Frugal Living: misc.consumers.frugal-living - 25 new messages in 12 topics

Saturday, December 27, 2008

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TOPIC: Why don't camera reviews cover the data connection to the PC?
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 26 2008 11:38 pm
From: John Navas

On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 23:29:47 -0800, Pat Cheney <pcheney@ymail.com> wrote
in <KRk5l.11147$x%.3828@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com>:

>On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 23:02:49 -0800, John Navas wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately, that misses the point of having a dual connector. Had
>> Casio used standard Mini-USB, then it would have had to make room and
>> cost for another connector for A/V.
>
>Hi John,
>Yes. This is well known to you that a dual-purpose camera port can't
>possibly use the mini-USB connector ... even if the Camera manufacturer
>says it's a USB port ... but I would guess it is not well known to the rest
>of us.

It is well-known, and what Casio said is correct.

>Now that we know a dual port can't possibly be mini-USB or micro-USB even
>though it says it's USB, we can now steer clear of any camera that uses a
>single port for AV and USB purposes.

That makes no sense to me.

>That's the secret decoder ring we needed!

It's not a secret, no matter what you think.

>In my particular case, I have never used the supplied AV cable with any
>camera (I have a stack of them in a box somewhere), including the days when
>the kids were young and I used the old-style tape-based video cameras.

Part of why you're uninformed and mistaken.

>So, I learned from you John, for which I thank you.

You're welcome.

>For me, if it says it handles both AV and USB in the same port, I don't
>want that camera!

Suit yourself, but I think that's a poor primary criterion.

>Had we only known before we bought the camera (sorry, I still fault the
>reviewers for not making what is obvious to you clear to us).

You do yourself no credit by being unwilling to take responsibility for
your own mistaken assumption that you could and should have easily
checked before purchase, but failed to do so. I'm shaking my head.

--
Very best wishes for the holiday season and for the coming new year,
John

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 27 2008 9:29 am
From: Marco Tedaldi

John Navas schrieb:

>> Yes. This is well known to you that a dual-purpose camera port can't
>> possibly use the mini-USB connector ... even if the Camera manufacturer
>> says it's a USB port ... but I would guess it is not well known to the rest
>> of us.
>
> It is well-known, and what Casio said is correct.
>
Even it it is well know it is not really true. But I'm sure you've read
my replies by now :-)
It IS possible to make dual use of the signal lines of an standard usb
connector. It just needs some additional circuitry. And this costs some
money. A special connector on the other hand does not seem to cos much
more than a standard connector (if used in big enough quantities).

[rest snipped away since it's based on a not necessary true assumption]

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== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 27 2008 9:54 am
From: John Navas

On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 18:29:17 +0100, Marco Tedaldi
<news0708.kruemi@spamgourmet.com> wrote in
<gj5ohh$vbf$1@reader.motzarella.org>:

>John Navas schrieb:
>
>>> Yes. This is well known to you that a dual-purpose camera port can't
>>> possibly use the mini-USB connector ... even if the Camera manufacturer
>>> says it's a USB port ... but I would guess it is not well known to the rest
>>> of us.
>>
>> It is well-known, and what Casio said is correct.
>>
>Even it it is well know it is not really true. But I'm sure you've read
>my replies by now :-)
>It IS possible to make dual use of the signal lines of an standard usb
>connector. It just needs some additional circuitry. And this costs some
>money. A special connector on the other hand does not seem to cos much
>more than a standard connector (if used in big enough quantities).

It more a matter of risk and harm and support issues when you put the
wrong signals on a standard USB connector. It's generally a bad idea to
do something like that, avoided by better manufacturers.

--
Very best wishes for the holiday season and for the coming new year,
John

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 27 2008 10:15 am
From: SMS

Marco Tedaldi wrote:

> It IS possible to make dual use of the signal lines of an standard usb
> connector. It just needs some additional circuitry. And this costs some
> money. A special connector on the other hand does not seem to cos much
> more than a standard connector (if used in big enough quantities).

The increase in circuitry cost is minimal if they're doing a custom IC
for the camera anyway. The sense pin is present on the 5 pin mini-USB
connector already.

