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* USB flash memory stick....reliable brand? - 3 messages, 3 authors
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* 533,000 Jobs Lost While Feds Import 140,000 Foreign Workers! - 9 messages, 6
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* Why not a holiday from auto buying? - 7 messages, 6 authors
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* Execution and Expropriation of all Jews, effective as of 08.08.08 (www.
grishenkoff.com) - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Folks, this is a real depression, protect your assets - 3 messages, 3
authors
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* Shrinking Canned Tuna. Smaller, more Expensive - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Bank of America got Bailed Out! We got Sold Out!!! - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: USB flash memory stick....reliable brand?
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 6 2008 10:52 am
From: "Daniel T."
"carkenord@juno.com" <carkenord@juno.com> wrote:
> I am going to buy an 8gb USB flash memory stick.
>
> Price has fallen down to about $2 per gig.
>
> I want a "stick" with _NO_ U3 or software.
>
> In terms of reliability and longevity, are there brands to avoid?
>
> Are there brands that "stand out" as being better than average?
>
> What's the opinion on SANDISK brand?
I have had very good luck with Ativa sticks, which I think is Office
Depot's generic brand.
They are cheep and reliable, but they can't take a lot of abuse, so if
you are the sort of person who likes throwing your USB to a friend from
across the room (overhand,) you might want to check out some other brand.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 6 2008 11:03 am
From: sarge137
On Dec 6, 10:31 am, Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote:
> carken...@juno.com wrote:
> > I am going to buy an 8gb USB flash memory stick.
>
> > Price has fallen down to about $2 per gig.
>
> > I want a "stick" with _NO_ U3 or software.
>
> > In terms of reliability and longevity, are there brands to avoid?
>
> > Are there brands that "stand out" as being better than average?
>
> > What's the opinion on SANDISK brand?
>
> I have little knowledge of USB sticks but have a lot of experience
> with flash memory used in cameras.
>
> Now, it may be that memory as a commodity has reached a high level of
> development and brand X may be very good.
>
> Flash memory has two properties you may be interested in. One is
> "speed", and if you are transferring 8GB, that can take a while.
>
> The other is wear, flash memory wears a bit with each use and in many
> products there is wear leveling software so the same bits aren't written
> to, rather the wear is spread out.
>
> Sandisk is a major brand and was one of the first to stress
> reliability and speed and even performance at temperature extremes. I
> have had problems with some flash memory and found some way too slow,
> but that was a couple years ago and things may be very different now.
>
> If I were you, I'd buy the Sandisk for a slight premium over the X
> Brand. Particularly in the largest size. YMMV.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> > Thanks, folks........ Lee in Denver CO
Nicely explained. All of the cards in my camera bag are Sandisk for
the very reasons you spelled out. Those files are one of a kind until
they get transferred to my hard drive.
Sticks are mainly used for non-critical purposes, like "sneaker
netting" files between computers where the originals still exist. I
have a couple of small capacity generic sticks (256 & 512) that are at
least three years old and get used constantly with no apparent loss of
speed or capacity. But I'd never have the only copy of any file on
either of them. I wouldn't pay even a small premium for a name brand
stick over a generic of the same capacity, if the choice is
available. On the other hand, the price difference is generally small
enough I wouldn't pass up a name brand stick if I needed one and it
was the only choice.
Regards,
Sarge
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 6 2008 11:58 am
From: "JR Weiss"
<carkenord@juno.com> wrote...
>
> I am going to buy an 8gb USB flash memory stick.
> I want a "stick" with _NO_ U3 or software.
> In terms of reliability and longevity, are there brands to avoid?
I haven't had any fail.
> Are there brands that "stand out" as being better than average?
My PNY is faster than my Memorex or Newegg generic, but they all work.
> What's the opinion on SANDISK brand?
Mainstream. I use their SD cards.
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TOPIC: 533,000 Jobs Lost While Feds Import 140,000 Foreign Workers!
