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TOPIC: How Odin Became Santa Claus: Symbolism and Pagan Origins of a Gift-
Giving Saint
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 8 2008 4:15 pm
From: wismel@yahoo.com

On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 02:10:24 -0800 (PST), LOVE Europe HATE the EU
<zzzxtyryyetytryey@googlemail.com> wrote:

>How Odin Became Santa Claus: Symbolism and Pagan Origins of a Gift-
>Giving Saint
>by Anja Heij
>
>http://www.odins-gift.com/poth/1imoth/wildhunt2.gif
>http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/9748/santasleigh800ip3.jpg
>
>The story begins in the northern regions of Europe where the supreme
>god Odin, also known as Wodan among the German tribes, reigned. (He
>still lives among us in Wednesday, which is Wodan's day). Odin/Wodan
>was the god of wisdom, magick and occult knowledge, runes, poetry and
>war. His name means "the inspired one". Like a shaman he could travel
>in other worlds to gather more insight while his two black ravens
>Huginn (Thought) and Muninn (Memory) kept him informed about the news
>in the world. Odin was depicted as a tall, old man with a white beard
>and wearing a cloak. He rode the skies and the seas on his fast white
>horse Sleipnir with his 8 (the number of transformation) legs, while
>carrying his never missing spear Gungnir (clear and focused intent) in
>his hand. He had one eye, for he had offered the other eye in exchange
>for gathering wisdom at the well of the head Mimir (Norse
>representation of the Source) and with that he became a shapeshifter,
>able of seeing in the outward world with his normal eye and
>understanding the inward worlds with his black, removed, eye. He was
>very beloved among his friends and followers who felt happy and
>energized in his surroundings (an enlightened being?). His enemies
>however he could paralyze or kill with his sight (insight, the truth).
>Odin trained many men and women as warriors for the final battle
>against the forces of destruction in the underworld at Ragnarok (the
>Norse judgement day). His fearless warriors often painted their bodies
>black and fought in the middle of the night.
>
>The story of Odin/Wodan is the battle between good and evil which will
>stop when we finally realize that black and white are two sides of the
>same coin. Odin is a mythical representation of goodness with his
>wisdom, white beard and white horse (in New Age terms we would depict
>him as 'white divine light'). And he is wise enough to understand that
>'black' is not similar to 'dark' in the sense of 'evil and taboo' for
>his helpers are black ravens and black (spiritual) warriors. The evil
>he fights is the underworld dragon of false beliefs, untruth and
>selfishness (in New Age terms we would call this 'ego').
>(So now we have a wise, good man performing magick/miracles with a
>white horse riding the skies, a white beard, a cloak, a spear and
>black advisors/informers/helpers and he is also god of poetry).
>
>Next we go to the Roman empire where between December 17 and 24 the
>pagan Saturnalia were celebrated, big feasts with a lot of
>merrymaking, dancing, gambling, sensuality and the exchange of gifts.
>This festival was meant to celebrate the return of the sun on the
>shortest days of the year and to counteract the depression due to lack
>of sunlight.
>(Here we find December celebrations with gifts.)
>
>Time goes by. Christianity develops itself. In the 4th century in
>Myra, Turkey, a Christian bishop named Nicholas lived with a great
>reputation for goodness, benevolence and performing miracles for the
>poor and unhappy. He miraculously supplied gold to three (number of
>manifestation) girls as marriage dowries so they did not have to
>become prostitutes and he brought three children back to life who had
>been chopped by a butcher. It is not difficult to understand that
>during the poverty of the Middle Ages (also called Dark Ages) this
>bishop became extremely popular as Saint Nicholas in all parts of
>Europe. His feastday, it was said to be his birthday, was December 5
>or 6, nobody knows. There is no historical evidence however for the
>true existence of this saint.
>(So now we see a benevolent, miracle performing bishop with a white
>dress and a red cloak.)
>
>After the Reformation Saint Nicholas became forgotten in all the
>protestant countries of Europe except Holland. There he became
>Sinterklaas; a kind and wise old man with a white beard, white dress,
>red cloak, a crosier and riding the skies and roofs of the houses on
>his white horse, accompanied by his Black Jacks. Sinterklaas will
>visit you on his birthday December 5 or 6 and donate gifts. His Black
>Jacks have miraculously gathered information about your behavior
>during the last year; if it were good you will now be rewarded with
>presents, if it were bad you will be punished by the Black Jacks who
>will beat you with their rods or even worse: put you in a big bag and
>take you with to Spain, said to be the residence of Sinterklaas. The
>last thing seems to be a Christian influence: punishment by a severe
>father if you don't behave morally just. On the other hand: if you do
>behave nice you will be rewarded with sweets and gifts accompanied by
>humoristic poems that give insight in your weaknesses.
>(Here the mix becomes clear between Odin the good magician god and the
>miracles of the benevolent Sinterklaas. They both ride a white horse
>in the skies,wear a white beard, a cloak and a spear/cosier. They both
>have black helpers. They try to support goodness and dispel evil
>through knowledge. And remember the poetry part? And the blend with
>Roman influences shows itself in a December feast with gaiety and
>presents.)
>
>In the 17th century Dutchmen emigrated to Northern America and brought
>their tradition of Sinterklaas with. In the new English speaking world
>the name changed into Santa Claus. In 1930 a designer for the Coca-
>Cola Company was asked to draw attractive advertisements for this
>drink that did not sell well in wintertime. He had to use the company
>colors red and white and create some cosy type. He remembered the
>Dutch Santa Claus with his white dress, red cloak, long white beard,
>kindness and benevolence. The eight-legged horse was replaced for
>eight flying reindeer. A punishing Black Jack was inappropriate in
>this concept, so he disappeared. This new Santa Claus became a big
>hit. He became so popular that right now in Europe he is serious
>competition for Sinterklaas. That's understandable: no more fear for
>punishing Black Jacks, and you no longer have to sweat on suitable
>poetry for your gifts. And the search for human perfection of Odin?
>Well, can't we just have that as a Christmas present from Santa Claus?
>
>http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=535855