I did a design of an IC where the floppy disc controller pins were
shared with the parallel port signals, and the floppy signals were
routed out those pins when another pin was grounded. It was for a
notebook computer maker that wanted to have an external floppy drive,
but not add any extra connectors. As long as a normal printer cable was
plugged in, the floppy signals never appeared on the pins. Plug in the
floppy, and and ungrounded ground pin on the laptop side was pulled high
and the floppy signals were routed to the pins.

I didn't like the whole idea. If a printer cable manufacturer had
cheaped out and not included all the ground wires in the Centronics
cable then it would have been bad. But apparently my fears were
ungrounded (no pun intended) as the system worked well, and it was big
selling point for this company to be able to offer floppy support on its
small notebooks (this was before USB came along).

If camera makers want to do this sort of thing, then they should
standardize the mini-USB-AV cable among brands.

I would probably not buy a camera with the type of connector Casio used
because I hate proprietary cables and having to carry them around.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 27 2008 10:36 am
From: John Navas

On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 10:15:02 -0800, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote in <Ufu5l.9751$as4.4455@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com>:

>Marco Tedaldi wrote:
>
>> It IS possible to make dual use of the signal lines of an standard usb
>> connector. It just needs some additional circuitry. And this costs some
>> money. A special connector on the other hand does not seem to cos much
>> more than a standard connector (if used in big enough quantities).
>
>The increase in circuitry cost is minimal if they're doing a custom IC
>for the camera anyway. The sense pin is present on the 5 pin mini-USB
>connector already.

It's not a "sense pin" and doesn't work that way -- it's the ID pin.

>If camera makers want to do this sort of thing, then they should
>standardize the mini-USB-AV cable among brands.

There's really no need to do that.

>I would probably not buy a camera with the type of connector Casio used
>because I hate proprietary cables and having to carry them around.

Not a big deal. No need to carry a cable at all.

--
Very best wishes for the holiday season and for the coming new year,
John

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TOPIC: Your home very likely contains products created by slave labor.
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 27 2008 12:15 am
From: Elesee

On Dec 26, 10:04 pm, ultim...@gmail.com wrote:
> http://socialinvest.org/directory/
>
> Who Uses Slave Labor?
> Forced labor has become both a form a torture and a source of great
> profit for China. ...

Tell it to China. Tell it Brazil. Maybe you can petition these
countries to flag these products with, "Made by slaves."

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 27 2008 7:02 am
From: George

Stan de SD wrote:
>> The charcoal he and the other labourers produce by burning scraps of
>> hardwood will be trucked south to a blast furnace that's six hours
>> away. It will be used there to make pig iron, a basic ingredient of
>> steel. That pig iron will be purchased by brokers, sold to steelmakers
>> and foundries and then purchased by some of the world's largest
>> companies for use in cars, tractors, sinks and refrigerators made for
>> US consumers.
>
> I don't suppose you have ever seen the inside of a modern steel mill,
> or any other type of large-scale industry. Steelmaking is a tightly
> controlled process, necessary to ensure proper chemical composition,
> hardness, ductility, etc. I seriously doubt that charcoal is being
> used for the coking process, as carbon content is super-critical. Most
> steel is made in electric arc furnaces nowadays, so the charcoal isn't
> being used as a heat source. Methinks you're being fed a line of BS by
> someone...

What they described is accurate and is totally different than what you
described (which is also quite accurate).

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 27 2008 10:38 am
From: Patriot Games

On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 22:04:33 -0800 (PST), ultimauw@gmail.com wrote:
>Re: Your home very likely contains products created by slave labor.

No. Not "very likely."

I absolutely GUARANTEE my home contains products made by slaves
because I ALWAYS look for products made by slaves FIRST.

I love having products made by slaves!

I love having slaves make products for me!

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 27 2008 12:23 am
From: Elesee

On Dec 26, 10:15 pm, ultim...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Dec 24, 12:34 pm, "Strider" <fgevqre1...@tznvy.pbz> wrote:
>
> bee ess article deleted

>
> > Strider
>
> The Orthodox Capitalists who love to crow about how the homeless are
> druggies, idiots, immoral sub human creatures need to take note of
> this and realize that they too may be walking the streets eating out
> of soup kitchens if/when their company decides to close down, and
> sometimes close down abruptly.- Hide quoted text -
>

So, what do the un-Orthodox Capitalists say?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 27 2008 7:08 am
From: George

Stan de SD wrote:

>
> If you don't like America and/or free-market economics yourself, fine.

