Frugal Living: misc.consumers.frugal-living - 25 new messages in 12 topics

Monday, January 26, 2009

misc.consumers.frugal-living - 25 new messages in 12 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: Contraceptives - bad for the economy! (Sarcasm)
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 25 2009 10:57 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Don Klipstein wrote
> lenona321@yahoo.com wrote:

>> 18 mainly negative comments so far - and plenty more elsewhere, I hope.
>> Shall we write to our newspapers and make it clear we mean business?

>> Yes, I've heard the argument that we can't afford to have any
>> country's birth rate drop below a certain level -

> It appears to me that stock prices tend to be assuming
> profit trends that assume some population growth rate.

Nope, have a look at the Nikkei sometime.

> "Recent Fashion" (as of late 1990's or around 2000) appeared to me
> then that stock prices and stock price growth was supportable with P/E
> ratio of 20-plus, despite historical average since the 1920's coser to 15.

It had swong that high before tho.

> Meanwhile, it appears to me that annual growth of USA population is close to 1%.

The CIA claims 0.883

> That appears to me to be part of annual growth rate
> of USA's GDP and of "earnings" by publicly-traded
> corporations on USA stock exchanges, especially NYSE.

GDP doesnt include earnings.

> And with the past takeover trend, I expect the "S&P 500"
> to continue to represent about 63-66% of "market value"
> of USA's public-traded corporations.

> Going on 5% reciprocal of P/E with 1% annual population growth, I would
> like to assume that changing population growth to zero by 1% downward
> causes annual; total return to be the same if P/E increases to 6.67%.

Mindlessly silly, there is no correlation. Have a look at the
Nikkei to see what a negative population growth produces.

> Since historical "annual average total return" in "broad market" USA
> stock investing even by rules of modern "index funds" if applied from
> the 1929 high to the 1999-2000 high or from the 1932 low to the 1982
> low averages at least 6% past inflation, I expect sudden achievement of
> "zero population growth" to set back stock investments by a mere roughly
> 5 years compared to inflation, about 3.3 years non-inflation-adjusted.

Have fun explaining what Japan has seen.

> Decreasing world population growth to close to zero is definitely
> good to do. Sadly, those finding need to bear and raise more
> children tend to be more religiously conservative and maybe
> "trying to outpopulate their enemies"...

Doesnt explain why the west had high population growth numbers at one time.

> (My words and commentary, and I "do not and will not pass the buck"
> in terms of responsibility or irrisponsibility for saying what I said!)

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TOPIC: Ebay alternative?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 26 2009 2:08 am
From: "h"

<hallerb@aol.com> wrote in message news:383b9834-44af-4799-be50->
> i have just about had it with e bay.
>
> having sold in the paST SELLERS SHOULD BE ABLE TO LEAVE NEGATIVE
> FEEDBACK FOR BUYERS

Oh yeah. I had a non-paying bidder (claim he never bid, refused to pay,
threatened me) leave negative feedback for me when he was the one who
refused to complete the transaction. The frosting on my cookies was my
inability to leave him a negative while he ruined my 100% positive after 9
years on eBay. I was eventually able to get eBay to remove the feedback (the
guy was suspended for too many unpaid item strikes in his first 30 days with
eBay) but it was a royal pain. Sellers used to be able to leave negative
feedback, although this was the first time I ever wanted to do it.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 26 2009 5:09 am
From: clams_casino

h wrote:

><hallerb@aol.com> wrote in message news:383b9834-44af-4799-be50->
>
>
>>i have just about had it with e bay.
>>
>>having sold in the paST SELLERS SHOULD BE ABLE TO LEAVE NEGATIVE
>>FEEDBACK FOR BUYERS
>>
>>
>
>Oh yeah. I had a non-paying bidder (claim he never bid, refused to pay,
>threatened me) leave negative feedback for me when he was the one who
>refused to complete the transaction. The frosting on my cookies was my
>inability to leave him a negative while he ruined my 100% positive after 9
>years on eBay. I was eventually able to get eBay to remove the feedback (the
>guy was suspended for too many unpaid item strikes in his first 30 days with
>eBay) but it was a royal pain. Sellers used to be able to leave negative
>feedback, although this was the first time I ever wanted to do it.
>
>
>
>
So which do you prefer - leaving a negative or having the negative removed?

My only negative in ten years of selling was also by a non paying
bidding, but in years past, eBay would do nothing about it.

