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Today's topics:
* thrift finds - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/3197a4fb4f662174?hl=en
* Walmart eye exam cost? Zenni optical - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/3b8ff528246e13c8?hl=en
* Dell Studio Hybrid - best deal on a small desktop? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/cc6a2179345ac8ef?hl=en
* Doorbell, etc. - Saving $2.50 per month! - 5 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/f28ae8d29331218e?hl=en
* America is doomed without industrial restoration - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/3ac833194943bee0?hl=en
* The Problem With Whites ( Kevin MacDonald ) - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/1dffaa9574b66c0c?hl=en
* Modern coal stoves that are convenient and clean? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/56a6ba331e618666?hl=en
* Calling card to call from Orlando to Canada? buy in Florida? - 2 messages, 2
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/265f45ae05c37c9b?hl=en
* Money ? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/3e21db3094e8b040?hl=en
* need a small, inexpensive urban TV antenna - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/22d545ae9e8cb014?hl=en
* It's all falling apart, isn't it? - 4 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/aaee75672b67549f?hl=en
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TOPIC: thrift finds
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/3197a4fb4f662174?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 17 2009 8:34 am
From: invalid@invalid.com
On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 09:52:26 -0500, Derald <derald@invalid.net> wrote:
>The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>IBM Model M. Mine is from 1988 and it's a jewel.
> Indeed; now I'm green as Kermit. This gem gets special honors at
>clickykeyboard.com.
They still make them.
http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/keyboards.html
Weirdly enough, they seem to help some RSI.
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 17 2009 4:52 pm
From: Seerialmom
On Feb 11, 1:12 pm, OhioGuy <n...@none.net> wrote:
> Yesterday I found a copy of Panzer General II for 60 cents. Today I
> got a Sound Blaster Live sound card for $1, Nvidia Geforce 2 AGP video
> card for $2 and an IBM PS2 keyboard with the wonderful clickety clack
> sounding keys for $1.
>
> What have you found lately?
A Logitech wireless mouse for $3 and "Plus!" for XP for $5 (ok, could
have lived without Plus! but I wanted it).
Speaking of thrift stores, Goodwill had 50% off all used items (but
not the dollar store items they sell or the things they buy from some
3rd party and designated by pink stickers) on holidays. Yesterday I
went into the local Goodwill and you'd swear people had never seen
such "low prices" before. They were willing to stand in a 100+ person
line to get 1/2 price on used stuff??? We're talking a 1.5 hour wait
to get to the checkout? No way...nothing that good in there for me.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 17 2009 5:46 pm
From: The Real Bev
invalid@invalid.com wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 09:52:26 -0500, Derald <derald@invalid.net> wrote:
>
>>The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>IBM Model M. Mine is from 1988 and it's a jewel.
>>
>> Indeed; now I'm green as Kermit. This gem gets special honors at
>>clickykeyboard.com.
>
> They still make them.
>
> http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/keyboards.html
A bit much. A couple of bucks each at yard sales.
> Weirdly enough, they seem to help some RSI.
Um, OK.
--
Cheers, Bev
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Self Test for Paranoia: You know you have it when you can't
think of anything that's your own fault.
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 17 2009 5:50 pm
From: The Real Bev
Seerialmom wrote:
> On Feb 11, 1:12 pm, OhioGuy <n...@none.net> wrote:
>> Yesterday I found a copy of Panzer General II for 60 cents. Today I
>> got a Sound Blaster Live sound card for $1, Nvidia Geforce 2 AGP video
>> card for $2 and an IBM PS2 keyboard with the wonderful clickety clack
>> sounding keys for $1.
>>
>> What have you found lately?
>
> A Logitech wireless mouse for $3 and "Plus!" for XP for $5 (ok, could
> have lived without Plus! but I wanted it).
>
> Speaking of thrift stores, Goodwill had 50% off all used items (but
> not the dollar store items they sell or the things they buy from some
> 3rd party and designated by pink stickers) on holidays. Yesterday I
> went into the local Goodwill and you'd swear people had never seen
> such "low prices" before. They were willing to stand in a 100+ person
> line to get 1/2 price on used stuff??? We're talking a 1.5 hour wait
> to get to the checkout? No way...nothing that good in there for me.
