Frugal Living: misc.consumers.frugal-living - 25 new messages in 8 topics

Saturday, December 27, 2008

misc.consumers.frugal-living - 25 new messages in 8 topics - digest

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TOPIC: .99 store complaint
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 27 2008 10:41 am
From: The Real Bev

Goomba wrote:

> terry wrote:
>
>> Dish detergent washes hair extremely well. It's hard these days though
>> to find any that DOES NOT have that artficial 'lemony' smell. YUK!
>
> I've never seen anyone who claimed such a thing have nice looking hair,
> actually.

It probably means that people who use detergent to wash their hair visit
the barber/beauty shop only when their hair gets in their eyes and get
only a haircut AND that you regard unstyled hair as not nice-looking.

<sigh> Some people are just SO shallow...

--
Cheers, Bev
===============================================================
Children, your performance was miserable. Your parents will all
receive phone calls instructing them to love you less.

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 27 2008 11:28 am
From: "Rod Speed"

terry wrote:
> On Dec 26, 6:44 pm, The Real Bev <bashley...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> val189 wrote:
>>> With inflation, I wouldn't expect to find much for 99 cents. Since
>>> their goods are mostly junk, I don't even bother shopping there.
>>
>> That's pure snobbery and indicates that you never even tried. Give
>> it a shot, it's not likely to kill you.
>>
>> 99-Cents-Only Stores are really good. Dollar Tree not so much.
>> Big!Lots sucks. There are three or four 99-Cents-Only Stores within
>> bicycle distance of my house. WOO-HOO!
>>
>> Shampoo is shampoo and hand lotion is hand lotion; pick the scent you
>> like. Standard brands of toothpaste -- Colgate, Crest, etc. Morell
>> hot dogs and sausage. Milk (yeah, I saw the Simpsons with the rat
>> dairy). American sunblock, just with a short use-by date. Nexcare
>> duct-tape band-aids (yeah, they really DO stick well). Tons of fun stuff.

> Dish detergent washes hair extremely well.

Lot cheaper to keep it short and use ordinary soap.

> It's hard these days though to find any that DOES NOT have that artficial 'lemony' smell. YUK!

I use Pears Transparent for that reason, the only one that doesnt stink.

> Same with clothes washing detergent; hard to find
> cheap detergent without that lemon scented odour!

> PS. Don't use higly coloured dish detergent; it amy laeve
> acoloured scum that's ahrder to clean off, although that
> may depend on your water hardness or otherwise.

Another good reason to use ordinary soap.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 27 2008 2:17 pm
From: Evelyn Leeper

The Real Bev wrote:
> terry wrote:
>
>> It's hard these days though
>> to find any that DOES NOT have that artficial 'lemony' smell. YUK!
>
> I bought some 99-cent strawberry-flavor shampoo which I really liked. 6
> months later they didn't have it any more. Rule: if you like something
> but several NOW.

Yeah, it took me *ages* to find more of the almond-scented soap I liked.
(I'm not thrilled about the "fruity" ones that seem to be all most of
the stores have.)

--
Evelyn C. Leeper
Be braver. You cannot cross a chasm in two small jumps.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 27 2008 6:10 pm
From: The Real Bev

Dave Garland wrote:

> Seerialmom wrote:
>
>> I think the OP meant the stores says "Dollar Store" but sells many
>> items "above" that price.
>
> Oh, I know. I was just tweaking them a little while answering. AFAIK
> nothing sold by Dollar Tree is more than a buck. A lot of the
> merchandise is housebrand. And some good deals... cheap hot sauce is
> usually terrible, but their habanero sauce is big bottles and pretty
> good; velcro cable ties in packages of 7, they're still a good deal
> even if the velcro comes unglued on one or two; multibit screwdrivers
> for car & toolbox, if you lose it you're not out much; cheapest place
> I know of for pretzel nuggets (14oz bags); aluminum foil pans at half
> the price of the big supermarket; sunglasses and readers.