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TOPIC: What to do when laptop keys stop working?
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 26 2009 4:07 am
From: meow2222@care2.com

OhioGuy wrote:
> We have a Dell laptop that has several of the keys slowly becoming
> harder and harder to get them to register anything. It is really
> becoming a distraction. Eventually, I feel the keys will stop working
> entirely.
>
> I was wondering if anyone ese had ever dealt with this sort of issue,
> and what options there are to fix the problem? For instance, does
> anyone sell replacement keyboards for them?
>
> I'm hoping that this isn't some sort of issue where I have to decide
> between spending $250 to repair the laptop or buying a new one.
>
> Thanks!

Laptop keyboards are replaceable. Its also an option to plug a desktop
style external keyboard in.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 26 2009 5:41 am
From: "Lou"

"The Real Bev" <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:T8cfl.22708$B01.20354@newsfe13.iad...
>
> Those flexible roll-up keyboards are intriguing and seem like they'd be
> really
> easy to stuff into the notebook bag. Anybody used one? I've only seen
> pictures.
>

Those projected ones look even cooler - and I've never seen one of them
either, just pictures. Would also like to know if anyone's every used one.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 26 2009 12:19 pm
From: The Real Bev

Lou wrote:

> "The Real Bev" <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Those flexible roll-up keyboards are intriguing and seem like they'd be
>> really easy to stuff into the notebook bag. Anybody used one? I've only
>> seen pictures.
>
> Those projected ones look even cooler - and I've never seen one of them
> either, just pictures. Would also like to know if anyone's every used one.

I'd guess that touch typists wouldn't find them too valuable. I've seen a demo
at the local Best Buy but I haven't been tempted to try it. Probably should. I
looked all over for a flexible keyboard, but couldn't find one.

--
Cheers, Bev
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Paranoid schizophrenics outnumber their enemies at least two to one.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 26 2009 5:03 pm
From: Marsha

One thing you should never do, as a preventative measure, is eat while
you're using the keyboard. Crumbs always mysteriously end up underneath
the keys.

Marsha/Ohio

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TOPIC: WSJ: Yes, You Can Live With Less Plastic
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 26 2009 5:41 am
From: Evelyn Leeper

Too_Many_Tools wrote:
> On Jan 25, 7:34 am, mugglefug...@googlemail.com wrote:
>
> Actually this brings up the obvious question...what do you really
> *NEED* a credit or debit card for?
>
> Note there is a big difference between *NEED* and *WANT*.
>
> Your thoughts?

If you travel, it is protection if your car breaks down and you need a
major repair. (Most repair shops will not take checks, at least from
people they don't know.)

It is almost impossible to rent a car without one.

Given that one can buy lots of things more frugally on-line, having a
credit card (but paying off the bill in full each month) is definitely
more frugal than not having a credit card. (Not to mention if you have
a card with a rebate.)

--
Evelyn C. Leeper
I know you can't live on hope alone but without hope
life is not worth living. -Harvey Milk

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 26 2009 3:16 pm
From: Derald

Although, keeping a credit card up one's sleeve in the event of
unexpected expense may be prudent, the singular, invaluable, advantage
to debit card vs credit card is precisely the discipline imposed by not
being able to spend money that one does not actually have, forcing one
to reassess his/her "needs".
>
> Plus, there's the $750 I get back every year from the credit
>card company for using the card, which I would lose if I paid cash or used a
>debit card.
It ain't necessarily so: Many institutions (banks) offer exactly
the same sucker-bait "rewards" for signature (non-PIN) transactions on
their "major label" debit card as they do credit cards. More reason to
shop around.
For example, if I use the "Visa"-branded debit card issued by
Compass bank as a "signature" (not PIN) card, then I get the same
rebate, FF miles, whatever, as I would with a credit card. Same with the
"Visa"-branded debit card that is linked to my brokerage account. I know
that because I am enrolled in the programs.
"Major label" debit cards have no fewer "protections" than "major
label" credit cards. I know that because I have had the experience to
challenge (several) transactions via the issuing bank. In each case, the
amount in question was credited to my checking account by close of
business (well, posting time) of same day and before the issue was
resolved. Compass bank (in Florida, at least) even offers to "get your
money back" on the strength of a telephoned verbal declaration -- no
paperwork required. It is important for (honest) consumers to know that
the merchant always, always, always is assumed to be "in the wrong" and
takes the financial hit until the issue is resolved; many merchants will
simply issue an automatic refund to avoid the bs. I know _that_ because
I do credit/debit card business and I will automatically issue a refund
unless the dollar amount is more than I'm willing to cede to a thief.
Regardless of what the untrained Walmart (for example) minions may
assert, it is as easy to reverse a "major label" debit card transaction
as it is a credit card transaction and it does NOT take "three days",
"three weeks", or whatever other bullshit they may say for the money to
reappear in one's account: Excepting weekends, it takes exactly until
posting time (usually midnite) of the day the refund is issued. I always
seems strange to me that the untrained dilberts at WallyWorld and Home
Desperate don't know how to issue debit card refunds, claiming the
process to be impossible, while the at least minimally-trained dilberts
at Walgreen's, Publix or the local nurseryman have no problem at all
doing so.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 26 2009 4:32 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Derald wrote:

> Although, keeping a credit card up one's sleeve in the event of
> unexpected expense may be prudent, the singular, invaluable,
> advantage to debit card vs credit card is precisely the discipline
> imposed by not being able to spend money that one does not
> actually have, forcing one to reassess his/her "needs".

Plenty of us arent stupid enough to need that.

>> Plus, there's the $750 I get back every year from
>> the credit card company for using the card, which
>> I would lose if I paid cash or used a debit card.

> It ain't necessarily so: Many institutions (banks) offer exactly
> the same sucker-bait "rewards" for signature (non-PIN) transactions on
> their "major label" debit card as they do credit cards. More reason to
> shop around.
> For example, if I use the "Visa"-branded debit card issued by
> Compass bank as a "signature" (not PIN) card, then I get the same
> rebate, FF miles, whatever, as I would with a credit card. Same with
> the "Visa"-branded debit card that is linked to my brokerage account.
> I know that because I am enrolled in the programs.
> "Major label" debit cards have no fewer "protections" than "major
> label" credit cards. I know that because I have had the experience to
> challenge (several) transactions via the issuing bank. In each case,
> the amount in question was credited to my checking account by close of
> business (well, posting time) of same day and before the issue was
> resolved. Compass bank (in Florida, at least) even offers to "get your
> money back" on the strength of a telephoned verbal declaration -- no
> paperwork required. It is important for (honest) consumers to know
> that the merchant always, always, always is assumed to be "in the
> wrong" and takes the financial hit until the issue is resolved; many
> merchants will simply issue an automatic refund to avoid the bs. I
> know _that_ because I do credit/debit card business and I will
> automatically issue a refund unless the dollar amount is more than
> I'm willing to cede to a thief. Regardless of what the untrained
> Walmart (for example) minions may assert, it is as easy to reverse a
> "major label" debit card transaction as it is a credit card
> transaction and it does NOT take "three days", "three weeks", or
> whatever other bullshit they may say for the money to reappear in
> one's account: Excepting weekends, it takes exactly until posting
> time (usually midnite) of the day the refund is issued. I always
> seems strange to me that the untrained dilberts at WallyWorld and
> Home Desperate don't know how to issue debit card refunds, claiming
> the process to be impossible, while the at least minimally-trained
> dilberts at Walgreen's, Publix or the local nurseryman have no
> problem at all doing so.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 26 2009 4:40 pm
From: "SpammersDie"

"Derald" <derald@invalid.net> wrote in message
news:UZidnfVFT8Ow2ePUnZ2dnUVZ_juWnZ2d@earthlink.com...
> Although, keeping a credit card up one's sleeve in the event of
> unexpected expense may be prudent, the singular, invaluable, advantage
> to debit card vs credit card is precisely the discipline imposed by not
> being able to spend money that one does not actually have, forcing one
> to reassess his/her "needs".

Provided you're sure the debit card won't let you "spend money you don't
have."

Banks are well on to this sort of thinking and routinely offer "courtesy
overdrafts." Overcharge your account and you won't get declined. The bank
will quietly issue you a high interest overdraft loan.

Using a debit card does not give you "discipline" at all. It's a crutch to
over the lack of discipline, and this crutch is defective by design.

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TOPIC: Can you recommend a DVR for over the air recording?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 26 2009 9:58 am
From: me@privacy.net

"hallerb@aol.com" <hallerb@aol.com> wrote:

>http://www.dtvpal.com/
>
>
>Simple to setup and easy to use
>Amazing picture and sound quality

Can you use the above for off air TV ONLY?

I only have TV antenna.... nothing else

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 26 2009 10:51 am
From: Brian Elfert

me@privacy.net writes:

>"hallerb@aol.com" <hallerb@aol.com> wrote:

>>http://www.dtvpal.com/
>>
>>
>>Simple to setup and easy to use
>>Amazing picture and sound quality

>Can you use the above for off air TV ONLY?

