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* OT - Survivalism Retail Style - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/da641b3711ca2726?hl=en
* Cheap doesn't mean frugal. - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/236d9191f133039a?hl=en
* Madoff stole most of the money from other Jews, idiot - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/15e45ea9aea90eb7?hl=en
* what to do with old Dot Matrix printer? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/433f3de03338791a?hl=en
* Save Money By Rethinking Your TV, Internet And Phone Needs - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/5b96a58f8901a1f2?hl=en
* OBDII P0301 misfire detected, P0303 cylinder 2 of 4, CEL lit, not blinking -
1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/4afaadd401efa141?hl=en
* Cheap things to do with your kids - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/5687c834d5e2ac40?hl=en
* real estate - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/c83896877cf66008?hl=en
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TOPIC: OT - Survivalism Retail Style
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/da641b3711ca2726?hl=en
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Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 8:07 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools
On Jan 12, 10:42 am, Strabo <str...@flashlight.net> wrote:
> EskWI...@spamblock.panix.com wrote:
> > In misc.survivalism cavelamb <cavel...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >> We've been looking for a home to buy.
> >> Around here there are only two choices.
> >> 5000 square foot new construction,
> >> (which I can not afford)
> >> and 30 year old houses at 2008 pricing levels
> >> (which are not worth the asking price (anymore?))
>
> > My sister went through a similar search a few years ago outside DC. She
> > ended up buying a McMansion far far into the exurbs because that was
> > pretty much all that was affordable, consistent with good schools. They
> > use the formal living room to house their foosball table. Given that the
> > house has a huge Family Room, they don't need a living room. They put
> > their TV in the family room, so the Media Room too is underutilized.
>
> > They don't like living in the middle of nowhere, nor do they like heating
> > a huge house. But as you say, very little was available that met their
> > needs at the time. And now, their neighbors are desperate to sell, with
> > some homes being sold by banks for MUCH lower prices than they typical
> > outstanding debt.
>
> And this lowers the resell value of their home. Even if they live
> in the house for years it may never bring the price they paid in
> adjusted dollars.
>
> Real property market prices are being forced down to the point
> of true value. The difference between this cost value and the
> initial cost of the house is a permanent loss.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
"Permanent loss"
I think most people haven't realized this yet.
America has yet to realize that our quality of life has just taken a
hit we will not see return in our lifetimes.
TMT
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TOPIC: Cheap doesn't mean frugal.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/236d9191f133039a?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 8:11 pm
From: "cybercat"
"Evelyn Leeper" <eleeper@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:496c102a$0$4900$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> James wrote:
>> On Jan 12, 6:11 pm, Evelyn Leeper <elee...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>> James wrote:
>>>> I bought 4 chickens because they were on sale for 69 cents a pound.
>>>> Now I like dark meat better and can get leg quarters for the same
>>>> price. So I got the better deal but will probably enjoy it less.
>>> Make soup. Or serve them when you have company who like white meat.
>>>
>>> One question regarding "the same price": do you get the same percentage
>>> of meat from leg quarters as from whole chickens?
>>
>> Leg quarters for 69 cents a pound.
>
> No, my question i, if you remove all the bones and waste from four pounds
> of whole chicken, do you get the same amount of meat as from four pounds
> of leg quarters?
>
I would say you get more. Breasts have a much higher meat to bone and skin
ratio than leg quarters.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 8:17 pm
From: Kathleen
Evelyn Leeper wrote:
> James wrote:
>
>> On Jan 12, 6:11 pm, Evelyn Leeper <elee...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>
>>> James wrote:
>>>
>>>> I bought 4 chickens because they were on sale for 69 cents a pound.
>>>> Now I like dark meat better and can get leg quarters for the same
>>>> price. So I got the better deal but will probably enjoy it less.
>>>
>>> Make soup. Or serve them when you have company who like white meat.
>>>
>>> One question regarding "the same price": do you get the same percentage
>>> of meat from leg quarters as from whole chickens?
>>
>>
>> Leg quarters for 69 cents a pound.
>
>
> No, my question i, if you remove all the bones and waste from four
> pounds of whole chicken, do you get the same amount of meat as from four
> pounds of leg quarters?
>
I'd say you probably get more meat off a whole chicken than from an
equivalent weight of leg quarters. Commercially raised chickens have
been bred for enormous, non functional breasts, much like those of the
current Hollywood actresses. If you can make use of it, dandy. But if
what really floats your boat is dark meat, the additional few cents per
pound to get what you really like is money well spent.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 8:36 pm
From: Sqwertz
James <j0069bond@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I bought 4 chickens because they were on sale for 69 cents a pound.
