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TOPIC: The $810 BILLION bailout ... what does it mean to ME???
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 5 2008 3:16 pm
From: "Dave"
No bullshit, no hype, just the facts:
- It was $700 Billion, but that was rejected. The version signed into law
recently is worse. It is $810 Billion.
- We don't have $810 Billion, we will have to borrow it from other
countries, like China.
- The payoff on the loan will be a minimum of $1.6 TRILLION. Some experts
say the number is closer to $10 TRILLION.
- There are about 138,000,000 taxpayers (debtors) in the U.S. right now
- The Bailout will cost EACH taxpayer $11,594.20 MINIMUM.
- The Bailout will cost a two-income family $23,188.40 MINIMUM.
Some idiots are speculating that we might make a profit of up to $200
Billion on the money we are throwing at the banks which are bankrupt and
mis-managed. If so, (and that's a HUGE 'IF') this will reduce our loss to a
measly $1.4 TRILLION dollars.
- The Bailout will cost EACH taxpayer $11,594.20 MINIMUM.
IMHO, every congressman who voted for this should spend a minimum of 10
years in Federal prison. -Dave
== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 5 2008 4:03 pm
From: Lou
Dave wrote:
> No bullshit, no hype, just the facts:
> - It was $700 Billion, but that was rejected. The version signed into
> law recently is worse. It is $810 Billion.
> - We don't have $810 Billion, we will have to borrow it from other
> countries, like China.
> - The payoff on the loan will be a minimum of $1.6 TRILLION. Some
> experts say the number is closer to $10 TRILLION.
> - There are about 138,000,000 taxpayers (debtors) in the U.S. right now
> - The Bailout will cost EACH taxpayer $11,594.20 MINIMUM.
> - The Bailout will cost a two-income family $23,188.40 MINIMUM.
>
> Some idiots are speculating that we might make a profit of up to $200
> Billion on the money we are throwing at the banks which are bankrupt and
> mis-managed. If so, (and that's a HUGE 'IF') this will reduce our loss
> to a measly $1.4 TRILLION dollars.
>
> - The Bailout will cost EACH taxpayer $11,594.20 MINIMUM.
>
> IMHO, every congressman who voted for this should spend a minimum of 10
> years in Federal prison. -Dave
>
>
Let's see, last Monday's stock market drop erased $1.1 trillion stock
value. If the $700 billion, or $810 billion, or whatever, manages to
steady the economy and reverse that loss, it'll be cheap at the price.
== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 5 2008 4:29 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Dave <noway@nohow.not> wrote
> No bullshit, no hype, just the facts:
Obvious bare faced lie.
> - It was $700 Billion, but that was rejected. The version signed into law recently is worse. It is $810 Billion.
> - We don't have $810 Billion, we will have to borrow it from other countries, like China.
Just what happened with the fiasco in Iraq. So ?
> - The payoff on the loan will be a minimum of $1.6 TRILLION.
Easy to claim. Hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that claim.
> Some experts say the number is closer to $10 TRILLION.
Odd that you havent actually named any that stupid so we can see
if we agree that they are experts in anything except lying bullshit.
> - There are about 138,000,000 taxpayers (debtors) in the U.S. right now - The Bailout will cost EACH taxpayer
> $11,594.20 MINIMUM.
Easy to claim. Hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that claim.
And thats less than the fiasco in Iraq has cost anyway.
> - The Bailout will cost a two-income family $23,188.40 MINIMUM.
Easy to claim. Hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that claim.
And thats less than the fiasco in Iraq has cost anyway.
> Some idiots are speculating that we might make a profit of up to $200
> Billion on the money we are throwing at the banks which are bankrupt
> and mis-managed. If so, (and that's a HUGE 'IF') this will reduce
> our loss to a measly $1.4 TRILLION dollars.
Easy to claim. Hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that claim.
> - The Bailout will cost EACH taxpayer $11,594.20 MINIMUM.
Easy to claim. Hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that claim.
And thats less than the fiasco in Iraq has cost anyway.
> IMHO, every congressman who voted for this should spend a minimum of 10 years in Federal prison.
Then do the decent thing and set fire to yourself in 'protest' or sumfin.
== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 5 2008 5:11 pm
From: "Dave"
>> - The Bailout will cost EACH taxpayer $11,594.20 MINIMUM.
>>
>> IMHO, every congressman who voted for this should spend a minimum of 10
>> years in Federal prison. -Dave
>>
>>
> Let's see, last Monday's stock market drop erased $1.1 trillion stock
> value. If the $700 billion, or $810 billion, or whatever, manages to
> steady the economy and reverse that loss, it'll be cheap at the price.
Ok, so we'll charge each taxpayer ~$12K so that SOME investors might not
lose a little money? (at least not right away) Since when is the U.S.
Government in the business of telling individual taxpayers what stocks to
invest in, and how much to invest, with a gun pointed at their heads? -Dave
== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 5 2008 7:06 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Dave <none@never.invalid> wrote
>>> - The Bailout will cost EACH taxpayer $11,594.20 MINIMUM.
>> Let's see, last Monday's stock market drop erased $1.1 trillion stock
>> value. If the $700 billion, or $810 billion, or whatever, manages to
>> steady the economy and reverse that loss, it'll be cheap at the price.
> Ok, so we'll charge each taxpayer ~$12K so that SOME investors might not lose a little money?
Most of those who have worked have pension funds etc. Particularly
those with the better jobs that would be paying the most in taxation.
And its nothing like 'a little money' either.
> Since when is the U.S. Government in the business of telling individual taxpayers what stocks to invest in, and how
> much to invest,
That isnt telling individual taxpayers what stocks to invest in.
> with a gun pointed at their heads?
Ever since we invented taxation, cretin.
== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 5 2008 8:39 pm
From: William Souden
Rod Speed wrote:
> Dave <none@never.invalid> wrote
>
>>>> - The Bailout will cost EACH taxpayer $11,594.20 MINIMUM.
>
>>> Let's see, last Monday's stock market drop erased $1.1 trillion stock
>>> value. If the $700 billion, or $810 billion, or whatever, manages to
>>> steady the economy and reverse that loss, it'll be cheap at the price.
>
>> Ok, so we'll charge each taxpayer ~$12K so that SOME investors might not lose a little money?
>
> Most of those who have worked have pension funds etc. Particularly
> those with the better jobs that would be paying the most in taxation.
But you are not one of those who have worked,welfare boy.
>
> And its nothing like 'a little money' either.
>
>> Since when is the U.S. Government in the business of telling individual taxpayers what stocks to invest in, and how
>> much to invest,
>
> That isnt telling individual taxpayers what stocks to invest in.
>
>> with a gun pointed at their heads?
>
> Ever since we invented taxation, cretin.
O look, Rod found a new insult.
>
>
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TOPIC: $400Billion Lehman Assets Sent Back To Israel Right Before Collapse
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 5 2008 4:38 pm
From: wismel@yahoo.com
On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 16:27:20 -0700, wismel@yahoo.com wrote:
>On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 15:04:47 -0700 (PDT), "judicial-inc.biz"
><sweep101946@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>>$400B Sent To Israel
>>Ahead Of Lehman BK
>>The Voice of the White House
>>10-5-8
>>
>>WASHINGTON, DC -- "There is a very serious aspect to the current
>>economic collapse that no one wants to discuss, neither the economic
>>pundits, the media or the scared politicians. This concerns an aspect
>>of the subprime scams and, basically and stripped of euphemistic words
>>and propaganda phrases, is that very large amounts of money from
>>various banks and financial institutions and the owners and
>>controllers thereof were, and are being, sent outside this country to
>>a secure area. I am speaking most specifically of American business
>>frantically sending, electronically, huge amounts of money to banks in
>>Israel.
>>
>>The three banks that are getting most of the stolen money are:
>>Hapoalim group, Bank Leumi group, Discount Bank group. It is not
>>necessary to mention that the senders are all Jewish and it should be
>>noted that Israeli banking concerns practice strict banking security
>>(see their Protection of Privacy Law, 1981 [PPL]) Under the PPL, "an
>>infringement of privacy is, inter alia, a violation of an obligation
>>to maintain secrecy regarding a person's private affairs, established
>>by explicit or implicit agreement." The bank's obligation of secrecy
>>extends not only to the details of the client's account but also to
>>all transactions related to the account In other words, if the US
>>authorities want to know about this, they can bend over while the
>>Israeli bankers drive them home.
