Frugal Living: misc.consumers.frugal-living - 25 new messages in 20 topics

Tuesday, December 9, 2008

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: Another good weekend of cheap finds
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/9e4b88c1d8c6eb66?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 8 2008 9:03 am
From: "Forrest"

"Seerialmom" <seerialmom@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:26d48682-85d9-4a83-a178-7d92f42b86bc@w1g2000prk.googlegroups.com...
> Yesterday was great! In the local paper they had another $20 off $100
> purchase at Raley's (chain in most of Calif.). Figured I'd go early
> today while it's quiet; however anything I get must be 1. needed and
> 2. a better price than I can get elsewhere. Not as easy since they
> aren't a discount store. But combining loss leaders and coupons
> should work.
>
> The other big score of the day was a Dyson vacuum in perfectly good
> working condition I found at the Goodwill for....drumroll please....
> $25! Sweet. I tested it there (it had dirt in the canister which I
> dumped and revacuumed up). My daughter was often borrowing mine so my
> plan as to give this one to her :)

Every time that I've gone to a Goodwill store, I've only seen junk for a low
price ... anything else, they want as much as it would cost new at K-Mart,
Target or WallMart.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 9 2008 8:11 am
From: meow2222@care2.com

Seerialmom wrote:

> The other big score of the day was a Dyson vacuum in perfectly good
> working condition I found at the Goodwill for....drumroll please....
> $25! Sweet. I tested it there (it had dirt in the canister which I
> dumped and revacuumed up). My daughter was often borrowing mine so my
> plan as to give this one to her :)

Unfortunately those are too unreliable to ever be frugal, even at that
price.

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TOPIC: How to report illegal aliens.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/0e121ac6ec835f2a?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 9 2008 2:59 am
From: wismel@yahoo.com

Amerians losing jobs, crime and decay, sleazy employers forcing down
wages. If they cannot speak english very good chance they are illegal
aliens esp. if hispanic. Suggest starting with phone report to ICE,

http://americanchaos.wordpress.com/how-to/

ted

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 9 2008 4:08 am
From: Globalist

On Dec 9, 4:59 am, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Amerians losing jobs, crime and decay, sleazy employers forcing down
> wages. If they cannot speak english very good chance they are illegal
> aliens esp. if hispanic. Suggest starting with phone report to ICE,
>
> http://americanchaos.wordpress.com/how-to/
>
> ted

Unless you live in bumfuck egypt there are folks around us all the
time talking another language...that is called a global village. The
preoccupation with immigrants and guns is ignorant. I suggest you
find a hobby. Maybe learning how to speak Spanish or Arabic.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 9 2008 6:20 am
From: clams_casino

Globalist wrote:

>On Dec 9, 4:59 am, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
>>Amerians losing jobs, crime and decay, sleazy employers forcing down
>>wages. If they cannot speak english very good chance they are illegal
>>aliens esp. if hispanic. Suggest starting with phone report to ICE,
>>
>>http://americanchaos.wordpress.com/how-to/
>>
>>ted
>>
>>
>
>Unless you live in bumfuck egypt there are folks around us all the
>time talking another language...that is called a global village. The
>preoccupation with immigrants and guns is ignorant. I suggest you
>find a hobby. Maybe learning how to speak Spanish or Arabic.
>
>

He's already fluent in hillbilly and red neck. Does that count?

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 9 2008 6:20 am
From: Patriot Games

On Tue, 9 Dec 2008 04:08:03 -0800 (PST), Globalist
<free.tuneup@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Dec 9, 4:59 am, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> Amerians losing jobs, crime and decay, sleazy employers forcing down
>> wages. If they cannot speak english very good chance they are illegal
>> aliens esp. if hispanic. Suggest starting with phone report to ICE,
>> http://americanchaos.wordpress.com/how-to/
>Unless you live in bumfuck egypt there are folks around us all the
>time talking another language...that is called a global village.

There's no such thing as a "global village."

>The preoccupation with immigrants and guns is ignorant. I suggest you
>find a hobby. Maybe learning how to speak Spanish or Arabic.

More useful would be to learn marksmanship skills and how to spot a
Muslim at a distance.