But that is just a myth. I am a conservative and I do like America

If we had free market economics the Congress wouldn't have just voted to
pick our pockets to bail out the fat cats on wall street and in the
banking industry. Those folks would have done the right thing and walked
away in embarrassment and shame to try again. Same with the "big three"
Rick Wagoner would have fallen on his sword, the lights at gm would go
dim and a better version would rise from the ashes.

We do not have a free-market in the US.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 27 2008 12:42 am
From: Elesee

On Dec 26, 9:39 am, James <j0069b...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> In August my Chase card changed from 21% to 16%+prime. I don't know
> what prime is but I assume it must be a lot lower now than August.
>
> What is your interest rate now?

I use MC and Visa, and I don't know. Visa gives me an annual rebate,
so I guess they're paying me. Not paying off credit card balances on a
monthly basis seems a very unfrugal way to live.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 27 2008 5:59 am
From: Goomba

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 27 2008 6:24 am
From: "NancyR"

> 99-Cents-Only Stores are really good. Dollar Tree not so much.
Dollar Tree does have good inkjet photo paper. The 4 x 6 pack has 20 sheets
& the 8.5 x 11 has 8 sheets. The other stores of this type may also have
photo paper, but none are anywhere close to me.

Nancy

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 27 2008 10:27 am
From: val189

On Dec 26, 4:44 pm, The Real Bev <bashley...@gmail.com> wrote:
> val189 wrote:
> > With inflation, I wouldn't expect to find much for 99 cents. Since
> > their goods are mostly junk, I don't even bother shopping there.
>
> That's pure snobbery and indicates that you never even tried. Give it a
> shot, it's not likely to kill you.
>
> 99-Cents-Only Stores are really good. Dollar Tree not so much.
> Big!Lots sucks. There are three or four 99-Cents-Only Stores within
> bicycle distance of my house. WOO-HOO!
>
> Shampoo is shampoo and hand lotion is hand lotion; pick the scent you
> like. Standard brands of toothpaste -- Colgate, Crest, etc. Morell hot
> dogs and sausage. Milk (yeah, I saw the Simpsons with the rat dairy).
> American sunblock, just with a short use-by date. Nexcare duct-tape
> band-aids (yeah, they really DO stick well). Tons of fun stuff.
>
> --
> Cheers, Bev

Oh Bev - it's NOT snobbery. It's experience. Watered down dish
liquid, knockoff stuff - I've been stuck before. Try a quality salon
shampoo someday and see the difference. See how a dime size amount
goes far. RIght now I can get a BOGO on a salon shampoo and the two
bottles will last prob. into 2010.

Big Lots and their ilk are another story. I cruise mine once a week
and find good deals if I really search. Recently DeCecco pasta - 1.30.
It's 3.99 in my supermkt.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 27 2008 10:38 am
From: The Real Bev

terry wrote:

> On Dec 26, 6:44 pm, The Real Bev <bashley...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> val189 wrote:
>> > With inflation, I wouldn't expect to find much for 99 cents. Since
>> > their goods are mostly junk, I don't even bother shopping there.
>>
>> That's pure snobbery and indicates that you never even tried. Give it a
>> shot, it's not likely to kill you.
>>
>> 99-Cents-Only Stores are really good. Dollar Tree not so much.
>> Big!Lots sucks. There are three or four 99-Cents-Only Stores within
>> bicycle distance of my house. WOO-HOO!
>>
>> Shampoo is shampoo and hand lotion is hand lotion; pick the scent you
>> like. Standard brands of toothpaste -- Colgate, Crest, etc. Morell hot
>> dogs and sausage. Milk (yeah, I saw the Simpsons with the rat dairy).
>> American sunblock, just with a short use-by date. Nexcare duct-tape
>> band-aids (yeah, they really DO stick well). Tons of fun stuff.
>
> Dish detergent washes hair extremely well.

I used to use Dawn with no problems. It doesn't smell good, though.
Crystal Light (REALLY cheap) is just as good, and there used to be a
non-lemon version. I decided that since I use 1 or 2 tablespoons per
week, economy is not necessarily all that important. This, however,
does NOT mean I buy the expensive "high-end" stuff that contains the
same stuff as the cheap stuff.

> It's hard these days though
> to find any that DOES NOT have that artficial 'lemony' smell. YUK!