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 8 2008 4:20 pm
From: "Dave"

<EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com> wrote in message
news:ghk3q8$6i6$1@reader1.panix.com...
> In misc.survivalism Dave <noway1@noway2.not> wrote:
>
>> <EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com> wrote in message
>> news:ghbclh$4b0$3@reader1.panix.com...
>> > In misc.survivalism Dave <noway1@noway2.not> wrote:
>> >
>> > > With a budget imbalance of trillions, how do you propose increasing
>> spending
>> > > without increasing taxes? Just print more money?
>> >
>> > Generally, spending is increased without increasing income by borrowing
>> > money.
>> >
>
>> OK. I'll be gentle here, and assume that you just haven't done the math.
>> You speak about borrowing money like it's OK.
>
> I said nothing about the relative merits of borrowing vs. any other
> method.
>

Now you're being deliberately obtuse. You advocate spending more money
while the budget is already imbalanced by trillions. That means you believe
that borrowing money is a good thing. That is, unless you really are dense
enough not to connect the dots. -Dave

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 8 2008 5:12 pm
From: EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com

In misc.survivalism Dave <noway@nohow.not> wrote:
> >> Ummmm...how to say this gently? It is also a pyramid scheme. We can't
> >> artificially create jobs (like government improving infrastructure),
> >> because
> >> we need EMPLOYED people to pay taxes to do so!!! This is so obvious, it
> >> shouldn't even need to be pointed out to someone who can THINK.
> >
> > You ignore the temporal dimension.

> Oh I see... we are discussing the U.S. as it exists in an alternate
> dimension.

Dumbass.

Bye.