Yes, it can be used with an antenna. In fact, I don't think it can be
used for cable TV unless I missed something.

I would seriously consider this if it did analog cable TV.

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TOPIC: Saving Money on Calendars
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 26 2009 10:24 am
From: lenona321@yahoo.com

On Dec 12 2008, 4:44 pm, lenona...@yahoo.com wrote:

> Or to keep it really simple, check only what day March 1st is. Then on
> leap years, use two calendars- one for Jan-Feb and one for March-Dec.
>
> I keep a list of which years are identical in that respect so I
> can pick out the right calendar faster from my collection. In theory,
> one only needs 14 calendars so as to cover all possible combinations.
> But since I want to hang more than one calendar in the house, I'd just
> as soon do it differently. Besides, the earliest you're going to see
> the same March pattern repeated is five years, anyway - and usually,
> it's longer.
>
> And, of course, don't use the more attractivecalendarsfor scribbling
> appointments on! (I use scrap-papercalendarsfor that - and reuse the
> nicer ones.)

I wanted to add that one very good reason not to collect leap-year
calendars - unless they're free AND designed to your liking, whether
with exotic flowers or motorcycles - is that, when you do the math,
you'll find that you only get to reuse a leap-year calendar in its
entirety once every 28 years!

Right now I have only one calendar hung in the house - from 1987. I
like to have two decorative calendars hanging, but the only other one
I have that "works" is my Gustav Klimt 1992 calendar, which I can't
start using until March. So that's annoying.

Lenona.

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Date: Mon, Jan 26 2009 10:57 am
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TOPIC: Anything wrong with canned tomatoes?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 26 2009 11:26 am
From: The Real Bev

Macuser wrote:

> Canned tomatoes are no good in salad, but they're wonderful for cooking. I
> use them in every style for about half the things I cook. My favorite brand
> is Cento, which has the thickest consistency.

Don't you have any friends who are interested in this stuff?

--
Cheers,
Bev
-------------------------------------------------------------
"We've got some stupid people out there. This morning, I woke
up in a bathtub filled with ice and I had an extra kidney."

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 26 2009 11:57 am
From: Evelyn Leeper

Macuser wrote:
> Canned tomatoes are no good in salad, but they're wonderful for cooking.
> I use them in every style for about half the things I cook. My favorite
> brand is Cento, which has the thickest consistency.

Avoid Luigi Vitelli products. (My note doesn't say why, but I think it
was that they were too watery.)

--
Evelyn C. Leeper
I know you can't live on hope alone but without hope
life is not worth living. -Harvey Milk

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TOPIC: Boost Mobile: May have to try it
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 26 2009 11:47 am
From: me@privacy.net

http://clarkhoward.com/liveweb/shownotes/2009/01/15/14921

what you think?

I'm looking for new cell carrier in
63401 area

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 26 2009 4:06 pm
From: Gordon

me@privacy.net wrote in news:oq4sn4ttk8ta30n4i0hng0g5vklac3rl8e@4ax.com:

> http://clarkhoward.com/liveweb/shownotes/2009/01/15/14921

Intresting.
Now, does that run on the old Nextel system, or the Sprint CDMA
system? If the latter, I may convert my Sprint phone over to
Boost and save a few bucks a month.
Note that these plans are good for talkaholics. If you don't
use the phone too much, there are better pay by the minute
plans that can save you even more.

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TOPIC: Source (online?) for whole wheat flour
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Date: Mon, Jan 26 2009 2:04 pm
From: dmusicant@pacbell.net

I was reading reviews of bread machines at Amazon.com and someone said
they bought 25 lb. bags of organic whole wheat flour for ~ $0.50/lb.
net. The post was in 2006. I don't recall the name of the company, but
going to their website I see that the cheapest organic whole wheat flour
there now is ~$0.80/lb for 25 lb. and that's before shipping.

I live in Berkeley CA and am looking for an economical source of whole
wheat flour. I've been getting mine at the Berkeley Bowl, but the
cheapest they have is $1.39/lb. What are some good sources?

Dan

PS I've been getting bread flour at Costco in 50 lb. bags, but I don't
believe they sell whole wheat, at least economically.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 26 2009 3:05 pm
From: Melba's Jammin'

In article <a5csn4lbnigrjs243s0gmu637d311fa20f@4ax.com>,
dmusicant@pacbell.net wrote:

> I was reading reviews of bread machines at Amazon.com and someone said
> they bought 25 lb. bags of organic whole wheat flour for ~ $0.50/lb.
> net. The post was in 2006. I don't recall the name of the company, but
> going to their website I see that the cheapest organic whole wheat flour
> there now is ~$0.80/lb for 25 lb. and that's before shipping.
>
> I live in Berkeley CA and am looking for an economical source of whole
> wheat flour. I've been getting mine at the Berkeley Bowl, but the
> cheapest they have is $1.39/lb. What are some good sources?
>
> Dan
>
> PS I've been getting bread flour at Costco in 50 lb. bags, but I don't
> believe they sell whole wheat, at least economically.

