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TOPIC: Eggplant going bad?
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 18 2009 6:21 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
sr wrote:
> You make my statement more complicated than it was , Rod Speed.
Nope. The salt has no effect whatever on the safety of the eggplant being discussed.
> My point is, salt has a the ability to retard bacteria growth.
Not in the situation being discussed it doesnt.
> Bacteria that causes the breaking down (rotting) process to begin.
There is no 'breaking down (rotting) process'
with slices of eggplant not in the fridge overnight.
The most that might happen is that they might dry out a bit.
> Wasn't that the question?
Nope, the question was whether it was safe to eat it.
Of course it is.
> I wasn't making any point about cooking procedure and outcome. Perhaps, I misread the original question, if the only
> question was, is it eatable, without wondering about the safety (being left out all night)
The question was indeed about the safety.
> The lady said it was salted, so safe. I elaborated on why it was probably safe.
But mangled the story completely because no brine was involved.
> So, I wonder : the rest of the story? Was it eaten or not.
Doesnt matter. What matters is that it was safe to eat.
> It would be nice to hear from the original posters.
Some of them appear to hide under the bed when anything is at
all controversial or dont like other than black and white answers.
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> sr wrote
>>> Let me clarify, I said salt is a perservative, along that line of thinking.
>>
>> It isnt with eggplants when used like she did.
>>
>>> Why is it a perservative? We know a salt solution is use when we
>>> have a sore throat, also a saline solution (salt and sterile
>>> water) is use for nasal sprays, a weaker solution for eye washes,
>>> etc. so it follows, salt kills bacteria, therefore the eggplant
>>> would be okay to eay, as it was salted.
>>
>> It would be fine unsalted too. Essentially because there is no
>> bacteria that matters with those eggplant slices. And she only
>> sliced it up to apply the salt to get rid of the bitter taste anyway.
>>
>> The eggplant would survive fine not cut up, out of the fridge
>> overnight.
>>> I thought just stating it is a perservative would be statement
>>> enough, I was wrong, again
>>
>> And you are again now.
>>
>>
>>>>>> Not with vegetables it isnt.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Remember how hams are salted down, etc
>>>>
>>>>>> Thats meat, not a vegetable.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> noel888 <harri85274@aol.com> wrote
>>>>
>>>>>>>> My wife had setup salting sliced eggplants for today's meal.
>>>>>>>> She had put them in a colander with salt to get rid of the
>>>>>>>> bitterness. The problem? She left them out on the kitchen
>>>>>>>> counter overnight. I said to her that it has to be thrown out
>>>>>>>> and she said that the salt has preserved them...now we are
>>>>>>>> debating. Any suggestions?
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 18 2009 7:41 pm
From: "sr"
So, you don't believe that a vegetable would not start breaking down
immediately upon cutting?
That salt detoures bacterial production?
If you don't agree on those two premises, than we agree to disagree.
Is there a doctor in the House!
Bet the original poster would never believe the string the question would
create.
In the meantime, the eggplant is probably eaten and digested.
No wonder nations have problems with one another when we can't agree on an
eggplant , my golly-
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7k1t8eF3849o8U1@mid.individual.net...
> sr wrote:
>
>> You make my statement more complicated than it was , Rod Speed.
>
> Nope. The salt has no effect whatever on the safety of the eggplant being
> discussed.
>
>> My point is, salt has a the ability to retard bacteria growth.
>
> Not in the situation being discussed it doesnt.
>
>> Bacteria that causes the breaking down (rotting) process to begin.
>
> There is no 'breaking down (rotting) process'
> with slices of eggplant not in the fridge overnight.
>
> The most that might happen is that they might dry out a bit.
>
>> Wasn't that the question?
>
> Nope, the question was whether it was safe to eat it.
>
> Of course it is.
>
>> I wasn't making any point about cooking procedure and outcome. Perhaps, I
>> misread the original question, if the only question was, is it eatable,
>> without wondering about the safety (being left out all night)
>
> The question was indeed about the safety.
>
>> The lady said it was salted, so safe. I elaborated on why it was
>> probably safe.
>
> But mangled the story completely because no brine was involved.
