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TOPIC: black mould washing machine door seal
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/640ed11ee759b1bc?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 8 2008 9:31 am
From: meow2222@care2.com

On Nov 8, 3:43 pm, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Nov 8, 9:09 am, and...@cucumber.demon.co.uk (Andrew Gabriel) wrote:
>
>
>
> > In article <1d54a282-cc94-48b7-8daf-64a3ec70c...@f40g2000pri.googlegroups.com>,
> > ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo.com> writes:
>
> > > Now dont you just think a clothes washer where you use bleach to
> > > wash, as a normal everyday additive, would have been thought about by
> > > the manufacturer.
>
> > Yes, which is why manufacturers have warned against using bleach
> > in washing machines for decades. It's brilliant for giving you
> > fractured plastic parts.
>
> > Bleach used in washing detergents (in Europe) isn't chlorine based.
>
> > (Note, I'm answering for UK/Europe as two of the newsgroups the OP
> > included are uk-based. Soap powders used in the US are completely
> > different from the washing detergents used in Europe, and machines
> > have completely different washing cycles for the two products.)
>
> > --
> > Andrew Gabriel
> > [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]
>
> And here no laundrymat says dont use the bleach we sell here. Gee my
> machine tells me how much bleach to use, and just when to add it, ON
> THE DOOR of the washer. And there aint no warning, and there have been
> no problems. These things are designed to be used, not worried about.
> It would be like saying if you have dirty stained clothes dont buy
> this machine, buy that one.

what country are you in?

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 8 2008 9:48 am
From: "Harry Stottle"

"Norminn" <norminn@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:FeudnXcjS5P0W4jUnZ2dnUVZ_rfinZ2d@earthlink.com...
>
> The light grey seal may be permanently STAINED, so even killing the mold
> with bleach may not remove the stain. Use the bleach to kill mold
> and then keep the door ajar slightly so that it dries between uses.

The seal will be permanently stained. Every time I have come across this
problem, the cause of the mould has usually been washing regularly at cool
temperatures.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 8 2008 11:41 am
From: gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)

In article <4915ab9a$0$500$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk>,
Andrew Gabriel <andrew@cucumber.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <1d54a282-cc94-48b7-8daf-64a3ec70c9f3@f40g2000pri.googlegroups.com>,
> ransley <Mark_Ransley@yahoo.com> writes:
>> Now dont you just think a clothes washer where you use bleach to
>> wash, as a normal everyday additive, would have been thought about by
>> the manufacturer.

>Yes, which is why manufacturers have warned against using bleach
>in washing machines for decades. It's brilliant for giving you
>fractured plastic parts.

>Bleach used in washing detergents (in Europe) isn't chlorine based.
[ ... ]

In the US of A, most washing machines have built-in dispensers for
chlorine bleach. Only the absolute cheapest models give directions
for when and how much to manually add.

The OP could have been a bit clearer about his location. In any case,
I concur with the recommendation to replace the seal; if it's growing
mold, it's probably decomposing and will fail soon in any case. Much
better to replace it when it's convenient, rather than after the floor
gets flooded.

Gary

--
Gary Heston gheston@hiwaay.net http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/

Why is it that these days, the words "What idiot" are so frequently
followed by the words "at Microsoft"?

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 8 2008 12:33 pm
From: "zaax"

john d hamilton wrote:

> we have got a ten year old AEG washing machine, and black mould seems
> to have penetrated into the light grey rubbery-plastic door seal.
> Is there any good way of removing this black stain please? Thanks.

Put a table spoon of vinegar in the wash every now & a again

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 8 2008 5:36 pm
From: The Natural Philosopher

john d hamilton wrote:
> we have got a ten year old AEG washing machine, and black mould seems to
> have penetrated into the light grey rubbery-plastic door seal. Is there
> any good way of removing this black stain please? Thanks.
>
>
Bleach.

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TOPIC: Do you have issues with CBS airing practice on Amazing Race show?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/04fc9a600bc65a13?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 8 2008 9:59 am
From: "John A. Weeks III"

In article
<dfa598f4-4e86-4dc2-9864-77d271576477@o4g2000pra.googlegroups.com>,
mike001e@yahoo.com wrote:

> Although in all published TV books, newspapers and the like, the
> Amazing Race is printed as to air in 8-9pm on Sundays, but in reality,
> CBS always delays it about 15-30 minutes, to the actual airing time at
> about 8:15-8:30pm. Do you have issues with that? I can¹t stand it any
> more and I have decided not to watch it again. I have not influence
> but I can at least save the 1-hour extra time on something else.