>>
>>And if the sticky-fingered ones decide to make a quick flight to
>>Israel ahead of FBI investigators, like their new accounts, they are
>>entirely safe. Note here that Israel does not extradite its citizens.
>>But it does allow prosecutions in its own courts for crimes committed
>>abroad. None of this information is really secret but is well-known to
>>investigative bodies such as the Department of State and the FBI.
>>Currently,U.S. law-enforcement personnel and prosecutors, who fear
>>that Israeli-oriented economic criminals will use the Jewish state as
>>a refuge.
>>
>>Lehman Brothers Shipped Off $400B Just Before Bankruptcy Nice !
>>By Linda Sandler
>>September 27, 2008
>>
>>Bloomberg -- Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc.'s brokerage unit, in the
>>months before its parent filed for bankruptcy protection, lost more
>>than $400 billion in assets, according to the trustee overseeing
>>customer accounts.
>>
>>Lehman's holding company filed for bankruptcy Sept. 15 claiming $639
>>billion in assets, using four-month-old data. The wholly owned
>>brokerage unit shrank to less than $100 billion in assets from $500
>>billion ``a few months ago,'' according to a Sept. 19 court statement
>>by James Giddens, the trustee overseeing the settling of Lehman
>>brokerage customer accounts by the Securities Investor Protection
>>Corp.
>>
>>The loss in value was caused by ``changes in the market,'' according
>>to Giddens, a partner at law firm Hughes Hubbard & Reed, who spoke at
>>a bankruptcy court hearing in Manhattan. The runoff may indicate
>>Lehman's customers, including many hedge funds, canceled and closed
>>out trades as they began to doubt the firm's ability to navigate the
>>credit crunch, bankruptcy analysts and lawyers said.
>>
>>``There was the proverbial run on the bank'' at Lehman, said Martin
>>Bienenstock of the law firm Dewey & LeBoeuf, who is advising clients
>>including Walt Disney Co. on recovering their money from Lehman. There
>>was a similar capital flight from Bear Stearns earlier this year, he
>>said.
>>
>>Most of Lehman's pre-bankruptcy assets were securities, according to
>>its balance sheets. Lehman said on Sept. 10 that the consolidated
>>gross assets of the firm stood at $600 billion and net assets at $311
>>billion. The difference between net and gross is the so-called matched
>>book, which is overnight lending or securities pledged for overnight
>>borrowing.
>>
>>http://tbrnews.org/Archives/a2880.htm
>>http://www.rense.com/general83/400.htm
>>
>>http://judicial-inc.biz
>
>Very, very interesting.
>
>ted
== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 5 2008 5:32 pm
From: Brian Whatcott
On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 16:38:14 -0700, wismel@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>.... very large amounts of money from
>>>various banks and financial institutions and the owners and
>>>controllers thereof were, and are being, sent outside this country to
>>>a secure area. I am speaking most specifically of American business
>>>frantically sending, electronically, huge amounts of money to banks in
>>>Israel.
....
>>Very, very interesting.
>>
>>ted
Though this kind of piece serves the "Jews as Usurers" lobby, I
suggest we ought to be truly, truly afraid of the possibility that
some folks who are not presently pulling out their much bigger
chump-change: China and the Saudis, may soon
change their minds....
Brian W
== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 5 2008 5:59 pm
From: Brent P
On 2008-10-06, Brian Whatcott <betwys1@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Though this kind of piece serves the "Jews as Usurers" lobby, I
> suggest we ought to be truly, truly afraid of the possibility that
> some folks who are not presently pulling out their much bigger
> chump-change: China and the Saudis, may soon
> change their minds....
Lehman didn't get a bailout. They are the disconnected. Notice who is
benefiting from the 'crisis' and government intervention. The morgans
and the rockefellers. (JP Morgan Chase & citibank)
== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 5 2008 6:38 pm
From: Grizzly
Brent P wrote:
> On 2008-10-06, Brian Whatcott <betwys1@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> Though this kind of piece serves the "Jews as Usurers" lobby, I
>> suggest we ought to be truly, truly afraid of the possibility that
>> some folks who are not presently pulling out their much bigger
>> chump-change: China and the Saudis, may soon
>> change their minds....