> Now I like dark meat better and can get leg quarters for the same
> price. So I got the better deal but will probably enjoy it less.
And you call yourself James Bond?
-sw
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TOPIC: Madoff stole most of the money from other Jews, idiot
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/15e45ea9aea90eb7?hl=en
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Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 8:13 pm
From: Tim Howard
hpope@lycos.com wrote:
> On Jan 12, 4:14 pm, TgR <j7q5xz58...@lightning.e4ward.com> wrote:
>> In Madoff's Scheme Jews Were Winners & Non-Jews Were Losers,
>> despite the mass media's pretense that most of the losers were
>> Jewish.
>>
>> Bernie Madoff's Ethno-Nepotistic Ponzi Scheme
>> James Murray
>>
>> January 4, 2008
>>
>> A careful reader will note that there were real winners. We will call
>> them the Jews, since they were Jews, This group would ultimately have
>> large losses of imaginary paper "profits." And there were big losers.
>> Let's call them the Goys or the Suckers, since they are non-Jews. Of
>> course, the difference between these groups is their ethnicity. It is
>> worth noting that the Wall Street Journal and the New York Times, and
>> the mass media in general, see this as a fraud that essentially
>> affected only Jews. As we have seen, this is the exact opposite of the
>> truth. Jews were winners, and non-Jews were losers.
>>
>> To repeat: in Madoff's scheme, Jews were winners, and non-Jews were
>> losers. It was not just a Ponzi scheme, it was a Ponzi scheme
>> structured around a massive transfer of wealth to one's own ethnic
>> group, a kind of previously undescribed Ethno-Nepotistic-Ponzi scheme.
>>
>> Finally, this suggests that the real reason why Haaretz and Abe Foxman
>> are so hysterical about the Madoff scandal and its possible effect of
>> increasing anti-semitism is not because they fear irrational goyim who
>> are overly eager to paint all Jews with the traits of Bernie Madoff.
>> It is that there simply were very few real Jewish victims and quite a
>> few non-Jewish victims: The so-called Jewish victims actually made
>> money. And they made millions and millions and millions.
>>
>> For the full article including data supporting the above conclusions
>> go to
>>
>> http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/authors/Murray-Madoff.html
>
> As more information becomes public we can anticipate very shocking
> disclosures re:
> family, "tribe", etc.
>
> mitch
>
BS Look at all those charitable foundations Maddoff riped off that were
run by Jews. I don't know how many non-Jews were invested with Madoff,
but there was no concious transfer of money from one "tribe" to another.
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TOPIC: what to do with old Dot Matrix printer?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 8:33 pm
From: gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)
In article <gkgm5e$cc5$1@news.ett.com.ua>, OhioGuy <none@none.net> wrote:
> I've got a roughly 19 year old Panasonic KXP-1124 dot matrix printer
>that I haven't used a lot in the past year or so. I've started
>rearranging our bedroom, and found myself thinking about throwing it out.
> It works just fine, though it prints at half the speed it did in DOS
>for some reason - under Windows '95 and greater, it started only
>printing one direction, instead of both directions like it used to -
>effectively making it half the original speed.
Have you tried looking on Panasonics' web site for a more current driver?
Might be able to get it back to full-speed operation.
> Anyway, I don't like the idea of adding to landfill waste, but I
>think that perhaps I may end up giving it up finally to make more space
>in our room. On the other hand, there were a couple of times when I was
>able to use it when our primary computer had trouble.
Check with a technology recycler in your area; there are still a few
applications for impact printers--logging activity on a sercurity system,
for example. Printing is done in real time, and makes tampering more
difficult.
> Anyone have any thoughts on finally getting rid of something you've
>had for a long time, which still works, but seems slow?
Craigslist/freecycle, which I think someone else has mentioned.
Gary
--
Gary Heston gheston@hiwaay.net http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/
"Behind every successful woman there is an astonished man"
General of the Army (four stars) Ann Dunwoody
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TOPIC: Save Money By Rethinking Your TV, Internet And Phone Needs
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/5b96a58f8901a1f2?hl=en
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Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 9:17 pm
From: Tony Sivori
On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 01:26:58 +0000, terryc wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:57:52 -0800, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>
>> Your thoughts?
>>
>> TMT
>>
>>
>> Save Money By Rethinking Your TV, Internet And Phone Needs
>
> This article is like all the rest. It is really about dropping your
> landline and moving over to expensive wireless based services with
> exceedingly expensive data costs.
>
> In comparison, my ADSL link runs on th back of the copper landline and
> the data I get is very cheap.
