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Friday, January 2, 2009

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misc.consumers.frugal-living
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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: date your checks '09,a few ahead.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/e5e8f1a53af5205b?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 1 2009 11:08 pm
From: Jeff

tmclone@searchmachine.com wrote:
> On Jan 1, 6:08 pm, MSfort...@mcpmail.com wrote:
>> Jamie wrote:
>>> On Jan 1, 7:24 am, "'nam vet." <georgewks...@humboldt1.com> wrote:
>>>> even if you still put '08 on your checks, the bank will cash them , well,
>>>> for a while.
>>>> --
>>>> When the Power of Love,replaces the Love of Power.
>>>> that's Evolution.
>>> As 2007 drew to a close, I got the idea to predate my checks for '08
>>> so as not to write the wrong year. And as 2008 ended yesterday, I
>>> wrote one last check for '08 and wrote 09 ahead of time on the next
>>> few checks in sequence.
>> If it works for you, fine I guess. In my estimation, if a person
>> doesn't have the situational awareness to know and write the correct
>> year on a check, they need a conservator.
>
> Agreed. Since I do almost every payment online or via automatic
> deduction, I write maybe 5 checks a year, so remembering the correct
> year isn't exactly difficult.

I agree, the only checks I write are to troglodytes, usually
government entities.

Jeff

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TOPIC: How to spot a bogus dollar?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/8b58a95aa07b12d1?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 2 2009 4:36 am
From: "'nam vet."

believe it or not someone locally counterfeited a dollar bill.
but, I really want to know is, how to spot a bad $20 u.s.?
--
When the Power of Love,replaces the Love of Power.
that's Evolution.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 2 2009 4:38 am
From: "David"

it may have certain markings on it removed. I've seen checkers hold it up to
the light to look for a watermark or a thin line or something. Maybe you
could look it up on the web about counterfeiting.

"'nam vet." <georgewkspam@humboldt1.com> wrote in message
news:georgewkspam-E2716E.04363302012009@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
> believe it or not someone locally counterfeited a dollar bill.
> but, I really want to know is, how to spot a bad $20 u.s.?
> --
> When the Power of Love,replaces the Love of Power.
> that's Evolution.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 2 2009 6:46 am
From: MSfortune@mcpmail.com

On Jan 2, 7:36 am, "'nam vet." <georgewks...@humboldt1.com> wrote:
> believe it or not someone locally counterfeited a dollar bill.
> but, I really want to know is, how to spot a bad $20 u.s.?
> --
> When the Power of Love,replaces the Love of Power.
> that's Evolution.

A bad $20 is that one you stuck in that pole dancer's G-string last
week.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 2 2009 6:52 am
From: "David"

<MSfortune@mcpmail.com> wrote in message
news:486b044a-8a13-43c9-9ff7-b91c11b6d8b0@b41g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 2, 7:36 am, "'nam vet." <georgewks...@humboldt1.com> wrote:
>> believe it or not someone locally counterfeited a dollar bill.
>> but, I really want to know is, how to spot a bad $20 u.s.?
>> --
>> When the Power of Love,replaces the Love of Power.
>> that's Evolution.
>
> A bad $20 is that one you stuck in that pole dancer's G-string last
> week.

that's not the hard part and please try to stay on topic

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TOPIC: 2009, "Be prepared to fight to the finish or your kind will vanish".
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/766a9fc8c60bc0b0?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 2 2009 4:36 am
From: Klaus Schadenfreude

In talk.politics.guns Bill Steele <ws21@cornell.edu> wrote:

>In article
><b750dbd8-0ad4-4b50-ac0f-759f94befc46@e6g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>,
> hpope@lycos.com wrote:
>
>> http://www.wvwnews.net/
>>
>> Fine articles.
>>
>> mitch
>
>Your opionion is SO important...

I'm sorta HOPING 2009 is the year they vanish....

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 2 2009 6:34 am
From: hal@nospam.com

On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:58:00 -0800 (PST), hpope@lycos.com wrote:

>http://www.wvwnews.net/
>
>Fine articles.
>
>mitch

racist garbage.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 2 2009 9:11 am
From: record hunter

On Jan 2, 9:34 am, h...@nospam.com wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:58:00 -0800 (PST), hp...@lycos.com wrote:
> >http://www.wvwnews.net/
>
> >Fine articles.
>
> >mitch
>
> racist garbage.

Poorly written racist garbage.