If you are not going to watch it anymore, then the problem seems
like it has been solved. No need to bother the rest of us with
your past issues.

-john-

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== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 8 2008 11:49 am
From: gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)

In article <dfa598f4-4e86-4dc2-9864-77d271576477@o4g2000pra.googlegroups.com>,
<mike001e@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Although in all published TV books, newspapers and the like, the
>Amazing Race is printed as to air in 8-9pm on Sundays, but in reality,
>CBS always delays it about 15-30 minutes, to the actual airing time at
>about 8:15-8:30pm. Do you have issues with that? [ ... ]

No. I haven't wasted any time watching it. Or any of the "survivor" shows.

Just hop over to the Weather Channel, Weather Plus, QVC, or other alternate
drivel for the first 30 minutes. Or perhaps the first 50 minutes; the last
10 is about all that will matter.

Gary

--
Gary Heston gheston@hiwaay.net http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/

Why is it that these days, the words "What idiot" are so frequently
followed by the words "at Microsoft"?

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 8 2008 1:42 pm
From: Jeff

mike001e@yahoo.com wrote:
> Although in all published TV books, newspapers and the like, the
> Amazing Race is printed as to air in 8-9pm on Sundays, but in reality,
> CBS always delays it about 15-30 minutes, to the actual airing time at
> about 8:15-8:30pm. Do you have issues with that?

No. I'm more concerned with the "real" problems that Ohio Guy has.

Jeff

I can't stand it any
> more and I have decided not to watch it again. I have not influence
> but I can at least save the 1-hour extra time on something else.

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 8 2008 3:06 pm
From: Marsha

Jeff wrote:
> mike001e@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> Although in all published TV books, newspapers and the like, the
>> Amazing Race is printed as to air in 8-9pm on Sundays, but in reality,
>> CBS always delays it about 15-30 minutes, to the actual airing time at
>> about 8:15-8:30pm. Do you have issues with that?
>
>
> No. I'm more concerned with the "real" problems that Ohio Guy has.
>
> Jeff

No everyone in Ohio is impaired, although it would seem that way judging
by the last election...

Marsha/Ohio

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 8 2008 3:18 pm
From: clams_casino

Marsha wrote:

> Jeff wrote:
>
>> mike001e@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>> Although in all published TV books, newspapers and the like, the
>>> Amazing Race is printed as to air in 8-9pm on Sundays, but in reality,
>>> CBS always delays it about 15-30 minutes, to the actual airing time at
>>> about 8:15-8:30pm. Do you have issues with that?
>>
>>
>>
>> No. I'm more concerned with the "real" problems that Ohio Guy has.
>>
>> Jeff
>
>
> No everyone in Ohio is impaired, although it would seem that way
> judging by the last election...
>
> Marsha/Ohio
>

They came to their senses in the current election, but I fully agree
they screwed up royally in the last one (2004).

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 8 2008 4:33 pm
From: BigDog1

On Nov 8, 7:59 am, mike0...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Although in all published TV books, newspapers and the like, the
> Amazing Race is printed as to air in 8-9pm on Sundays, but in reality,
> CBS always delays it about 15-30 minutes, to the actual airing time at
> about 8:15-8:30pm. Do you have issues with that? I can't stand it any
> more and I have decided not to watch it again. I have not influence
> but I can at least save the 1-hour extra time on something else.

Uh, no. It's contrived "reality" bullshit, so it doesn't matter if it
ever airs, never mind a little late.

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 8 2008 5:48 pm
From: Jeff

Marsha wrote:
> Jeff wrote:
>> mike001e@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>> Although in all published TV books, newspapers and the like, the
>>> Amazing Race is printed as to air in 8-9pm on Sundays, but in reality,
>>> CBS always delays it about 15-30 minutes, to the actual airing time at
>>> about 8:15-8:30pm. Do you have issues with that?
>>
>>
>> No. I'm more concerned with the "real" problems that Ohio Guy has.
>>
>> Jeff
>
> No everyone in Ohio is impaired, although it would seem that way judging
> by the last election...