Crazy people around here stand in line at estate sales in desirable
neighborhoods. Two come out, two more go in. As I say, crazy.
One of my better (useful) yard sale bargains so far is my skis+boots for $5
total. If you knew about my feet you'd know the boots are the bigger miracle!
--
Cheers, Bev
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--Gene Spafford (1992)
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TOPIC: Walmart eye exam cost? Zenni optical
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/3b8ff528246e13c8?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 17 2009 8:46 am
From: Dave Garland
clams_casino wrote:
> For a basic lens / frames, it'll be hard to be the china-imported
> components via Walmart.
Except by going somewhere like http://zennioptical.com, which in fact
is what the original poster said they wanted to do.
(I haven't used zenni myself, but I've got a friend who has with good
results.)
Dave
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 17 2009 5:29 pm
From: me@privacy.net
Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote:
>Except by going somewhere like http://zennioptical.com, which in fact
>is what the original poster said they wanted to do.
Yep that's what I want to do
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TOPIC: Dell Studio Hybrid - best deal on a small desktop?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/cc6a2179345ac8ef?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 17 2009 8:54 am
From: Brian Elfert
OhioGuy <none@none.net> writes:
> I'd like to know that in say, 3 to 4 years, I can easily find a new
>power supply for about $25 or less, and pop in a new motherboard/cpu
>combo for $100 or less to upgrade the whole thing.
The Dell Studio Hybrid is not for you if you want to do this type of
upgrade. The Studio Hybrid is basically a laptop in a desktop case. It
uses a laptop model of the Core2 Duo processor along with other laptop parts.
Most poeple will never upgrade their motherboard or CPU. By the time a
computer needs a newer CPU there are other advancements so as larger HDs,
better optical drives, and newer operating systems that make a new
computer more practical.
for the average user, a new computer today will last much longer than in
previous years. CPU speeds are now fast enough that it will take a long
time for most folks to outgrow them. Of course, serious gamers and heavy
users like folks doing vidoe editing will want to upgrade on a regular
basis
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 17 2009 12:47 pm
From: Dave Garland
Brian Elfert wrote:
> for the average user, a new computer today will last much longer than in
> previous years. CPU speeds are now fast enough that it will take a long
> time for most folks to outgrow them.
The determining factor often is new software, which in addition to
being even more bloated than the old software also may require an
"up"grade of Windows. Apps that want to be running all the time.
Sludge left over from old software downloads even after the software
is removed.
I'm happy with W2K. But there is software that won't run on it. I
expect the same thing will be happening to XP users, and (how time
flies) Vista users.
But you're right, upgrading (if it involves more than sticking another
stick of RAM in, until you hit the 4G limit) often isn't economically
viable.
Dave
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TOPIC: Doorbell, etc. - Saving $2.50 per month!
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 17 2009 8:57 am
From: "Bill"
I've been doing whatever I can think of to reduce my energy costs for the
last 7 years.
Every time I discuss various projects on the internet, someone has told me
it is a bad return on my money...
Looking at the stock market, I am quite pleased that this is where I have
invested my money (on a lower cost of living).
I have a friend who went the other route and received a "high return on his
investment" as advised by these people. At last count he has lost 100K on
his retirement account.
So where should I invest my money instead of spending it on reducing my
energy costs?
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 17 2009 9:37 am
From: albundy2@mailinator.com
On Feb 16, 8:51 pm, d...@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote:
> In <G5Sdnbs7duN5awXUnZ2dnUVZ_hmdn...@posted.localnet>, John Gilmer wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >"Tony Hwang" <drago...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> >news:gJXll.7267$EO2.2469@newsfe04.iad...
> >> Bill wrote:
>
> >> Hi,
> >> My electricity costs 7 cents per KWh locked for 5 years. What if you keep
> >> powering up/down multiple devices and a surge cause a damage. The repair
> >> cost may far exceed the 2.00 per month. If I wanted to save electric
> >> energy my way would be using more efficient devices or minimize the usage
> >> by careful planning ahead.
>
> >What? Are you talking about the "surge" when you first power up something?
>
> >Could be.
