Frugal Living: misc.consumers.frugal-living - 25 new messages in 12 topics

Thursday, January 8, 2009

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TOPIC: USENET USE EXPLODES
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/0064c37729751b0a?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 7 2009 10:19 pm
From: "catalpa"

"Dave Garland" <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote in message
news:fo6dnUBis4UY_vjUnZ2dnUVZ_rjinZ2d@posted.visi...
> catalpa wrote:
>
>> The "unprecedented growth" seen by Giganews is because the complete moron
>> NY
>> AG Andrew Cuomo forced every ISP doing business in NY to dump Usenet
>> service
>> because a handful of binary groups contained kiddie porn.
>
> The ISPs are using that as an excuse, because they don't want to
> bother with Usenet anyhow. According to the people at my ISP, an ISP
> that probably has a much techier clientele than the average cable
> company, relatively few people use Usenet or even know what it is
> (some think it's a google operation), and it's a PITA to maintain the
> servers. So they got rid of their own servers and use Giganews as the
> server.
>
> After all, in the minds of the public, "Internet" == "web".
>
> Dave

Let's say you are an ISP such as Verizon, are you going to spend hundreds of
thousands or millions of dollars on legal fees fighting the complete moron
NY AG Andrew Cuomo and be unfairly labelled pro kiddie porn or are you just
going to cave in and dump 99% of Usenet?

ISPs have never needed an excuse to get rid of Usenet as every ISP's TOS
allows them to alter their service as they please.

In the past I have seen estimates that only 3% to 5% of the average ISP's
customers use Usenet. Someone must be very, very busy 24/7 posting that 4.6
terabytes that shows up on Usenet every day.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 8 2009 9:44 am
From: Dave Garland

catalpa wrote:
> Let's say you are an ISP such as Verizon, are you going to spend hundreds of
> thousands or millions of dollars on legal fees fighting the complete moron
> NY AG Andrew Cuomo and be unfairly labelled pro kiddie porn or are you just
> going to cave in and dump 99% of Usenet?

They *could* have just dumped the sex groups, or the binary groups
(after all, pictures are where the porn is). But it was a great
excuse to dump the whole thing. It's not like Verizon actually wants
to provide services, if they can get you to give them money without
doing so. I'm not defending Cuomo, but the Verizons aren't any better.

> In the past I have seen estimates that only 3% to 5% of the average ISP's
> customers use Usenet. Someone must be very, very busy 24/7 posting that 4.6
> terabytes that shows up on Usenet every day.

I dunno. The binary groups eat space pretty fast, I'd bet that 3/4 of
that volume is binaries. As for the text groups, the spammers
probably have it automated. But you're probably right of the usage,
most people don't know Usenet exists.

Dave

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TOPIC: If you want to try Linux.....
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 8 2009 12:43 am
From: Jeff

Tony Sivori wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:32:38 +0000, Stray Dog wrote:
>
>> Since there was a good deal of well-meaning discussion recently about
>> Linux, let me make a few suggestions:
>>
>> 1. It's always nice to learn about the bad stuff before you let your
>> "dreams" blind you to reality.
>>
>> So, do a google search on the string "linux sucks" and see what the
>> authors say and decide if what they say is something you can dismiss or
>> think about. Its always fun to do searches on strings "X sucks" because
>> you can get to the dirt under the rug before the dirt gets to you.
>
> And if you did the same for Microsoft Windows, you'd no doubt conclude
> that each and every minute the blue screen of death fights the viruses,
> worms, and Trojans for dominance on your computer.
>
>> 2. Some more recent distributions of Linux can be totally booted and run
>> all the aps off the CDROM disk (in the drive), and some are on DVD disks
>> (you'd better figure out what is what on DVD drives and disks because
>> there are different kinds, now, and I can't help you on that). You have
>> to be able to get into your CMOS BIOS setup and configure the boot
>> sequence for your CDROM (or DVD) drive first, then anything else.
>
> Most late model PCs will boot automatically from a bootable CD, no mucking
> about in the bios needed.
>
>> My most recent tests were with Ubuntu ver 8.0 (about two years old or
>> less) on a CDROM disk in the back of an UBUNTU book from the local
>> bookstore ($35 out of my pocket). Yes, it did boot up and I could run
>> it.
>
> There is no 8.0 version of Ubuntu. Buy a clue.
>
>> But, my disappointment was with the failure of the OS to find my modem.
>>
>> Those of you with "winmodems" which are pnp technology will be out of
>> luck unless you can find Linux drivers for that modem. Some computers
>> have the modem built into the motherboard and that migh make them SOL
>> for you.
>
> You're still on 56k dial up? You could buy a real hardware modem for about
> $20. It would pay for itself in the next software (OS or applications)
> that you didn't have to buy.
>
>> But, you can try to boot up, and see if you can get your printer to work
>> and your modem (or whatever else you have for net access). If you have a
>> cable modem and fios cables, it might work.
>
> If you have a cable modem that connects to the PC by Ethernet, it will
> work. Period.
>
>> 3. Sometimes you can do a lot better by buying those big 800-1000 page
>> books at discount bookstores on Linux and if they have Linux install
>> disks in a pocket at the end of the book. My most recent purchass of Red
>> hat workstations (more expensive than the books) came with incredibly
>> poor and misleading "manuals" that were more like comic books and I
>> don't see how any newcomer would have any success at all.
>
> You have no idea what you're talking about.
>
> Buying a book or magazine for an included CD means you'll usually end up
> with an outdated version.
>
> Pick a good consumer oriented distro like Ubuntu or Mandriva, download it
> free and legal, and try it.