I bought some 99-cent strawberry-flavor shampoo which I really liked. 6
months later they didn't have it any more. Rule: if you like something
but several NOW.

> Same with clothes washing detergent; hard to find cheap detergent
> without that lemon scented odour!

Kirkland Tide-analog is fine.

> PS. Don't use higly coloured dish detergent; it amy laeve acoloured
> scum that's ahrder to clean off, although that may depend on your
> water hardness or otherwise.

Yeah, like I'd notice!

--
Cheers, Bev
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Children, your performance was miserable. Your parents will all
receive phone calls instructing them to love you less.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 27 2008 10:41 am
From: The Real Bev

Goomba wrote:

> terry wrote:
>
>> Dish detergent washes hair extremely well. It's hard these days though
>> to find any that DOES NOT have that artficial 'lemony' smell. YUK!
>
> I've never seen anyone who claimed such a thing have nice looking hair,
> actually.

It probably means that people who use detergent to wash their hair visit
the barber/beauty shop only when their hair gets in their eyes and get
only a haircut AND that you regard unstyled hair as not nice-looking.

<sigh> Some people are just SO shallow...

--
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 27 2008 7:39 am
From: MSfortune@mcpmail.com

On Dec 27, 2:28 am, meow2...@care2.com wrote:
> MSfort...@mcpmail.com wrote:
> > James wrote:
> > > I see many good TV's on curbs because of the new flat TV's as well as
> > > HDTV standard. Why not pick up a good free TV and just buy a
> > > convertion box?
>
> > > My next door neighbor tossed a very good TV but I wasn't thinking at
> > > the time. Of course it was taken by the time I decided to take it.
>
> > Sure it will work, but does that make it cheap? I have not done a
> > comparison on power with the new TV's versus a CRT, but I did before
> > purchasing this monitor. The new monitor uses 35W and the old one used
> > 275W. By the time the warranty is up on the new monitor, it will have
> > saved the price compared to what the old tube used. I pitched it like
> > an old TV.
>
> Most CRT monitors eat more like 70w, and even with extensive use the
> extra power they eat compared to an LCD is only a small fraction of
> the cost of going LCD. TV power use is similar - you'd need a real
> monster to eat 275w, and even then that would most likely be max power
> at cinema volume levels rather than mean power, so the wrong figure
> for comparison.
>
> NT

I have a stack of CRTs here and not one under 250W. No, I do not have
any 12" Apple 2e models though.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 27 2008 10:16 am
From: "TKM"

<MSfortune@mcpmail.com> wrote in message
news:0f6fe883-4cef-436f-a832-04fe4750a7df@w1g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> James wrote:
>> I see many good TV's on curbs because of the new flat TV's as well as
>> HDTV standard. Why not pick up a good free TV and just buy a
>> convertion box?
>>
>> My next door neighbor tossed a very good TV but I wasn't thinking at
>> the time. Of course it was taken by the time I decided to take it.
>
> Sure it will work, but does that make it cheap? I have not done a
> comparison on power with the new TV's versus a CRT, but I did before
> purchasing this monitor. The new monitor uses 35W and the old one used
> 275W. By the time the warranty is up on the new monitor, it will have
> saved the price compared to what the old tube used. I pitched it like
> an old TV.

But do check the wattage. A plasma flat-screen TV can use 200-400 watts.

TKM

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TOPIC: What minor frugal change did you make this year?
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 27 2008 8:39 am
From: phil scott

On Dec 26, 11:06 am, val189 <gwehr...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> On Dec 24, 6:39 pm, info_at_1-script_dot_...@foo.com (spendwize.com)
> wrote:
>
> > Letting the power company turn off your water heater and a/c at their will
> > could be risky. It is possible that if you request that they turn either
> > back on you could be hit with a reconnect or restart charge.
>
> No - I don't do any requesting. They remotely disrupt the water
> heater and a/c for no more than 15 minutes at a time, no more than x
> number of times a day ( I forget how often), and there's an annual
> limit too. It's all done remotely by the power company. I never
> notice these interruptions. There was absolutely no fee to set this
> up either. Win - win.

I think you get a 10% rate cut as a reward also?

On an oposite front... PG and E (pacific gas and electric) in calif..
has 3 tier rates for homes, but not businesses. business gets the
low rates.

