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Friday, January 2, 2009

misc.consumers.frugal-living - 23 new messages in 12 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: Prof. predicts USA collapse in 2010
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 31 2008 9:23 pm
From: "Nicik Name"

"Fake ID" <no-spam@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:495b136a$0$1629$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
> In article
> <7b1bef32-8c87-4542-a554-e55c328fc365@v15g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
> <hpope@lycos.com> wrote:
>>http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123051100709638419.html
>>
>>Mass immigration, economic decay, social chaos, to lead way downward.
>
> It says he's been predicting America's collapse for a decade.
> Eventually he will be right. No empire lasts for ever. It can be fun
> to speculate on how this one will end.
KGB at work here girls.............
Get your head out of your ass
>
> For reasons I don't recall I recently read what wikipedia had to say about
> the Alaska purchase. The world just doesn't see big real estate deals
> like thay anymore. Anyway, the Russians sold to the US because they
> thought they might lose it to Britain. The next sale might be similar.
> Prospective owners include Russia, flush with petrol euros and as a
> point of pride; and China who will foreclose after the US Treasury
> defaults on bond payments. Forseeing the inevitable, the US will try to
> find a friendlier alternative, Canada or the EU. Whoever it is, the new
> owner will get a pristine oil field, preserved by econazis who
> preventing any drilling in ANWR. But, like all oil fields, someone will
> eventually drill it, just that it might be a different country by then.
>
> Tom Friedman also has some dire thoughts on the future.
> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/24/opinion/24friedman.html?_r=1
> Some TV show, Extreme Engineering, I think, discussed that new Hong Kong
> airport Friedman flew out of. They took three islands and bulldozed
> them into a single flat one for the airport. A project like that in the
> USA today would be skuttled by all the protests and lawsuits.
>
> m

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 1 2009 9:54 am
From: nys999

Blackwater <bw@barrk.net> wrote in news:s8col4th4ndtao5g7mneagt5bjs06o88a1
@4ax.com:

> hpope@lycos.com wrote:
>
>>http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123051100709638419.html
>>
>>Mass immigration, economic decay, social chaos, to lead way downward.
>
> Well ... not as if the whole place is gonna disappear.
>
> Any kind of collapse will represent the start of
> a 're-formation'.
>
> Into WHAT though ... ?

Well, to help paint that picture, we no longer have the
crude oil reserves to sell overseas and still have enough
to fuel rebuilding our economy. Will we even have enough
domestic oil to maintain agriculture at the level it is
today? Because we're actually at a breakeven between food
exports and imports. So any decrease in production means
we'll have to be a net importer to stave off famine.

Oh what a nice set of economic midgets you saddled us
with.

I imagine, when enough bellies are empty, that the Chinese
rules on reproduction will be instituted here. I can see
the posters: "Enjoying sex? Use a condom. It's the law!"

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TOPIC: Gorgeous Trinity stuffed with two c0cks
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 1 2009 5:00 am
From: kyogeshwark@gmail.com

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 1 2009 9:26 am
From: clams_casino

kyogeshwark@gmail.com wrote:

>Success usually comes to those who are too busy to be looking for it
>Visit online jobs, movies..,
>
>
>

It's a long commute to India, but your porno industry sems to pay well.

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TOPIC: world famous brand bag(handbags) 25$-30$ - www.cicigogo.cn
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 1 2009 5:33 am
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TOPIC: date your checks '09,a few ahead.
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 1 2009 7:24 am
From: "'nam vet."

even if you still put '08 on your checks, the bank will cash them , well,
for a while.
--
When the Power of Love,replaces the Love of Power.
that's Evolution.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 1 2009 8:54 am
From: Jamie

On Jan 1, 7:24 am, "'nam vet." <georgewks...@humboldt1.com> wrote:
> even if you still put '08 on your checks, the bank will cash them , well,
> for a while.
> --
> When the Power of Love,replaces the Love of Power.
> that's Evolution.