I've got a touch screen tablet I'm thinking of loading a *nix flavor on.

I've heard all the raving about Ubuntu, but it seems like Mandriva has
long had the edge. I don't have much spare time, should I believe the
Ubuntu hype or just load up Mandriva?

Jeff

>
> I've used Linux on my desktop for five years. Getting started was easy.
> Getting the depth of knowledge in Linux that I had in Windows involves
> some learning.
>
>> 4. My Ubuntu absolutely needed 256 MB of ram or it would not boot up.
>> Both of my Win XPs work fine at 128 MB of ram.
>
> Really? I just this moment pulled one stick from my spare computer,
> leaving it with 128 MB. Ubuntu 8.10 (the latest version) booted just fine.
> Although I'd be the first to say that I wouldn't want to try to do much
> with any PC running a modern OS crippled by 128 MB of ram.
>

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TOPIC: The Vatican critisizes the wall
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 8 2009 1:33 am
From: hpope@lycos.com

On Jan 7, 9:07 pm, "f. barnes" <fre...@centurytel.net> wrote:
> http://feetin2worlds.wordpress.com/2009/01/06/vatican-news-service-cr...
>
> IMO the Vatican (Catholic Church) is an enemy of this nation, and has
> allied itself with the hostile nation of Mexico to do us great harm.

Vatican is joined by the National Council of Churches, Binai Brith; a
streak
of degeneracy reeks from major religious organizations re:
immigration.

mitch

http://www.wvwnews.net/ Western Voices World News

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 8 2009 6:06 am
From: Globalist

On Jan 8, 3:33 am, hp...@lycos.com wrote:
> On Jan 7, 9:07 pm, "f. barnes" <fre...@centurytel.net> wrote:
>
> >http://feetin2worlds.wordpress.com/2009/01/06/vatican-news-service-cr...
>
> > IMO the Vatican (Catholic Church) is an enemy of this nation, and has
> > allied itself with the hostile nation of Mexico to do us great harm.
>
> Vatican is joined by the National Council of Churches, Binai Brith; a
> streak
> of degeneracy reeks from major religious organizations re:
> immigration.
>
> mitch
>
> http://www.wvwnews.net/ Western Voices World News

WALLS don't do shit. History shows that. Name a wall that did
shit?
What I really like what the Vatican said...today
"GAZA IS ONE BIG CONCENTRATION CAMP"....Israel is pissed as hell...Ha
Ha Ha Ha Ha.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 8 2009 6:19 am
From: "Just a citizen . . ."

Just curious - were the latest proclimations from the Vatican issued from
behind the walls of the Vatican City enclave, whilst sitting on a throne,
surrounded by servants and a private army and all of the artwork and jewels
and gold and other priceless things that somehow enrich the lives of all the
rest of the world - especially those so destitute that they don't even have
hope?

It's easy to tell people how it should be - far easier than actually doing
something about it, or putting your money where your mouth is.