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 6 2008 11:33 am
From: RickH
On Dec 6, 3:25 am, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Fri, 5 Dec 2008 21:20:24 -0800 (PST),
>
> obamao.sux.donki.dix...@gmail.com wrote:
> >With the federal government reporting another giant loss of jobs for
> >November, isn't it time to stop the massive importation of foreign
> >workers?
>
> >http://www.numbersusa.com/content/nusablog/beckr/december-5-2008/5330...
>
> Does anyone still support this frigging government"
>
> ted
Computer programing also used to be a reliable career field, now I
would never recommend that any student in America go into IT or
programming in general. Those jobs are going to India faster than
ever. 95% of what I do at work these days is spec out things that
someone in India engineers and codes, then sends back to us. Its a
pretty sad state of affairs in a field that only 3 or 4 years ago
guaranteed a 6 figure salary in a few short years.
== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 6 2008 1:49 pm
From: KLS
On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:18:38 -0800 (PST), hpope@lycos.com wrote:
>By the way, the 140,00 foreign workers does not include the horde of
>low-IQ welfare leeching
>illegal immigrants. Deport those 15 million (conservative estimate)
>and an economic boom would
>sweep this nation.
Yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing all the white legal citizens pick
up the migrant worker agricultural jobs in New York State, 2nd largest
agricultural producer in the US. Will we be seeing you out in the
apple orchards in the Finger Lakes soon?
== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 6 2008 2:50 pm
From: "Lubow"
>
> But, why would a retired engineer want to get up at 6AM and be grading papers
> in front of the TV at night for 30K per year?
>
Thirty K per year? On which planet is that? Around these parts teachers with
tenure are good for $90-120K with an incomparable health plan. And our
superintendent who manages a school district (2150 students) that is half the
size of a Brooklyn high school gets a quarter million bucks plus a retirement
package that rivals that of Bob Rubin's. And that does not even include his
sick leave that is convertible into cash when he retires. Even Bob Rubin
doesn't get that.
Hanging on the wall to my right is the receipt for my school taxes in the amount
of $11,767.42 and next month I will welcome into our home the tax bill to help
pay the highest paid cops on earth, but that's another story.
Sometimes the Cold Spring Harbor SD has a career day where I and some other
techies talk to high school kids. Last spring, the moderator was the high
school's chemistry teacher. After the chat with students the chem teacher told
me she used to teach at Nassau County Community College but nearly doubled her
money by taking a couple of U of Phoenix ed courses on the internet and getting
a job teaching HS kids. Apparently, her PhD did not interest the school board
as much as her credentials from the University of Phoenix (oh gosh!). However,
as per the union contract, the PhD got her a very sizeable increment and an
instant career path to department head when and if the position opens.
== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 6 2008 3:01 pm
From: Nate Nagel
Lubow wrote:
>>
>> But, why would a retired engineer want to get up at 6AM and be grading
>> papers in front of the TV at night for 30K per year?
>>
>
> Thirty K per year? On which planet is that? Around these parts
> teachers with tenure are good for $90-120K with an incomparable health
> plan.
then you're definitely an outlier.
http://www.teacher-world.com/statespages/Virginia.html
average salary of $35K? you'd have to add another zero to that to get
me to put up with all the BS. Plus, I *live* in Virginia - I couldn't
afford a place to live on $35K/year, unless we're talking just a rented
room.
nate
--
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
http://members.cox.net/njnagel
== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 6 2008 3:11 pm
From: "Lubow"
>
> I worked for 40-years as an engineer before I retired. The H-1B
> "highly trained" workers are not filling a gap opened by a lack of
> trained American workers.
>
> They are filling a gap created by highly trained American workers who
> are (or were) reluctant to work for the slave-wages offered the H-1Bs.
>
In 1999 US News and World Report had an issue dedicated to this problem. There
is no shortage, nor has there ever been a shortage, in US engineers. The
"shortage," concluded US News was in engineers earning $19K (this was in 1999).