I've bought really nice readers there -- spring hinges, no sharp edges.
The lenses have always been perfectly fine, but it's easy to tell if
they're not. Some people worry way too much about cheap stuff being
poor quality. According to the opticians who post in an appropriate
group, "good" frames are incredibly cheap in bulk ($.50-$2).

--
Cheers, Bev
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Children, your performance was miserable. Your parents will all
receive phone calls instructing them to love you less.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 27 2008 6:17 pm
From: The Real Bev

Seerialmom wrote:

> Big Lots! doesn't "always" suck; but if I can get the same item @ 99
> cent Only instead of Big Lots! I will....since I know it'll be
> cheaper. But if we want to talk about cheap stores that generally
> suck, "Stupid Prices" is my vote getter.

Never heard of that store. Where are they?

> Most of the stuff there is
> overstock from Costco or freight damage. I rarely get anything while
> there and I get rather annoyed when I see something like Lysol wipes
> and a sticker saying "regular price $9, your price $4.50" when the
> actual "regular price" is more like $5 (so I'm expecting half of that).

We had a '99% 99cents' store here for about a year before it went
belly-up. The good thing about REAL dollar stores is that you don't
have to wonder about the price :-)

--
Cheers, Bev
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"Is there any way I can help without actually getting involved?"
-- Jennifer, WKRP

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 27 2008 7:01 pm
From: Seerialmom

On Dec 27, 6:17 pm, The Real Bev <bashley...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Seerialmom wrote:
> > Big Lots! doesn't "always" suck; but if I can get the same item @ 99
> > cent Only instead of Big Lots! I will....since I know it'll be
> > cheaper. But if we want to talk about cheap stores that generally
> > suck, "Stupid Prices" is my vote getter.
>
> Never heard of that store. Where are they?
>
> > Most of the stuff there is
> > overstock from Costco or freight damage. I rarely get anything while
> > there and I get rather annoyed when I see something like Lysol wipes
> > and a sticker saying "regular price $9, your price $4.50" when the
> > actual "regular price" is more like $5 (so I'm expecting half of that).
>
> We had a '99% 99cents' store here for about a year before it went
> belly-up. The good thing about REAL dollar stores is that you don't
> have to wonder about the price :-)
>
> --
> Cheers, Bev
> ================================================================
> "Is there any way I can help without actually getting involved?"
> -- Jennifer, WKRP

"Stupid Prices" has about 5 stores around the Sacramento area (but
they have stores in other west coast cities, I believe they started in
Seattle). You're not missing too much though.

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TOPIC: Your home very likely contains products created by slave labor.
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 27 2008 11:19 am
From: Stan de SD

On Dec 27, 7:02 am, George <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> Stan de SD wrote:
> >> The charcoal he and the other labourers produce by burning scraps of
> >> hardwood will be trucked south to a blast furnace that's six hours
> >> away. It will be used there to make pig iron, a basic ingredient of
> >> steel. That pig iron will be purchased by brokers, sold to steelmakers
> >> and foundries and then purchased by some of the world's largest
> >> companies for use in cars, tractors, sinks and refrigerators made for
> >> US consumers.
>
> > I don't suppose you have ever seen the inside of a modern steel mill,
> > or any other type of large-scale industry. Steelmaking is a tightly
> > controlled process, necessary to ensure proper chemical composition,
> > hardness, ductility, etc. I seriously doubt that charcoal is being
> > used for the coking process, as carbon content is super-critical. Most
> > steel is made in electric arc furnaces nowadays, so the charcoal isn't
> > being used as a heat source. Methinks you're being fed a line of BS by
> > someone...
>
> What they described is accurate and is totally different than what you
> described (which is also quite accurate).

So the question remains: is this being used to produce commercial
steel vs. cheap low-grade cast iron for stuff like frying pans and the
like?

