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TOPIC: Shortage of Doctors
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 16 2009 10:02 pm
From: The Real Bev

Samatha Hill -- take out TRASH to reply wrote:

> The Real Bev wrote:
>>
>> If all that is true I would think it was actionable and that large
>> medical practices who don't sue ought to. Maybe a class action suit
>> with other medical practices. No hungry lawyers to take a piece of the
>> action?
>
> That's a thought... but I am 100% positive the insurance companies have
> plenty of lawyers to ensure that they have loopholes to fall comfortably
> into.

In theory that's the stuff that judges are supposed to sort out. I believe
that lawyers need doctors more than doctors need lawyers.

> I was just trying to say that the insurance companies are not without
> fault, and the insurance that is run by the federal government is
> actually one of the biggest offenders. I know there are undoubtedly
> doctors out there who are just as bad.

I don't trust people who make money by NOT providing services :-(

--
Cheers, Bev
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin
is stupidity." -- H.S. Thompson

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 17 2009 12:42 am
From: "Rod Speed"

The Real Bev wrote
> Bob F wrote
>> The Real Bev wrote

>>> http://tinyurl.com/yefvczh
>>> (AP article from Washington Post)

>>> Didn't Bill Clinton offer bribes to medical schools to limit the number of students enrolling?

>> I have never heard that. So, did he?

> News item, and then nothing.

Which means it was only ever some journalist's lie.

> It doesn't sound unreasonable, does it?

Corse it does, they dont need to be bribed to do that.

> The AMA is just a high-class union, dedicated to enriching its members. Unions traditionally support the Democrats.

And the AMA never has.

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 17 2009 12:48 am
From: "Rod Speed"

The Real Bev wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> The Real Bev wrote

>>> http://tinyurl.com/yefvczh (AP article from Washington Post)

>>> Didn't Bill Clinton offer bribes to medical schools to limit the number of students enrolling?

>> Nope.

> You sure about that?

Yep, if it had ever happened, plenty would have howled about it.

>>> And doesn't a doctor shortage keep doctors' incomes higher than they would be if there were more competition?

>> Yes, but there is no doctor shortage.

>>> And doesn't that contribute to the high cost of medical care?

>> Nope, because there is no doctor shortage.

> It took me two months to get an appointment with my ophthalmologist, and then she had to cancel because the tech who
> does the field tests got sick. Another 1.5 months.

I walked in off the street and got seen straight away.

> My GP only took a month, but I had to go back because SOMEBODY lost my blood and pee.

My GP's practice has someone who can see you the same day.

> I got in to see the new orthopedist in 2 weeks, and he schedules surgery 3 weeks in advance. I got there 15 minutes
> early for my 9:30 appointment and I didn't actually see him until 10:30, although I did have an x-ray in the interim.

> A month is typical lead time for an appointmen,

Not here it aint.

> and a doc told me (in strict confidence, of course) that if the patient was out the door within an hour of the nominal
> appointment time it was regarded as "on time". I looked at a gastroenterologist's appointment book once -- he had 4
> patients scheduled for each 15 minutes.

My GP and cardiologist are nothing like that stupid/gouging.

> If there were more doctors they would neither have to do nor get away with shit like that.

There is no doctor shortage.

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 17 2009 4:08 am
From: George

The Real Bev wrote:
> Samatha Hill -- take out TRASH to reply wrote:
>
>> clams_casino wrote:
>> >
>> > Although I'm not aware of shortages in this area, I am aware that many
>> > will not take on new patients. Some just don't want to deal with
>> > medicare & select insurers.
>>
>> There are two sides to the story.
>>
>> I can tell you what the biller at the doctor's office I work at (a
>> specialty practice that gets patients by referral only, not a primary
>> care provider) says about Medicare -- if your claim is not 100%
>> technically accurate and 100% photogenically perfect (e.g., if your
>> printer doesn't print text totally within their OCR boxes), they
>> reject your claim out of hand and you are not allowed to correct it
>> and resubmit.
> ...etc.
>
> If all that is true I would think it was actionable and that large
> medical practices who don't sue ought to. Maybe a class action suit
> with other medical practices. No hungry lawyers to take a piece of the
> action?
>

Maybe but thats the very problem with mega organizations that folks seem
to love so much. They can definitely outgun most everyone. But so what
small is rotten and evil and mega huge with the tremendous power it
brings is a good thing. Just ask all of those huge mega bankers who
screwed so many folks and then had the politicians they own pick our
pockets to bail them out when things went bad for them.