In the same issue was a discussion of the "half life" of American techies. Half
of all graduates of US engineering schools were out of the engineering business
within ten years of graduation. In computer science, the half life was five
years. I have no idea of the current half lives but 50% of the 1999 figures is
not unreasonable
And that's the focus I bring when the alumni association asks me to speak to
graduating engineers at CCNY. In short, an engineering or computer degree does
not obligate one to be those fields. One of the other speakers moved from
engineering into law specializing in construction claims. One guy in chemical
engineering started a photo finishing business. Another in the general
technology program refurbished burned-out buildings in the South Bronx.
== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 6 2008 3:42 pm
From: Caesar Romano
On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 18:11:24 -0500, "Lubow" <lubow@lubowindustries.com>
wrote Re Re: 533,000 Jobs Lost While Feds Import 140,000 Foreign
Workers!:
>In the same issue was a discussion of the "half life" of American techies. Half
>of all graduates of US engineering schools were out of the engineering business
>within ten years of graduation. In computer science, the half life was five
>years. I have no idea of the current half lives but 50% of the 1999 figures is
>not unreasonable
>
>And that's the focus I bring when the alumni association asks me to speak to
>graduating engineers at CCNY. In short, an engineering or computer degree does
>not obligate one to be those fields. One of the other speakers moved from
>engineering into law specializing in construction claims. One guy in chemical
>engineering started a photo finishing business. Another in the general
>technology program refurbished burned-out buildings in the South Bronx.
Doesn't say much for the prospects of American tech careers. If I had
been smarter I would have been one of those who left after 10-years
instead of hanging in for 40 (well, 37 actually) years.
== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 6 2008 4:27 pm
From: "HeyBub"
John Galt wrote:
>
> Make me king for a day and let me fix one, and I'd fix (2). The vast
> majority of disruptive students are disruptive because they simply
> shouldn't be taking the classes they're told to take. We educate all
> students as if they're going to Yale, so not only do kids who can't do
> college prep work fail, they get pissed off about it, act out, and
> take a bunch of other kids down with them. It's stupid, stupid, stupid.
>
Old what's-his-name, used to be chancellor at Rice University, was made head
of the Boston Public School system. He was asked, if he could do anything
(king-for-a-day) to improve the public school system, what would it be?
"Abolish colleges of education" was his reply.
== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 6 2008 4:31 pm
From: "HeyBub"
Lubow wrote:
>
> Hanging on the wall to my right is the receipt for my school taxes in
> the amount of $11,767.42 and next month I will welcome into our home
> the tax bill to help pay the highest paid cops on earth, but that's
> another story.
My school taxes were $2,100. I've got a 6br, 4bath, 4-car garage, 3100 sq ft
home. Yours may be bigger or better. 'Course you live on Long Island and I
live in Houston.
== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 6 2008 5:07 pm
From: "Lubow"
>
> Doesn't say much for the prospects of American tech careers. If I had
> been smarter I would have been one of those who left after 10-years
> instead of hanging in for 40 (well, 37 actually) years.
Are you a PE?
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TOPIC: Why not a holiday from auto buying?
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 6 2008 11:41 am
From: wismel@yahoo.com
For the next 6 months, at least, think about refraining from buying a
new vehicle. If yours totally fails buy a used car or truck. (By the
way, a new car is a crummy investment i.e. instant depreciation)
Or have yours repaired. The current cars and trucks can easily run
for 200,000 or more miles. This "holiday" will give us a chance to see
if the Big 3 can make satisfactory progress i.e. restructuring.
ted
== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 6 2008 11:54 am
From: Bert Hyman
In news:s1llj49s56ue4km6fujs8fols84j1mfocf@4ax.com wismel@yahoo.com
wrote:
> For the next 6 months, at least, think about refraining from buying a
> new vehicle.
Gee... I've managed to do that for the past 7 years.
If I need a car, I'll buy one.
What's your point?
--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@iphouse.com
== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 6 2008 12:20 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
wismel@yahoo.com wrote:
> For the next 6 months, at least, think about refraining from buying
> a new vehicle. If yours totally fails buy a used car or truck.
Great way to fuck the economy very comprehensively indeed.
> (By the way, a new car is a crummy investment i.e. instant depreciation)
True of anything except houses, stupid.