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 27 2008 12:52 pm
From: SilentOtto

On Dec 27, 1:45 am, Stan de SD <StanD...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > The charcoal he and the other labourers produce by burning scraps of
> > hardwood will be trucked south to a blast furnace that's six hours
> > away. It will be used there to make pig iron, a basic ingredient of
> > steel. That pig iron will be purchased by brokers, sold to steelmakers
> > and foundries and then purchased by some of the world's largest
> > companies for use in cars, tractors, sinks and refrigerators made for
> > US consumers.
>
> I don't suppose you have ever seen the inside of a modern steel mill,
> or any other type of large-scale industry. Steelmaking is a tightly
> controlled process, necessary to ensure proper chemical composition,
> hardness, ductility, etc. I seriously doubt that charcoal is being
> used for the coking process, as carbon content is super-critical. Most
> steel is made in electric arc furnaces nowadays, so the charcoal isn't
> being used as a heat source. Methinks you're being fed a line of BS by
> someone...

That's why the article referenced "pig iron" rather than "steel".

Removing unwanted trace elements and controlling the carbon content
takes place at a later stage in the refinement process.

Heh heh...

Rightards...

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 27 2008 12:53 pm
From: SilentOtto

On Dec 27, 2:19 pm, Stan de SD <StanD...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 27, 7:02 am, George <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Stan de SD wrote:
> > >> The charcoal he and the other labourers produce by burning scraps of
> > >> hardwood will be trucked south to a blast furnace that's six hours
> > >> away. It will be used there to make pig iron, a basic ingredient of
> > >> steel. That pig iron will be purchased by brokers, sold to steelmakers
> > >> and foundries and then purchased by some of the world's largest
> > >> companies for use in cars, tractors, sinks and refrigerators made for
> > >> US consumers.
>
> > > I don't suppose you have ever seen the inside of a modern steel mill,
> > > or any other type of large-scale industry. Steelmaking is a tightly
> > > controlled process, necessary to ensure proper chemical composition,
> > > hardness, ductility, etc. I seriously doubt that charcoal is being
> > > used for the coking process, as carbon content is super-critical. Most
> > > steel is made in electric arc furnaces nowadays, so the charcoal isn't
> > > being used as a heat source. Methinks you're being fed a line of BS by
> > > someone...
>
> > What they described is accurate and is totally different than what you
> > described (which is also quite accurate).
>
> So the question remains: is this being used to produce commercial
> steel vs. cheap low-grade cast iron for stuff like frying pans and the
> like?

It's being used to produce pig iron, which is later refined into
commercial steel.

Heh heh...

Rightards...

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TOPIC: AP: Obama birth/school records found in Jakarta
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 27 2008 11:46 am
From: wismel@yahoo.com

http://www.daylife.com/photo/01u33pL9Ns0...

This citizenship issue will no go away.

ted

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 27 2008 12:37 pm
From: "Dayafter Today"

<wismel@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:pd1dl45kcc961ukb27bfof0e7unitbn60v@4ax.com...
> http://www.daylife.com/photo/01u33pL9Ns0...
>
> This citizenship issue will no go away.
>
> ted

Who cares?

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 27 2008 12:57 pm
From: "Frank Arthur"

"Dayafter Today" <GWS@suckz.net> wrote in message
news:rjw5l.10324$Ei5.909@flpi143.ffdc.sbc.com...
>
> <wismel@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:pd1dl45kcc961ukb27bfof0e7unitbn60v@4ax.com...
>> http://www.daylife.com/photo/01u33pL9Ns0...
>>
>> This citizenship issue will no go away.
>>
>> ted
>
> Who cares?
Not so sure if Abraham Lincoln was a U.S. citizen!

