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TOPIC: Maximizing Welfare
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/9949fc83cc11aec3?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 2 2008 11:29 pm
From: Ken Lay

In article <4amrg4d6ijbrfdatb4a8eokane52o7nu27@4ax.com>,
Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com> wrote:

> One more time: keeping some of your own money is completely different
> from being handed a share of someone else's money.

Not so much when others are forced to pay your way.
--
Everybody lies. George W. Bush and Dick Cheney just suck at it.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 3 2008 9:45 am
From: Seerialmom

On Oct 28, 8:59 am, "Bob F" <bobnos...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Marsha" <m...@xeb.net> wrote in messagenews:ge5iha$5el$1@news.datemas.de...
> > Bruce C. Miller wrote:
>
> >> What US state can a single male with no kids collect the most welfare?
> >> Food stamps and other perks are a plus as well. Another consideration
> >> is any maximum limits on the amount of time you can receive payments
> >> or any red tape they put you through to get it.
>
> >> Or, if anyone knows of a state-by-state comparison of welfare
> >> benefits, I'd also be interested in that too.
>
> >> Thanks for any info.
>
> > If you wait until Obama gets elected, anyone will be able to collect for any
> > reason in any state for an unlimited amount of time.
>
> It is amazing, the lies that the republican voters will swallow. You just make
> things up and state them as fact. Over and over. As if if you repeat them
> enough, they will become real.

You mean like this G.W. Bush quote from 2005? "See, in my line of
work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for
the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda."

From: http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/blbushism-propaganda.htm

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 3 2008 9:51 am
From: Seerialmom

On Nov 1, 5:31 pm, "Bruce C. Miller" <bm3...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 28, 9:44 am, Al Bundy <MSfort...@mcpmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Bruce C. Miller wrote:
> > > What US state can a single male with no kids collect the most welfare?
> > > Food stamps and other perks are a plus as well. Another consideration
> > > is any maximum limits on the amount of time you can receive payments
> > > or any red tape they put you through to get it.
>
> > > Or, if anyone knows of a state-by-state comparison of welfare
> > > benefits, I'd also be interested in that too.
>
> > > Thanks for any info.
>
> > It sounds like you may be singing the loser's anthem before the game
> > even starts. Perhaps more facts would allow people to offer more
> > helpful ideas. Are you disabled, lazy, alien or whatever? Each
> > situation could point to different answers. Of course, we know you are
> > asking for a friend.
>
> No, not disabled. I'm just seeing what my options are, and how viable
> an option going on welfare is as opposed to working.
>
> There's a lot of overhead involved in having a job. Most people don't
> factor this in as debits against their income, not to mention the time
> and mental costs of working. I suspect if most people really thought
> about it, they would realize how little they're actually left with at
> the end of the day. Cashing a welfare check, on the other hand, is
> 100% profit (or almost, like in the case where you have to pretend to
> be looking for a job).

Why not have an accident that causes a major disability? That way
you'll collect a bigger check and won't have the automatic "stigma" of
welfare. Or you could just get one of those cardboard signs that says
"homeless/hungry" and stake your claim on a busy high-end neighborhood
intersection. From what I've seen in various news stories some of
those guys take in hundreds a day. Most goes into their arm of
course.

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TOPIC: Sound Insulate my computer?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/887848c5574eb729?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 3 2008 5:16 am
From: Jeff

MarkPHd21@gmail.com wrote:
> great ideas all,
>
> it's a new computer [very little dust];
> i don't know if the fans are noisy,
> or the fact that there are 3 of them [does it matter?]

Over time, the bearings in fans can wear (particularly cheaper sleeve
bearings) this is a noise different than the sound of air rushing.

Aside from steps to reduce noise at the source, like the fan speed
control, or possibly ducting, sound transmission is effected by density.
Lite barriers have little effect compared to heavier ones.