Instead of sending the illegals back to Mexico, maybe we should send them to
Vatican City.

"Globalist" <free.tuneup@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7806a2fe-5300-4bb3-90bf-9961a1447e7d@d36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 8, 3:33 am, hp...@lycos.com wrote:
>> On Jan 7, 9:07 pm, "f. barnes" <fre...@centurytel.net> wrote:
>>
>> >http://feetin2worlds.wordpress.com/2009/01/06/vatican-news-service-cr...
>>
>> > IMO the Vatican (Catholic Church) is an enemy of this nation, and has
>> > allied itself with the hostile nation of Mexico to do us great harm.
>>
>> Vatican is joined by the National Council of Churches, Binai Brith; a
>> streak
>> of degeneracy reeks from major religious organizations re:
>> immigration.
>>
>> mitch
>>
>> http://www.wvwnews.net/ Western Voices World News
>
> WALLS don't do shit. History shows that. Name a wall that did
> shit?
> What I really like what the Vatican said...today
> "GAZA IS ONE BIG CONCENTRATION CAMP"....Israel is pissed as hell...Ha
> Ha Ha Ha Ha.

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TOPIC: Stamps
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 8 2009 4:00 am
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <rhf9l.15307$Ou7.8666@newsfe24.iad>,
The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

> I've been googling for over an hour for the USA Postal Regulations. What I'm
> trying to find out -- in chapter and verse -- is the legality of cutting
> unused
> stamps off envelopes and gluing them onto new envelopes. The intent, of
> course,
> is to use the stamps on the return envelopes that the stupid charities insist
> on
> enclosing in their begging letters. I went through this once before with our
> postmaster, who determined that this was indeed legal and that the asshole in
> the branch office owed me an apology, which I actually got.
>
> The problem has arisen again, and I am absolutely dumbfounded that I can't
> find
> the basic rules that a government agency must follow in its operations. I
> find
> a lot of possibly useful consumer information, but NOTHING about the matter
> in hand.
>
> I corresponded with the USPS 'help' facility, which was surprisingly speedy,
> but
> ultimately hit a dead end when the best the person could come up with was
> that
> I should steam off the old stamps and glue them on the new envelope and that
> I
> couldn't tape them on (which has been true for a long time). (S)he could
> cite
> no actual reference, so I figure his/her opinion is worth no more than mine.
>
> WTF? I can see why people go postal.

As long as the stamps aren't postmarked, what's the problem? I have done
it before. Don't peal off the stamps though. Use a scissor and cut
around the stamp leaving a border of about a quarter inch on each side.
Then tape the stamps to your envelop, but don't cover the actual stamp
in tape, just the border. Why? The postal service won't mail your letter
if the stamp, itself is covered with tape; I think it impedes their
machinery from reading the stamp.

If you have any questions about this, just call your local post office
and ask.

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 8 2009 5:20 am
From: "Lou"

It's illegal to re-use postage stamps - see
http://law.onecle.com/uscode/18/1720.html. But unused stamps? I doubt it.

My guess is you're what you're looking for is a matter of law, not postal
service regulation, if it's even addressed at all.

"The Real Bev" <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:rhf9l.15307$Ou7.8666@newsfe24.iad...
> I've been googling for over an hour for the USA Postal Regulations. What
> I'm trying to find out -- in chapter and verse -- is the legality of
> cutting unused stamps off envelopes and gluing them onto new envelopes.
> The intent, of course, is to use the stamps on the return envelopes that
> the stupid charities insist on enclosing in their begging letters. I went
> through this once before with our postmaster, who determined that this was
> indeed legal and that the asshole in the branch office owed me an apology,
> which I actually got.
>
> The problem has arisen again, and I am absolutely dumbfounded that I can't
> find the basic rules that a government agency must follow in its
> operations. I find a lot of possibly useful consumer information, but
> NOTHING about the matter in hand.
>
> I corresponded with the USPS 'help' facility, which was surprisingly
> speedy, but ultimately hit a dead end when the best the person could come
> up with was that I should steam off the old stamps and glue them on the
> new envelope and that I couldn't tape them on (which has been true for a
> long time). (S)he could cite no actual reference, so I figure his/her
> opinion is worth no more than mine.
>
> WTF? I can see why people go postal.
>
> Anybody have any ideas? References? This ought to be basic information
> available to everyone, but NOOOOOOO!
>
> --
> Cheers, Bev
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> I've enjoyed just about as much of this as I can stand.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 8 2009 8:13 am
From: MSfortune@mcpmail.com