Do you really want to discuss the sorry history of the Republican
Party in Ohio? I seem to recall the 2006 election, throwing many of
those crooks out. And I don't use the word crook lightly.

The Republican Party has been closely associated with incompetence as
well. The leaks from inside your party have said that when John McCain
went to Washington during the bailout crisis, he not only didn't have
any answers, he didn't even know the questions to ask!

Jeff
>
> Marsha/Ohio
>

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TOPIC: This works especially well as you age
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 8 2008 9:58 am
From: "John A. Weeks III"

In article
<13a3ae84-1d71-4444-a742-f8141164a478@s9g2000prm.googlegroups.com>,
phil scott <phil@philscott.net> wrote:

> Im 67 years old, and have run up a few businesses from scratch to
> modest success... and suffered the personal effects of too soft a
> life, sufficient money, then lazyness, got fat etc.

> Looking for a slothful way out leads to more decay..then collapse at
> warp speed...

So, we can mark you down as not being in the "work smarter, not
harder" category. Now go away.

-john-

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 8 2008 11:10 am
From: "Rod Speed"

phil scott <phil@philscott.net> wrote:

> Im 67 years old, and have run up a few businesses from scratch to modest success...

But didnt even end up with a house. Very modest indeed, obviously.

> and suffered the personal effects of too soft a
> life, sufficient money, then lazyness, got fat etc.

> that sequence leads to tight cash flow, or worse.

You could do the decent thing and hang yourself.

> What caused my recovery back to viability was dire financial
> straights, forcing me back to work with the tools, on jobs beyond
> my physical capability...so i was forced to eat sparingly and wisely
> (you cant work hard with a giant glob of grease in your stomach
> and arteries)... the first few days were always gruesome
> beyond belief, so bad that i coudnt even move the next day.

> but i pushed through due to dire financial necessity...
> within a month i was nearly fit again... and over the next
> 2 years I would achieve yet again economic viability.

And if you'd ended up with a house, you wouldnt have needed to do that.

> it is the sloth brought on by sufficiency that ruins a person....

You wouldnt know what real ruin was if it bit you on your lard arse.

> and the goal 'to be happy' with happyness defined as not having
> to work or be dilligent... a fatal range of miscomprehensions.

You'll change your mind when you cant work anymore medically.

> Viability, without over work, under conditions you
> can control provides the best life in my experience..

But you wont see that in the worse recession since the great depression, you watch.

In spades when you dont even have a house.

> (that rules out a job or a boss in many but not all cases.. most jobs take more
> from you than they return..I recommend self employment instead when it fits.).

Pity about the worst recession since the great depression.

> In the US many wlll be going through this...

Yep, plenty were stupid enough to not buy a house when they could.

> it will be hard for them, but the rewards are well worth it, both in
> dollars, and in fitness and health. Be sure to get plenty of rest...
> dont waste much money on junk food... eat lean, raw and well.

Makes a lot more sense for fools like you to just hang yourself.

> Looking for a slothful way out leads to more decay..then collapse at warp speed...

> hard work, but absolutely not work past an exhaustion limit (ever, not
> even for a second) , will bail you or a company out. (with companies
> its done by putting staff on incentives.. enough that they must earn
> the incentives to stay viable.... piece work for example.)

> such management has to come clean as well. those will survive... the
> rest collapse, including government as many states and citys are seeing
> now, and the largest corporations... corruption, sloth etc ruins its host...

How odd that we didnt see a single govt collapse during the great depression.

> hallmarks of such ruin by the way are visciousness, and seeking
> to trash others. (decent people dont have such needs... this is
> seem amply in individuals, corporations and government... they
> self destruct... takes about 20 years... final phase, when things
> start to get obvious, 2 years to collapse.

> Many states, corporations and govts in the US are already across that threshold.

Then just shut up and hang yourself.

> You dont have to be though... you can turn it around for yourself personally by these means.