Jeff
>
> it was over-clocked, which i switched to Auto setting
> [3.0 now down to 2.6]
>
> i'll carefully try Fan options in the Bios,
> the SpeedFan software
> [and moving to the closet sounds interesting;
> i already have a wireless mouse & keyboard]
>
> replacing fans/power/case doesn't sound practical
>
> thanks a bunch,
> mark

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 3 2008 11:52 pm
From: E Z Peaces

Jeff wrote:
> MarkPHd21@gmail.com wrote:
>> great ideas all,
>>
>> it's a new computer [very little dust];
>> i don't know if the fans are noisy,
>> or the fact that there are 3 of them [does it matter?]
>
> Over time, the bearings in fans can wear (particularly cheaper sleeve
> bearings) this is a noise different than the sound of air rushing.
>
> Aside from steps to reduce noise at the source, like the fan speed
> control, or possibly ducting, sound transmission is effected by density.
> Lite barriers have little effect compared to heavier ones.
>
> Jeff

It's an overclocked computer, and maybe the builder didn't consider
noise. In that case, easy improvements may be possible.

Fan design can have a big effect on noise. I had a computer that came
with an 80mm, 25cfm intake fan that produced 40dBA. Some owners made
their computers much quieter by replacing this fan with an 80mm Sanyo
fan rated at 23cfm and only 20dBA. That's like somebody whispering five
feet away.

The fan cost $10 or so. Installation was merely a matter of unscrewing
the cover from the computer and releasing some plastic catches.

Another computer had a cover that picked up vibrations from the hard
disk. I quieted that by jamming some spongy material between the frame
and the cover to dampen vibrations.

>>
>> it was over-clocked, which i switched to Auto setting
>> [3.0 now down to 2.6]
>>
>> i'll carefully try Fan options in the Bios,
>> the SpeedFan software
>> [and moving to the closet sounds interesting;
>> i already have a wireless mouse & keyboard]
>>
>> replacing fans/power/case doesn't sound practical
>>
>> thanks a bunch,
>> mark

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Please visit to send free sms details http://free-bulk-sms-message-gateways.
blogspot.com/
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/21a7f1a9315a7ad9?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 3 2008 7:36 am
From: madhurimaniknepal

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 3 2008 8:18 pm
From: Zee

On Nov 3, 11:36 pm, madhurimaniknepal <madhurimanikne...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Send free sms & save money. Sending bulk free sms can be highly useful
> in your business and earning. You can send free bulk sms using bulk
> sms gateways. You can also use this facility in sending greetings to
> your friends. Please visit to send free sms detailshttp://free-bulk-sms-message-gateways.blogspot.com/

Is this spam? I don't see any ways to send free sms on the link you
provided.

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TOPIC: i-house first green manufactured home
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/884d8c7675ad7491?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 3 2008 12:33 pm
From: Zorastro@gmail.com

http://clayton-i-house.blogspot.com/

Clayton, the largest manufacturer of manufactured homes in the U.S.,
has introduced the first green manufactured home by a major
manufacturer in the U.S. They haven't priced it, but hopefully it will
be more affordable than green prefabs and designs by others in the
past.

The "i-house" is a modernist design which features bamboo floors,
point-of-use hot water, solar panel option, a roof designed for water
catchment, and a unique separate, detached second bedroom/bath unit.

The "i-house" was introduced at their show in Knoxville, TN, at the
end of Oct. 2008.

I am going to be blogging this house (link above), following articles
and developments in Clayton's entrance into "green" building. I'm not
connected to the company in any way.

I ask the question, will it be Clayton's Prius, or Edsel?

If you are interested in this sort of thing, please visit my blog page
and comment on what you think of their rad design.

Thank you.

i-house i-home ihouse ihome (this is just for search purposes)

http://clayton-i-house.blogspot.com/

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 3 2008 10:51 pm
From: "Malcolm \"Mal\" Reynolds"

Zorastro@gmail.com wrote in news:89b530a8-0f81-4600-ac50-
8d98abe2314f@u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com:

> http://clayton-i-house.blogspot.com/
>
> Clayton, the largest manufacturer of manufactured homes in the U.S.,
> has introduced the first green manufactured home by a major
> manufacturer in the U.S. They haven't priced it, but hopefully it will
> be more affordable than green prefabs and designs by others in the
> past.
>
> The "i-house" is a modernist design which features bamboo floors,
> point-of-use hot water, solar panel option, a roof designed for water
> catchment, and a unique separate, detached second bedroom/bath unit.
>
> The "i-house" was introduced at their show in Knoxville, TN, at the
> end of Oct. 2008.
>
> I am going to be blogging this house (link above), following articles
> and developments in Clayton's entrance into "green" building. I'm not
> connected to the company in any way.
>
> I ask the question, will it be Clayton's Prius, or Edsel?
>
> If you are interested in this sort of thing, please visit my blog page
> and comment on what you think of their rad design.
>
> Thank you.
>
> i-house i-home ihouse ihome (this is just for search purposes)
>
> http://clayton-i-house.blogspot.com/
>