As 2007 drew to a close, I got the idea to predate my checks for '08
so as not to write the wrong year. And as 2008 ended yesterday, I
wrote one last check for '08 and wrote 09 ahead of time on the next
few checks in sequence.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 1 2009 3:08 pm
From: MSfortune@mcpmail.com

Jamie wrote:
> On Jan 1, 7:24�am, "'nam vet." <georgewks...@humboldt1.com> wrote:
> > even if you still put '08 on your checks, the bank will cash them , well,
> > for a while.
> > --
> > When the Power of Love,replaces the Love of Power.
> > that's Evolution.
>
> As 2007 drew to a close, I got the idea to predate my checks for '08
> so as not to write the wrong year. And as 2008 ended yesterday, I
> wrote one last check for '08 and wrote 09 ahead of time on the next
> few checks in sequence.

If it works for you, fine I guess. In my estimation, if a person
doesn't have the situational awareness to know and write the correct
year on a check, they need a conservator.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 1 2009 4:43 pm
From: tmclone@searchmachine.com

On Jan 1, 6:08 pm, MSfort...@mcpmail.com wrote:
> Jamie wrote:
> > On Jan 1, 7:24 am, "'nam vet." <georgewks...@humboldt1.com> wrote:
> > > even if you still put '08 on your checks, the bank will cash them , well,
> > > for a while.
> > > --
> > > When the Power of Love,replaces the Love of Power.
> > > that's Evolution.
>
> > As 2007 drew to a close, I got the idea to predate my checks for '08
> > so as not to write the wrong year. And as 2008 ended yesterday, I
> > wrote one last check for '08 and wrote 09 ahead of time on the next
> > few checks in sequence.
>
> If it works for you, fine I guess. In my estimation, if a person
> doesn't have the situational awareness to know and write the correct
> year on a check, they need a conservator.

Agreed. Since I do almost every payment online or via automatic
deduction, I write maybe 5 checks a year, so remembering the correct
year isn't exactly difficult.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 1 2009 11:08 pm
From: Jeff

tmclone@searchmachine.com wrote:
> On Jan 1, 6:08 pm, MSfort...@mcpmail.com wrote:
>> Jamie wrote:
>>> On Jan 1, 7:24 am, "'nam vet." <georgewks...@humboldt1.com> wrote:
>>>> even if you still put '08 on your checks, the bank will cash them , well,
>>>> for a while.
>>>> --
>>>> When the Power of Love,replaces the Love of Power.
>>>> that's Evolution.
>>> As 2007 drew to a close, I got the idea to predate my checks for '08
>>> so as not to write the wrong year. And as 2008 ended yesterday, I
>>> wrote one last check for '08 and wrote 09 ahead of time on the next
>>> few checks in sequence.
>> If it works for you, fine I guess. In my estimation, if a person
>> doesn't have the situational awareness to know and write the correct
>> year on a check, they need a conservator.
>
> Agreed. Since I do almost every payment online or via automatic
> deduction, I write maybe 5 checks a year, so remembering the correct
> year isn't exactly difficult.

I agree, the only checks I write are to troglodytes, usually
government entities.

Jeff

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TOPIC: Epigenetics for young and old
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 1 2009 11:05 am
From: phil scott

Epi means 'above' or as a precursor to... over riding genetics etc.
in this case.

Its an old but fast advancing science. Search recent book by Dr
D'adamo (sp).

many facinating studies bearing on how genetics changes in the womb,
or more accurately which genes get active and which supressed ...while
the baby is forming in the womb, according to the stresses the mother
is facing at the time... if she is not well fed, then the child will
be programmed in the womb for such a world... tending to hoard
things, eat too much, and retain the fats etc.. or get lazy, hyper
active and whatever.

accordinglly it appears that the 5 generation national life cycles
described in great detail by Kondratiev (his 260 year long cycles) and
analyzed by Dr Ravi Batra in his book 'the coming collapse (or
depression) 1990.. is driven by epigenetic factors..
\
the genes remain the same, but are selectively tuned as we are pre
birth and later to drive behaviors at that level..beyond our choice
levels.

I wont elaborate on the obvous effects of flush times on the
epigenetics of its offspring, the results though seem evident these
days.

**
a cure:

I am age 68, a working tradesman/ and consulting engineer when I can
get a contract (industrial mechanical/ electrical systems and
controls)... and in my slack time my body and metabolism can get
slower than mollasses, its bad for my health... epigenetics effects
of laying around.

When I get jambed into a hard work situation for a few weeks, it is
quite painful, most people would nto perist, but I persist and
recover.. the recovery time physically is about 2 months... mentally
it is in the 5 to 10 year range unfortunately.