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TOPIC: Binary Newsserver needed.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/9104c76d877203e4?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 2 2009 5:17 am
From: "David"

I use Giganews.

<mailbox24@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:b4b864be-0c09-40d8-98e0-d405e3fb2abe@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>I do value the opinions of posters in this group. You have protected
> me from several mistakes in the past by your posts and so I am
> wondering if you have had any experience with the NNTPjunkie Usenet
> service.
>
> Your comments are greatly appreciated. Thank you.

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http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/7b6dafafbd4ee950?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 2 2009 6:41 am
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TOPIC: FREE Unlimited Streaming TV Shows, Movies, Music, Games, Money, Books,
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 2 2009 8:17 am
From: Jackpot

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TOPIC: Trouble with Credit
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 2 2009 10:04 am
From: tmclone@searchmachine.com

On Jan 1, 10:54 pm, "David" <davi...@spamex.com> wrote:
> I have been having trouble getting Paypal to work correctly with a bank
> account and debit card. I have it all ready but something behind the scenes
> isn't letting me get going. Would appreciate direction to a good
> non-chexsystems bank that would allow me to sign up right away and receive a
> debit card in a few days. Thanks.

What do you mean "get going"? You enter your info and after they
confirm your bank account you can send and receive money. Why would
PayPal send you a debit card?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 2 2009 3:18 pm
From: larry

tmclone@searchmachine.com wrote:
> On Jan 1, 10:54 pm, "David" <davi...@spamex.com> wrote:
>> I have been having trouble getting Paypal to work correctly with a bank
>> account and debit card. I have it all ready but something behind the scenes
>> isn't letting me get going. Would appreciate direction to a good
>> non-chexsystems bank that would allow me to sign up right away and receive a
>> debit card in a few days. Thanks.
>
> What do you mean "get going"? You enter your info and after they
> confirm your bank account you can send and receive money. Why would
> PayPal send you a debit card?

Paypal is pushing their card products. I get a spam screen
everytime I log in, and again when I pay for a purchase.

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TOPIC: Anyone else seeing mystery phone numbers on Embarq long distance bill?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/5143a3a3f5a603f2?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 2 2009 11:00 am
From: brassplyer

I have a local/long dist/DSL package with Embarq & noticed a couple of
calls on my long distance bill that I know I didn't make. It's an
unlisted number in a state where I don't know anyone, haven't had any
occasion to have any business dealings. The reason I noticed this is
that I make very few l/d calls and suddenly there was a larger amount
under the l/d than normal.

I called Embarq to advise them, and they said as I expected that "on
their records it looks like I made the calls" but as a one-time
courtesy they'll credit my account for the amount.

I went back several months online and didn't find any other mystery
calls but something else I didn't notice before is that they weren't
printing details of l/d calls on my bill. It refers me to the website
for details of the calls. When I asked about this, they said okay
they'd start printing my l/d details on the bill. This is the first
company I've dealt with that didn't do this by default. They do print
intrastate l/d calls by default. I asked if he knew why, he said it
was a cost-saving measure. When you do go to the online bill, they've
got it buried under several layers to finally see the phone number
which you have to go through every time you switch to view a different
billing period.

So either someone somehow made calls on my line or there's some issue
with their billing mis-assigning l/d charges to the wrong bill.
Wondering how the former would be accomplished, or if anyone has had
problems with the latter.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 2 2009 11:23 am
From: brassplyer

Repeating to add misc.consumers.house

I called Embarq to advise them, and they said as I expected that "on
their records it looks like I made the calls" but as a one-time
courtesy they'll credit my account for the amount.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 2 2009 6:38 pm
From: Stray Dog

See farther below....

On Fri, 2 Jan 2009, brassplyer wrote:

> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 11:00:40 -0800 (PST)
> From: brassplyer <brassplyer@yahoo.com>
> Newsgroups: misc.consumers, misc.consumers.frugal-living
> Subject: Anyone else seeing mystery phone numbers on Embarq long distance
> bill?
>
> I have a local/long dist/DSL package with Embarq & noticed a couple of
> calls on my long distance bill that I know I didn't make. It's an
> unlisted number in a state where I don't know anyone, haven't had any
> occasion to have any business dealings. The reason I noticed this is
> that I make very few l/d calls and suddenly there was a larger amount
> under the l/d than normal.
>
> I called Embarq to advise them, and they said as I expected that "on
> their records it looks like I made the calls" but as a one-time
> courtesy they'll credit my account for the amount.
>
> I went back several months online and didn't find any other mystery
> calls but something else I didn't notice before is that they weren't
> printing details of l/d calls on my bill. It refers me to the website
> for details of the calls. When I asked about this, they said okay
> they'd start printing my l/d details on the bill. This is the first
> company I've dealt with that didn't do this by default. They do print
> intrastate l/d calls by default. I asked if he knew why, he said it
> was a cost-saving measure. When you do go to the online bill, they've
> got it buried under several layers to finally see the phone number
> which you have to go through every time you switch to view a different
> billing period.