>
>> So, I wonder : the rest of the story? Was it eaten or not.
>
> Doesnt matter. What matters is that it was safe to eat.
>
>> It would be nice to hear from the original posters.
>
> Some of them appear to hide under the bed when anything is at
> all controversial or dont like other than black and white answers.
>
>
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> sr wrote
>
>>>> Let me clarify, I said salt is a perservative, along that line of
>>>> thinking.
>>>
>>> It isnt with eggplants when used like she did.
>>>
>>>> Why is it a perservative? We know a salt solution is use when we
>>>> have a sore throat, also a saline solution (salt and sterile
>>>> water) is use for nasal sprays, a weaker solution for eye washes,
>>>> etc. so it follows, salt kills bacteria, therefore the eggplant
>>>> would be okay to eay, as it was salted.
>>>
>>> It would be fine unsalted too. Essentially because there is no
>>> bacteria that matters with those eggplant slices. And she only
>>> sliced it up to apply the salt to get rid of the bitter taste anyway.
>>>
>>> The eggplant would survive fine not cut up, out of the fridge
>>> overnight.
>>>> I thought just stating it is a perservative would be statement
>>>> enough, I was wrong, again
>>>
>>> And you are again now.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> Not with vegetables it isnt.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Remember how hams are salted down, etc
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thats meat, not a vegetable.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> noel888 <harri85274@aol.com> wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My wife had setup salting sliced eggplants for today's meal.
>>>>>>>>> She had put them in a colander with salt to get rid of the
>>>>>>>>> bitterness. The problem? She left them out on the kitchen
>>>>>>>>> counter overnight. I said to her that it has to be thrown out
>>>>>>>>> and she said that the salt has preserved them...now we are
>>>>>>>>> debating. Any suggestions?
>
>
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 18 2009 8:24 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
sr wrote:
> So, you don't believe that a vegetable would not start breaking down immediately upon cutting?
Not in the sense that that will produce any safety problem for eating it.
> That salt detoures bacterial production?
Not in the sense that that will produce any safety problem for eating it.
> If you don't agree on those two premises, than we agree to disagree.
I dont agree to disagree either.
> Is there a doctor in the House!
Dont need one of those. Its very basic science.
> Bet the original poster would never believe the string the question would create.
Very likely.
> In the meantime, the eggplant is probably eaten and digested.
And other may well consider the question of when vegetables
left out of the fridge overnight are safe to eat etc.
> No wonder nations have problems with one another when we can't agree on an eggplant , my golly-
Welcome to usenet.
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:7k1t8eF3849o8U1@mid.individual.net...
>> sr wrote:
>>
>>> You make my statement more complicated than it was , Rod Speed.
>>
>> Nope. The salt has no effect whatever on the safety of the eggplant
>> being discussed.
>>
>>> My point is, salt has a the ability to retard bacteria growth.
>>
>> Not in the situation being discussed it doesnt.
>>
>>> Bacteria that causes the breaking down (rotting) process to begin.
>>
>> There is no 'breaking down (rotting) process'
>> with slices of eggplant not in the fridge overnight.
>>
>> The most that might happen is that they might dry out a bit.
>>
>>> Wasn't that the question?
>>
>> Nope, the question was whether it was safe to eat it.
>>
>> Of course it is.
>>
>>> I wasn't making any point about cooking procedure and outcome.
>>> Perhaps, I misread the original question, if the only question was,
>>> is it eatable, without wondering about the safety (being left out
>>> all night)
>>
>> The question was indeed about the safety.
>>
>>> The lady said it was salted, so safe. I elaborated on why it was
>>> probably safe.
>>
>> But mangled the story completely because no brine was involved.
>>
>>> So, I wonder : the rest of the story? Was it eaten or not.
>>
>> Doesnt matter. What matters is that it was safe to eat.
>>
>>> It would be nice to hear from the original posters.
>>
>> Some of them appear to hide under the bed when anything is at
>> all controversial or dont like other than black and white answers.
>>
>>
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> sr wrote
>>
>>>>> Let me clarify, I said salt is a perservative, along that line of
>>>>> thinking.