If by first you mean something else, I guess you are correct. Here are
some others that predate your "first"

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TOPIC: Five Homeless People Found Dead, Apparently Murdered
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/8f38cdd47eb784c0?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 3 2008 1:57 pm
From: Al Bundy

On Nov 2, 6:59 pm, chriseric...@hotmail.com wrote:
> 11/02/08...LONG BEACH -- Police say five homeless people were found
> dead today, apparently murdered, in an encampment near freeway ramps
> in Long Beach.
>
Were they lost?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 3 2008 2:35 pm
From: Wilma6116@gmail.com

On Nov 2, 5:28 pm, The Real Bev <bashley101+use...@gmail.com> wrote:
> chriseric...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > 11/02/08...LONG BEACH -- Police say five homeless people were found
> > dead today, apparently murdered, in an encampment near freeway ramps
> > in Long Beach.
>
> > Read More:
>
> >http://reddingloavesandfishes.com/forum/index.php?topic=1115.0
>
> Is this supposed to be some sort of frugal urban renewal?
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Bev
> ***********************************************
> "A complete lack of evidence is the surest sign
> that the conspiracy is working." -- Tanuki

I think the moral of the story is don't skimp on housing. Location
location location.

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TOPIC: Frugal protection against burglars
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/df5ac12490b632e7?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 3 2008 3:41 pm
From: terryc

On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:37:06 -0700, lenona321 wrote:

> A house on my (normally safe) street just got robbed in broad daylight.
> The sad thing is, even if I'd been there and seen them doing it, chances
> are I wouldn't have suspected anything, since I didn't know the owners -
> or whether they were moving out or selling anything!

Lol, last time that happened here, moving van drew up nex door, I rang the
home and she answered that everything was okay. When he came home, she
and a bit of stuff had vanished. Shrug.

But yes, we do wach a little bit of what is happening in the street and
do at east have a little idea of who is moving or selling.

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TOPIC: Cork hard to come by on wine bottles?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/2b0408d66c4c1ad4?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 3 2008 4:29 pm
From: gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)

In article <834192f1-4fc2-4ef7-96b2-4f70e71751c9@i18g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
<websurf1@cox.net> wrote:
[ ... ]
>There are some times where the screw caps are always better:
>In a canoe on a calm river, with a sweetie in the bow...
>On a hillside in the cool of the evening, with a picnic basket and a
>blanket to watch the stars come out...
>An impromptu campground in the wide open desert...
>You get the idea.
>All is well, until he says, "Where the bloody heck is the
>corkscrew!!??"

>I've had to dig out a cork with a nail clippers. Kinda slows down the
>moment, eh?

Use a stick/screwdriver or similar item and a rock to drive the cork
into the bottle. Much faster, then you have to finish the bottle...

Gary

--
Gary Heston gheston@hiwaay.net http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/

Why is it that these days, the words "What idiot" are so frequently
followed by the words "at Microsoft"?

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TOPIC: Skype higher than onesuite.com
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/7af523d960b00177?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 3 2008 7:17 pm
From: Zee