I appreciate your concern, but you should be concerned. My bank, after
Check 21 went into effect, does not send the cancelled checks back but
provides "images". Then, I noticed recently that even the images have
disappeared and they have abbreiviated entries for the "pay to" person or
entity and so you can't even see any notes you may have written on your
check, either.

Companies seem to be deliberately _hiding_ all kinds of things on their
website and take the attitude that YOU have to go to their website and YOU
find any new policy/proceedure that they add/change/etc., on your own, and
without notice. It helps them get away with murder.

I don't know what Embarq does for you, but I am looking for any and all
kinds of "annonymous" systems out there, such as pay-as-you-go such as
tracfone. I buy with cash a PIN number that adds minutes and they don't
know who I am (they can know who I call, fine), but I have worried less
about this system than almost anything else I buy. All the banks are
getting worse about a lot of things, too. I've even had trouble at the
USPS over stuff that I should not have trouble with.

Watch out for all that fine print and look for clauses that can give you
trouble.

And, another little doozie: we've noticed here, on certain web browsers on
certain hardware, on certain websites, that not all of certain kinds of
e-commerce show up correctly or completely, either, on what is displayed
on your screen. Guess what else? Same OS, same web browser, same browser
updates, and on different hardware, also gives different screens!!! And,
when we told one CS department about this, they blew us off. And, then,
weeks later they must have gotten tons of complaints because they fixed
it. Also no announcement, no "we're sorry we ignored you," nothing. Just
big 8,000 lb gorilla out there; take your chances.

> So either someone somehow made calls on my line or there's some issue
> with their billing mis-assigning l/d charges to the wrong bill.
> Wondering how the former would be accomplished, or if anyone has had
> problems with the latter.

Hacking and phreaking (hacking the phone company, etc) may be more
advanced than you think.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 2 2009 10:18 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Stray Dog wrote:
> brassplyer <brassplyer@yahoo.com> wrote

>> I have a local/long dist/DSL package with Embarq & noticed a couple
>> of calls on my long distance bill that I know I didn't make. It's an
>> unlisted number in a state where I don't know anyone, haven't had any
>> occasion to have any business dealings. The reason I noticed this is
>> that I make very few l/d calls and suddenly there was a larger amount
>> under the l/d than normal.
>>
>> I called Embarq to advise them, and they said as I expected that "on
>> their records it looks like I made the calls" but as a one-time
>> courtesy they'll credit my account for the amount.
>>
>> I went back several months online and didn't find any other mystery
>> calls but something else I didn't notice before is that they weren't
>> printing details of l/d calls on my bill. It refers me to the website
>> for details of the calls. When I asked about this, they said okay
>> they'd start printing my l/d details on the bill. This is the first
>> company I've dealt with that didn't do this by default. They do print
>> intrastate l/d calls by default. I asked if he knew why, he said it
>> was a cost-saving measure. When you do go to the online bill, they've
>> got it buried under several layers to finally see the phone number
>> which you have to go through every time you switch to view a
>> different billing period.

> I appreciate your concern, but you should be concerned. My bank, after Check 21 went into effect, does not send the
> cancelled checks back but provides "images".

Only fools/dinosaurs use checks anymore.

> Then, I noticed recently that even the images have disappeared and they have abbreiviated entries for the "pay to"
> person or entity and so you can't even see any notes you may have written on your check, either.

Only fools/dinosaurs write notes on the checks.

> Companies seem to be deliberately _hiding_ all kinds of things on their website and take the attitude that YOU have to
> go to their website and YOU find any new policy/
> proceedure that they add/change/etc., on your own, and without notice. It helps them get away with murder.

Yeah, yeah, its those damned jews conspiring in smoke filled rooms to shaft us all...