>
> >$30/year for the convenience of having everything ready to go rather than
> >requiring the hunting down of power strips here and there isn't much.
>
> >Seems to me that the "standby" power performance is getting better. I say
> >than only because stuff in "standby" seems to be running cooler.
>
> First time I got a cell phone, maybe 8-9 years ago, the wallwart for
> charging it was an iron core one. Since then I had cellphones with
> switchmode charging wallwarts that ran cooler and probably consumed about
> 1 watt, possibly 1.5 watts less electricity apiece.
> It appears to me that one major reason behind switchmode cell phone
> chargers was that they can be made narrow enough to not block adjacent
> outlets on a power strip.
>
> - Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)
I have many of those larger transformers for things too. I made a
bunch of short cords from old discarded devices to use as extensions
to the outlet. In some cases, I soldered the wires directly to the
plugs of the transformer and insulated them well for safety. I don't
care about ever plugging those devices directly anyway so the
modification is a permanent fix.
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 17 2009 9:43 am
From: nmassello@gmail.com (Neill Massello)
<trader4@optonline.net> wrote:
> I'm surprised no one asked how he determined the $2.50 per month.
> Unless he used a Kilowatt meter or similar on each device he was
> turning off, it would be impossible to come up with an accurate
> number just by looking at a couple months bills. Bills vary widely by
> weather, different usage, etc.
The average rate for residential power in the United States is just
under 11.9 cents per kilowatt hour.
<http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricity/epm/table5_6_a.html>
At that rate, $2.50 works out to about 29 watts per hour for an average
(730 hour) month. That's a plausible total for all the devices that run
in standby mode in the typical modern house. (As has been noted
elsewhere, some of those devices -- wireless telephones and devices that
use clocks, for example -- aren't very useful if they're powered down
completely.)
Replacing lighted power strips is probably a false economy, especially
if those strips (and their lights) are kept powered off most of the
time. The small neon lights in power strips consume less than half a
watt, which would mean more than seven years of continuous use just to
get back the typical $4 cost of a new strip.
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 17 2009 7:03 pm
From: "hallerb@aol.com"
On Feb 17, 12:37�pm, albun...@mailinator.com wrote:
> On Feb 16, 8:51 pm, d...@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In <G5Sdnbs7duN5awXUnZ2dnUVZ_hmdn...@posted.localnet>, John Gilmer wrote:
>
> > >"Tony Hwang" <drago...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> > >news:gJXll.7267$EO2.2469@newsfe04.iad...
> > >> Bill wrote:
>
> > >> Hi,
> > >> My electricity costs 7 cents per KWh locked for 5 years. What if you keep
> > >> powering up/down multiple devices and a surge cause a damage. The repair
> > >> cost may far exceed the 2.00 per month. If I wanted to save electric
> > >> energy my way would be using more efficient devices or minimize the usage
> > >> by careful planning ahead.
>
> > >What? � Are you talking about the "surge" when you first power up something?
>
> > >Could be.
>
> > >$30/year for the convenience of having everything ready to go rather than
> > >requiring the hunting down of power strips here and there isn't much.
>
> > >Seems to me that the "standby" power performance is getting better. � I say
> > >than only because stuff in "standby" seems to be running cooler.
>
> > � First time I got a cell phone, maybe 8-9 years ago, the wallwart for
> > charging it was an iron core one. �Since then I had cellphones with
> > switchmode charging wallwarts that ran cooler and probably consumed about
> > 1 watt, possibly 1.5 watts less electricity apiece.
> > � It appears to me that one major reason behind switchmode cell phone
> > chargers was that they can be made narrow enough to not block adjacent
> > outlets on a power strip.
>
> > �- Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)
>
> I have many of those larger transformers for things too. I made a
> bunch of �short cords from old discarded devices to use as extensions
> to the outlet. In some cases, I soldered the wires directly to the
> plugs of the transformer and �insulated them well for safety. I don't
> care about ever plugging those devices directly anyway so the
> modification is a permanent fix.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I bought the cheap home depot extension cords, made for lighting but
fine for transformers, cut off all but a foot of cord, left the
receptable and installed a new plug.
they are two prong but accomodate 3 things. decluttered the wiring
mess a lot
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 17 2009 7:44 pm
From: aemeijers
hallerb@aol.com wrote:
> On Feb 17, 12:37�pm, albun...@mailinator.com wrote:
>> On Feb 16, 8:51 pm, d...@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> In <G5Sdnbs7duN5awXUnZ2dnUVZ_hmdn...@posted.localnet>, John Gilmer wrote:
>>>> "Tony Hwang" <drago...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
>>>> news:gJXll.7267$EO2.2469@newsfe04.iad...