On Nov 1, 12:58 am, James <j0069b...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 30, 6:17 pm, DoctorTime <doctor...@kamaloca.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > I was fairly impressed with Skype - until I compared their prices with
> > onesuite.com.
> > I already have been using onesuite.com and been happy with the service
> > but people kept telling me how cheap and great skype.com was and I
> > tried it at someone else's home and it seemed fine, quality wise.
>
> > So I went out and bought a headset/microphone for my computer and then
> > as I was signing up for skype I began to look at the rates.
>
> > What I found out is that in almost every case, onesuite.com is cheaper
> > than skype!
>
> > For domestic USA to domestic USA phones (not skype to skype but skype
> > to phone), skype is .001 cheaper than onesuite.
>
> > But for calls to foreign countries, onesuite is cheaper in most or at
> > least many cases.
>
> > So before you get hooked into the skype hype, try onesuite. With
> > onesuite you don't have to go out and buy a mic/headset.
>
> > *I do not work for onesuite and have NO personal gain from posting
> > this, I do so only as a public service.
>
> > I have not investigated other aspects of skype such as their message
> > service and so forth so maybe with other aspects of their service it
> > is still as good or better of a deal then onesuite. But for just the
> > price of calling long distance, it seems to me onesuite wins out.
>
> Does onesuite have FREE PC calls overseas?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Onesuite has a voip service with or without an incoming phone number.
If you will just use the voip service for outgoing calls then you
don't need to sign up for their SuiteAdvantage feature but if you need
a virtual phone number then it will cost you $2.95 a month.

Check the difference here
http://www.onesuite.com/access_VOIP.asp
http://www.onesuite.com/products_Broadband_Main.asp

So a Onesuite to Onesuite call is always free. It's either you use it
on softphone (SJ phones and X-lite are the 2 most popular free
softphones) or set it up on an ATA device so that you can use it even
without turning your PC on.

I agree that Onesuite's prepaid phone card service is cheaper than
Skype on overseas calls and Onesuite voip rates are even cheaper in
some countries.

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TOPIC: A trick I have learned
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/2c0cdcbfb163d5ae?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 3 2008 8:24 pm
From: Zee

On Nov 3, 11:43 am, theetheridgegr...@gmail.com wrote:
> I don't know if anyone has just walked through their house like I have
> and noticed all the things that are just clutter. So many things I
> have bought that I don't use and don't even have a clue why I bought
> them.
>
> This really bothered me for a while. I hated to just throw it away.
> Nothing was wrong with it. So this is where I discovered something , a
> way to get rid of my junk and still make a little money. Of course I
> have always loved garage sales but sometimes the weather or time just
> doesn't permit me to hold one
>
> So I discovered Craigslist. It is a free local listing for Items you
> may not want but someone else might. There are alot of people trying
> to scam you on Craigslist so make sure you never except anything other
> than cash. And be carefule where you meet them. GO to a public place.
>
> I solved the problem of my clutter and Junk while making a few bucks
> doing it
>
> Donna http://www.garagesale-tips.com

There's also this thing called ebay.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 3 2008 8:42 pm
From: dingbatydj@gmail.com

On Nov 3, 10:24 pm, Zee <zza...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 3, 11:43 am, theetheridgegr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > I don't know if anyone has just walked through their house like I have
> > and noticed all the things that are just clutter. So many things I
> > have bought that I don't use and don't even have a clue why I bought
> > them.
>
> > This really bothered me for a while. I hated to just throw it away.
> > Nothing was wrong with it. So this is where I discovered something , a
> > way to get rid of my junk and still make a little money. Of course I
> > have always loved garage sales but sometimes the weather or time just
> > doesn't permit me to hold one
>
> > So I discovered Craigslist. It is a free local listing for Items you
> > may not want but someone else might. There are alot of people trying
> > to scam you on Craigslist so make sure you never except anything other
> > than cash. And be carefule where you meet them. GO to a public place.
>
> > I solved the problem of my clutter and Junk while making a few bucks
> > doing it
>
> > Donna http://www.garagesale-tips.com
>
> There's also this thing called ebay.

The only problem with ebay is it costs money and craigslist is free

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TOPIC: Do It Yourself Doctoring – Wish List
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 3 2008 9:10 pm
From: NoSpamForMe@LousyISP.gov

NoSpamForMe@LousyISP.gov wrote:

>As to "can't do the testing and can't write a prescription" we now
>have this wonderful invention known as the internet. Except for
>schedule 2 and 3 controlled substances (mainly addictive drugs) almost
>all the rest are available without a prescription from your favorite
>Indian pharmacy and at a much lower cost too. I haven't checked on CBC
>or similar but anything that is testable from saliva or urine is also
>available over the internet, legally in most states too.

Since it seems that no one can use a search engine,

http://www.personalabs.com/index.php

does no-prescription-required blood tests.

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