--
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
-- Bertrand Russel

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TOPIC: Is keeping a car 50 years frugal?
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 8 2008 5:11 pm
From: "Lou"

"Theev" <bashley101+M@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ghjiip$iat$1@news.motzarella.org...
>
>
> Lou wrote:
> > "'nam vet." <georgewkspam@humboldt1.com> wrote in message
> > news:georgewkspam-FF6CDA.15425507122008@news.humboldt1.com...
> >> It's going on 47 next year. should I keep it? What if I buy a ford and
> >> they go under. warrantee, parts service?
> >
> > Let's see, you have a 47 year old car, and you're worried about
warrantees,
> > parts, and service on a new(er) car? Whatever happens, the parts and
> > service situation would have to be easier than it is for that 47 year
old
> > car.
>
> Not necessarily. Fewer -- LOTS fewer -- things to go wrong with the
> older car, and you can fix them yourself. If you break an outside
> mirror you can just screw on a new generic one (or one from a wrecking
> yard). You don't have to disassemble the dashboard area (a $400 job 10
> years ago).
>
Well, I don't have any interest in doing maintenance and don't know much
about cars, but I don't see why you'd have to disassemble the dashboard to
screw on a generic outside mirror on any car.

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 8 2008 5:42 pm
From: gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)

In article <slrngjpjce.3os.don@manx.misty.com>,
Don Klipstein <don@manx.misty.com> wrote:
[ ... ]

> I wonder if a 47 year old car as of 2008 even has air conditioning
>(including any that has conked out). I suspect more likely not, since I
>found presence of air conditioning in cars to be selling points and
>options for new cars about 35 years ago.

My '64 Dodge Coronet has factory air conditioning, it's a basic four-
door sedan. The higher end cars had air conditioning in the late '50s.

> Keep in mind that A/C system in a car has the main good way to defog
>windows on cool/cold humid days.
[ ... ]

Oddly enough, warm air works real well for defogging windows. Since
there's a ready supply of heat available by diverting a small amount
of engine coolant through a radiator under the dash, that feature
has been available on vehicles for over 50 years.

And, depending on the climate, A/C may not be needed. I get by without
it in North Alabama, and save gas.

Gary

--
Gary Heston gheston@hiwaay.net http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/

"Behind every successful woman there is an astonished man"
General of the Army (four stars) Ann Dunwoody

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 8 2008 5:43 pm
From: Dave Garland

Don Klipstein wrote:
> I wonder if a 47 year old car as of 2008 even has air conditioning
> (including any that has conked out). I suspect more likely not, since I
> found presence of air conditioning in cars to be selling points and
> options for new cars about 35 years ago.

I suppose it depends on where you live. My current car (a 1995
purchased when it was 12 years old) is the first I've had with AC that
worked. My last one had AC, but nonworking (and my mechanic advised
against any attempt to fix old AC systems, said it would be $250 and
in a couple of months it would need another repair ad infinitum). AC
is nice, but I don't spend much time in the car (mostly I'm already
where I'm going by the time the car gets cool) and in Minnesota you
wouldn't use it more than a few days a year anyhow.

Last summer I successfully procrastinated putting the window AC in my
home office until the cooling system was over (if you have enough
fans, AC isn't that important).

Dave

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 8 2008 6:54 pm
From: "Daniel T."

Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Daniel T." <daniel_t@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > I'm not so sure about that. Also remember, it is in Consumer
> > Reports best interest to inflate the differences in quality
> > between manufactures. If the came out with a report that said that
> > all car makes were near the same in quality, no one would need
> > their magizine anymore.
>
> Aren't you the same guy who was railing about conspiracy theories in
> another thread? Sheesh, PKB.

What's your point?

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 8 2008 7:02 pm
From: "Daniel T."

OldRoads <oldroads@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 8, 3:20 pm, Vic Smith <thismailautodele...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:06:41 -0500, Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote:
> >
> > > If you love the car, you can keep it alive for a long time. If you
> > >don't, a bad tranny or an engine rebuild or a bad fender will finish it
> > >off.
> >
> > Had an '88 Celebrity I loved. Junked it in 2002 because of body rot.
> > 190k miles. If the rest was good I would have gladly popped $3-4k
> > for a new engine or tranny if it needed it.
> > But the body work would cost at least that.
> > Still ran well, but everything was old, and where do you stop?
> > Sometimes you just have to let go.
> >
> > --Vic
>
> Up until a couple years ago our shop truck was a 1946. We used it for
> a couple decades and it didn't cost much in repairs, parts were still
> available and it was great advertising.
> Safety was the big problem: drum brakes, vaccum wipers, no defroster,
> etc.
> I was cheap to run, though.