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 17 2009 4:11 am
From: George

The Real Bev wrote:
> Samatha Hill -- take out TRASH to reply wrote:
>
>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>>
>>> If all that is true I would think it was actionable and that large
>>> medical practices who don't sue ought to. Maybe a class action suit
>>> with other medical practices. No hungry lawyers to take a piece of
>>> the action?
>>
>> That's a thought... but I am 100% positive the insurance companies
>> have plenty of lawyers to ensure that they have loopholes to fall
>> comfortably into.
>
> In theory that's the stuff that judges are supposed to sort out. I
> believe that lawyers need doctors more than doctors need lawyers.
>

It doesn't work that way. Big giant organizations own lots of
politicians. They pretty much get what they want. Just ask anyone who
has gone up against them. Cutsey little guy triumphs over super giant
mega corp (that everyone loves) is a once every ten year event.

>> I was just trying to say that the insurance companies are not without
>> fault, and the insurance that is run by the federal government is
>> actually one of the biggest offenders. I know there are undoubtedly
>> doctors out there who are just as bad.
>
> I don't trust people who make money by NOT providing services :-(
>

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 17 2009 5:16 pm
From: "Bob F"

The Real Bev wrote:
> Bob F wrote:
>
>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>> http://tinyurl.com/yefvczh
>>> (AP article from Washington Post)
>>>
>>> Didn't Bill Clinton offer bribes to medical schools to limit the
>>> number of students enrolling?
>>
>> I have never heard that. So, did he?
>
> News item, and then nothing. It doesn't sound unreasonable, does it?
> The AMA is just a high-class union, dedicated to enriching its
> members. Unions traditionally support the Democrats.

Is that the kind of documentation you normally accept as proof?

Yes, it does sound unreasonable. Sort of like a Fox "news" news item.

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 17 2009 5:18 pm
From: "Bob F"

The Real Bev wrote:
> Rod Speed wrote:
>
>> The Real Bev wrote
>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/yefvczh (AP article from Washington Post)
>>
>>> Didn't Bill Clinton offer bribes to medical schools to limit the
>>> number of students enrolling?
>>
>> Nope.
>
> You sure about that?
>
>>> And doesn't a doctor shortage keep doctors' incomes higher than
>>> they would be if there were more competition?
>>
>> Yes, but there is no doctor shortage.
>>
>>> And doesn't that contribute to the high cost of medical care?
>>
>> Nope, because there is no doctor shortage.
>
> It took me two months to get an appointment with my ophthalmologist,
> and then she had to cancel because the tech who does the field tests
> got sick. Another 1.5 months. My GP only took a month, but I had to go back
> because
> SOMEBODY lost my blood and pee. I got in to see the new orthopedist
> in 2 weeks, and he schedules surgery 3 weeks in advance. I got there
> 15 minutes early for my 9:30 appointment and I didn't actually see
> him until 10:30, although I did have an x-ray in the interim.
>
> A month is typical lead time for an appointmen, and a doc told me (in
> strict confidence, of course) that if the patient was out the door
> within an hour of the nominal appointment time it was regarded as "on
> time". I looked at a gastroenterologist's appointment book once --
> he had 4 patients scheduled for each 15 minutes.
>
> If there were more doctors they would neither have to do nor get away
> with shit like that.

Either you need to find some new doctors, or you live in a really bad place for
doctors.

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 17 2009 6:52 pm
From: The Real Bev

Bob F wrote:

> The Real Bev wrote:
>> Rod Speed wrote:
>>> The Real Bev wrote
>>>
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/yefvczh (AP article from Washington Post)
>>>
>>>> Didn't Bill Clinton offer bribes to medical schools to limit the
>>>> number of students enrolling?
>>>
>>> Nope.
>>
>> You sure about that?
>>
>>>> And doesn't a doctor shortage keep doctors' incomes higher than
>>>> they would be if there were more competition?
>>>
>>> Yes, but there is no doctor shortage.
>>>
>>>> And doesn't that contribute to the high cost of medical care?
>>>
>>> Nope, because there is no doctor shortage.
>>
>> It took me two months to get an appointment with my ophthalmologist,
>> and then she had to cancel because the tech who does the field tests
>> got sick. Another 1.5 months. My GP only took a month, but I had to go back
>> because
>> SOMEBODY lost my blood and pee. I got in to see the new orthopedist
>> in 2 weeks, and he schedules surgery 3 weeks in advance. I got there
>> 15 minutes early for my 9:30 appointment and I didn't actually see
>> him until 10:30, although I did have an x-ray in the interim.
>>
>> A month is typical lead time for an appointmen, and a doc told me (in
>> strict confidence, of course) that if the patient was out the door
>> within an hour of the nominal appointment time it was regarded as "on
>> time". I looked at a gastroenterologist's appointment book once --
>> he had 4 patients scheduled for each 15 minutes.
>>
>> If there were more doctors they would neither have to do nor get away
>> with shit like that.
>
> Either you need to find some new doctors, or you live in a really bad place for
> doctors.