Obama Detractor's List

Barack Hussein Obama is:

Muslim
Evangelist supporter
Jewish President
Socialist
Communist
Marxist
Homosexual
Anti-homosexual
Gun Grabber
Not Black enough
Too Black
Foreigner non citizen
Supports revolutionaries
Baby killer
Anti-abortion
Change White House to Black House
Hires only Muslims for cabinet
Hires only Blacks for cabinet
War monger
Will give citizenship to Chicanos
Take your money and give it to others
Increase your taxes
Close up all the churches
Keep you from your own doctor
Controlled by the press
Controlled by the Zionists
Plans to destroy the USA
His 9 million dollar vacation
Will talk to Iranians
Was named Barry Soetoro
Has no birth certificate
Is really Osama bin Laden

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 27 2008 1:46 pm
From: Globalist

On Dec 27, 1:46 pm, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
> http://www.daylife.com/photo/01u33pL9Ns0...
>
> This citizenship issue will no go away.
>
> ted

I was watching ANTIQUE ROADSHOW on PBS and some gal found a shoe box
in her grandmother's wine cellar and they are pretty sure a copy of
Obama's birth certificate was in that box, along with some batteries
and some kind of vibrating device. ..maybe a food processor, they are
not sure yet.

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 27 2008 4:43 pm
From: "Dayafter Today"

"Globalist" <free.tuneup@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:aa96ccae-96ee-4721-8929-e7c5ad5b549a@s9g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 27, 1:46 pm, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> http://www.daylife.com/photo/01u33pL9Ns0...
>>
>> This citizenship issue will no go away.
>>
>> ted
>
> I was watching ANTIQUE ROADSHOW on PBS and some gal found a shoe box
> in her grandmother's wine cellar and they are pretty sure a copy of
> Obama's birth certificate was in that box, along with some batteries
> and some kind of vibrating device. ..maybe a food processor, they are
> not sure yet.

That was Condi's vibrator.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 27 2008 5:21 pm
From: "Kickin' Ass & Takin' Names"

On Dec 27, 2:46 pm, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
> http://www.daylife.com/photo/01u33pL9Ns0...
>
> This citizenship issue will no go away.
>
> ted

There's nothing at your link. Exactly like your claim about Obama not
being a citizen -- nothing there.

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 27 2008 7:38 pm
From: "Dayafter Today"

"Kickin' Ass & Takin' Names" <PopUlist349@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:96238cb2-aa55-4b05-8f69-1b255face0e7@s37g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 27, 2:46 pm, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
> http://www.daylife.com/photo/01u33pL9Ns0...
>
> This citizenship issue will no go away.
>
> ted

There's nothing at your link. Exactly like your claim about Obama not
being a citizen -- nothing there.
=================

I found it;

http://www.buckfush.com/images/George_Bush_Horse_Kick.jpg

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TOPIC: Why don't camera reviews cover the data connection to the PC?
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 27 2008 11:52 am
From: Marco Tedaldi

John Navas schrieb:
> On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 18:29:17 +0100, Marco Tedaldi
> <news0708.kruemi@spamgourmet.com> wrote in
> <gj5ohh$vbf$1@reader.motzarella.org>:
>> John Navas schrieb:
>>
>> Even it it is well know it is not really true. But I'm sure you've read
>> my replies by now :-)
>> It IS possible to make dual use of the signal lines of an standard usb
>> connector. It just needs some additional circuitry. And this costs some
>> money. A special connector on the other hand does not seem to cos much
>> more than a standard connector (if used in big enough quantities).
>
> It more a matter of risk and harm and support issues when you put the
> wrong signals on a standard USB connector. It's generally a bad idea to
> do something like that, avoided by better manufacturers.
>
Not really if correctly done. Since the Camera can detect itself if it
is connected to an USB-Port it can avoid damage. But I have to agree on
this with you. The only real solution is something, where the signals
have their own lines.
As far as I know there are even solutions where there are additional
contacts in USB-Connectors in places which are isolated normally. I
don't know if something like this would be possible with mini-USB
connectors.