>>>>
>>>> It isnt with eggplants when used like she did.
>>>>
>>>>> Why is it a perservative? We know a salt solution is use when we
>>>>> have a sore throat, also a saline solution (salt and sterile
>>>>> water) is use for nasal sprays, a weaker solution for eye washes,
>>>>> etc. so it follows, salt kills bacteria, therefore the eggplant
>>>>> would be okay to eay, as it was salted.
>>>>
>>>> It would be fine unsalted too. Essentially because there is no
>>>> bacteria that matters with those eggplant slices. And she only
>>>> sliced it up to apply the salt to get rid of the bitter taste
>>>> anyway. The eggplant would survive fine not cut up, out of the fridge
>>>> overnight.
>>>>> I thought just stating it is a perservative would be statement
>>>>> enough, I was wrong, again
>>>>
>>>> And you are again now.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not with vegetables it isnt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Remember how hams are salted down, etc
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thats meat, not a vegetable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> noel888 <harri85274@aol.com> wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My wife had setup salting sliced eggplants for today's meal.
>>>>>>>>>> She had put them in a colander with salt to get rid of the
>>>>>>>>>> bitterness. The problem? She left them out on the kitchen
>>>>>>>>>> counter overnight. I said to her that it has to be thrown out
>>>>>>>>>> and she said that the salt has preserved them...now we are
>>>>>>>>>> debating. Any suggestions?
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TOPIC: book, freight container housing, or cargo container experience?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/2f27ef50eb24e22e?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 18 2009 6:23 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
sr wrote:
> don't know about downloads, regretfully, did find a book. 50 bucks
Lot cheaper to learn how to download.
> http://container4home.com/
> Amazon doesn't carry this one. yet
>
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:7k14j9F36r3rhU1@mid.individual.net...
>> sr wrote:
>>
>>> Ofcourse, Bobvile did a segiment , saw it online some time back. My
>>> computer hasn't enough power to watch the demostration. Bummer.
>>> Can't watch anything online, which would be a big help.
>>
>> There are downloaders for situations like that.
>>
>>> One thing, I wouldn't be using spray foam, discount panels are
>>> cheaper. $240 for a cord in Bangor, ME thanks
>>
>>
>>> "Les Cargill" <lcargill99@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:hbfgo1$3od$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> sr wrote:
>>>>> Yes, a friend of a friend use a train section for a diner, neat-
>>>>> and a friend used a school bus, I was never that interested, at
>>>>> the time, to ask
>>>>> constuction questions, wish I had. I imagine there will be need
>>>>> of weilding skills.
>>>>> That's costly, in itself. I need a book on the basics of
>>>>> converting shipping container
>>>>> into a home. Every step, every detail. Still searching.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've seen ISBUs being prepped for bein' sent to the sandbox ( Iraq
>>>> ). I can't tell you anything directly, but this was interesting:
>>>>
>>>> http://video.bobvila.com/m/21320565/converting-steel-shipping-containers-to-housing.htm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This means wielding a cuttin' torch... that's a lot of labor. They
>>>> also mentioned welding the floor joists between the two halves.
>>>> That would have to be done very carefully
>>>>
>>>> The figure quoted was $45 a square foot. They have to use a
>>>> high-thermal-density ceramic coating on the outside ( because
>>>> of solar load in Florida ). If the containers comprise half the
>>>> square footage, that half of a 2k sq ft house is $45,000. Yowch. If
>>>> the rest is half that, then the whole thing costs $67,500 for
>>>> 2k sq ft.
>>>>
>>>> To be honest with you - I bet you can find a short sale or
>>>> repo quicker and cheaper than you can get this done. You're still
>>>> on the hook for trusses, interior and flooring. I don't remember
>>>> the exact ratio, but getting a concrete block shell in Florida was
>>>> pretty cheap when last I checked. People there are pretty hard up.
>>>>
>>>> If you had a site that was appropriate for rammed earth,
>>>> had local materials on your land for the exterior parts that
>>>> show, these might be interesting - ignoring rust. But the value-add
>>>> is extensive.