Is there a food co-op where you could check? Mine gives a discount for
a case purchase (maybe a 'case' of whole wheat flour is a 50# bag or
something like that -- just an example). Prices have gone *way* up in
the last 6-9 months or so.

Any farm towns nearby (all things are relative)? Try to find a feed
mill and see what they've got to offer.

--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
http://web.me.com/barbschaller
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-- a woman my age shouldn't
have this much fun!

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 26 2009 4:19 pm
From: James

I have. After the buck ran into my new compact car and did over $1700
damage, you bet your deer he ended up in my freezer.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 26 2009 4:35 pm
From: "Cheryl"

"James" <j0069bond@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:365ce340-9bc1-4c93-8674-ccb59ce6fb08@g39g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>I have. After the buck ran into my new compact car and did over $1700
> damage, you bet your deer he ended up in my freezer.

Never. What flavor motor oil was predominant?

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TOPIC: Computer crash
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 26 2009 4:53 pm
From: Marsha

Dave wrote:
> I hope it's still under warranty.

Nope. One year in-home service. I never get an extended warranty on
anything.

>>> What operating system is it running?
>> Windows Vista Home Premium
>
> Good!

I like it so far, but Windows 2000 is my favorite.

> OK, there are a couple of possibilities. Normally, I'd say it's not a big
> deal. But as it's a Dell we are talking about, it could get a little hairy.
> Like I said before, I hope it's still under warranty. Since you never got
> past POST, you can rule out your hard drive and everything ON the hard
> drive, as a possible suspect. That doesn't leave much. Bad RAM possibly,
> but you've already checked that. I don't know how thoroughly the RAM was
> tested, but I think it's safe to rule that out, for the moment. Only
> components left are:
> 1) Video card (integrated into motherboard on the Dell 530)
> 2) Power supply (likely a proprietary, non-standard beast, considering
> it's a dell system)
> 3) CPU (odds of that failing are about 1 in a million, unless the CPU fan
> failed...but the system would warn you and/or shut itself down, hopefully,
> if that happened)
> So in terms of possible suspects, I'd say 95% power supply, 4% motherboard,
> and 1% CPU.

I'm leaning heavily towards overheat. I noticed that one side of the
tower was flush against the desk, blocking the vents on that side. And,
when it finally did boot up, I had left it set for a good half hour.

> But keep your eye on this system. If it fails intermittently, watch for a
> pattern. What you are looking at is how far into the boot process does it
> get before it fails. If the failure point is almost always before windows
> starts (or while windows is starting), that points to a bad power supply.
> If the failure point is even earlier, like before you get the POST screens
> (showing hard drive information, RAM testing, etc), then that could be a bad
> power supply, a bad motherboard, or a bad CPU.

Yeah, now I'm eyeing the damn thing suspiciously every time it gets
turned on.

> operating system, or your software, were in use. You DO, however, need to
> back up all your important data files to something outside this system,
> ASAP. You've got an unknown hardware problem that COULD (possibly) cause
> your hard drive to fail and/or files on the hard drive to get
> corrupted/deleted. Depending on how important your files are on that hard
> drive, you might want to do daily backups to DVDR/W media, or an external
> hard drive, or an enormous thumb drive, or all of them. Daily, until you
> are certain that the problem is fixed. Even after the problem is fixed,
> keep doing periodic backups. -Dave
>

It wouldn't be a disaster if I lost everything on the hard drive, but it
would be inconvenient to reconstruct what's on it. But, regular backups
are now on the schedule. Thanks a lot for the help.

Marsha/Ohio

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 26 2009 4:57 pm
From: Marsha

Gary Heston wrote:
> I routinely use the UBCD at work, where I have to do things like making
> a system boot two different versions of Linux in addition to Windows XP.
> I can manipulate partitions easily with it.

You're speaking Greek.

> Also good for sanitizing an old drive before it's discarded or reused.

Okay, I know what that is.

> If you haven't done a backup recently, now is the time to do one.
> Gary

Backups of the important stuff are now on the schedule. Thanks a lot
for your help.

Marsha/Ohio

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