> I don't know what Embarq does for you, but I am looking for any and
> all kinds of "annonymous" systems out there, such as pay-as-you-go
> such as tracfone. I buy with cash a PIN number that adds minutes and
> they don't know who I am (they can know who I call, fine), but I have
> worried less about this system than almost anything else I buy. All
> the banks are getting worse about a lot of things, too. I've even had
> trouble at the USPS over stuff that I should not have trouble with.

You should do the decent thing and set fire to yourself in 'protest' or sumfin.

> Watch out for all that fine print and look for clauses that can give you trouble.

Most havent been given the bums rush and have plenty better to do with their time.

> And, another little doozie: we've noticed here, on certain web browsers on certain hardware, on certain websites, that
> not all of certain kinds of e-commerce show up correctly or completely, either, on what is displayed on your screen.
> Guess what else? Same OS, same web browser, same browser updates, and on different hardware, also gives different
> screens!!!

Thats those damned jews again!!!!!!

> And, when we told one CS department about this, they blew us off.

Cant imagine why for the life of me.

> And, then, weeks later they must have gotten tons of complaints because they fixed it.

Or you ran out of the whacky weed...

> Also no announcement, no "we're sorry we ignored you," nothing. Just big 8,000 lb gorilla out there; take your
> chances.

You should do the decent thing and set fire to yourself in 'protest' or sumfin.

>> So either someone somehow made calls on my line or there's some issue
>> with their billing mis-assigning l/d charges to the wrong bill.
>> Wondering how the former would be accomplished, or if anyone has had
>> problems with the latter.

> Hacking and phreaking (hacking the phone company, etc) may be more advanced than you think.

Or you've been at that whacky weed, again.

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TOPIC: bank account referral
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/d39814b9a9a7e666?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 2 2009 12:31 pm
From: "David"

Hi, I would like to know of a good american bank to use with bad or limited
credit history. I have used other check cards but they did not offer checks,
and found it difficult to even up with paypal. I also may have a mark or two
on chex systems that is preventing me from getting a good checking account
anywhere. I also have incurred debt at three loan establishments with
nothing much to show for it. Thanks, I am new hear but have participated
before.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 2 2009 5:17 pm
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <ypedncK3NvAJ5MPUnZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
"David" <usenet-email@spamex.com> wrote:

> Hi, I would like to know of a good american bank to use with bad or limited
> credit history. I have used other check cards but they did not offer checks,
> and found it difficult to even up with paypal. I also may have a mark or two
> on chex systems that is preventing me from getting a good checking account
> anywhere. I also have incurred debt at three loan establishments with
> nothing much to show for it. Thanks, I am new hear but have participated
> before.

For information on banks, see http://www.bankrate.com but note that as
long as you are not applying for a credit line and you have proof of
your address, any bank should be willing to give you an account.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 2 2009 6:36 pm
From: Samatha Hill -- take out TRASH to reply

Shawn Hirn wrote:
>
> For information on banks, see http://www.bankrate.com but note that as
> long as you are not applying for a credit line and you have proof of
> your address, any bank should be willing to give you an account.

This is actually not true in the US. There is a bank network reporting
people who frequently bounce/kite/whatever checks, and those people tend
to have a much harder time opening an account.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 2 2009 9:31 pm
From: itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net

On Jan 2, 8:36 pm, Samatha Hill -- take out TRASH to reply
<samh...@TRASHsonic.net> wrote:
> Shawn Hirn wrote:
>
> > For information on banks, seehttp://www.bankrate.combut note that as
> > long as you are not applying for a credit line and you have proof of
> > your address, any bank should be willing to give you an account.
>
> This is actually not true in the US. There is a bank network reporting
> people who frequently bounce/kite/whatever checks, and those people tend
> to have a much harder time opening an account.

>
>
What Samantha says is true. 20+ years ago a jerk who was my b/f at
the time also messed up his chance of getting a checking account much
like this David person. Like an idiot I opened an account in both our
names. BIG MISTAKE. He soon started the same sloppy checking
practices as before. I learned my lesson and quickly closed that
account and sent him packing!

Until this David person mans up to his problem and fixes it, he'll
find getting a checking account almost impossible.