Homes the the low rate for their 'base use', (set at enough to run yer
cell phone charger and the bathroom lights if you down dwandle in the
john). 11 cents a KWH,
if you go over that you hit the mid rate range, amost doulbe in most
cases, so that ends up to be the effective rate if you are furgal as
hell...if you use such things as a TV, hair drier and portch light,
you hit the 35 cents a Kwh range... this has doubled or tripled most
peoples bill since it was instituted.

Frugally speaking you must declare your home to be a business,
accounting, on line services, HQ for your contracting, baby sitting or
drug running operation... then you get the low rates.

Phil scott

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 27 2008 8:58 am
From: George

phil scott wrote:
> On Dec 26, 11:06 am, val189 <gwehr...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> On Dec 24, 6:39 pm, info_at_1-script_dot_...@foo.com (spendwize.com)
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Letting the power company turn off your water heater and a/c at their will
>>> could be risky. It is possible that if you request that they turn either
>>> back on you could be hit with a reconnect or restart charge.
>> No - I don't do any requesting. They remotely disrupt the water
>> heater and a/c for no more than 15 minutes at a time, no more than x
>> number of times a day ( I forget how often), and there's an annual
>> limit too. It's all done remotely by the power company. I never
>> notice these interruptions. There was absolutely no fee to set this
>> up either. Win - win.
>
> I think you get a 10% rate cut as a reward also?
>
>
> On an oposite front... PG and E (pacific gas and electric) in calif..
> has 3 tier rates for homes, but not businesses. business gets the
> low rates.

I was just looking at the pge residential tariff:

http://www.pge.com/tariffs/tm2/pdf/ELEC_SCHEDS_E-1.pdf

It lists 10 different baseline region territories but doesn't describe
where they are. What makes these regions unique?

The electric rates in our part of PA are on the low side. We typically
use ~470 kwh/month. I picked a median baseline and the multiplier for
exceeding the baseline and it is comparable to what we pay.

>
> Homes the the low rate for their 'base use', (set at enough to run yer
> cell phone charger and the bathroom lights if you down dwandle in the
> john). 11 cents a KWH,
> if you go over that you hit the mid rate range, amost doulbe in most
> cases, so that ends up to be the effective rate if you are furgal as
> hell...if you use such things as a TV, hair drier and portch light,
> you hit the 35 cents a Kwh range... this has doubled or tripled most
> peoples bill since it was instituted.
>
>
> Frugally speaking you must declare your home to be a business,
> accounting, on line services, HQ for your contracting, baby sitting or
> drug running operation... then you get the low rates.
>
>
> Phil scott

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 27 2008 10:19 am
From: SMS

OhioGuy wrote:

> So that's a couple of small changes we have made. How about you?

Switched from NFC to FC for OJ.

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TOPIC: Compact Flourescent bulbs
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/c541905216cc4817?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 27 2008 10:16 am
From: "TKM"

"Macuser" <spamisaluncheon@meat.com> wrote in message
news:3az4l.991$Es4.760@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
>I heard the big story about CF light bulbs having mercury, long after I had
>a broken one, or two, and cleaned up the mess with an ordinary broom and
>dust pan. Nobody died. Ignorance is bliss, I guess.
>
> --
> http://cashcuddler.com
>
> "Thrift is sexy." ;)

The potential for mercury poisoning from a broken CFL is, IMHO, overblown.
Yes, children are more sensitive to mercury and so a clean-up in a house
with children should be prompt and thorough. In other cases, however,
follow common-sense recommendations. The best that I've found are at:
http://www.epa.gov/mercury/index.htm and for CFLs specifically at:
http://www.epa.gov/mercury/spills/index.htm#fluorescent

TKM

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 27 2008 10:31 am
From: The Real Bev

Rod Speed wrote:

> The Real Bev wrote
>> The Real Bev wrote
>
>>> Who among us has not thrown out better stuff than this?
>
>>> http://stores.ebay.com/KPsurplusDotCom
>
>> They have lots of exotic stuff that we wouldn't be likely to have used, but what caught my attention was the
>> Racal-Vadic acoustic modem for $519.00.
>
> I've go one of those, different brand.

I've got two of a different brand, brand new, in boxes. Just wait, when
the broadband system collapses I'LL BE READY!

--
Cheers, Bev
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Children, your performance was miserable. Your parents will all
receive phone calls instructing them to love you less.

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