>
> Lehman didn't get a bailout. They are the disconnected. Notice who is
> benefiting from the 'crisis' and government intervention. The morgans
> and the rockefellers. (JP Morgan Chase & citibank)
>
>
>
Yep, the same criminal cabal that brought the crash of 1929 and the
great depression..they're doing it again and they don't care who they
take down..
== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 5 2008 7:09 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Brian Whatcott <betwys1@sbcglobal.net> wrote
> I suggest we ought to be truly, truly afraid of the possibility that
> some folks who are not presently pulling out their much bigger
> chump-change: China and the Saudis, may soon change their minds....
They aint that stupid. They realise what their economic prosperity depends on, you watch.
== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 5 2008 7:27 pm
From: Brian Whatcott
On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 19:59:26 -0500, Brent P
<tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On 2008-10-06, Brian Whatcott <betwys1@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> Though this kind of piece serves the "Jews as Usurers" lobby, I
>> suggest we ought to be truly, truly afraid of the possibility that
>> some folks who are not presently pulling out their much bigger
>> chump-change: China and the Saudis, may soon
>> change their minds....
>
>Lehman didn't get a bailout. They are the disconnected. Notice who is
>benefiting from the 'crisis' and government intervention. The morgans
>and the rockefellers. (JP Morgan Chase & citibank)
>
>
Not so sure about Citibank. I bid under $4 for Wachovia, and my limit
bid didn't make it before they popped to $7 next day when Wells Fargo
made their play. Citibank sounded all hurt about being jilted, and
put a stay on the deal, though how anybody can stop a deal that costs
the taxpayer zip and values WB about seven times higher than the
Citibank rescue deal, I cannot imagine. I later heard that Buffet
had a stake. I should have guessed. That Value fox also entered
Goldman Sachs shortly after I did with a few more zeroes on the
end of his buy.
BrianW
== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 5 2008 8:57 pm
From: Brian Whatcott
On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 13:09:25 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I suggest we ought to be truly, truly afraid of the possibility that
>> some folks who are not presently pulling out their much bigger
>> chump-change: China and the Saudis, may soon change their minds....
>
>They aint that stupid. They realise what their economic prosperity
> depends on, you watch.
>
Please let you be right
Brian W
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TOPIC: Apparently 99 cents Only is really a buck now?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 5 2008 6:17 pm
From: Seerialmom
On Oct 4, 9:37 am, George Grapman <sfgeor...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> Seerialmom wrote:
> > On Oct 3, 1:17 pm, Elliott <elliott.sto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Oct 2, 7:07 pm, Seerialmom <seerial...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Not that I'll stop shopping there but 99 cents Only (sorry...normally
> >>> I'd use the actual cents symbol but I haven't figured out how to do
> >>> alt-0162 on this iMAC G3 :P) Anyway, the store still shows the big 99
> >>> Only but I must have missed the little .99 they stuck on some of the
> >>> signs inside. The register shows .99999 and that's how they're
> >>> staying under $1...sort of. All the shelf markings, however, still
> >>> show .99. According to this USA Today story it's the first time in 26
> >>> years they raised prices:
> >>>http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/retail/2008-09-08-99-cents-s...
> >> Interesting article, although it the price raise isn't really material
> >> - it's still fascinating to see that they did indeed increase their
> >> prices by effectively $0.01.
>
> > If we were still in the manual cash register age they wouldn't be able
> > to. But since the registers are all computerized it allows for the .
> > 99999 entry which rounds up to $1. Of course this means we'll also
> > pay higher taxes for those in states that have a sales tax. But
> > you're right the increase is not all that important and won't empty
> > the wallet of anyone who shops there.
>
> For a business with low margins adding a 1 percent profit on each
> item can make a difference.
True and apparently the investors were pleased with the plan. I think
it'd be fun to sit outside one of these stores and ask the people if
1. they knew the price was raised and 2. how much would something cost
if it were .9999 cents (or as they're saying on the speaker, 99.99
cents).
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