It's cheap to dress like a bum too, but does that mean your going to do
it?

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 8 2008 7:05 pm
From: "Daniel T."

Theev <bashley101+M@gmail.com> wrote:
> Lou wrote:
> > "'nam vet." <georgewkspam@humboldt1.com> wrote:

> >> It's going on 47 next year. should I keep it? What if I buy a ford and
> >> they go under. warrantee, parts service?
> >
> > Let's see, you have a 47 year old car, and you're worried about warrantees,
> > parts, and service on a new(er) car? Whatever happens, the parts and
> > service situation would have to be easier than it is for that 47 year old
> > car.
>
> Not necessarily. Fewer -- LOTS fewer -- things to go wrong with the
> older car, and you can fix them yourself. If you break an outside
> mirror you can just screw on a new generic one (or one from a wrecking
> yard). You don't have to disassemble the dashboard area (a $400 job 10
> years ago).

You can just screw a new generic mirror onto a 2008 car too. Nothing
stopping you.

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 8 2008 8:08 pm
From: The Real Bev

Lou wrote:
> "Theev" <bashley101+M@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ghjiip$iat$1@news.motzarella.org...
>>
>> Lou wrote:
>>> "'nam vet." <georgewkspam@humboldt1.com> wrote in message
>>> news:georgewkspam-FF6CDA.15425507122008@news.humboldt1.com...
>>>> It's going on 47 next year. should I keep it? What if I buy a ford and
>>>> they go under. warrantee, parts service?
>>> Let's see, you have a 47 year old car, and you're worried about
> warrantees,
>>> parts, and service on a new(er) car? Whatever happens, the parts and
>>> service situation would have to be easier than it is for that 47 year
> old
>>> car.
>> Not necessarily. Fewer -- LOTS fewer -- things to go wrong with the
>> older car, and you can fix them yourself. If you break an outside
>> mirror you can just screw on a new generic one (or one from a wrecking
>> yard). You don't have to disassemble the dashboard area (a $400 job 10
>> years ago).
>>
> Well, I don't have any interest in doing maintenance and don't know much
> about cars, but I don't see why you'd have to disassemble the dashboard to
> screw on a generic outside mirror on any car.

You don't. Any car that has a nice joystick that controls the outside
mirrors has something -- probably a cable -- running from the joystick
to the mirror, to which it is soldered. This cable passes through the
works on the dashboard -- the AC, radio, etc. The $400 was the Caddy
dealer's quote to replace that cable due to the need to remove all that
stuff to get at it.

Her 1988 Caddy uses the same system. I am really careful about
adjusting the mirrors.

--
Cheers, Bev
==============================
All bleeding eventually stops.

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 8 2008 8:11 pm
From: nada <@nope.not>

The Real Bev wrote:
> Daniel T. wrote:
>> "h" <tmclone@searchmachine.com> wrote:
>>> "Daniel T." <daniel_t@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> "'nam vet." <georgewkspam@humboldt1.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It's going on 47 next year. should I keep it? What if I buy a
>>>>> ford and they go under. warrantee, parts service?
>>>> How much does your 47 year old car cost you over the next year?
>>>> Over the next 5 years? Over the next 10 years? Compare that to the
>>>> cost of a new car...
>>> Assuming the OP isn't trolling, I'll bet the 47 year old car was
>>> built to last and might very well be worth keeping on the road until
>>> it dies.
>>
>> What does "dies" mean in this context?
>
> Something essential that can't be replaced breaks. Case in point: leaf
> springs for a 1960 Ford station wagon. The ones in the wrecking yard
> are just as rotten as the ones you have and you can't find any new ones
> no matter how hard you look.
>
There are plenty of spring shops. Most people don't need one they don't
know they are around, as well as other suppliers.
You can find all kind of repo if not OEM parts for most old American cars.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 8 2008 6:00 pm
From: clams_casino

suds macheath wrote:

> clams_casino wrote:
>
>> suds macheath wrote:
>>
>>> clams_casino wrote:
>>>
>>>> suds macheath wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In PA the union teachers have an ultra deluxe Blue Cross health
>>>>>> plan that was crafted especially just for them. There is zero
>>>>>> possibility for out of pocket expense.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---They don't pay premiums for their families?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not much around here. Full family coverage was 100% covered until
>>>> recent years, but now they are paying about 5%.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----I find that hard to believe....I have the same plan as the
>>> teachers and my premium's around $650 month....plus deductibles for
>>> any hospital stays...
>>
>>
>>
>> RI has 36 school districts- "33 of the state's 36 districts required
>> some form of cost sharing"
>>
>> "In the 2006-2007 school year, three districts — East Providence, New
>> Shoreham and Pawtucket — still did not require teachers to pay a cent
>> toward their health premium, which cost taxpayers an average of
>> $13,500 for a family plan and $5,200 for an individual plan
>> statewide". "In contrast, teachers in Barrington and Coventry paid 15
>> percent last year — or about $2,000 a year for a family plan."
>>
>> "Last year, teachers in 17 districts paid less than $1,000 a year
>> toward their family plan. Teachers in 20 districts paid $540 a year
>> or less for individual coverage."
>>
>
> ---In Miami Dade, the 4th largest district nationally, I pay a family
> rate of over $2K a year.....and 20% of any hospital costs....we have
> the same plan as teachers....

You claimed it was hard to believe full coverage was common until recent
years and about 5% is common. As noted in my referenced quotes, it's
typical around here for teachers with a statewide average salary of
about $60k to be paying only about $500 - $1000 / yr for premium
coverage where many still pay none. That's about 5% overall (plus
copayments). Statewide, non government workers here tend to pay 15 -
20% of their premiums, similar to what you are reporting. If a teacher
has a spouse with separate family medical insurance, they can receive a
sizable payment for non subscription.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 8 2008 6:04 pm
From: clams_casino

suds macheath wrote:

>
> ----Depends what they're grading.....let's say 5 periods a day, 30
> students per period, that's 150 students a day.....do you think you
> could read 150 essays in an hour? Along with gradebooks and calls to
> parents of discipline problems? And, not all teachers have a planning
> period, some have 6 periods a day.....
>
and most every teacher today has an aid - something unheard about 30
years ago. Furthermore, no teacher is receiving 150 essays every day -
most likely not even per week.

4-5 classes per day is more common around here.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 8 2008 6:03 pm
From: je12je12je@yahoo.com

What is the rationale behind "10% penalty" if pulling money out of 401
(K) or IRA before 59-1/2 years old?

People can only put money into buy stocks, but not pull money out
until 59-1/2, with false assumptions that
(1) Future tax rates will always be lower than what is now
(2) Past performance of 70 years of stock market is the ballpark
numbers of future results
(3) "Investing" returns can always compound - what if the best
approach is putting money in money market fund inside 401(k)?
(4) Long-term investment (30-50 years) is always a gain

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 8 2008 6:49 pm
From: NoSpamForMe@LousyISP.gov

"sgallagher@rogers.com" <sgallagher@rogers.com> wrote:

<snip>

> By the way, there was no special allowance for dual citizenship
>with Israel. It's just that Israeli nationality law was written in
>such a way that it did not invoke any of the provisions that caused
>loss of US citizenship. For example, at the time, swearing alleiance
>to a foreign country or applying for that country's citizenship would
>normally cause loss of US citizenship. Israeli law conferred Israeli
>citizenship upon any Jew who immigrated there under Israel's law of
>return, without that person having to actually apply for the Israeli
>citizenship or to swear any oath of allegiance to Israel. Since,
>other countries did not do this, it meant that for many years, Israeli
>citizenship was the only one that could be acquired by a US citizen
>(after birth), that would not cause loss of US citizenship because
>acquisition of Israeli citizenship did not trigger any of the ways
>that caused loss of US citizenship.