This is my experience with my own doctors and the doctors of my mother and
mother-in-law -- between one and two dozen of them over a 10-year period. And
did I mention the parking situation? There is no on-street parking in the
"medical district" where all the doctors practice, and parking costs between $2
and $4/hour. So in addition to hanging out in the waiting room, we also pay
for the privilege of being sneezed on by strangers.

We live in Pasadena, CA. Thousands of doctors in all specialties. Within an
hour's drive of half a dozen major hospitals and at least three medical schools.

--
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 17 2009 10:06 am
From: Cindy Hamilton

On Nov 16, 11:56 pm, Les Cargill <lcargil...@comcast.net> wrote:

> He's actually pretty coherent today. I know Rod very well from sci.econ.

They must love him there.

Cindy Hamilton

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 17 2009 6:16 pm
From: Les Cargill

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Nov 16, 11:56 pm, Les Cargill <lcargil...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> He's actually pretty coherent today. I know Rod very well from sci.econ.
>
> They must love him there.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

You've no idea. I thought he was a 'bot for the longest time.

--
Les Cargill

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== 1 of 1 ==
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TOPIC: O.T? the Neo-Con try to con Iraq.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 17 2009 5:00 pm
From: VFW

Iraqi Lawmakers Question Oil-Development Deals

By GINA CHON

BAGHDAD‹A handful of lawmakers from the Iraqi parliament's oil and gas
committee on Sunday questioned the legality of petroleum-development
deals signed last week with BP PLC, Exxon Mobil Corp. and other big oil
companies.

The opposition isn't likely to derail the agreement, but it raises the
specter of fresh political uncertainty for foreign oil executives, who
have just recently warmed to the idea of investing in Iraq's vast but
undertapped oil fields. Last week, the Iraqi oil ministry signed initial
deals with consortia led by Exxon and Eni SpA, along with a final
agreement with a consortium headed by BP and China National Petroleum
Corp.

for the rest of this art. visit the Wall St. Journal;

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703808904574523491165534988
.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
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money; what a concept!
--
money; what a concept!

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TOPIC: America's Greatest Speaker, (51 seconds)
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 17 2009 7:00 pm
From: martin

On Nov 17, 7:48 pm, martin <martin.secrest...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUPK5UOO6pA
>
> Compare this to the drivel coming from Washington, DC!
>
> Martin

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TOPIC: I need you opinion; help me finish my dissertation
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 17 2009 7:13 pm
From: jean.jerry@verizon.net

If you could take 10 minutes from your busy schedule to complete my
survey it will help me finish my research. Your opinon and your
knowledge are important.

http://www.kwiksurveys.com/online-survey.php?surveyID=LNEDH_baa961d3

Many thanks in advance.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 17 2009 8:01 pm
From: "h"

<jean.jerry@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:d64a8c7f-3362-4320-9066-c7184a9d245d@r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> If you could take 10 minutes from your busy schedule to complete my
> survey it will help me finish my research. Your opinon and your
> knowledge are important.
>
Wow! A typo in the subject and another in the two-sentence body. Hope you
didn't pay much for your doctoral coursework. I seriously doubt your
dissertation defense will go well.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 17 2009 8:51 pm
From: "sr"

"clams_casino" <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote in message
news:pk_Lm.29141$X01.19851@newsfe07.iad...
> sr wrote:
>
>>---
>>I am not interested in housing codes, reason for unrestricted land. No
>>codes. Fee will, self responsibility. If it goes wrong, you have only
>>yourself to blame. That's how I live my life, which is getting more
>>difficult as society becomes more and more a "nanny state" putting
>>restrictions on its citizens.
>>
>>
> And pity the poor sucker who may eventually own your (dangerous) piece of
> crap.
>
> Thanks for an excellent example as to why building codes are a necessity.
>
> Of course, it's people like you who have made the need for so many laws of
> protection.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 17 2009 8:53 pm
From: "sr"

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