>>>>
>>>> And finally, if you just go hacking on these, you're likely
>>>> to compromise them. They're an engineered "exoskeleton" - the
>>>> skin is load-bearing. You can make mistakes if you don't know
>>>> the engineering.
>>>>
>>>> What I could visualize is using these on a hillside site as part
>>>> of a cantilever structure, but ... that's way over my head
>>>> engineeringwise.
>>>>> "Les Cargill" <lcargill99@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:hbdt84$f9o$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>> sr wrote:
>>>>>>> Anyone have experience with reconstructing freight or cargo
>>>>>>> container into green housing?
>>>>>>> Sandy in Maine
>>>>>> A friend once converted a boxcar into a shop building. Worked
>>>>>> great. I suppose you could make housing out of it...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Les Cargill
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Les Cargill
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 18 2009 6:46 pm
From: "sr"
What device do you need to download? Probably don't have it on this
reconditioned computer.
no bells nor whistles:
barely can get on the internet
---------
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7k1tbuF37qvtoU1@mid.individual.net...
> sr wrote:
>
>> don't know about downloads, regretfully, did find a book. 50 bucks
>
> Lot cheaper to learn how to download.
>
>> http://container4home.com/
>> Amazon doesn't carry this one. yet
>>
>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:7k14j9F36r3rhU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> sr wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ofcourse, Bobvile did a segiment , saw it online some time back. My
>>>> computer hasn't enough power to watch the demostration. Bummer.
>>>> Can't watch anything online, which would be a big help.
>>>
>>> There are downloaders for situations like that.
>>>
>>>> One thing, I wouldn't be using spray foam, discount panels are
>>>> cheaper. $240 for a cord in Bangor, ME thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>> "Les Cargill" <lcargill99@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:hbfgo1$3od$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> sr wrote:
>>>>>> Yes, a friend of a friend use a train section for a diner, neat-
>>>>>> and a friend used a school bus, I was never that interested, at
>>>>>> the time, to ask
>>>>>> constuction questions, wish I had. I imagine there will be need
>>>>>> of weilding skills.
>>>>>> That's costly, in itself. I need a book on the basics of
>>>>>> converting shipping container
>>>>>> into a home. Every step, every detail. Still searching.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I've seen ISBUs being prepped for bein' sent to the sandbox ( Iraq
>>>>> ). I can't tell you anything directly, but this was interesting:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://video.bobvila.com/m/21320565/converting-steel-shipping-containers-to-housing.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This means wielding a cuttin' torch... that's a lot of labor. They
>>>>> also mentioned welding the floor joists between the two halves.
>>>>> That would have to be done very carefully
>>>>>
>>>>> The figure quoted was $45 a square foot. They have to use a
>>>>> high-thermal-density ceramic coating on the outside ( because
>>>>> of solar load in Florida ). If the containers comprise half the
>>>>> square footage, that half of a 2k sq ft house is $45,000. Yowch. If
>>>>> the rest is half that, then the whole thing costs $67,500 for
>>>>> 2k sq ft.
>>>>>
>>>>> To be honest with you - I bet you can find a short sale or
>>>>> repo quicker and cheaper than you can get this done. You're still
>>>>> on the hook for trusses, interior and flooring. I don't remember
>>>>> the exact ratio, but getting a concrete block shell in Florida was
>>>>> pretty cheap when last I checked. People there are pretty hard up.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you had a site that was appropriate for rammed earth,
>>>>> had local materials on your land for the exterior parts that
>>>>> show, these might be interesting - ignoring rust. But the value-add
>>>>> is extensive.
>>>>>
>>>>> And finally, if you just go hacking on these, you're likely
>>>>> to compromise them. They're an engineered "exoskeleton" - the
>>>>> skin is load-bearing. You can make mistakes if you don't know
>>>>> the engineering.
>>>>>
>>>>> What I could visualize is using these on a hillside site as part
>>>>> of a cantilever structure, but ... that's way over my head
>>>>> engineeringwise.
>>>>>> "Les Cargill" <lcargill99@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:hbdt84$f9o$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>> sr wrote:
>>>>>>>> Anyone have experience with reconstructing freight or cargo
>>>>>>>> container into green housing?