Pity you couldnt even manage that.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 8 2008 5:00 pm
From: phil scott

On Nov 8, 9:58 am, "John A. Weeks III" <j...@johnweeks.com> wrote:
> In article
> <13a3ae84-1d71-4444-a742-f8141164a...@s9g2000prm.googlegroups.com>,
> phil scott <p...@philscott.net> wrote:
>
> > Im 67 years old, and have run up a few businesses from scratch to
> > modest success... and suffered the personal effects of too soft a
> > life, sufficient money, then lazyness, got fat etc.
> > Looking for a slothful way out leads to more decay..then collapse at
> > warp speed...
>
> So, we can mark you down as not being in the "work smarter, not
> harder" category. Now go away.
>
> -john-
>
> --
> ======================================================================
> John A. Weeks III 612-720-2854 j...@johnweeks.com
> Newave Communications http://www.johnweeks.com
> ======================================================================

I recommend working both hard and smart.... not just smart.... just
smart by itself is actually not so smart,

it turns out that without actual physical work, brain engaging type
work, both the brain and body decline,

I spend a few decades as a consulting engineer and have seen this
personally, I still consult though, but make sure to work physically
at least ten hours a week in addition to that,

***
a brief commend on sarcasm... if you find joy in that read this
article... such behavior ruins its own host

http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Bullies_Enjoy_The_Pain_Of_Others_28416.html

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 8 2008 6:30 pm
From: William Souden

Rod Speed wrote:
> phil scott <phil@philscott.net> wrote:
>
>> Im 67 years old, and have run up a few businesses from scratch to modest success...
>
> But didnt even end up with a house. Very modest indeed, obviously.
>
>> and suffered the personal effects of too soft a
>> life, sufficient money, then lazyness, got fat etc.
>
>> that sequence leads to tight cash flow, or worse.
>
> You could do the decent thing and hang yourself.
>
>> What caused my recovery back to viability was dire financial
>> straights, forcing me back to work with the tools, on jobs beyond
>> my physical capability...so i was forced to eat sparingly and wisely
>> (you cant work hard with a giant glob of grease in your stomach
>> and arteries)... the first few days were always gruesome
>> beyond belief, so bad that i coudnt even move the next day.
>
>> but i pushed through due to dire financial necessity...
>> within a month i was nearly fit again... and over the next
>> 2 years I would achieve yet again economic viability.
>
> And if you'd ended up with a house, you wouldnt have needed to do that.
>
>> it is the sloth brought on by sufficiency that ruins a person....
>
> You wouldnt know what real ruin was if it bit you on your lard arse.
>
>> and the goal 'to be happy' with happyness defined as not having
>> to work or be dilligent... a fatal range of miscomprehensions.
>
> You'll change your mind when you cant work anymore medically.
>
>> Viability, without over work, under conditions you
>> can control provides the best life in my experience..
>
> But you wont see that in the worse recession since the great depression, you watch.
>
> In spades when you dont even have a house.
>
>> (that rules out a job or a boss in many but not all cases.. most jobs take more
>> from you than they return..I recommend self employment instead when it fits.).
>
> Pity about the worst recession since the great depression.
>
>> In the US many wlll be going through this...
>
> Yep, plenty were stupid enough to not buy a house when they could.
>
>> it will be hard for them, but the rewards are well worth it, both in
>> dollars, and in fitness and health. Be sure to get plenty of rest...
>> dont waste much money on junk food... eat lean, raw and well.
>
> Makes a lot more sense for fools like you to just hang yourself.
>
>> Looking for a slothful way out leads to more decay..then collapse at warp speed...
>
>> hard work, but absolutely not work past an exhaustion limit (ever, not
>> even for a second) , will bail you or a company out. (with companies
>> its done by putting staff on incentives.. enough that they must earn
>> the incentives to stay viable.... piece work for example.)
>
>> such management has to come clean as well. those will survive... the
>> rest collapse, including government as many states and citys are seeing
>> now, and the largest corporations... corruption, sloth etc ruins its host...
>
> How odd that we didnt see a single govt collapse during the great depression.
>
>> hallmarks of such ruin by the way are visciousness, and seeking
>> to trash others. (decent people dont have such needs... this is
>> seem amply in individuals, corporations and government... they
>> self destruct... takes about 20 years... final phase, when things
>> start to get obvious, 2 years to collapse.
>
>> Many states, corporations and govts in the US are already across that threshold.
>
> Then just shut up and hang yourself.
>
>> You dont have to be though... you can turn it around for yourself personally by these means.
>
> Pity you couldnt even manage that.
>
>
And what success have you ever managed,welfare boy?

William Souden
sales fool/ race track bum

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TOPIC: The Pinballanation Gets a Dire and Critical Warning From South
Arcadfrica
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 8 2008 10:07 am
From: Ceegary

Strange that you couldn't find decent food, there's lots of great
food
available, what were you eating?