Yes, yes, but this wasn't just Israel. A person born in the UK is a UK
citizen by birth regardless of how and why they acquired US
citizenship. About 7 years ago my wife was naturalized in the US
(along with myself) and she now goes out of the US on her US passport
and into the UK on her British one, something that saves time at the
immigration check-in. Same deal in the opposite direction and for the
same reason. The immigration agents are well aware of this as
apparently lots of people do it frequently. Nothing illegal about it
although I wonder how they match her up in their records. Maybe she's
still in the air (many times).

In Ireland (my case) you were an automatic Irish citizen if you had a
grandparent born in the country (or in my son's case, a parent who was
Irish by descent). All that you had to do was to pay to have the fact
registered (and prove it) and you could get an Irish passport. You
might ask why one would want an Irish passport? Because Ireland is in
the Common Market (or whatever they call it now) and all citizens of a
Common Market country are entitled to work anywhere in the EU they
like. US and other nationals get the bum's rush. Like with the British
it helps with immigration at the airport too.

I imagine there are lots of other countries.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 8 2008 7:13 pm
From: "Daniel T."

"Dave" <noway@nohow.not> wrote:
> >
> > What do you think "natural born citizen" means if it doesn't mean they
> > were born in the USA?
> >
> > If Marie Elizabeth Elg was a "natural born citizen" despite the fact
> > that both her parents were foreigners and despite the fact that she
> > spent most of her childhood on foreign soil, why would you think that
> > Obama is not?
> >
> > http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=307&invol=3
> > 25
>
> I'm going by reports that Obama was a citizen of Indonesia and only
> Indonesia at some point in his life. If that is true, then...

No reason to go past here... First you must prove that is true.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 8 2008 7:19 pm
From: "Dave"

>> I'm going by reports that Obama was a citizen of Indonesia and only
>> Indonesia at some point in his life. If that is true, then...
>
> No reason to go past here... First you must prove that is true.

I'm not applying to be President of the U.S. Let someone who wants that job
do the proving that he's eligible. -Dave

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TOPIC: Replacement COMPAQ PRESARIO 2100 Laptop Battery
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/216154872f8df416?hl=en
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Date: Mon, Dec 8 2008 7:06 pm
From: Zanasil

Overview:
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TOPIC: New and cheap INSPIRON 6000 laptop battery,for sales
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/7ad14cdad75f96a8?hl=en
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Date: Mon, Dec 8 2008 7:13 pm
From: Zanasil

Hi,
We provide inspiron 6000 battery for your Christmas stocking,cheap and
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Description:
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TOPIC: Another good weekend of cheap finds
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/9e4b88c1d8c6eb66?hl=en
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Date: Mon, Dec 8 2008 9:03 am
From: "Forrest"

"Seerialmom" <seerialmom@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:26d48682-85d9-4a83-a178-7d92f42b86bc@w1g2000prk.googlegroups.com...
> Yesterday was great! In the local paper they had another $20 off $100
> purchase at Raley's (chain in most of Calif.). Figured I'd go early
> today while it's quiet; however anything I get must be 1. needed and
> 2. a better price than I can get elsewhere. Not as easy since they
> aren't a discount store. But combining loss leaders and coupons
> should work.
>
> The other big score of the day was a Dyson vacuum in perfectly good
> working condition I found at the Goodwill for....drumroll please....
> $25! Sweet. I tested it there (it had dirt in the canister which I
> dumped and revacuumed up). My daughter was often borrowing mine so my
> plan as to give this one to her :)

Every time that I've gone to a Goodwill store, I've only seen junk for a low
price ... anything else, they want as much as it would cost new at K-Mart,
Target or WallMart.

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