> Or have yours repaired. The current cars and trucks can easily run
> for 200,000 or more miles. This "holiday" will give us a chance to
> see if the Big 3 can make satisfactory progress i.e. restructuring.
Or flush them down the tubes, cretin.
== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 6 2008 1:20 pm
From: hal@nospam.com
On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 07:20:44 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>wismel@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> For the next 6 months, at least, think about refraining from buying
>> a new vehicle. If yours totally fails buy a used car or truck.
>
>Great way to fuck the economy very comprehensively indeed.
the economy is pretty much fucked comprehensively anyway.
>
>> (By the way, a new car is a crummy investment i.e. instant depreciation)
>
>True of anything except houses, stupid.
>
>> Or have yours repaired. The current cars and trucks can easily run
>> for 200,000 or more miles. This "holiday" will give us a chance to
>> see if the Big 3 can make satisfactory progress i.e. restructuring.
>
>Or flush them down the tubes, cretin.
>
they flushed themselves. For years they've been manufacturing cars no
one wants and did not have the ability to transition to more practical
vehicles.
== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 6 2008 1:44 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
hal@nospam.com wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> wismel@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> For the next 6 months, at least, think about refraining from buying
>>> a new vehicle. If yours totally fails buy a used car or truck.
>> Great way to fuck the economy very comprehensively indeed.
> the economy is pretty much fucked comprehensively anyway.
Mindless pig ignorant silly stuff.
>>> (By the way, a new car is a crummy investment i.e. instant depreciation)
>> True of anything except houses, stupid.
>>> Or have yours repaired. The current cars and trucks can easily run
>>> for 200,000 or more miles. This "holiday" will give us a chance to
>>> see if the Big 3 can make satisfactory progress i.e. restructuring.
>> Or flush them down the tubes, cretin.
> they flushed themselves. For years they've been manufacturing cars no
> one wants and did not have the ability to transition to more practical vehicles.
The real reason they didnt is because of the stupid union demands that saw
their costs much higher than their foreign competition and that ensured that
they couldnt make money on those cars. So they had to try to flog steaming
turds with wheels instead.
== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 6 2008 3:25 pm
From: Seerialmom
On Dec 6, 11:41 am, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
> For the next 6 months, at least, think about refraining from buying a
> new vehicle. If yours totally fails buy a used car or truck. (By the
> way, a new car is a crummy investment i.e. instant depreciation)
> Or have yours repaired. The current cars and trucks can easily run
> for 200,000 or more miles. This "holiday" will give us a chance to see
> if the Big 3 can make satisfactory progress i.e. restructuring.
>
> ted
So you're basically saying all the other car companies should "suffer"
for the mismanagement of the 3 US car manufacturers??? WTH? And most
of us already do what you suggested so it's really a "moot" point.
== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 6 2008 4:58 pm
From: hpope@lycos.com
On Dec 6, 12:41 pm, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
> For the next 6 months, at least, think about refraining from buying a
> new vehicle. If yours totally fails buy a used car or truck. (By the
> way, a new car is a crummy investment i.e. instant depreciation)
> Or have yours repaired. The current cars and trucks can easily run
> for 200,000 or more miles. This "holiday" will give us a chance to see
> if the Big 3 can make satisfactory progress i.e. restructuring.
>
> ted
I have a hunch that most of those complaining about your suggestion
are probably lucky
to make 50K a year. Hence, that vehicle is important to their self-
image.
Mitch
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TOPIC: Execution and Expropriation of all Jews, effective as of 08.08.08 (www.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 6 2008 1:36 pm
From: Prime Minister of the Kingdom of God Serge Grishenkoff
Execution and Expropriation of all Jews, effective as of 08.08.08
(www.grishenkoff.com)
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TOPIC: Folks, this is a real depression, protect your assets
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 6 2008 1:57 pm
From: "bungalow_steve@yahoo.com"
On Dec 3, 7:07 am, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
> During the 1930's, my mother saw the average guy trying to pick
> bottoms, in 1930, 1931, 1932 ......1939, all lost. Market didn't show
> a gain until 1954.
did you even look up the stock market prices during this period before
you make a silly post like this???