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TOPIC: Man Saves Subway Tons of Money Using a Hair Net
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/a78e8eb7308efcd5?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 9 2008 3:13 am
From: Salford1

On Dec 8, 3:16 pm, MSfort...@mcpmail.com wrote:
> On Dec 8, 6:07 am, Salford1 <vectisp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > For the T, big net savings
> > Repair foreman used his head(gear) to fix costly problem
> > By Mac Daniel, Globe Staff | May 4, 2006
>
> > Tom McHale is a hero at the MBTA, not for saving lives, but for saving
> > a lot of money thanks to steak tips, electrical tape, and a 5-cent,
> > fine-mesh hair cap.
>
> > The Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority -- challenged by a high
> > debt load, an aging train fleet, and opposition to a proposed fare
> > increase -- is plagued every winter with train motors failing in snowy
> > conditions. The cost to repair them is staggering, and the cost to
> > replace them is even higher. The failures on the Orange and Red lines
> > during recent winters were crippling service.
>
> > So in late 2004, after a day rebuilding or replacing such motors on
> > the Orange Line, McHale, a father of two from Reading who works as a
> > repair foreman in the Wellington carhouse, was in a Boston wholesale
> > butcher shop buying steak tips for a Patriots playoff game when he was
> > required to put on a ''bouffant style" protective cap to cover his
> > hair.
>
> > McHale, 42, said he then noticed that a nearby butcher's head was
> > about the same size as the air intake cover on the failing Orange Line
> > motors.
>
> > He bought his steak tips and pocketed the hair cap. A few days later,
> > he taped it to an Orange Line motor. Eureka! The air got in, but the
> > snow stayed out. ''It fit perfect," McHale said.
>
> > The polypropylene hair caps melted in extreme conditions, but never
> > caught fire. They could be put on the entire 102-car fleet in short
> > order. And best of all, a box of 1,000 cost $50. A bargain.
>
> > ''That's what we used to pay for them," Louis Downs, maintenance
> > supervisor for the Orange Line, said yesterday. ''Once word about this
> > gets out, we'll probably have to pay more."
>
> > Last winter, the T experienced no traction motor failures because of
> > snow, thanks in part to McHale's hair cap idea. Though conditions this
> > past season were mild, T officials estimate his solution will save the
> > agency $126,000 in repairs in an average year.
>
> > Snow has historically messed with train engines, especially on the
> > Orange Line, which runs 8.8 of its 11 miles outside and a large
> > portion of that in the walled corridors south of downtown.
>
> > Light snow is often sucked up by a moving train, goes under the
> > chassis, and is drawn into a caged air intake designed to cool the
> > motors. Over time, with stops and starts, the snow melts and refreezes
> > into 3-inch-thick squares that block the intake, causing the motors to
> > overheat or catastrophically fail.
>
> > ''You don't run your blender in the bathtub," McHale said. ''Snow and
> > these motors just don't mix."
>
> > Historically, T officials said, a major snowstorm results in failure
> > of an average 14 of the 480 motors running the Orange Line's 102 cars.
> > Rebuilding such a motor costs about $9,000. Replacing it costs between
> > $35,000 and $50,000.
>
> > On the Red Line, where service was crippled by failing motors during
> > the winter of 2004-2005, the motors are configured differently and
> > can't benefit from the Orange Line's unique solution, T officials
> > said.
>
> > Prior to the hair cap, T maintenance tried an assortment of materials
> > to block the snow, from the stuff used in Tyvek protective clothing to
> > burlap.
>
> > Nothing has worked as well as the hair cap, which is now part of the
> > T's standard operating procedure on the Orange Line.
>
> > Prior to snowstorms, ''All traction motor intake filter cage
> > assemblies shall be wrapped with a protective hair net (HELCO part
> > number KC 36809), taking care to fully cover any possible opening
> > where the ingestion of snow is possible," Orange Line operating
> > documents read. ''The hair net shall then be secured using standard
> > 1/2-inch electrical tape. . . . Protective hair nets shall be removed
> > in the spring to afford maximum cooling of motors" in summer.
>
> > McHale is being promoted and will be honored by the T today for his
> > idea, complete with a demonstration using a disassembled Orange Line
> > traction motor.
>
> > Mac Daniel can be reached at mdan...@globe.com.
>
> I think it only shows how poorly designed the motor system was in the
> first place. They always should have had an intake design that
> prevented snow from entering. How much money did they waste over the
> years before somebody recognized it? Give the guy credit, but take a
> greater amount from those dummies who made and watched the system for
> years.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

That's the problem with big companies, wasting money! If it affected
eople individually, you can bet your life there would be a lot more
vigilance.