>>>>> Bill wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> My electricity costs 7 cents per KWh locked for 5 years. What if you keep
>>>>> powering up/down multiple devices and a surge cause a damage. The repair
>>>>> cost may far exceed the 2.00 per month. If I wanted to save electric
>>>>> energy my way would be using more efficient devices or minimize the usage
>>>>> by careful planning ahead.
>>>> What? � Are you talking about the "surge" when you first power up something?
>>>> Could be.
>>>> $30/year for the convenience of having everything ready to go rather than
>>>> requiring the hunting down of power strips here and there isn't much.
>>>> Seems to me that the "standby" power performance is getting better. � I say
>>>> than only because stuff in "standby" seems to be running cooler.
>>> � First time I got a cell phone, maybe 8-9 years ago, the wallwart for
>>> charging it was an iron core one. �Since then I had cellphones with
>>> switchmode charging wallwarts that ran cooler and probably consumed about
>>> 1 watt, possibly 1.5 watts less electricity apiece.
>>> � It appears to me that one major reason behind switchmode cell phone
>>> chargers was that they can be made narrow enough to not block adjacent
>>> outlets on a power strip.
>>> �- Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)
>> I have many of those larger transformers for things too. I made a
>> bunch of �short cords from old discarded devices to use as extensions
>> to the outlet. In some cases, I soldered the wires directly to the
>> plugs of the transformer and �insulated them well for safety. I don't
>> care about ever plugging those devices directly anyway so the
>> modification is a permanent fix.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> I bought the cheap home depot extension cords, made for lighting but
> fine for transformers, cut off all but a foot of cord, left the
> receptable and installed a new plug.
>
> they are two prong but accomodate 3 things. decluttered the wiring
> mess a lot
A couple of my plug strips have the outlets at 90 degrees, spaced far
enough apart that you can put a wall wart at each position. Looks like a
bunch of little pigs at a trough, tails hanging out.
--
aem sends...
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TOPIC: America is doomed without industrial restoration
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Date: Tues, Feb 17 2009 9:00 am
From: Bama Brian
zzbunker wrote:
> On Feb 15, 9:10 pm, Aviroce <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Four years ago or more, I wrote an article on open Yahoo forum which
>> Yahoo adapted to their file for publication. That article deals with
>> what America has been known for and that coincides with some of your
>> statements.
>>
>> 'The only solution is to withdarw from the WTO and allow US workers -
>> and only US workers - the ability to make this country into a
>> powerhouse again "
>>
>> As for your,
>> "This morning I was reading Sen. Leathy's comments supporting
>> immigration "reform". The old degenerate wants more immigrants! "
>> the Army announced plans to induct even temporary visa-ed Mexicans
>> into the Army to fill their quota. Needless to say, the military
>> complex had inducted over 88,000 illegal migrants into the Army,
>> Marines, and Navy and facilitated their USA citizenships while on
>> service of duty. Now they are openning the avenue for further
>> recruits.
>>
>> Keep in mind these desparate Mexicans to make a living are "Slaves by
>> Choice." It is undfortunate. Even the Dollar Tree stores use
>> Mexicans for their dedicated labor for less. Rainbow clothing use
>> these Mexicans even in store management. When you pay an employee
>> twelve thousand dollars for work worth sixty thousand dollars, then
>> you got some choice to make.
>>
>> What some of these businesses are forgetting about that American labor
>> is willing to go down in their wages just to land a job. I use a
>> handyman for $50 a day to fix my homes from sheet rock to roofing to
>> electrical work to heating and air conditionning. All workers are
>> Americans, black and white. No illegal aliens. That would be un-
>> American. Having said that I get offended to find an illegal alien
>> manning a Dollar Tree oe Rainbow stores while native Americans are
>> under his/her command. Are Americans being colonized?