On Jan 7, 11:28 pm, The Real Bev <bashley...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've been googling for over an hour for the USA Postal Regulations. What I'm
> trying to find out -- in chapter and verse -- is the legality of cutting unused
> stamps off envelopes and gluing them onto new envelopes. The intent, of course,
> is to use the stamps on the return envelopes that the stupid charities insist on
> enclosing in their begging letters. I went through this once before with our
> postmaster, who determined that this was indeed legal and that the asshole in
> the branch office owed me an apology, which I actually got.
>
> The problem has arisen again, and I am absolutely dumbfounded that I can't find
> the basic rules that a government agency must follow in its operations. I find
> a lot of possibly useful consumer information, but NOTHING about the matter in hand.
>
> I corresponded with the USPS 'help' facility, which was surprisingly speedy, but
> ultimately hit a dead end when the best the person could come up with was that
> I should steam off the old stamps and glue them on the new envelope and that I
> couldn't tape them on (which has been true for a long time). (S)he could cite
> no actual reference, so I figure his/her opinion is worth no more than mine.
>
> WTF? I can see why people go postal.
>
> Anybody have any ideas? References? This ought to be basic information
> available to everyone, but NOOOOOOO!
>
> --
> Cheers, Bev
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> I've enjoyed just about as much of this as I can stand.

If it's truly an uncanceled stamp, you can cut it off and reglue it to
another envelope every day of the year. I have done it many times.
It's an unused stamp and you have this right. However, be careful
about cutting and gluing stamps that you are unsure of or just don't
look like they have been used because they can have a mark on them
that you don't see. In the old days you would see those wavy lines
across the stamp proving that it was used. It's different today. And
if it's a printed stamp on an envelope with the bar code on the
bottom, I think you may be violating the law in cutting and pasting
pieces.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 8 2009 9:13 am
From: James

Why not just put a address label over the address? That way you are
recycling the envelope at the same time.

BTW which charities use postage stamps? I just toss junk mail but it
may be worth it to open for 42 cents specially if they're forever
stamps.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 8 2009 9:17 am
From: "www.Queensbridge.us"

I cover the original intended address with a very big blank label,
and write the new address on that.

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== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 8 2009 10:04 am
From: Dave Garland

The Real Bev wrote:

> I'll have to get the Big Postmaster's approval for that -- the local
> jerk says you can't do that either.

Ask for Form 3533 "Application for Refund of Fees, Products and
Withdrawal of Customer Accounts". Or download the form from
http://www.usps.com/forms/_pdf/ps3533.pdf

Though personally, I just stick a label on the envelope over the one
that's printed on it, and use it to mail something. That not only
returns the value of the postage, but of the envelope too.

Dave

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TOPIC: Theory: The gov't nor the gangs want the drug war to end because it
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 8 2009 4:04 am
From: Shawn Hirn

In article
<23a6f994-cfb2-4386-a49a-0a89d3b460ec@b38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
ultimauw@live.com wrote:

> I say it's a very solid theory. Look what happened when they tried to
> ban liquor

On the face of it, yes. In reality, I doubt it. Why? Because legalizing
recreational drugs would bring far more dollars into the pockets of
private individuals then can ever occur with them illegal.

Drugs such as marijuana will be legal only when the American people want
them legalized. Just look at prohibition. The American people got tired
of it real fast. Eventually, the same will be true, at least for
marijuana.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 8 2009 4:37 am
From: clams_casino

phil scott wrote:

> It seems though that in 1901 govt
>costs and taxes were under 1% of national production...now its 48%...
>
>
>

Care to provide a reference? From what I've read, it's closer to 33%.

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TOPIC: Eating fingernails and toenails!!!
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 8 2009 4:39 am
From: "Daniel T."

asiandollno1@gmail.com wrote:

> When you bite your nails, you are interfering with their ability to
> protect your sensitive fingers. What's more, you are inviting
> infection. Your nails can become infected because the surface is
> broken or removed.

Clipping your nails does the same thing. Are you saying we shouldn't
trim our nails at all?