>>>>>>>> Sandy in Maine
>>>>>>> A friend once converted a boxcar into a shop building. Worked
>>>>>>> great. I suppose you could make housing out of it...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Les Cargill
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Les Cargill
>
>
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 18 2009 8:18 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
sr wrote:
> What device do you need to download?
Just a piece of software. Plenty are free.
> Probably don't have it on this reconditioned computer.
> no bells nor whistles:
Then get it off the net and install it.
> barely can get on the internet
Dont believe that.
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:7k1tbuF37qvtoU1@mid.individual.net...
>> sr wrote:
>>
>>> don't know about downloads, regretfully, did find a book. 50 bucks
>>
>> Lot cheaper to learn how to download.
>>
>>> http://container4home.com/
>>> Amazon doesn't carry this one. yet
>>>
>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:7k14j9F36r3rhU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> sr wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ofcourse, Bobvile did a segiment , saw it online some time back. My computer hasn't enough power to watch the
>>>>> demostration. Bummer. Can't watch anything online, which would be a big help.
>>>>
>>>> There are downloaders for situations like that.
>>>>
>>>>> One thing, I wouldn't be using spray foam, discount panels are
>>>>> cheaper. $240 for a cord in Bangor, ME thanks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "Les Cargill" <lcargill99@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:hbfgo1$3od$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>> sr wrote:
>>>>>>> Yes, a friend of a friend use a train section for a diner, neat-
>>>>>>> and a friend used a school bus, I was never that interested, at
>>>>>>> the time, to ask
>>>>>>> constuction questions, wish I had. I imagine there will be need
>>>>>>> of weilding skills.
>>>>>>> That's costly, in itself. I need a book on the basics of
>>>>>>> converting shipping container
>>>>>>> into a home. Every step, every detail. Still searching.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've seen ISBUs being prepped for bein' sent to the sandbox (
>>>>>> Iraq ). I can't tell you anything directly, but this was
>>>>>> interesting: http://video.bobvila.com/m/21320565/converting-steel-shipping-containers-to-housing.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This means wielding a cuttin' torch... that's a lot of labor.
>>>>>> They also mentioned welding the floor joists between the two
>>>>>> halves. That would have to be done very carefully
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The figure quoted was $45 a square foot. They have to use a
>>>>>> high-thermal-density ceramic coating on the outside ( because
>>>>>> of solar load in Florida ). If the containers comprise half the
>>>>>> square footage, that half of a 2k sq ft house is $45,000. Yowch.
>>>>>> If the rest is half that, then the whole thing costs $67,500 for
>>>>>> 2k sq ft.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To be honest with you - I bet you can find a short sale or
>>>>>> repo quicker and cheaper than you can get this done. You're still
>>>>>> on the hook for trusses, interior and flooring. I don't remember
>>>>>> the exact ratio, but getting a concrete block shell in Florida
>>>>>> was pretty cheap when last I checked. People there are pretty
>>>>>> hard up. If you had a site that was appropriate for rammed earth,
>>>>>> had local materials on your land for the exterior parts that
>>>>>> show, these might be interesting - ignoring rust. But the
>>>>>> value-add is extensive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And finally, if you just go hacking on these, you're likely
>>>>>> to compromise them. They're an engineered "exoskeleton" - the
>>>>>> skin is load-bearing. You can make mistakes if you don't know
>>>>>> the engineering.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What I could visualize is using these on a hillside site as part
>>>>>> of a cantilever structure, but ... that's way over my head
>>>>>> engineeringwise.
>>>>>>> "Les Cargill" <lcargill99@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:hbdt84$f9o$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>>> sr wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Anyone have experience with reconstructing freight or cargo
>>>>>>>>> container into green housing?
>>>>>>>>> Sandy in Maine
>>>>>>>> A friend once converted a boxcar into a shop building. Worked
>>>>>>>> great. I suppose you could make housing out of it...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Les Cargill
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Les Cargill
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TOPIC: was anyone here now, on at the Y2K scare?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/73a6174a478bd0a3?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 18 2009 6:51 pm
From: gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)
In article <db19a$4adb5450$ccb58439$6669@ispn.net>,
sr <solos42@uninets.net> wrote:
>You wouldn't happen to be listening to that overnight show, would you?