>
> Of, course. Since that's the only thing any of those convenience
> stores use for either electric help or anything else anymore.
> Which is also why amymore the real engineers mostly build
> Optical Computers, HDTV, Holograms, On-Line Banking,
> On-Line Publishing, Post Ford Batteries, Adaptive A.I.
> Fiber Optics, Pv Cell Energy, Post AT&T Phonics,
> and Post GM Robotics.
The "real" engineers watch their designs being sent offshore for build.
They then watch as the offshore factory engineers blatantly copy their
design and flood the market with cheaper copies.
Even IBM sold their computer hardware market directly to a Chinese company.
--
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
George Santayana, 1863 - 1952
Cheers,
Bama Brian
Libertarian
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 17 2009 2:05 pm
From: zzbunker
On Feb 17, 12:00 pm, Bama Brian <bamaNOTbr...@att.net> wrote:
> zzbunkerwrote:
> > On Feb 15, 9:10 pm, Aviroce <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Four years ago or more, I wrote an article on open Yahoo forum which
> >> Yahoo adapted to their file for publication. That article deals with
> >> what America has been known for and that coincides with some of your
> >> statements.
>
> >> 'The only solution is to withdarw from the WTO and allow US workers -
> >> and only US workers - the ability to make this country into a
> >> powerhouse again "
>
> >> As for your,
> >> "This morning I was reading Sen. Leathy's comments supporting
> >> immigration "reform". The old degenerate wants more immigrants! "
> >> the Army announced plans to induct even temporary visa-ed Mexicans
> >> into the Army to fill their quota. Needless to say, the military
> >> complex had inducted over 88,000 illegal migrants into the Army,
> >> Marines, and Navy and facilitated their USA citizenships while on
> >> service of duty. Now they are openning the avenue for further
> >> recruits.
>
> >> Keep in mind these desparate Mexicans to make a living are "Slaves by
> >> Choice." It is undfortunate. Even the Dollar Tree stores use
> >> Mexicans for their dedicated labor for less. Rainbow clothing use
> >> these Mexicans even in store management. When you pay an employee
> >> twelve thousand dollars for work worth sixty thousand dollars, then
> >> you got some choice to make.
>
> >> What some of these businesses are forgetting about that American labor
> >> is willing to go down in their wages just to land a job. I use a
> >> handyman for $50 a day to fix my homes from sheet rock to roofing to
> >> electrical work to heating and air conditionning. All workers are
> >> Americans, black and white. No illegal aliens. That would be un-
> >> American. Having said that I get offended to find an illegal alien
> >> manning a Dollar Tree oe Rainbow stores while native Americans are
> >> under his/her command. Are Americans being colonized?
>
> > Of, course. Since that's the only thing any of those convenience
> > stores use for either electric help or anything else anymore.
> > Which is also why amymore the real engineers mostly build
> > Optical Computers, HDTV, Holograms, On-Line Banking,
> > On-Line Publishing, Post Ford Batteries, Adaptive A.I.
> > Fiber Optics, Pv Cell Energy, Post AT&T Phonics,
> > and Post GM Robotics.
>
> The "real" engineers watch their designs being sent offshore for build.
> They then watch as the offshore factory engineers blatantly copy their
> design and flood the market with cheaper copies.
>
> Even IBM sold their computer hardware market directly to a Chinese company.
Well, that was predestimed. Since it became obvious, quickly
after the AT&T breakup, that the only thing iBM knew about
computers was AT&T.
Which is also the people who knew about computer-engineering
jobs worked on Optical Computers, HDTV, Robotics,
and Laser Disks that aren't owned by G.M.
>
> --
> "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
> George Santayana, 1863 - 1952
>
> Cheers,
> Bama Brian
> Libertarian- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
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TOPIC: The Problem With Whites ( Kevin MacDonald )
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 17 2009 9:05 am
From: mg
On Feb 14, 5:11 pm, hp...@lycos.com wrote:
> On Feb 14, 3:31 pm, jazzerci...@hotmail.com (-) wrote:
>
> >http://www.rense.com/general85/prob.htm
>
> > The Problem With Whites
> > By Kevin MacDonald
> > 2-13-9
>
> > America will soon have a white minority. This is a much desired state of
> > affairs for the hostile elites who hold political power and shape public
> > opinion. . . .