And I agree with the OP that these proprietary connectors are a hassle.
I like the fact that I can use the same cable for my MP3-Player, my card
reader and also could use it for my camera (But I see no reason to
connect my camera to my computer at the moment, I just don't have the
Space for the camera on my desk).
And the second type of cable I can use for my external hard disk, for
printers and scanners.

It was the same problem a long time ago when laptops had not ethernet
port built in. You had to use a PCMCIA card with a proprietary pigtail
(which tended to break when used often) until they came up with the
RealPort cards (I can't remember the manufacturer anymore).

A proprietary cable is no problem as long as you don't break it, loose
it or are in a situation where you unexpectedly have to connect your
device to another computer.

kruemi

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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 27 2008 11:59 am
From: John Navas

On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 20:52:54 +0100, Marco Tedaldi
<news0708.kruemi@spamgourmet.com> wrote in
<gj60vk$ip5$1@reader.motzarella.org>:

>John Navas schrieb:

>> It more a matter of risk and harm and support issues when you put the
>> wrong signals on a standard USB connector. It's generally a bad idea to
>> do something like that, avoided by better manufacturers.
>>
>Not really if correctly done. Since the Camera can detect itself if it
>is connected to an USB-Port it can avoid damage. But I have to agree on
>this with you. The only real solution is something, where the signals
>have their own lines.
>As far as I know there are even solutions where there are additional
>contacts in USB-Connectors in places which are isolated normally. I
>don't know if something like this would be possible with mini-USB
>connectors.

It's not possible -- all pins are taken. Likewise Micro-USB.

>A proprietary cable is no problem as long as you don't break it, loose
>it or are in a situation where you unexpectedly have to connect your
>device to another computer.

I use a USB card reader/writer. Avoids any cable issue altogether.

--
Very best wishes for the holiday season and for the coming new year,
John

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 27 2008 12:50 pm
From: Marco Tedaldi

John Navas schrieb:
> On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 20:52:54 +0100, Marco Tedaldi
> <news0708.kruemi@spamgourmet.com> wrote in
> <gj60vk$ip5$1@reader.motzarella.org>:
>
>> John Navas schrieb:
>
>>> It more a matter of risk and harm and support issues when you put the
>>> wrong signals on a standard USB connector. It's generally a bad idea to
>>> do something like that, avoided by better manufacturers.
>>>
>> Not really if correctly done. Since the Camera can detect itself if it
>> is connected to an USB-Port it can avoid damage. But I have to agree on
>> this with you. The only real solution is something, where the signals
>> have their own lines.
>> As far as I know there are even solutions where there are additional
>> contacts in USB-Connectors in places which are isolated normally. I
>> don't know if something like this would be possible with mini-USB
>> connectors.
>
> It's not possible -- all pins are taken. Likewise Micro-USB.
>
On mini-USB the 5 contacts are on one side of this platic thingie. So it
would be possible to add some additional contacts and use them for
A/V-Stuff.

Or the contacts could be used for USB and A/V.
In both cases the manufacturer has to supply 2 cables. One is the normal
USB cable (With mini USB connector, nothing fancy) and an AV-Cable with
an mini-USB Plug on one side and the A/V-Connectors on the other end.
This cable would be completely proprietary and could also contain some
circuitry that let's the camera detect which cable is connected (a
resistor in the simplest case, some active electronics do do more fancy
stuff).
This way the customer can't break anything in the camera nor in the
computer. The only problem could be if someone tried to get A/V-Signals
out of his card reader with the proprietary A/V-Cable :-)

>> A proprietary cable is no problem as long as you don't break it, loose
>> it or are in a situation where you unexpectedly have to connect your
>> device to another computer.
>
> I use a USB card reader/writer. Avoids any cable issue altogether.
>
Built in card reader in my computer, portable card reader in my bag or
backpack (which I almost always have with me). No problems, except at my
workplace where the computer only has USB-connectors at the back and I
have to crawl under my desk to connect it. :-)

Maybe UWB will solve all these problems.. (I believe it when I see it)

kruemi

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 26 2008 12:20 pm
From: "Strider"

"Marsha" <mas@xeb.net> wrote in message news:gj3ame$l4b$1@news.datemas.de...
> The Real Bev wrote:
>> Another big problem is that if you have no job skills already (be on time,
>> show up every day, don't dress weird, etc.) you're not likely to be able
>> to learn something that will qualify you for more than a minimum wage job,
>> which is nowhere near enough to raise the kids you already have.
>>
>> How do you make sure that THIS generation of hopeless losers is the last?
>>
>
> Sterilization?