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TOPIC: Why not a holiday from auto buying?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/9e36c73bdf3daf50?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 9 2008 3:25 am
From: Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head

> >is dead...Killed by Democrats who bashed our economy into submission
>
> idiot.
Said the apologist bootlicker.
>
> Regulation is the responsibility of The Executive.
The executive branch that caused this was Billy.
>
> It's the Republicans who pushed for deregulation,
And then, after seeing they had made a massive mistake, they tried to
correct it over and over and over again. [Only to be blocked by
Democrats]

> and it's deregulation that gave us this crisis.
Thank you billy.
>
> This is a Bush depression.
No, you sad apologist bootlicker, clearly this is the Democrat's
party. [They knew that if they fucked up the economy good enough DA
morons like you, who are largly ignorant of anything to do with
politics, would come out in force and vote straight ticket for the
party]

http://www.howobamagotelected.com/

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 9 2008 5:14 am
From: Han de Bruijn

Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head wrote:

>>>is dead...Killed by Democrats who bashed our economy into submission
>>
>>idiot.
>
> Said the apologist bootlicker.
>
>>Regulation is the responsibility of The Executive.
>
> The executive branch that caused this was Billy.
>
>>It's the Republicans who pushed for deregulation,
>
> And then, after seeing they had made a massive mistake, they tried to
> correct it over and over and over again. [Only to be blocked by
> Democrats]
>
>>and it's deregulation that gave us this crisis.
>
> Thank you billy.
>
>>This is a Bush depression.
>
> No, you sad apologist bootlicker, clearly this is the Democrat's
> party. [They knew that if they fucked up the economy good enough DA
> morons like you, who are largly ignorant of anything to do with
> politics, would come out in force and vote straight ticket for the
> party]
>
> http://www.howobamagotelected.com/

Yyyaaaaaaaaawwwnn .. USA is only interested in USA.

http://www.henryckliu.com/

Han de Bruijn

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TOPIC: How Odin Became Santa Claus: Symbolism and Pagan Origins of a Gift-
Giving Saint
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/915677537a9d5af4?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 9 2008 4:17 am
From: "James Hatten"

More of your Neo-Nazi weirdness again.

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TOPIC: 533,000 Jobs Lost While Feds Import 140,000 Foreign Workers!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/a1526898a9ebc1d2?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 9 2008 5:49 am
From: George

suds macheath wrote:

>
> -----Sounds a little like sour grapes to me.....teachers are stealing
> our money! Maybe you need to sub for a week, get a little experience....
> I'm betting you go home with a splitting headache most days....

As I said I am starting the facts. No different than stating the price
of a meal or the price of a car. I never claimed that they don't work.
But there is nothing uniquely stressful about what they do and in a
lot of cases it just isn't a bad job. I have multiple relatives and
friends who are teachers and privately they will admit that it isn't a
bad job. They officially have to whine and complain because that is part
of being a unionized worker.

Try having a responsible position where you have to deal with multiple
clients and issues where you have to work until done and you just don't
get to walk away from it all and go home at 3 o'clock when the bell
rings and you will know what stress can be.

>
> ---The summer months are not paid vacation days....
>
>
Call it anything you like but in my state the public school teachers get
a salary that is typically paid weekly. So if you have a job that allows
you to not show up for 12 weeks and be paid what is this typically
called? Or say two folks with similar credentials have $75,000 jobs. One
is a teacher and the other works in private industry. The teacher has 12
weeks that year to do as they please and the person in the private
company has two weeks to do as they please all for the same salary. What
is this time someone gets paid and gets to do as they please normally
called?

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 9 2008 6:36 am
From: "sgallagher@rogers.com"

On Dec 8, 9:49 pm, NoSpamFo...@LousyISP.gov wrote:
> "sgallag...@rogers.com" <sgallag...@rogers.com> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > By the way, there was no special allowance for dual citizenship
> >with Israel. It's just that Israeli nationality law was written in
> >such a way that it did not invoke any of the provisions that caused
> >loss of US citizenship. For example, at the time, swearing alleiance
> >to a foreign country or applying for that country's citizenship would
> >normally cause loss of US citizenship. Israeli law conferred Israeli
> >citizenship upon any Jew who immigrated there under Israel's law of
> >return, without that person having to actually apply for the Israeli
> >citizenship or to swear any oath of allegiance to Israel. Since,
> >other countries did not do this, it meant that for many years, Israeli
> >citizenship was the only one that could be acquired by a US citizen
> >(after birth), that would not cause loss of US citizenship because
> >acquisition of Israeli citizenship did not trigger any of the ways
> >that caused loss of US citizenship.
>
> Yes, yes, but this wasn't just Israel. A person born in the UK is a UK
> citizen by birth regardless of how and why they acquired US
> citizenship.