You'd be referring to Coast to Coast AM with George Norri? Actually,
I catch about a half-hour of it before the local talk show comes on.
"No contact with reality" doesn't begin to describe most of the
guests on there. He brings in an occasional one that's for real,
though; a couple of weeks ago he had an author on who wrote a book
about the Antikythera Mechanism, a Roman-era device that has a lot
of scientists puzzled.
http://www.mondovista.com/firstcomputer.html
>That one, I am not getting sucked into. The Maine winters are more
>threating to me than 2012.
Crossing a street is more of a threat than 2012. I imagine the Aztecs
simply planned on recalculating the calendar every couple of thoursand
years, and someone wiped them out before they had the chance.
>Now, I had a friend that worked in the high tech business, he validated
>the worry. I haven't heard from him since, as I lost my computer.
>I would love to hear his explanation, however. He was one of the
>BRAINS in school. So I took it serously. I have since wised up.
>I think
There were quite a few things that needed work, but it got done.
Gary
--
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== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 18 2009 7:23 pm
From: gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)
In article <hbgdd4$e9v$1@news.datemas.de>, Marsha <mas@bex.net> wrote:
>Gary Heston wrote:
>> Now, someone is claiming that an ancient Aztec calendar says the world will
>> end in 2012; more nonsense to get attention and money.
>Won't you look silly when the world does end ;-)
Of course not; if the world ends, there won't be anyone to see.
Gary
--
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== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 18 2009 7:27 pm
From: "sr"
Gary Heston:"someone wiped them out before they had the chance."
You mean to tell me that they could tell the end of the earth, down to the
year, but didn't know they were going to get wiped out?
---------
couldn't help myself.
----------
You know, I tried to stay awake http://www.mondovista.com/firstcomputer.html
couldn't. thanks, I'll ck that out. Antikythera Mechanism
The overnight show is my sleeping device, better than any sleeping pill on
the
market.
I just marvel how anyone can make their living, but they must, they keep
coming back.
I'm interested in the financials. Energy devices.history, if not totally
distorted. and than,
the fun of listening to the
Sales jobs from some of the other guests. It's the best entertainment
for free. Now, that's
frugal entertainment.
I wish I had listened to Art Bell when he started peddling gold, years ago.
I would be typing
from the Caribbeans
May I ask what talkshow station are you following? Sometimes I can pick
up Talk Shows on
AM at night. Mostly out of Boston area, and Canada. I sure hope these
Talking heads don't get regulated by
our Government. I suppose coast to coast am would survive, however.
"Gary Heston" <gheston@hiwaay.net> wrote in message
news:pqGdnUZXm--zW0bXnZ2dnUVZ_hWdnZ2d@posted.hiwaay2...
> In article <db19a$4adb5450$ccb58439$6669@ispn.net>,
> sr <solos42@uninets.net> wrote:
>>You wouldn't happen to be listening to that overnight show, would you?
>
> You'd be referring to Coast to Coast AM with George Norri? Actually,
> I catch about a half-hour of it before the local talk show comes on.
> "No contact with reality" doesn't begin to describe most of the
> guests on there. He brings in an occasional one that's for real,
> though; a couple of weeks ago he had an author on who wrote a book
> about the Antikythera Mechanism, a Roman-era device that has a lot
> of scientists puzzled.
>
> http://www.mondovista.com/firstcomputer.html
>
>>That one, I am not getting sucked into. The Maine winters are more
>>threating to me than 2012.
>
> Crossing a street is more of a threat than 2012. I imagine the Aztecs
> simply planned on recalculating the calendar every couple of thoursand
> years, and someone wiped them out before they had the chance.
>
>>Now, I had a friend that worked in the high tech business, he validated
>>the worry. I haven't heard from him since, as I lost my computer.
>>I would love to hear his explanation, however. He was one of the
>>BRAINS in school. So I took it serously. I have since wised up.
>>I think
>
> There were quite a few things that needed work, but it got done.
