
> You may find this useful when planning planting dates:
>http://www.weatherbase.com/search/search.php3?refer=
>although, I notice that for your area, averages are compiled over what
>seems a fairly short span; and
>http://www.accuweather.com/ for short-term forecasts.
> Accuweather has a long history and reputation for accurate
>commercial weather forecasting and their free public forecasts seem to
>be more reliable than NWS forecasts and 'way-y-y better than Weather.com
>(the weather channel; it's for sale, btw, if you're looking for a
>retirement plan....). Production companies used to (and may, still,
>FAIK) buy shoot-day forecasts from accuweather back in the day.
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Date: Mon, Sep 8 2008 5:11 pm
From: The Real Bev
...about cutting a grasshopper in half -- the one you just noticed had
consumed half the leaves on the baby Queensland flame trees whose seeds
you stole from the Huntington Library -- with the nice $40 (or $80, I
can't remember) Cutco kitchen scissors that you got at a yard sale for
half a buck.
The Cutco rep at the LA County Fair said that all Cutco products had a
lifetime guarantee and that if they ever needed sharpening they would
send one of their Associates (all good-looking young guys, at least the
ones that were manning the booth) out to the owner's home to sharpen
them. I wonder if that includes replacement, and I wonder if using the
scissors for something really disgusting (like cutting a grasshopper in
half) would count...
--
Cheers, Bev
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The stone age didn't end for lack of stones.
-- Troy the Troll
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TOPIC: Electricity Rates - wasRe: Home heating oil price?
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Date: Mon, Sep 8 2008 9:06 pm
From: Larry Caldwell
In article <48badca3$0$7480$38cefb40@news.westelcom.com>, ward39
@imcnet.net (JonquilJan) says...
> Here (northern New York) my electric is .13028/kWh - but - delivery services
> are ,030799/kWh plus a 2.04082% surcharge on the delivery service plus
> basic delivery service (other than useage) of $16.21. The delivery services
> are over half my bill.
> What is the situation on electric in other parts of the country? Company is
> National Grid - and I opt in for wind energy (which adds just a bit - trying
> to do 'my part').
Here in Oregon we have cheap electricity, thanks to a bunch of 70 year
old hydro projects - the original renewable energy. We also have a
tiered rate system.
The first 525 kwh is $0.0345400/kwh
The second 525 kwh is $0.0410600/kwh
The third 525 kwh is $0.0508200/kwh
Basic charge is $7.50
Delivery charge is $0.0359600/kwh
State Tax is $0.0019900/kwh
The company is Pacific Power. They didn't get the rate increases they
asked for in Utah, so the word is that they are going to cut grid
maintenance and not pay overtime if there is a storm outage. They got
bought by Warren Buffet, who wants his 10% ROI. I suspect my cheap
electricity will be coming to an end pretty soon.
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TOPIC: Britney Spears for Vice President!
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Date: Mon, Sep 8 2008 10:31 pm
From: Chester Riley
Don't pay any more attention to all that boring stuff. The GOP has
some exiting news for you! They have combined forces with the Alaskan
Independence Party to bring you Britney Spears for Vice-President. Okay
so they couldn't get the real Britney nor Paris Hilton so McCain settled
for Sarah Palin instead.
Sarah Palin's going to be highly controversial for as long as she's in
the spotlight so you won't be bored thinking about things like the
losing your job and your health care, the country going to hell in a
handbasket, fundemental strategic blunders like Iraq, and irreversable
climate change. Even though she is afraid to talk to reporter outside
of a carefully controlled environment, she craves Britney like attention
so expect Palin to say or do something to cause an uproar whenever
things get too quiet.
Never mind that she's a lightweight in experience and knowledge, her car
wash was shut down by the state because she didn't file any of the
paperwork, she is vindictive to enemies and brothers in law, and her
voice is about as pleasant as someone scratching a chalkboard. All of
this stuff is just going to make things even more exiting.
As a bonus, Palin supports 97% of George Bush's policies and she will be
available to handle all of America's foreign policy crises and lead the
war on terror in case McCain dies in office like 7 previous American
Presidents. This is important because McCain has a pretty reckless
temperment. He picked Palin after all and now McCain he can stop being
envious of Obama's celebrity. Before that McCain crashed 5 planes in
the military and then got himself captured. And when he got out he did
a gutsy thing and dumped his faithful first wife to marry a millionaire.
wismel@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:15:21 -0500, "johnny@." <johnny@.> wrote:
>
>> August 31, 2008
>> Federation for American Immigration Reform
>>
>> High-immigration cheerleaders claim that we need immigration for our
>> economy. But they ignore the detrimental effect that importing workers
>> has on American workers, particularly low-skilled natives. In a supply
>> and demand economy like ours, the more there is of something, the less
>> value it has.
>> By artificially inflating the number of workers in our country,
>> immigration lowers the value of workers, and wages are depressed. As
>> George Washington University economics professor Robert Dunn notes, "I
>> know business people who tell me they're not interested in hiring
>> Americans because the people who come from outside are cheaper. But ...
>> if there's an unlimited supply of labor facing this country from
>> outside, from the South or wherever, at five dollars an hour, I don't
>> care how fast this economy grows, the wage rate for such people is going
>> to be five dollars an hour!"1
>>
>> The Skill Levels of Most Immigrants Are Low.
>>
>> Thanks to immigration laws that favor relatives instead of skilled
>> workers, most of the immigrants being admitted are low-skilled. Out of
>> all the adult immigrants admitted in 2000, 69 percent had no reported
>> profession, occupation, or job at all.2 The average adult immigrant has
>> only a ninth-grade education; more than a third of immigrants over 25
>> are not high school graduates.3
>>
>> Claims That We Need Low-Skilled Workers Are False.
>>
>> Some employers claim that they need to import low-skilled workers to
>> compete in the world market, where wages are very low. But those
>> employers have simply become dependent on cheap foreign labor to the
>> detriment of American workers: "Network recruitment [of immigrants] not
>> only excludes American workers from certain jobs; it also builds a
>> dependency relationship between U.S. employers and Mexican sources that
>> requires a constant infusion of new workers," says economist Philip
>> Martin.4 Such a strategy for our economy is doomed to failure anyway:
>> "The low-wage strategy may work in the short run, but in the long run
>> it's a loser. In the long run, we are not going to win a wage-cutting
>> contest with the Third World," notes economist Vernon Briggs.5
>>
>> Besides, the United States already has plenty of low-skilled native
>> workers: "No technologically advanced industrial nation that has 27
>> million illiterate adults ... need have any fear about a shortage of
>> unskilled workers in its foreseeable future."6
>>
>> http://www.rightsidenews.com/200808311844/border-and-sovereignty/lower-wages-for-american-workers.html
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