Absolutely. But, there was a unique aspect about Israeli citizenship
in that it was just about the only citizenship that could be
voluntarily acquired by a US citizen, after birth. Not because of any
special arrangement between the two countries, but simply because
Israel's laws allowed acquisition of Israeli citizenship in a way that
did not trigger any of the provisions in US law that would cause loss
of US citizenship.

So, yes, a person could be born with both UK citizenship and US
citizenship (and even be born a UK citizen and later acquire US
citizenship - more on this later) and keep both. But, it was not
possible at that time for a US citizen to voluntarily acquire UK
citizenship because it involved actually applying for the citizenship
and swearing an oath of allegiance to the crown - acts which would
cause loss of US citizenship. On the other hand, Jews who immigrated
to Israel under the Law of Return were granted Israeli citizenship
without having to request it or swear any oath of allegiance. It was
simply granted when that person immigrated to Israel.

That was the difference that existed at that time.

> About 7 years ago my wife was naturalized in the US
> (along with myself) and she now goes out of the US on her US passport
> and into the UK on her British one,

That's correct. While many people will state that you are no longer
British due to the renunciatory statement in the US naturalization
oath, in reality only British law can determine whether or not you are
British, and British law does not view the US renunciatory statement
as having any effect under British nationality law. So, you are still
British, as well as now being US citizen.

> something that saves time at the
> immigration check-in. Same deal in the opposite direction and for the
> same reason. The immigration agents are well aware of this as
> apparently lots of people do it frequently. Nothing illegal about it
> although I wonder how they match her up in their records. Maybe she's
> still in the air (many times).
>
> In Ireland (my case) you were an automatic Irish citizen if you had a
> grandparent born in the country (or in my son's case, a parent who was
> Irish by descent). All that you had to do was to pay to have the fact
> registered (and prove it) and you could get an Irish passport.

True, although in this case, Ireland did not consider the person with
the Irish grandparent to be Irish unless and until the registration
took place.

I am a multiple citizen myself, US by birth, British by descent, and
Canadian by naturalization. I hold passports from all three countries.

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TOPIC: Real Estate Inter/Nationalization, effective as of 08.08.08 (www.
grishenkoff.com/Realty.html)
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 9 2008 7:18 am
From: Prime Minister of the Kingdom of God Serge Grishenkoff

Real Estate Inter/Nationalization, effective as of 08.08.08
(www.grishenkoff.com/Realty.html)

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TOPIC: Is keeping a car 50 years frugal?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 9 2008 8:00 am
From: meow2222@care2.com

OldRoads wrote:
> On Dec 8, 3:20�pm, Vic Smith <thismailautodele...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:06:41 -0500, Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote:
> >
> > > � If you love the car, you can keep it alive for a long time. If you
> > >don't, a bad tranny or an engine rebuild or a bad fender will finish it off.
> >
> > Had an '88 Celebrity I loved. �Junked it in 2002 because of body rot.
> > 190k miles. �If the rest was good I would have gladly popped $3-4k
> > for a new engine or tranny if it needed it.
> > But the body work would cost at least that.
> > Still ran well, but everything was old, and where do you stop?
> > Sometimes you just have to let go.
> >
> > --Vic
>
> Up until a couple years ago our shop truck was a 1946. We used it for
> a couple decades and it didn't cost much in repairs, parts were still
> available and it was great advertising.
> Safety was the big problem: drum brakes, vaccum wipers, no defroster,
> etc.
> I was cheap to run, though.

Nail on the head there. There's another issue too: speed, which is a
big issue if you use it a lot, journeys can take twice as long in a
vintage vehicle. The plus is theyre great to drive, if you dont mind
all the handling problems and are in no hurry.

But the safety question really is the main deal. Old vehicles lack
very basic stuff, such as, for common examples, consistent steering
behaviour, ability to grip the road on rough patches, some have split
rim wheels, braking is often dreadful, brake fade on hills, no crumple
zones, no seat belts or airbags, no collapsible steering column,
hinged seats, etc etc etc.

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