> You can also be eating all kinds of nasty things
> that may be under your nails from things you have touched during the
> day. If you touch your dog, your car or your school books and then
> bite your nails, you are ingesting the same kinds of things you would
> if you licked these objects. Pretty disgusting, huh?

Which is precisely why people who bite their nails tend to have better
immune systems. (Of course if you have a depressed immune system because
of some other ailment, things change.) I wish I could find my cite for
this, but in the mean time: "...the modern obsession with cleanliness
may be counterproductive"
--http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=416594

> In addition, bitten-down nails are not very attractive.

Depends on how you do it.

--
Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
-- Antoine de Saint-Exupery

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 8 2009 9:24 am
From: Dave Garland

asiandollno1@gmail.com wrote:
> When you bite your nails, you are interfering with their ability to
> protect your sensitive fingers.

We're not talking about biting them back to your knuckles. (Actually,
since the thread was started by a troll, we're not talking seriously
about anything.)

But if you let them get too long, they're apt to catch on something
and tear. And that will probably extend back to the part of the nail
where it hurts. I've got one of those right now, dunno how I did it,
probably working on a car. Only thing to do is to try to nurse it
along for a few days, and wait for it to grow out more. True, there
are better ways to cut them, but most of the time when you notice the
nail is getting long, you don't happen to have a nail clipper with
you. Unless you have dentures, you've always got your teeth with you.

> In addition,
> bitten-down nails are not very attractive.

That's true. But if my nails were "very attractive" they wouldn't go
well with the rest of my hands.

Dave

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 8 2009 5:40 am
From: s2000hondas2000@gmail.com

On Jan 7, 7:21 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> s2000hondas2...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Jan 7, 2:15 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> s2000hondas2...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Jan 7, 1:03 am, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> s2000hondas2...@gmail.com wrote
>
> >>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
> >>>>>> Only fools/dinosaurs use checks anymore.
> >>>>> DOT only takes checks, no cash, no cc.
>
> >>>> Only fools/dinosaurs let them get away with that.
>
> >>>> You elected those who 'run' operations like that, fuckwit.
> >>> And? It's not costing me anything.
>
> >> You have always been, and always will be, completely irrelevant,
> >> fuckwit.
> > And yet you keep replying to my posts,.
>
> To keep rubbing your stupid nose in that basic, fuckwit.- Hide quoted text -

Sure you are. I have free checking and last year earned $150 in Target
gifts cards, cost to me, zero. Yes, rub my nose in that, imbecile.

With the amount of posting you do, it's obvious the only thing you're
rubbing is your tiny penis.

Keep flailing, wanker.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 8 2009 5:46 am
From: s2000hondas2000@gmail.com

On Jan 7, 8:30 pm, "Tomes" <ask...@here.net> wrote:
> <s2000hondas2...@gmail.com>...
> "Tomes":
>
> > <s2000hondas2...@gmail.com> ...
> > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx:
> > > Only fools/dinosaurs use checks anymore.
>
> > DOT only takes checks, no cash, no cc. Stick to things you know, like
> > welfare.
> > ========================
> > New Jersey MVC [the NJ version of the DOT] takes credit cards.
> > Tomes
>
> That's great for people in New Jersey except that New Jersey is also a
> shithole.
> ================
> Completely irresponsible statement. All one needs to do is drive to
> northwest or central west NJ to refute this.
> Sheesh.
> Tomes

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== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 8 2009 5:48 am
From: s2000hondas2000@gmail.com

On Jan 7, 9:17 pm, clams_casino <PeterGrif...@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
> s2000hondas2...@gmail.com wrote:
> >On Jan 6, 9:16 pm, "Tomes" <ask...@here.net> wrote:
>
> >><s2000hondas2...@gmail.com> ...
> >>xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx:
>
> >>>Only fools/dinosaurs use checks anymore.
>
> >>DOT only takes checks, no cash, no cc. Stick to things you know, like
> >>welfare.
> >>========================
> >>New Jersey MVC [the NJ version of the DOT] takes credit cards.
> >>Tomes
>
> >That's great for people in New Jersey except that New Jersey is also a
> >shithole.
>
> I can think of many worse places - AR, MS, AL & KY to name a few.
> Generally speaking, most any red state would be worse..- Hide quoted text -