As to the original post;
I was born and raised in South Africa so feel fairly qualified to call
this
whole article a pile of s--t. It takes no account of how a minority
ruled a
majority through a total evil, inhumane system, that was suddenly
changed,
not due to Western pressure but to avoid the massive bloodshed of a
horrible
civil war. And without the goodwill and direction of Mandela it would
have
been ugly.

Apartheid as a system was doomed to failure, colonial power in Africa
and
the rest of the world was bound to ultimately unwind. History proves
that.
Common sense tells us that not all will be rosy and it might take a
long
period of time before things balance out but that does not justify the
wrong
that was righted, it merely explains it.

Furthemore, it bears little or any correlation to the situation here
in the
USA. Reprinting this raving of an uber-racist reminds of why I left
South
Africa in 1977. Obama being elected reminds me of why I am so proud
to have
become an American.

The election is finally over, I'm so sick of all the ranting, slurs,
mis-truths, hate and negativity. I never commented to any political
post
before, but enough is enough! Let's all just work together to getting
this
country and the world that we effect back on an even keel.

GRY

On Nov 7, 8:13 pm, falcon200...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
> On Nov 7, 11:15 am, Max Badazz <max_bad...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > > by Mitch Cumstein
> > > November 6, 2008
> > > BS_crap.com
>
> > I wanted to share a "story" that I read while visiting the country
> > Solenoid. I was walking down Rollover Lane when I picked up a
> > newspaper manual with an article. It talked about how the Western
> > world of Pinballanation, specifically the UnitedTilts, would be doomed
> > because video arcades were taking over parts of South Arcadfrica.
> > They are 20 years behind, with Donkey Kong and Pacman still around in
> > 48 in 1 boards. Soon the UnitedTilts would have riots on whether to
> > use white rubbers or black rubbers on Family Guy and Shrek. Writing
> > to President Stern made no difference. He was determined to produce
> > more pins, so the land of South Arcadfrica and Joystichina can keep
> > their knock off boards. :)
>
> > Chris (in NH)http://usergallery.myhomegameroom.com/gallery/maxbadazz
>
> I just got back today from South Africa. The crime is out of control
> and the country is a mess. South Africa is the stable state!! I watch
> another private aircraft come in and it had a nun on board. She had no
> legs. Blown off. The flight came in from the Rep of the Congo. No
> pinball anywhere. The food sucked.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 8 2008 10:20 am
From: Expat

On Nov 8, 7:07 pm, Ceegary <garyma...@cox.net> wrote:
> Strange that you couldn't find decent food, there's lots of great
> food
> available, what were you eating?
>
> As to the original post;
> I was born and raised in South Africa so feel fairly qualified to call
> this
> whole article a pile of s--t. It takes no account of how a minority
> ruled a
> majority through a total evil, inhumane system, that was suddenly
> changed,
> not due to Western pressure but to avoid the massive bloodshed of a
> horrible
> civil war. And without the goodwill and direction of Mandela it would
> have
> been ugly.
>
> Apartheid as a system was doomed to failure, colonial power in Africa
> and
> the rest of the world was bound to ultimately unwind. History proves
> that.
> Common sense tells us that not all will be rosy and it might take a
> long
> period of time before things balance out but that does not justify the
> wrong
> that was righted, it merely explains it.
>
> Furthemore, it bears little or any correlation to the situation here
> in the
> USA. Reprinting this raving of an uber-racist reminds of why I left
> South
> Africa in 1977. Obama being elected reminds me of why I am so proud
> to have
> become an American.
>
> The election is finally over, I'm so sick of all the ranting, slurs,
> mis-truths, hate and negativity. I never commented to any political
> post
> before, but enough is enough! Let's all just work together to getting
> this
> country and the world that we effect back on an even keel.
>
> GRY
>
> On Nov 7, 8:13 pm, falcon200...@sbcglobal.net wrote:> On Nov 7, 11:15 am, Max Badazz <max_bad...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > by Mitch Cumstein
> > > > November 6, 2008
> > > > BS_crap.com
>
> > > I wanted to share a "story" that I read while visiting the country
> > > Solenoid. I was walking down Rollover Lane when I picked up a
> > > newspaper manual with an article. It talked about how the Western
> > > world of Pinballanation, specifically the UnitedTilts, would be doomed
> > > because video arcades were taking over parts of South Arcadfrica.
> > > They are 20 years behind, with Donkey Kong and Pacman still around in
> > > 48 in 1 boards. Soon the UnitedTilts would have riots on whether to
> > > use white rubbers or black rubbers on Family Guy and Shrek. Writing
> > > to President Stern made no difference. He was determined to produce
> > > more pins, so the land of South Arcadfrica and Joystichina can keep
> > > their knock off boards. :)
>
> > > Chris (in NH)http://usergallery.myhomegameroom.com/gallery/maxbadazz
>
> > I just got back today from South Africa. The crime is out of control
> > and the country is a mess. South Africa is the stable state!! I watch
> > another private aircraft come in and it had a nun on board. She had no
> > legs. Blown off. The flight came in from the Rep of the Congo. No
> > pinball anywhere. The food sucked.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -

Well put..as if hundreds of years of actions DON'T have
consequences...sigh

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TOPIC: Best election analysis: 'GOP allowed neo-cons and Zionists to control
the party and the neo-cons/zionists lead us right over a cliff'
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 8 2008 10:22 am
From: lisajoe@privacy.net

On Sat, 08 Nov 2008 06:45:47 -0600, in misc.consumers.frugal-living JonL
<JonL@Mayday.com> wrote:

>lisajoe@privacy.net wrote:
>> Son of a Zionist Terrorist: Rahm Emanuel's Dirty Secret
>>
>
>Imo, that's not his biggest flaw, being the son of a terrorist.
>Dick Morris on Faux News knows him well. Sez even Clinton didn't trust
>him. He's a snitch, leaks to the Washington Post.

he also sat on the board of fanny may as it collapsed and they lied about it.

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TOPIC: Bean Paste and eternity.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/28d7748891bcd244?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 8 2008 10:27 am
From: lisajoe@privacy.net

in would never be safe for me with the msg in it labeled as yeasts extract

On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 13:44:34 -0000, in misc.consumers.frugal-living "john d
hamilton" <bluestar@mail.invalid> wrote:

>we have a jar of 'wok hub' *black bean paste* (mild).
>
>Here in London u.k., we invariably have information on the jar's label about
>when the contents must be *consumed by*, once opened. That's as well as the
>usual *best before* date stamped on the lid, (that's for before its opened).
>
>This bean paste is imported from Singapore and does not have any 'consume
>by' information on the label. It only says refrigerate after opening. The
>contents are listed as: black beans, vegetable oil, salt, chili, yeast
>extract, and sugar, sesame oil, and natural spices.
>
>My son takes this to mean there is no 'consume by' date applicable and it's
>still in the fridge for many months 'after' being opened. Do you think
>this is safe to use? I know some things last forever, i.e. fermented Soya
>bean paste (misdo) and pickled salt plums and the proprietor of our local
>Indian shops says his jars of pickles would last forever and is annoyed food
>regulations force him to put a 'best before' date on his pickles.
>
>Maybe the 'original market' Chinese would automatically know if it should be
>used more or less straight-away, but here in London we don't have a clue,
>and feel uneasy with my son's optimism about this paste. Grateful for
>advice on how long we can safely keep it please.
>
>

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 8 2008 3:11 pm
From: Sqwertz

john d hamilton <bluestar@mail.invalid> wrote:

> many thanks. I'm surprised it lasts that long because if i cook beans they
> seem to go 'off' pretty quickly soon after even in the fridge. Would it be
> the salt and chili that preserves the beans in this case, i wonder?

Fresh/canned beans always go bad quickly.

But Chinese black beans have already spoiled under controlled
conditions. The additives make them even more stable.

-sw

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TOPIC: What would You do with 3 trillion dollars?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/ac30cb6d09a4d06d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 8 2008 10:30 am
From: "Bob"

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TOPIC: Skype higher than onesuite.com
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/7af523d960b00177?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 8 2008 4:36 pm
From: "NotMe"