Every generation has had its hopeless losers. The difference is, decent
people once shunned them, so they used to quietly die off without reproducing
(self-sterilization, if you will). Now we have a massive welfare state that
encourages & rewards the HLs, along with a perverted "culture" that glorifies
them. So naturally they breed with wild abandon (the black illegitimacy rate
is ~70%), thereby creating even more HLs. Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan (D-NY)
warned about the impending catastrophe, but his own party demonized him as a
"racist" and ignored him in their quest for black votes. (LBJ reportedly
crowed to his advisors after signing his welfare bills, "We [Democrats] just
locked up the nigger vote for the next 100 years!")

Nor did previous generations have to contend with uncontrolled 3rd World
immigration. Instead of allowing in only the best and brightest, we now
import the worst and dullest. Another "Great Society" legacy, just in case
the welfare state didn't create enough home-grown HLs.

** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 27 2008 3:50 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Strider wrote
> Marsha <mas@xeb.net> wrote
>> The Real Bev wrote

>>> Another big problem is that if you have no job skills already (be
>>> on time, show up every day, don't dress weird, etc.) you're not
>>> likely to be able to learn something that will qualify you for more
>>> than a minimum wage job, which is nowhere near enough to raise the kids you already have.

>>> How do you make sure that THIS generation of hopeless losers is the last?

>> Sterilization?

> Every generation has had its hopeless losers.

Yes.

> The difference is, decent people once shunned them, so they used to quietly die off without reproducing
> (self-sterilization, if you will).

Never happened in enough numbers to matter.

> Now we have a massive welfare state that encourages & rewards the HLs, along with a perverted "culture" that glorifies
> them. So naturally they breed with wild abandon (the black illegitimacy rate is ~70%),

It always was that high amoungst the dregs.

> thereby creating even more HLs. Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan (D-NY) warned about the impending catastrophe, but his
> own party demonized him as a "racist" and ignored him in their quest for black votes.

Plenty said the same thing about his irish ancestors.

> (LBJ reportedly crowed to his advisors after signing his welfare bills, "We [Democrats] just locked up the nigger vote
> for the next 100 years!")

He also claimed that they had lost the white vote too.

> Nor did previous generations have to contend with uncontrolled 3rd World immigration.

While they many not have come from the 3rd world, they did come from
the dregs of the first world, like ireland and eastern europe in huge numbers.

And there's the tiny matter of all those slaves from the 3rd world too.

> Instead of allowing in only the best and brightest, we now import the worst and dullest.

Another pig ignorant lie. There are still plenty of the best and brightest allowed in.

> Another "Great Society" legacy,

Just your pig ignorant fantasy, actually.

> just in case the welfare state didn't create enough home-grown HLs.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 27 2008 1:14 pm
From: "'nam vet."