I'll take Kentucky over NJ any day, Lexington to be exact.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 8 2009 5:57 am
From: clams_casino

s2000hondas2000@gmail.com wrote:

>On Jan 7, 9:17 pm, clams_casino <PeterGrif...@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>
>
>>s2000hondas2...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Jan 6, 9:16 pm, "Tomes" <ask...@here.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>><s2000hondas2...@gmail.com> ...
>>>>xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Only fools/dinosaurs use checks anymore.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>DOT only takes checks, no cash, no cc. Stick to things you know, like
>>>>welfare.
>>>>========================
>>>>New Jersey MVC [the NJ version of the DOT] takes credit cards.
>>>>Tomes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>That's great for people in New Jersey except that New Jersey is also a
>>>shithole.
>>>
>>>
>>I can think of many worse places - AR, MS, AL & KY to name a few.
>>Generally speaking, most any red state would be worse..- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>
>
>I'll take Kentucky over NJ any day, Lexington to be exact.
>
>

OK - there might be a few places, but statewide......

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TOPIC: "Homelessness only happens to other people"
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/b10dcae36d1aacb2?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 8 2009 7:11 am
From: ultimauw@gmail.com

Walter Bushell wrote:
> In article
> <e21e48d5-19bb-4441-9faa-dd246dad1...@a26g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> ultim...@gmail.com wrote:

> > Sure your boss likes you?

> That will not matter when word comes down from above.

> Sinclair Lewis in _The Jungle_ described what happens when even the best
> company falls up hard times and has to reduce employees. Among other
> things getting the heave ho from a company you have invested yourself in

> is demoralizing to say the least.

Exactly! And something like this can push anybody over the edge into
drugs and alcohol. The orthodox capitalist homeless bashers here don't
seem to realise is it can also happen to them; they live in a fantasy
world where this stuff only happens to "other people", and that they
are somehow immune from the economy. Even the self employed here don't
seem to realise that their businesses can fold as well for whatever
reason and they too will be seeking work. A job search is stressful
and demoralizing enough, without the rotten economy we are in now.

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TOPIC: Onesuite Question
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/136859395009c10f?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 8 2009 8:03 am
From: "www.Queensbridge.us"

On Jan 7, 11:09 am, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
> NancyR wrote:
> > I've used Onesuite for years with few problems. I had it set up where I
> > did not have to enter my pin number each time I made a call. About a week
> > ago this feature stopped working. I checked my account at their web site
> > and it was still set up. I sent an email to Onesuite with no response. So
> > I deleted the setup and then re-entered it, but that did not fix the
> > problem.
>
> > Has anyone had this problem lately?
>
> One thing I noticed with OneSuite is that originally I didn't need to
> disable caller-ID blocking to use PINless calling. Then for a long while
> I had to disable caller-ID blocking prior to calling the local access
> number (*82), and if I didn't it would ask for a PIN. Recently, when I
> forgot to disable the caller-ID blocking, I was surprised that it didn't
> ask for a PIN, and this still is the case. I don't know how they figure
> out the number you're calling from when Caller-ID blocking is enabled.

They may be using ANI instead of CID.

As a telephone company they can probably get that info.

Recently I noticed that they are passing my caller ID [or ANI] to the
call recipient.

Formerly they had been delivering the ID of I think their ourbound
port

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 8 2009 8:31 am
From: SMS

www.Queensbridge.us wrote:

> Recently I noticed that they are passing my caller ID [or ANI] to the
> call recipient.

I thought that ANI was only available on incoming toll-free numbers. I
guess there's an exception for some customers.

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TOPIC: Vista Print, vistaprint.com
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/5d189db1bedb8cd0?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 8 2009 8:10 am
From: "www.Queensbridge.us"

In trying to be frugal, you may have thought of getting business cards
from
VistaPrint

Be advised of a possible
VistaPrint Class Action.
"Have you been the victim of an un-authorized credit card transaction?
See www.VistaPrintClassAction.com "

Altho our household has never ordered from VistaPrint,
we have been victimized by their spamming.

We send copies of the VisatPrint spam to:
domainadmin@vistaprint.com
ir@vistaprint.com [Investor Relations]
publicrelations@vistaprint.com
spam@uce.gov
but the VistaPrint spam comes in at least ten times a week

Anyone else we should send copies of the spam to,
to get this to stop?

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