Ive been though both cycles more than a few times, and am currently
doing very well mentally after 10 debilitating years consulting
(mental work without the physical interaction while associating with
idiots is debilitating... all stress, no joy, no control.).

**
as the USA heads into its collapse phase, life will get difficult,
many will go hungry, forcing people to work hard......... and
recover.

It will take a while however nationally, given the massive debt we
have accumulated and various bad law and way too much of our
rescourses spent on govt bloat.

That would be the epigeneitcs of national recovery in my view.

Phil scott

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TOPIC: Has Anyone Tried L.E.D. Lightbulbs For Their Home?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 1 2009 11:38 am
From: E Z Peaces

phil scott wrote:
> On Dec 31, 10:50 am, E Z Peaces <c...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> Don Klipstein wrote:
>>> In article <Niz6l.537$3y5....@bignews4.bellsouth.net>, E Z Peaces wrote:
>>>> Doesn't the skin require the destructive kind of UV, where the sun is
>>>> above 45 degrees, to make Vitamin D? Can you get that from a bulb?
>>>> Doesn't that mean ingesting the vitamin at least in winter can be vital
>>>> for people who don't live in the tropics?
>>> Incandescents in general don't. Some halogens (all of which have bare
>>> halogen "capsules" without outer bulbs, and not even all of those) do
>>> provide some significant UV-B at close range, sometimes also along with a
>>> significant trace of UV-C - highly considered harmful.
>>> I have often heard of sun being 40 degrees above the horizon being
>>> sufficient to produce adequate Vitamin D in the skin. There are also
>>> supplements and fortified milk.
>>> - Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)
>> Here's a page I like:http://au.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080107072603AAfpfSP
>>
>> It says uvb is 5% at 40 degrees and 18% at 50 degrees.
>> It says if A is the sun's elevation and K is the number of extinction
>> magnitudes for radiation passing through the atmosphere at 90 degrees,
>> the relative intensity is 10^(-K*(1-sinA)/2.5sinA).
>>
>> With a normal amount of ozone, K is 6 magnitudes for uvb, which seems to
>> mean 10% at 45 degrees.
>>
>> So somewhere around 40 to 50 degrees, people who spend time in the sun
>> at noon might not get enough Vitamin D from it. At Fort Lauderdale you
>> would get 40 degrees in winter. Corpus Christi is too far north.
>>
>> I think it was in 1999 that a large group of elderly Americans were
>> tested and most found to be deficient in Vitamin D. Milk has been
>> fortified since 1930 or so. D2 was the most common additive because it
>> was cheapest. It worked for lab rats, but after 70 years they found it
>> didn't work so well for humans.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> good info, thanks
>
> Phil scott

I like to use a 45-degree limit, partly because it's easy to see by
shadows. During the time of day that the sun is higher, I wear a hat
and walk or stand rather than work or rest in the sun. That way my
limbs are vertical. My summer exposure is likely to be 40 degrees or
less, which Don says may be adequate. I pick up plenty of uva that way,
and I've read that this helps protect the skin from uvb damage.

Once a woman asked me to help her pick poke salad. If I'd known how
long it would take I would have gone home for my hat. The sun climbed
to 45 degrees and we weren't finished. Fifteen minutes after it broke
through heavy clouds, I got my hat. My face was red for a few days.

My neighbor asked me to mow his 1.5-acre lot about Labor Day. I had to
mow in the middle of the day. All year I'd been spending about 6 hours
a day in the sun, but not with my legs horizontal under the midday sun.
They got sunburned.

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TOPIC: Better think twice about supporting M$ / Windows
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/91b29b33b75bb0d0?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 1 2009 11:56 am
From: "Bill"

"Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> wrote in message
news:JTx6l.11808$c45.6020@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com...
>
> "Stray Dog" <sdog2008@sdf.lonestar.org> wrote in message
> news:Pine.NEB.4.64.0812302224150.11906@sdf.lonestar.org...
>
> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008, Seerialmom wrote:
>
> > Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 12:23:02 -0800 (PST)
> > From: Seerialmom <seerialmom@yahoo.com>
> > Newsgroups: microsoft.public.development.device.drivers, misc.invest.stocks,
> > misc.consumers.frugal-living
> > Subject: Re: Better think twice about supporting M$ / Windows
> >
> > On Dec 30, 12:16 pm, "Dave" <now...@nohow2.not> wrote:
> >>> I think its just going to be an option. No way are pc mfgs going to
> >>> cancel pc sales.
> >>
> >> Not to mention, most hardware enthusiasts roll their own, anyway. And linux
> >> is not for sale at any price. -Dave
> >
> > That's not Linux I see on the shelves at Fry's or Best Buy?? Or is it
> > not really Linux if it has another name like Red Hat or Ubuntu?
>
> If it says Linux, then it should be some "distribution" (i.e. under Red
> Hat or Ubuntu or any of the other "distribution" names). I have no idea
> what the guy means by not for sale at any price. If you care to dig around
> and learn how to do it and have high speed access, you can get a copy for
> free.
>
> The problems with Linux (I spent a few years, a few years ago, looking
> hard at Linux and came back to windows 98 second edition for 99% of my
> work plus I refused to upgrade my software for two reasons: i) I could do
> everything I needed to do with what I had, and ii) I refuse to help bill
> gates get even richer) is that you need to know more than you think to
> "take care of it". The advantage of Windows is that it is as "plug and
> play" as any OS can be and Apple's OS-X is not as immune to hacks as they
> would like you to think (just google on "hack os-x" for 30,000 hits).
>
> And, by the way, OS-X is basically BSD, another unix clone like Linux, and
> you can get BSD cheap or free, too, but you also need to be a little geeky
> to know what you are doing.
>
> But, in the end, there is probably more software--easily installable and
> uninstallable--for Windows than anything else.
>
> The big insult with the new Windows (i.e. all late versions) is that they
> do not give you an "install disk" so you can re-install your OS if some
> hacker messes up your hard drive. It is critical that you get backup
> software, and backup your OS before you put it on the internet (before the
> spyware, rootkits, viruses, and other malicious code [coming in via java,
> javascript, etc] get on the box and mess you up). So, if you don't have a
> backup (and you have to be brave to try this), you end up taking your
> thing back to the store and spend maybe couple hundred bucks having THEM
> re-install the OS. And, you might call up a few repair stores and ask
> about this before you plunk down your money. I'm reading and hearing about
> people who --when their box starts behaving slow and erratic--just throw
> it away and buy a new box rather than nuke their hard drive and
> re-install.
>
> Another big insult with Microsoft is the product activation so that you
> have to contact them and get them to let you re-activate your software and
> its up to their pleasure to grant that or not. This part makes me think
> "go Linux" but as long as all the software I have now (Windows 98 second
> edition) works fine, I'm going to stay with it and not just to save money,
> but all the other agravation.
>
> Finding old versions of Windows is a pain, but might be possible on eBay,
> etc., and you'd better ask about the license that comes with the original
> disks. Of course, if you get a bootleg copy I suppose you also have the
> priviledge of re-installing without problems but just make sure you get
> that product code, which is often somewhere in the documentation that
> almost everyone throws away, thus making the disks useless. Microsoft
> pulled every trick it could to guarantee as much as possible to itself
> continued profits that come out of your wallet.
>
> I'm not sure where the world is going to be in 10-20 years, but THEY will
> get you to part with your money if they can.
>
>
> =========================================================
>
> Absolutely! Of course, Bill Gates wants your money.
>
> Bill Gates even dared to go on television (in this economy) to
> tell people that they should still donate (to his foundation).
>
> And worse, Bill Gates wants to screw Americans too ...
>
> Bill Gates makes the (bogus) case for more (cheap) foreign labor
> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070226-8924.html
>
> Shame on Bill Gates!
>
> That guy "um...er...uh"s a lot but he sure has nerves. :-)
>

Microsoft planning big layoffs for January?
http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-10130165-75.html

Hmmm ... I wonder how many will be Americans.

Bill Gates to Congress: Let us hire more foreigners
http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9892046-7.html

What ever happened to TRAINING? With technology moving at
warp speed, does Bill Gates plan to keep exchanging Americans for
cheap foreign labor?

So long as unemployment is high, H-1B visas do not make sense.
TRAINING...TRAINING...TRAINING...TRAINING...TRAINING...

Plead with your senators to cut importing foreign labor, students, etc.
U.S. taxpayers deserve better than this nonsense ...