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TOPIC: Epigenetics for young and old
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/7a232ebcde5aeb1e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 2 2009 6:26 pm
From: MSfortune@mcpmail.com

On Jan 1, 2:05 pm, phil scott <p...@philscott.net> wrote:
> Epi means 'above' or as a precursor to... over riding genetics etc.
> in this case.
>
> Its an old but fast advancing science. Search recent book by Dr
> D'adamo (sp).
>
> many facinating studies bearing on how genetics changes in the womb,
> or more accurately which genes get active and which supressed ...while
> the baby is forming in the womb, according to the stresses the mother
> is facing at the time... if she is not well fed, then the child will
> be programmed in the womb for such a world... tending to hoard
> things, eat too much, and retain the fats etc.. or get lazy, hyper
> active and whatever.
>
> accordinglly it appears that the 5 generation national life cycles
> described in great detail by Kondratiev (his 260 year long cycles) and
> analyzed by Dr Ravi Batra in his book 'the coming collapse (or
> depression) 1990.. is driven by epigenetic factors..
> \
> the genes remain the same, but are selectively tuned as we are pre
> birth and later to drive behaviors at that level..beyond our choice
> levels.
>
> I wont elaborate on the obvous effects of flush times on the
> epigenetics of its offspring, the results though seem evident these
> days.
>
> **
> a cure:
>
> I am age 68, a working tradesman/ and consulting engineer when I can
> get a contract (industrial mechanical/ electrical systems and
> controls)... and in my slack time my body and metabolism can get
> slower than mollasses, its bad for my health... epigenetics effects
> of laying around.
>
> When I get jambed into a hard work situation for a few weeks, it is
> quite painful, most people would nto perist, but I persist and
> recover.. the recovery time physically is about 2 months... mentally
> it is in the 5 to 10 year range unfortunately.
>
> Ive been though both cycles more than a few times, and am currently
> doing very well mentally after 10 debilitating years consulting
> (mental work without the physical interaction while associating with
> idiots is debilitating... all stress, no joy, no control.).
>
> **
> as the USA heads into its collapse phase, life will get difficult,
> many will go hungry, forcing people to work hard......... and
> recover.
>
> It will take a while however nationally, given the massive debt we
> have accumulated and various bad law and way too much of our
> rescourses spent on govt bloat.
>
> That would be the epigeneitcs of national recovery in my view.
>
> Phil scott

Well Phil, the good news is you won't have to go through this hell
much longer. Hope cramming for your finals works out.

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TOPIC: Better think twice about supporting M$ / Windows
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/91b29b33b75bb0d0?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 2 2009 6:52 pm
From: Stray Dog

On Wed, 31 Dec 2008, Dave wrote:

> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:51:19 -0500
> From: Dave <noway1@nohow2.not>
> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.development.device.drivers, misc.invest.stocks,
> misc.consumers.frugal-living
> Subject: Re: Better think twice about supporting M$ / Windows
>
>>>> The advantage of Windows is that it is as "plug and play" as any OS can
>>>> be
>>> That's not true. Windows isn't as "plug and play" as any OS can be.
>>
>> Name one that comes even close.
>>
>>
>> Drivers are a major problem for any OS/device compatibility.
>>
>> I'm still going to say that its going to be easier to get your peripherals
>> to work under Windows and, believe me, I do not like MS/BG/Windows.
>
> You haven't installed any recent linux distro, then.

I tried Ubuntu recently (you're not reading my posts). All fine until the
OS could not find my modem.

Before that, I had Red Hat's workstation (ver 3, Taroon), which also had
hardware incompatibility problems. Before that, I had every version of RH
back to ver 4.2, and Caldera OpenLinux (which installed on one box, and
crashed on install on another box), and several other distros all of which
crashed on install. The most compatible RHs were 5.2 and 6.2, and I was
successful in installing these on EVERY box (more than a dozen) AND got
the modem to work in ALL of these, plus the printer working.

Installing Windows XP
> or Vista properly can take hours,

I'm not ever going to use Vista. Put XP on two boxes here, less than one
hour, and modems work, box works, printer works.

when you factor in the time it takes you to
> find, download and install all the proper drivers.

If YOU want to chase all over hell for whatever you need, go ahead.

In contrast, installing
> linux on the same hardware to a USABLE state, can take as little as 5
> minutes.

I've installed Red Hat 5.2 on a 486 box in 10 minutes. What is your
maximium? How many have you done?

> Linux has a bad rep. because some proprietary hardware solutions are not well
> supported in linux

Oh, no kidding?

(but the same can be said for windows, especially 64-bit
> windows). But if you try to install linux on any fairly recent mid-range
> system without any exotic bleeding edge hardware, the simplicity of the
> install (ESPECIALLY compared to Windows) will amaze you.