>
> > And it's not as if everyone is doing it. Only Western nations view their own
> > demographic and cultural eclipse as a moral imperative. . . .
I don't think it has anything to do with "hostile elites" or a "moral
imperative". Republicans like emigrants because they work cheaper and
Democrats like emigrants because they help them win elections.
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TOPIC: Modern coal stoves that are convenient and clean?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 17 2009 10:48 am
From: Jeff
me@privacy.net wrote:
> Jeff <dont_bug_me@all.uk> wrote:
>
>>> Falls off trains here locally!
>>
>> Now, that's frugal! I like it!
>
> Yes but is it safe?
I don't see any real environmental problems that are different than
those with wood stoves. You want a good quality air tight stove. Some
have catalysts, some have some kind of after burner. But in general, all
your exhaust gas is going up the flue and these devices are designed to
clean up the outside air, not the inside. Keep the door shut. Make sure
your flue is in good shape and drafting properly.
http://www.blaschakcoal.com/html/stoves.htm
Coal stoves should be smaller than a wood stove for the same BTU, and
you may find hoppers or feeders and some way to ignite the coal as it
doesn't start as easily.
Your biggest issue is going to be getting a stove that takes the coal
that you find, most of the modern stoves are running on some kind of
pelletized fuel.
Jeff
>
> That's what you need to look at as coal produces very
> harmful soot and such and you sure don't want any of
> that inside your home and breathing it in
>
> Hence the question abt modern hi-tech coal stoves that
> are clean
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TOPIC: Calling card to call from Orlando to Canada? buy in Florida?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 17 2009 12:40 pm
From: "Bob F"
lbbss wrote:
> We will be going to Orlando soon and will need to call home from
> Florida to Canada. I assume you can easily find a calling card at
> any conveniance store in Florida for $5? That would be much cheaper
> than using my cell phone. I assume you can use these calling card at
> a pay phone? Do you still need to ad some corder's to use the phone?
> Thanks.
The one's I've seen all use up a dollar or so of the card for using a pay phone.
No "corder's" necessary. You might check out onesuite.com as an alternative. In
either case, it's much cheaper in you use them at a non-payphone.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 17 2009 6:44 pm
From: Fring
On Feb 17, 9:24 am, lbbss <labi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> We will be going to Orlando soon and will need to call home from
> Florida to Canada. I assume you can easily find a calling card at
> any conveniance store in Florida for $5? That would be much cheaper
> than using my cell phone. I assume you can use these calling card at
> a pay phone? Do you still need to ad some corder's to use the phone?
> Thanks.
No need to go out to buy a phone card. You can do it online and I
suggest you try Onesuite.com because its prepaid and they got cheap
rates. Calling Canada is only 1.9 cents per minute from Florida.
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TOPIC: Money ?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 17 2009 11:50 am
From: Coffee's For Closers
In article <john-76FC8E.19104111022009@news-3.octanews.net>,
john@johnweeks.com says...
> In article
> <georgewkspam-C6F0F6.07242411022009@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,
> Okikuro <georgewkspam@humboldt1.com> wrote:
>
> > paper bills are great for those that believe in..... gummint.
> Paper bills are money. You can buy anything you want with
> it, and exchange it for goods and services. There is nothing
> to believe in. If you have paper bills, you have money, and
> you can spend it at will. Anyone who tries to tell you otherwise
> is a looney.
The required belief is that, the money I receive today,
will still have a similar buying power when I spend it
next week, or next year.
Inflation means that, the money will be gradually degraded, the
longer I hold it. Hyperinflation can crush your paycheque's
value within hours. Which is why people lose "belief" in the
currency, and may even refuse to accept it.
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Credit Tools, Reference, and Forum
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TOPIC: need a small, inexpensive urban TV antenna
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 17 2009 5:53 pm
From: The Real Bev
John A. Weeks III wrote:
> "hallerb@aol.com" <hallerb@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Well lets see:)
>
> ...said the blind man. All kinds of misinformation here.