"Stephen" <stephencole7@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6988e7f7-994a-40bf-b046-db27d4daa95d@b38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 4, 11:17 am, Zee <zza...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 1, 12:58 am, James <j0069b...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 30, 6:17 pm, DoctorTime <doctor...@kamaloca.com> wrote:
>
> > > I was fairly impressed with Skype - until I compared their prices with
> > > onesuite.com.
> > > I already have been using onesuite.com and been happy with the service
> > > but people kept telling me how cheap and great skype.com was and I
> > > tried it at someone else's home and it seemed fine, quality wise.
>
> > > So I went out and bought a headset/microphone for my computer and then
> > > as I was signing up for skype I began to look at the rates.
>
> > > What I found out is that in almost every case, onesuite.com is cheaper
> > > than skype!
>
> > > For domestic USA to domestic USA phones (not skype to skype but skype
> > > to phone), skype is .001 cheaper than onesuite.
>
> > > But for calls to foreign countries, onesuite is cheaper in most or at
> > > least many cases.
>
> > > So before you get hooked into the skype hype, try onesuite. With
> > > onesuite you don't have to go out and buy a mic/headset.
>
> > > *I do not work for onesuite and have NO personal gain from posting
> > > this, I do so only as a public service.
>
> > > I have not investigated other aspects of skype such as their message
> > > service and so forth so maybe with other aspects of their service it
> > > is still as good or better of a deal then onesuite. But for just the
> > > price of calling long distance, it seems to me onesuite wins out.
>
> > Does onesuite have FREE PC calls overseas?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Onesuite has a voip service with or without an incoming phone number.
> If you will just use the voip service for outgoing calls then you
> don't need to sign up for their SuiteAdvantage feature but if you need
> a virtual phone number then it will cost you $2.95 a month.
>
> Check the difference
> herehttp://www.onesuite.com/access_VOIP.asphttp://www.onesuite.com/products_Broadband_Main.asp
>
> So a Onesuite to Onesuite call is always free. It's either you use it
> on softphone (SJ phones and X-lite are the 2 most popular free
> softphones) or set it up on an ATA device so that you can use it even
> without turning your PC on.
>
> I agree that Onesuite's prepaid phone card service is cheaper than
> Skype on overseas calls and Onesuite voip rates are even cheaper in
> some countries.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
}}
Long time Onesuite user here. I completely agree that Onesuite is
cheaper than Skype if not better. Also Onesuite's transparent billing
is very useful for those forgetful minds.
{{

The best for us was when our kids took our then one and only grand child
1200 miles away. Since they were on a church mission project they were
literally 'poor as church mice' and could not afford long distance calls. I
set up onesute on their phone so my DIL could call us at any time for either
help with the grand kid or joyous reports of each new accomplishment.

They were in rural area when all calls were toll calls and not cheap. One
suit saved a bundle.

Side benefit she could call the great, great grand parents on my dime and
talk for an hour+ for less than $2 bucks.

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TOPIC: GENUINE COUPLE SEEK YOUR HELP NOW
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/f68d3bbab1cb5874?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 8 2008 5:26 pm
From: Al Bundy

PinderA wrote:
> Seeking Help
> We have just purchased our Dream property in France where we intend to
> set up a luxury boarding kennels, However i have just been made
> redundant in the UK and have now run out of funds to complete the
> project.
>
> My Request is to see if there are any charitable people or business
> from the group that could help my wife and i to realise our dream. (We
> are Alan and Jane,)
>
> Our dream was to be realised in the Loire Valley France,
> We have done our research which proves there is more than enough
> business for our Boarding Kennels business.
>
> If sponsors can be found we would consider part of the kennels for the
> rescue of animals. Something which is sadly lacking in France.
>
> If you are an individual, vetinary or Drug business this could be your
> opportunity to test products which are to be used for animal welfare,
> all tested under your terms and conditions, and for sale throughout
> the world, alternatively you may just care.
>
> Would all potential sponsors please send details and how they would
> like to help us become the flagship Boarding kennels and rescue centre
> in France.
>
> There is a Prize for the sponsor who donates the most money.
>
> Please pay any amounts from �1.00 upwards to my pay-pal account
>
> ALANFPINDER@BTOPENWORLD.COM

If such kennels are lacking in France, maybe there is no market for
them.
It's a fine story Mr. Jackass. Sorry, the check is not in the mail.

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TOPIC: Dried up Wite-Out
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/2bd851d668f9914f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 8 2008 8:50 pm
From: "DemoDisk"

Is there anything you can add to a bottle of thickened wite-out to
restore it? I know the stuff is cheap, but then so am I, and I'm
thinking it would be nice to use up the product instead of throwing the
damn stuff out one bottle after another.

and, yes, I really really try to put the cap on tightly every single
time.

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