>
>
> Gary
>
> --
> Gary Heston gheston@hiwaay.net http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/
> "Where large, expensive pieces of exotic woods are converted to valueless,
> hard to dispose of sawdust, chips and scraps." Charlie B.s' definition of
> woodworking.
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 18 2009 9:09 pm
From: gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)
In article <36eb2$4adbce99$ccb58404$26157@ispn.net>,
sr <solos42@uninets.net> wrote:
> Gary Heston:"someone wiped them out before they had the chance."
>You mean to tell me that they could tell the end of the earth, down to the
>year, but didn't know they were going to get wiped out?
>---------
>couldn't help myself.
>----------
I think they just calculated until their stone was full, which happened
to be equivalent to 2012AD. After all, astronomical events are mostly
predictable (comets, meteors, and asteroid impacts being exceptions).
Getting invaded or struck by disease aren't.
>You know, I tried to stay awake http://www.mondovista.com/firstcomputer.html
>couldn't. thanks, I'll ck that out. Antikythera Mechanism
Yes, it's bandwidth-intensive. Animations usually are.
>The overnight show is my sleeping device, better than any sleeping pill on
>the
>market.
> I just marvel how anyone can make their living, but they must, they keep
>coming back.
> I'm interested in the financials. Energy devices.history, if not totally
>distorted. and than,
>the fun of listening to the
>Sales jobs from some of the other guests. It's the best entertainment
>for free. Now, that's
>frugal entertainment.
Yes; remember, though, that conspiracy theorists are suckers for buying
anything that remotely agrees with them. That keeps the advertisers in
business.
>I wish I had listened to Art Bell when he started peddling gold, years ago.
>I would be typing
>from the Caribbeans
You, me, and many others.
> May I ask what talkshow station are you following? Sometimes I can pick
>up Talk Shows on
>AM at night. Mostly out of Boston area, and Canada. I sure hope these
>Talking heads don't get regulated by
>our Government. I suppose coast to coast am would survive, however.
You can listen to them at:
http://www.wbhpam.com/main.html
when you're at the Cafe or library.
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--
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 18 2009 7:10 pm
From: "The Henchman"
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news:hbfbc5$lnm$1@news.albasani.net...
> Roger wrote:
>> [Michael Savage]
>>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 18 2009 7:21 pm
From: Wilson Woods
Rod Speed wrote:
> Wilson Woods wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Wilson Woods wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> Michael Coburn wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>
>>>> You're not dealing with an honest participant in the looter Coburn.
>
>>> He's just misguided. You in spades.
>
>> Not even close.
>
> Fraid so.
Not even close.
>>> He's only a truck driver, nothing like a rocket scientist.
>
>> He's neither.
>
> Thats what he was, a truck driver,
You're full of shit.
>>>> This guy started out saying that medical insurance doesn't benefit
>>>> the consumer, period - that the entire enterprise is a waste.
>
>>> Thats a dishonest misrepresentation of what he actually said.
>
>> No, it isn't:
>
> Yes it is.
It's not. You're full of shit.
>> Some poster:
>> You think that it is wrong to make money by providing healthcare?
>
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>
> Nothing like your lie above.
No lie above.
>> Later, when I said that insurance provides the valuable service ofrisk pooling, the looter Coburn cam back with:
>
>> That is not an explanation of how profit incentive in health
>> insurance systems provide a social plus as such profit incentives do in actual productive enterprises.
>
> Nothing like your lie.
No lie.
>> So, you're either a liar, blind, or just fucking stupid.
>
> And since this is the best you can manage
You're full of shit, and a complete and utter liar.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 18 2009 8:20 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
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TOPIC: "Promote the general welfare of the United States" - doesn't mean what
leftists think
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Date: Mon, Oct 19 2009 12:01 am
From: "Irving Layton"
"K" <Kvisions@live.con> wrote in message
news:H6-dnV8bj9V8rlPXnZ2dnUVZ_vBi4p2d@earthlink.com...
> The clause in Article I Section 8 does not mean to provide goods and
> services to people. It means to promote welfare - the interests - of the
> United States of America as a political entity - that is, as a nation.
Giving handouts to the poor is a good way for us to keep the status quo.
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