>
>> The DTV conversion will from FCC numbers raise the number of unserved
>> homes nationwide by 2.
>
> Since most people get their TV from cable or satellite or internet,
> the number of people who depend on over-the-air is small.
I'm willing to wager that more than the usual number of only-over-the-air
viewers read mcfl. Us, for instance.
--
Cheers, Bev
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difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of
mind-boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."
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TOPIC: It's all falling apart, isn't it?
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 17 2009 6:46 pm
From: Harold Burton
In article <gn3u7f$br0$1@reader.motzarella.org>,
"Dave" <noway1@nohow2.not> wrote:
> "William Boyd" <williamboyd@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:49957037$1@news.x-privat.org...
> > Dave wrote:
> >>> When the unemployment rate gets to 10% it should get America's
> >>> attention.
> >>
> >>
> >> The unemployment rate is over 20% right now, in the U.S.A. At last
> >> REPORT
> >> (that I heard anyway) it was near 7%. But the formula was changed/fudged
> >> so
> >> that it no longer included discouraged workers. In other words, if this
> >> was
> >> say, 1968, the REPORTED unemployment level would be about 22%. -Dave
> >>
> >>
> > OK Chicken Little why don't you use the statistics.
> >
> > http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09037/947350-100.stm
> >
> > U.S. unemployment rate hits 7.6 percent
>
> and when those statistics add in discouraged workers? The number is far
> greater than 7.6% -Dave
Yeah, so, thank DemoCRAPs LBJ for the change.
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 17 2009 6:46 pm
From: Harold Burton
In article <gn3qdq$95n$1@news.motzarella.org>,
"Dave" <noway1@noway2.not> wrote:
> > When the unemployment rate gets to 10% it should get America's
> > attention.
>
>
> The unemployment rate is over 20% right now, in the U.S.A. At last REPORT
> (that I heard anyway) it was near 7%. But the formula was changed/fudged so
> that it no longer included discouraged workers. In other words, if this was
> say, 1968..
Right, before DemocRAT Johnson changed the rules. Bet the
Obama-lama-ding-dong appreciates that.
Snicker.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 17 2009 6:48 pm
From: Harold Burton
In article <Xns9BB19EC40239greederxprtnet@85.214.105.209>,
Gordon <gonzo@alltomyself.com> wrote:
> "Dave" <noway1@nohow2.not> wrote in
> news:gn3u7f$br0$1@reader.motzarella.org:
>
> >
> > "William Boyd" <williamboyd@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:49957037$1@news.x-privat.org...
> >> Dave wrote:
> >>>> When the unemployment rate gets to 10% it should get America's
> >>>> attention.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The unemployment rate is over 20% right now, in the U.S.A. At last
> >>> REPORT
> >>> (that I heard anyway) it was near 7%. But the formula was
> >>> changed/fudged so
> >>> that it no longer included discouraged workers. In other words, if
> >>> this was
> >>> say, 1968, the REPORTED unemployment level would be about 22%.
> >>> -Dave
> >>>
> >>>
> >> OK Chicken Little why don't you use the statistics.
> >>
> >> http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09037/947350-100.stm
> >>
> >> U.S. unemployment rate hits 7.6 percent
> >
> > and when those statistics add in discouraged workers? The number is
> > far greater than 7.6% -Dave
> >
>
> It's not just discoraged workers. Eventually they get whatever
> job they can find. Instead of making a profesional wage of
> 50K+ per year they end up making minimum wage or slightly
> better. But, hey! They are now employed. So the unemployment
> rate goes down. Gee, so why does the economy still suck?
Because so many whiners spend their time bitching on usenet instead of
working?
Snicker.
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 17 2009 7:27 pm
From: Harold Burton
In article <nridnfofLq2D4wbUnZ2dnUVZ_tfinZ2d@posted.visi>,
Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote:
> Harold Burton wrote:
> > Right, before DemocRAT Johnson changed the rules. Bet the
> > Obama-lama-ding-dong appreciates that.
>
> Wow, the intellectual level of Republicans continues to astound us.
> No wonder they gave us a depression.
But you couldn't actually dispute the accuracy of the claim.
Snicker
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