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* 533,000 Jobs Lost While Feds Import 140,000 Foreign Workers! - 1 messages, 1
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* Why not a holiday from auto buying? - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Folks, this is a real depression, protect your assets - 2 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: 533,000 Jobs Lost While Feds Import 140,000 Foreign Workers!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/a1526898a9ebc1d2?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 6 2008 9:17 pm
From: Smitty Two
In article <upslj4p7u9prr542q512qsf1btskdngj3a@4ax.com>,
KLS <xymergy@suds.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:18:38 -0800 (PST), hpope@lycos.com wrote:
>
> >By the way, the 140,00 foreign workers does not include the horde of
> >low-IQ welfare leeching
> >illegal immigrants. Deport those 15 million (conservative estimate)
> >and an economic boom would
> >sweep this nation.
>
> Yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing all the white legal citizens pick
> up the migrant worker agricultural jobs in New York State, 2nd largest
> agricultural producer in the US. Will we be seeing you out in the
> apple orchards in the Finger Lakes soon?
I grew up in Wisconsin, in a small farm community. We weren't farmers
but many of our friends were. No hispanics, no blacks, no asians in the
area. No immigrants at all, legal or illegal. Guess what? The crops got
harvested. I worked seasonally detassling corn to make a few bucks as a
teenager.
When I was 21, and again when I was 22, I took the freight trains with
friends out to Washington State for the apple harvest. We worked for six
or eight weeks, picking apples. There were no Mexicans doing it back
then, just born-in-America caucasians. (The guy who drove the tractor
was black, though.)
We got paid $8 per bin. A bin holds roughly 2500 apples. My first
ten-hour day, I picked almost one bin. After a month of practice, I was
up to 3 - 4 bins per day. We came home with several hundred dollars in
our pockets, and glad of it.
I have only one thing to say to those who believe the crops would rot in
the fields without illegal aliens on the job -- "bullshit."
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TOPIC: Why not a holiday from auto buying?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/9e36c73bdf3daf50?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 6 2008 10:13 pm
From: zzbunker
On Dec 6, 3:20 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > For the next 6 months, at least, think about refraining from buying
> > a new vehicle. If yours totally fails buy a used car or truck.
>
> Great way to fuck the economy very comprehensively indeed.
>
> > (By the way, a new car is a crummy investment i.e. instant depreciation)
>
> True of anything except houses, stupid.
Houses are such a horrible investment, that's why they even let
people like Congress and New Orleans invest in them. The people
with economic brains still just do robots, cruise missiles, Neo Wind
Energy,
RISC++, non-depreciating Fiber optics loans, and GPS that
doesn't nod and wink at you.
>
> > Or have yours repaired. The current cars and trucks can easily run
> > for 200,000 or more miles. This "holiday" will give us a chance to
> > see if the Big 3 can make satisfactory progress i.e. restructuring.
>
> Or flush them down the tubes, cretin.
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TOPIC: Folks, this is a real depression, protect your assets
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/cb1cc803cf7130ab?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 6 2008 9:57 pm
From: Jeffrey Turner
Dave wrote:
>> Not to mention that all that "unskilled labor" with a few more bucks in
>> their pockets would buy more stuff, which would generate private sector
>> jobs making and selling that stuff. Dave might want to learn something
>> about the multiplier effect.
>>
>> --Jeff
>
> Jeff - Marxism does not work. -Dave
Dave,
Your brain doesn't work, apparently. If you've got economic facts to
argue with, show 'em. Or shut up and learn.
--Jeff
--
I learned that ... the most grinding
poverty is a trifling evil compared
with the inequality of classes.
--William Morris
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 6 2008 10:03 pm
From: Jeffrey Turner
Dave wrote:
> <EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com> wrote in message
> news:ghbclh$4b0$3@reader1.panix.com...
>> In misc.survivalism Dave <noway1@noway2.not> wrote:
>>
>>> With a budget imbalance of trillions, how do you propose increasing
> spending
>>> without increasing taxes? Just print more money?
>> Generally, spending is increased without increasing income by borrowing
>> money.
>>
>
> OK. I'll be gentle here, and assume that you just haven't done the math.
> You speak about borrowing money like it's OK.
>
> The original $700BN bailout was actually $820 Billion (by the time it
> PASSED), borrowed from China. What's the payoff on that loan? (principle
> plus interest)
> I don't know but I'm guessing at least $1.6 Trillion dollars is a pretty
> optimistic estimate, meaning I fear it is probably a lot higher than that.
>
> 138,000,000 taxpayers in the U.S. right now.
>
> It will cost my family at least $23,000 in extra (note EXTRA) taxes. How
> much will it cost your family?
>
> That much is DONE already. That was long before all these other bailout
> proposals, currently totalling about 8 Trillion (borrowed principle amount),
> last I heard. It seems to be increasing by hundreds of billions a week
> though. How much will your family have to pay for say, 10 trillion
> principle, which will cost about 20 trillion or more with interest? HAVE
> YOU DONE THE MATH???????????????????????????????????????????? -Dave
Oscar Wilde said a cynic is someone who knows the price of everything
and the value of nothing. That mantle has been passed to the
mouth-breathing conservatroids.
--Jeff
--
I learned that ... the most grinding
poverty is a trifling evil compared
with the inequality of classes.
--William Morris
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