In article <f1pcl4pe0hpkqvelfvcr8urnrtlugp5hbf@4ax.com>,
trudogg <independent@long.last> wrote:

> I've wondered vaguely for a while why you couldn't build a house that
> was basically vacuum sealed and thus needed almost nothing in the way
> of heating and cooling. But it turns out you can, and ground zero for
> research into "passive houses" is the Passivhaus Institut in
> Darmstadt, Germany, when I spent a couple of nights just a few months
> ago. The New York Times reports:
>
> The concept of the passive house, pioneered in this city of
> 140,000 outside Frankfurt, approaches the challenge from a different
> angle. Using ultrathick insulation and complex doors and windows, the
> architect engineers a home encased in an airtight shell, so that
> barely any heat escapes and barely any cold seeps in. That means a
> passive house can be warmed not only by the sun, but also by the heat
> from appliances and even from occupants' bodies.
>
> ....Decades ago, attempts at creating sealed solar-heated homes
> failed, because of stagnant air and mold. But new passive houses use
> an ingenious central ventilation system. The warm air going out passes
> side by side with clean, cold air coming in, exchanging heat with 90
> percent efficiency.
>
> ....In Germany the added construction costs of passive houses are
> modest and, because of their growing popularity and an ever larger
> array of attractive off-the-shelf components, are shrinking.
>
> But the sophisticated windows and heat-exchange ventilation
> systems needed to make passive houses work properly are not readily
> available in the United States. So the construction of passive houses
> in the United States, at least initially, is likely to entail a higher
> price differential.
>
> Interesting stuff. Old news to some, but new to me, and probably new
> to a few of you as well. More passive houses, please.
>
> Kevin Drum

What an appropriate time to post this.
This is the time in the Northern hemisphere to seek out the sites for a
home ,when the sun is the lowest in the sky,
Any Solar project begins with Insolation. A good site makes Solar
possible.
That's what sealed the deal on the 1/4 acre we bought a few years ago.
Southern Exposure. Search; Micro-Climates.
Good hunting.
--
When the Power of Love,replaces the Love of Power.
that's Evolution.
--
When the Power of Love,replaces the Love of Power.
that's Evolution.

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TOPIC: Don't forget, YOU may end up homeless and you will end up getting spat
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 27 2008 2:44 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

ultimauw@gmail.com wrote:
> On Dec 24, 12:34 pm, "Strider" <fgevqre1...@tznvy.pbz> wrote:
>> "Shawn Hirn" <s...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>
>> news:srhi-628AAC.10083724122008@74.sub-97-136-209.myvzw.com...
>>
>>> I think it sucks, but it seems to me that in many situations,
>>> employees can see the writing on the wall. Unless the bosses are
>>> cooking the books, when business drops significantly, any employee
>>> who doesn't notice that and doesn't start thinking about his or her
>>> job security is living in an alternate reality.
>>
>> True. Newspapers are notorious for folding with very little advance
>> notice. In Dec. 1991 the Dallas Times Herald announced its demise on
>> a Sunday afternoon. The paper published its final edition the next
>> day. It was hardly a surprise, though -- they'd been in the
>> proverbial "downward spiral" for a couple of years at least. I've
>> read instances of editors sending the completed pages to the
>> pressroom, then having the publisher arrive in the newsroom an hour
>> later saying "You've just published the last issue."
>>
>> Back in college a classmate had been chosen for a summer internship
>> at an out-of-town newspaper. A week or two before he was scheduled
>> to report, the paper abruptly folded. No one so much as hinted to
>> him that any trouble was afoot.

> The Orthodox Capitalists who love to crow about how the homeless are
> druggies, idiots, immoral sub human creatures need to take note of
> this and realize that they too may be walking the streets eating out
> of soup kitchens if/when their company decides to close down, and
> sometimes close down abruptly.

Anyone with a clue ensures that they cant lose their house even if they do lose their
job or will have somewhere to live, even if it isnt as desirable as they would like etc.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 27 2008 7:09 pm
From: Mr smiley happy sock puppet