i'll help you out with a simple chart
http://stockcharts.com/charts/historical/djia1900.html
The "market didn't show a gain until 1954" comment you always hear
assumes you invested all your money on the day before the crash. which
is unlikely
just as unlikely is if you invested everything in 1932, from 1932 to
1954 you would of made almost 900%, one of the best stock investment
periods ever
if you dollar cost average in th 30's you would be doing very well
depressions are the time to buy stuff, cash is overvalued (you can buy
a lot of stocks, real estate for little money)
booms are the time to have cash, because cash is undervalued (you can
buy very little stocks or real estate for a lot of money)
Cash was king 6 months ago, it no longer is now
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 6 2008 3:27 pm
From: Observer
On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:57:27 -0800 (PST), "bungalow_steve@yahoo.com"
<bungalow_steve@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Dec 3, 7:07 am, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> During the 1930's, my mother saw the average guy trying to pick
>> bottoms, in 1930, 1931, 1932 ......1939, all lost. Market didn't show
>> a gain until 1954.
>
>did you even look up the stock market prices during this period before
>you make a silly post like this???
>
>i'll help you out with a simple chart
>
>http://stockcharts.com/charts/historical/djia1900.html
>
>The "market didn't show a gain until 1954" comment you always hear
>assumes you invested all your money on the day before the crash. which
>is unlikely
>
>just as unlikely is if you invested everything in 1932, from 1932 to
>1954 you would of made almost 900%, one of the best stock investment
>periods ever
>
>if you dollar cost average in th 30's you would be doing very well
>
>depressions are the time to buy stuff, cash is overvalued (you can buy
>a lot of stocks, real estate for little money)
>
>booms are the time to have cash, because cash is undervalued (you can
>buy very little stocks or real estate for a lot of money)
>
>Cash was king 6 months ago, it no longer is now
>
And the safe haven currently is _______?
--
The last official act of any government is the looting of the nation.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 6 2008 4:32 pm
From: EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com
In misc.survivalism Observer <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
> And the safe haven currently is _______?
Same a always. US Treasury securities.
--
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
-- Bertrand Russel
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TOPIC: Shrinking Canned Tuna. Smaller, more Expensive
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 6 2008 2:14 pm
From: Evelyn Leeper
Evelyn wrote:
>
> Buy the tuna in the foil bags.
> Lots less liquid so more truth to the amount you get compared to what is
> on the pkg.
But unfortunately it's stopped going on sale around here, so I think
it's still cheaper to buy the cans on sale than the pouches not on sale.
(I really prefer the pouches--they don't require a can opener, and when
you open them, the tuna is already the right shape for a sandwich!)
What irks me (well, my husband, really) is that "chunk light tuna" has
become over the years "mush light tuna" (especially in cans). If you
want tuna with any firmness, you have to buy white tuna, which has less
flavor.
--
Evelyn C. Leeper
Be braver. You cannot cross a chasm in two small jumps.
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TOPIC: Bank of America got Bailed Out! We got Sold Out!!!
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 6 2008 3:25 pm
From: lisajoe@privacy.net
Bank of America got Bailed Out! We got Sold Out!!!
Hey folks,
Some really important stuff is happening in Chicago right now. I've drawn
up a petition - it's pretty self explanatory:
http://www.petitiononline.com/solidfac/petition.html
To: Bank of America and Republic Windows and Doors management
As students and youth, we stand in solidarity with the Chicago workers at
the Republic of Windows and Doors factory in their just struggle against
closure, and for the right to their jobs and health care. The wealthy
bankers at Bank of America got $25 billion in the bailout, but is refusing
loans to the company. The management owes over 1 million dollars in
severance and vacation pay. We know it is the big bankers and bosses who
have laid off, cut benefits, and sold out the worker. Everyone should
support the workers' occupation of the factory to demand workers' rights and
justice.
We join in the chant with them:
Bank of America got Bailed Out! We got Sold Out!!!
For more information:
http://www.fightbacknews.org/2008/12/chicago-workers-occupy-plant.htm
http://chicago.indymedia.org/newswire/display/84872/index.php
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