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TOPIC: 2009, "Be prepared to fight to the finish or your kind will vanish".
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/766a9fc8c60bc0b0?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 1 2009 11:58 am
From: hpope@lycos.com

http://www.wvwnews.net/

Fine articles.

mitch

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 1 2009 8:54 pm
From: Bill Steele

In article
<b750dbd8-0ad4-4b50-ac0f-759f94befc46@e6g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>,
hpope@lycos.com wrote:

> http://www.wvwnews.net/
>
> Fine articles.
>
> mitch

Your opionion is SO important...

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TOPIC: Garage door remote GT90-1 vs. 912
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 1 2009 2:27 pm
From: "keep.earth.clean@gmail.com"

On Dec 31 2008, 2:46 pm, Goomba <Goomb...@comcast.net> wrote:
> keep.earth.cl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > I need an extra remote and somebody is offering a 912. Would this work
> > in lieu of a GT90-1?
>
> > Thanks
>
> Have you looked at the manufacturers website for manuals or information
> on this?

Yes, I did but could not find anything relevant.

Thanks

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 1 2009 10:48 pm
From: "keep.earth.clean@gmail.com"

On Jan 1, 2:27 pm, "keep.earth.cl...@gmail.com"
<keep.earth.cl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 31 2008, 2:46 pm, Goomba <Goomb...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > keep.earth.cl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > I need an extra remote and somebody is offering a 912. Would this work
> > > in lieu of a GT90-1?
>
> > > Thanks
>
> > Have you looked at the manufacturers website for manuals or information
> > on this?
>
> Yes, I did but could not find anything relevant.
>
> Thanks

Well, I physicall got hold of the 912. It works...

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TOPIC: I sure do want my penny!
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 1 2009 3:56 pm
From: lenona321@yahoo.com

See here for an etiquette thread I started a while back, titled: "Why
do cashiers ask 'do you want your change'?"

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.miss-manners/browse_thread/thread/fc68c1cf9b0776f3/15b3fdc2da804c87?lnk=gst&q=less+than+a+nickel#15b3fdc2da804c87

You'll enjoy it.

Lenona.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 1 2009 4:00 pm
From: Vic Smith

On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 15:56:37 -0800 (PST), lenona321@yahoo.com wrote:

>See here for an etiquette thread I started a while back, titled: "Why
>do cashiers ask 'do you want your change'?"
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.miss-manners/browse_thread/thread/fc68c1cf9b0776f3/15b3fdc2da804c87?lnk=gst&q=less+than+a+nickel#15b3fdc2da804c87
>
>You'll enjoy it.
>
Doubt it. Never been asked that by a cashier my entire life.
But I have had some looks of surprise when I tip fast food workers.

--Vic

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TOPIC: Miss Manners resolution for her readers - don't dump your bills on your
friends
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 1 2009 4:23 pm
From: lenona321@yahoo.com

Common sense, right? Not according to the mail she receives.

It's MM's main peeve. You'd think those who write to her, even for the
first time, would have heard by now that she doesn't approve, no
matter how big or important the occasion is to the writer - such as a
wedding.

http://timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=755601&category=LIFE

First fifth of the column:

"Here is a New Year's resolution for which nobody asked: Do not try to
live above your means.

"Yes, Miss Manners knows that everyone has resolved to cut back on
expenses. Probably every year since time began. It may be more urgent
now, but people are always doing that.

"However, that is not the resolution that Miss Manners proposes. She
is hoping for an end to the now commonplace attempts to live above
one's means by means of mean devices to use other people's means."

Lenona.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 1 2009 4:43 pm
From: lenona321@yahoo.com

And to quote what MM wrote years ago:

"If you can't afford champagne, serve punch. If you can't afford
punch, serve water. But serve it graciously."

Lenona.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 1 2009 5:56 pm
From: haranjoe@lycos.com

Visit etiquettehell.com for HORROR stories of Gimme Pig Brides trying
to charge a cover charge to their weddings, etc.

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Date: Thurs, Jan 1 2009 7:54 pm
From: "David"

I have been having trouble getting Paypal to work correctly with a bank
account and debit card. I have it all ready but something behind the scenes
isn't letting me get going. Would appreciate direction to a good
non-chexsystems bank that would allow me to sign up right away and receive a
debit card in a few days. Thanks.

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