On Dec 27, 2:44 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> ultim...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Dec 24, 12:34 pm, "Strider" <fgevqre1...@tznvy.pbz> wrote:
> >> "Shawn Hirn" <s...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>
> >>news:srhi-628AAC.10083724122008@74.sub-97-136-209.myvzw.com...
>
> >>> I think it sucks, but it seems to me that in many situations,
> >>> employees can see the writing on the wall. Unless the bosses are
> >>> cooking the books, when business drops significantly, any employee
> >>> who doesn't notice that and doesn't start thinking about his or her
> >>> job security is living in an alternate reality.
>
> >> True. Newspapers are notorious for folding with very little advance
> >> notice. In Dec. 1991 the Dallas Times Herald announced its demise on
> >> a Sunday afternoon. The paper published its final edition the next
> >> day. It was hardly a surprise, though -- they'd been in the
> >> proverbial "downward spiral" for a couple of years at least. I've
> >> read instances of editors sending the completed pages to the
> >> pressroom, then having the publisher arrive in the newsroom an hour
> >> later saying "You've just published the last issue."
>
> >> Back in college a classmate had been chosen for a summer internship
> >> at an out-of-town newspaper. A week or two before he was scheduled
> >> to report, the paper abruptly folded. No one so much as hinted to
> >> him that any trouble was afoot.
> > The Orthodox Capitalists who love to crow about how the homeless are
> > druggies, idiots, immoral sub human creatures need to take note of
> > this and realize that they too may be walking the streets eating out
> > of soup kitchens if/when their company decides to close down, and
> > sometimes close down abruptly.
>
> Anyone with a clue ensures that they cant lose their house even if they do lose their
> job or will have somewhere to live, even if it isnt as desirable as they would like etc.

You might want to read up on the Great Depression.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 27 2008 5:04 pm
From: phil scott

On Dec 27, 8:58 am, George <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> phil scott wrote:
> > On Dec 26, 11:06 am, val189 <gwehr...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >> On Dec 24, 6:39 pm, info_at_1-script_dot_...@foo.com (spendwize.com)
> >> wrote:
>
> >>> Letting the power company turn off your water heater and a/c at their will
> >>> could be risky. It is possible that if you request that they turn either
> >>> back on you could be hit with a reconnect or restart charge.
> >> No - I don't do any requesting. They remotely disrupt the water
> >> heater and a/c for no more than 15 minutes at a time, no more than x
> >> number of times a day ( I forget how often), and there's an annual
> >> limit too. It's all done remotely by the power company. I never
> >> notice these interruptions. There was absolutely no fee to set this
> >> up either. Win - win.
>
> > I think you get a 10% rate cut as a reward also?
>
> > On an oposite front... PG and E (pacific gas and electric) in calif..
> > has 3 tier rates for homes, but not businesses. business gets the
> > low rates.
>
> I was just looking at the pge residential tariff:
>
> http://www.pge.com/tariffs/tm2/pdf/ELEC_SCHEDS_E-1.pdf
>
> It lists 10 different baseline region territories but doesn't describe
> where they are. What makes these regions unique?
>
> The electric rates in our part of PA are on the low side. We typically
> use ~470 kwh/month. I picked a median baseline and the multiplier for
> exceeding the baseline and it is comparable to what we pay.
>
>
>
>
>
> > Homes the the low rate for their 'base use', (set at enough to run yer
> > cell phone charger and the bathroom lights if you down dwandle in the
> > john). 11 cents a KWH,
> > if you go over that you hit the mid rate range, amost doulbe in most
> > cases, so that ends up to be the effective rate if you are furgal as
> > hell...if you use such things as a TV, hair drier and portch light,
> > you hit the 35 cents a Kwh range... this has doubled or tripled most
> > peoples bill since it was instituted.
>
> > Frugally speaking you must declare your home to be a business,
> > accounting, on line services, HQ for your contracting, baby sitting or
> > drug running operation... then you get the low rates.
>
> > Phil scott- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

yes and its a rip off... up 300% in terms of the monthly bill over the
last 3 years.
and its done with this low base rate, but normal usage is a lot more
than that.

Just because you are being ripped off as bad as those in california,
equity between the states, does not mean that these utility companies
have not run yet another scam us.

Previous to this the rate was the same no matter how much you
used...now it doubles or triples as use goes into normal ranges...

Phil scott

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