I spent MANY years on most of the Linux newsgroups back from 1999 to about
2004-5, and can tell you if anyone wants to search the archives...there is
a tone of woe out there. No less than Windows or Macs (and I read the Mac
newsgroups too for six months; they have problems, too).

-Dave
> (triple-boots various linux distros with vista and xp)

Yeah, I've had that too. OS2, DOS, Linux, Windows (many).

Don't go pumping up stuff just because you had good luck with it. Just
like the newer versions of Windows, the newer versions of Linux had
upgrades in hardware stringency.

Oh, yes, there is a bug in the new Ubuntu multiboot option.

No, they do NOT have all the bugs out of it (Ubuntu), although they did
clean up the graphics glitches (but not the software glitches).

I'm really sorry, I like the idea of Linux, but I went back to my most
convenient OS: Win98SE, where they got the bugs down to the point where I
can put it on any of my boxes and know I'll get everything I want to work.
And, I do NOT like MS or Bill Gates, either.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 2 2009 7:07 pm
From: Stray Dog

On Wed, 31 Dec 2008, Dave wrote:

> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:46:05 -0500
> From: Dave <noway1@nohow2.not>
> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.development.device.drivers, misc.invest.stocks,
> misc.consumers.frugal-living
> Subject: Re: Better think twice about supporting M$ / Windows
>
>
>> I agree; many new systems no longer have "install disks". There's a
>> "system restore" partition you invoke through keystroke commands on
>> bootup if you need to wipe/reinstall/restore. Doesn't do you much
>> good if 1. the drive is fried 2. you upgrade to a larger drive.
>
> Assuming the drive is NOT fried and you need to restore the system, a "system
> restore" partition still won't do you any good. Without exception, Windows
> is pre-installed in pre-built computer systems in a state that is virtually
> unusable. You can spend many hours trying to uninstall all the unwanted
> bloatware that is slowing down your computer, only to have the registry
> hopelessly fucked. Or, (this is the proper fix) you can use a real windows
> install disk to format c: and install windows fresh. That is what you have
> to do before you even USE a brand new computer, if the computer comes with
> windows pre-installed. This is not optional, but required. If you want your
> computer to work correctly, that is.
>
> So the system restore partition does you absolutely ZERO good if you ever
> need to re-install Windows. At best, if it works, it will restore the system
> to the original state, which is unusable. -Dave
>

There is an even worse situation: Lots of hardware (desktops and laptops)
coming out now is "hardwired" to an OEM version of Windows (XP, etc.)
written for exclusively THAT hardware, and you _cannot_ install any OTHER
OS even if you want to. I've heard this from several guys who tried it and
they are not dummies who never built boxes or installed OSes from a empty
HD.

Its another reason for people to go with "white boxes" which _should_ be
compatible with any OS (and its aps, with exceptions for undocumented
bugs, hardware incompatibilities, etc.). I've had various kinds of trouble
with boxes with IBM logos and peculiar MB layouts, specialized ribbons &
connectors, and weirdo POST sequences.

Go to your supplier who should know if Linux will load, and make sure he
tells you WHAT versions it will load, and where did he get his information
from. I've had all manner of combinations of Linux versions that installed
on Box A, B but not C, and D, and other versions that would install on C
and D, but not A and B.

Then, you can worry if the aps and applets will work, too. Back in the
earlier days (When MS IE was stable and Windows crashed) of Linux it was a
shock to users to find that Linux was stable, but the Netscape had more
bugs in it and crashed all the time on certain websites with certain
hardware. Its in the Linux NG archives back 7-8 years ago.

Oh, yes, I've used StarOffice (5.2) when Sun first gave it away, $10 for a
CDROM with versions for Linux, Windows, OS2, and Solaris. Tried all but
Solaris. Various bugs. Under OS2 StarOffice would crash as a webbrowser
on almost any but simplest websites. Better on Linux and Windows (in case
some of you didn't know that old StarOffice had web browswer capabilities).

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 2 2009 7:44 pm
From: ezekielk@goct.net (Zeke Krahlin)

On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 04:08:11 -0500, strabo <strabo@flashlight.net>
wrote:

>Once this optimal level is attained, oppression will rapidly increase
>fostering a physical revolution and overthrow of government.

That's it in a nutshell. :/
--
Final Testament (bible for queers only)
http://www.gay-bible.org

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