>
> The communication problem is that many of the people I communicate with
> do not yet have a smilar setup, So I can not take advantage of email,
> webcams, chat, irc, irq. skype, etc, etc.
About six years ago I saved money by the dropping land line, pager, dial
up internet, and cable TV. I replaced those four with cable internet and a
prepaid cell phone.
Works for me. I don't miss cable TV. I do talk on the phone much less than
the average person, so the by the minute cell wouldn't work for everyone.
--
Tony Sivori
Due to spam, I'm filtering all Google Groups posters.
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TOPIC: OBDII P0301 misfire detected, P0303 cylinder 2 of 4, CEL lit, not
blinking
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/4afaadd401efa141?hl=en
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Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 10:21 pm
From: Donna
I just want to write this to put down for posterity for others to be able
to find what I couldn't find on my own but with my friends' help, I was
able to solve the problem.
The 1998 Toyota 4 cylinder has over 100,000 miles on the original four NGK
BKR5EYA plugs & four wires & two coils & (how many?) fuel injectors.
Last week, the yellow emission-control OBDII Check Engine Light lit solid
(not blinking so it wasn't that serious) and a friend checked it this
weekend to tell me the code is P0301 misfire detected, P0303 cylinder 2 of
4. I had noticed the engine running a bit roughly under acceleration for
about a month but I wasn't sure what the cause was.
I called Toyota this morning and they said plugs and wires would not fix
this cylinder-misfire diagnostic code and the Toyota 4Runner needed to be
brought to them for service because it could be the ignition system, the
200-dollar fuel injectors, the 100-dollar ignition coils, the fuel system,
the EGR system, the engine congtrol module computer, etc. They were clear
that just replacing the plugs and wires would not solve the problem. I
needed an 800-dollar diagnostic service.
Undeterred, my kind friend bought four new two-dollar ND K16R-U spark
plugs, gapped them to 0.031 inches and torqued them to 14 foot pounds in
the Toyota 3RZFE 2.7 liter 4-cylinder engine. Unfortunately he also had to
replace the 50-dollar four spark plug wires on the two coils because two of
the wires broke at the spark plug, necessitating needle-nose pliars to pull
the stuck-on metal caps off the plugs.
For 30 seconds, we removed the 15 amp EFI fuse in the engine compartment
next to the battery, which reset the OBD II memory.
Time will tell but the yellow emissions control check engine light stayed
off during a test drive and the prior stumbling disappeared. I'm amazed
that plugs would last 100,000 miles (they were the normal j-gap type, not
even platinum).
This is written so that you may comment to help us and others. The main
problems we ran into were the Belden ignition wires didn't stay on the
coils as the clip was about a tenth of a millimeter too small so it took
about fifteen minutes to get the coil side of the wires on correctly.
The only other problem was that two of the ignition wires broke at the top
of the plug, necessitating needle-nose pliars to extricate them. As
recommended, we used no lube on the spark plug threads so we can rest
assured the 14 foot pounds is accurate.
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TOPIC: Cheap things to do with your kids
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Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 10:29 pm
From: asiandollno1@gmail.com
These inexpensive ideas are sure to get your kids creative juices
flowing! The kids will love them because it gives them something
productive to do and mom or dad will love them because they're easy
and cheap!
1. Fly a kite at a local park. Kites can usually be found at any local
dollar store.
2. Blow bubbles. Now how cheap are bubbles, like $.50 a bottle?! Kids
can have contests to see who can make the most or the biggest bubble.
3. Make an "I love You" card for someone. Or is someone's birthday
coming up? Let the kids be creative and make a friend or relative a
card from the heart.
4. Paint rocks. You can find rocks anywhere. Let the kids be creative
with some paint, markers, ribbons, beads and glue.
5. Catch fireflies, ants, bugs or butterflies. Summer nights are
perfect for catching fireflies and they are so neat as a nightlight.
6. Put together a puzzle. These always keep kids entertained and busy.
7. Make paper airplanes. Let the kids make their own, decorate them
and then fly them.
8. Frame their hands and feet! Have your kids put their hand prints
and feet prints on paper and then frame them in an inexpensive frame.
This is something that you will love down the road when the kids are
grown.
AsianDoll
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TOPIC: real estate
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Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 10:45 pm
From: Steve Daniels
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 18:02:38 -0800 (PST), against all advice,
something compelled thackere@gmail.com, to say:
> why would a judge tell 1 lady, you can't take a mans inheritence, and
> tell the sistern in law you can take everything he owns?
The sister in law gives better blowjobs.
--
Real men don't text.
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