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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 17 2009 8:53 pm
From: "sr"

"clams_casino" <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote in message
news:pk_Lm.29141$X01.19851@newsfe07.iad...
> sr wrote:
>
>>---
>>I am not interested in housing codes, reason for unrestricted land. No
>>codes. Fee will, self responsibility. If it goes wrong, you have only
>>yourself to blame. That's how I live my life, which is getting more
>>difficult as society becomes more and more a "nanny state" putting
>>restrictions on its citizens.
>>
>>
> And pity the poor sucker who may eventually own your (dangerous) piece of
> crap.
>
> Thanks for an excellent example as to why building codes are a necessity.
>
> Of course, it's people like you who have made the need for so many laws of
> protection.
======You are welcom, house is remodeled and standing after all these years,
you are just jealous that someone
is selfsufficient , makes errors, learns from mistakes and takes it to the
next level.
Or, I could just whine and go on the state like the young fellow next door.

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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 18 2009 1:05 am
From: Samatha Hill -- take out TRASH to reply

The Real Bev wrote:
>
> I don't trust people who make money by NOT providing services :-(

No kidding!

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 18 2009 9:00 am
From: "Bob F"

The Real Bev wrote:
> Bob F wrote:
>
>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>> Rod Speed wrote:
>>>> The Real Bev wrote
>>>>
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/yefvczh (AP article from Washington Post)
>>>>
>>>>> Didn't Bill Clinton offer bribes to medical schools to limit the
>>>>> number of students enrolling?
>>>>
>>>> Nope.
>>>
>>> You sure about that?
>>>
>>>>> And doesn't a doctor shortage keep doctors' incomes higher than
>>>>> they would be if there were more competition?
>>>>
>>>> Yes, but there is no doctor shortage.
>>>>
>>>>> And doesn't that contribute to the high cost of medical care?
>>>>
>>>> Nope, because there is no doctor shortage.
>>>
>>> It took me two months to get an appointment with my ophthalmologist,
>>> and then she had to cancel because the tech who does the field tests
>>> got sick. Another 1.5 months. My GP only took a month, but I had
>>> to go back because
>>> SOMEBODY lost my blood and pee. I got in to see the new orthopedist
>>> in 2 weeks, and he schedules surgery 3 weeks in advance. I got
>>> there 15 minutes early for my 9:30 appointment and I didn't
>>> actually see him until 10:30, although I did have an x-ray in the interim.
>>>
>>> A month is typical lead time for an appointmen, and a doc told me
>>> (in strict confidence, of course) that if the patient was out the door
>>> within an hour of the nominal appointment time it was regarded as
>>> "on time". I looked at a gastroenterologist's appointment book once --
>>> he had 4 patients scheduled for each 15 minutes.
>>>
>>> If there were more doctors they would neither have to do nor get
>>> away with shit like that.
>>
>> Either you need to find some new doctors, or you live in a really
>> bad place for doctors.
>
> This is my experience with my own doctors and the doctors of my
> mother and mother-in-law -- between one and two dozen of them over a
> 10-year period. And did I mention the parking situation? There is
> no on-street parking in the "medical district" where all the doctors
> practice, and parking costs between $2 and $4/hour. So in addition
> to hanging out in the waiting room, we also pay for the privilege of
> being sneezed on by strangers.
> We live in Pasadena, CA. Thousands of doctors in all specialties. Within an
> hour's drive of half a dozen major hospitals and at least
> three medical schools.

I think I had a two week wait to get my eyes examined. I frequently can see my
GP within a day, sometimes the same day I call.

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 18 2009 10:14 am
From: Cindy Hamilton

On Nov 17, 9:52 pm, The Real Bev <bashley...@gmail.com> wrote:

> This is my experience with my own doctors and the doctors of my mother and
> mother-in-law -- between one and two dozen of them over a 10-year period. And
> did I mention the parking situation? There is no on-street parking in the
> "medical district" where all the doctors practice, and parking costs between $2
> and $4/hour. So in addition to hanging out in the waiting room, we also pay
> for the privilege of being sneezed on by strangers.

Pasadena makes its doctors practice in a ghetto? Doctors here are
free
to practice wherever they can rent or buy space. Sure, it can be
difficult to
park to patronize those who locate downtown, but there are plenty out
in
strip-mall land. Mine is in a little office park a stone's throw from
a freeway
exit, and a mile or two from my office (thus, five or six miles from
my house).
(And there's a coffee shop quite nearby, to tank up after those
fasting blood
draws.)

Wow, I knew Califonia is restrictive, but I had no idea it goes this
far.

> We live in Pasadena, CA. Thousands of doctors in all specialties. Within an
> hour's drive of half a dozen major hospitals and at least three medical schools.

Ann Arbor, Michigan. But I'd only go to the University of Michigan
hospital if I
was unconscious and in an ambulance. Otherwise, it's St. Joe's in
Ypsilanti,
which is probably quicker, anyway, from the places I usually hang out.

Cindy Hamilton

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 18 2009 11:56 am
From: "h"

"Cindy Hamilton" <angelicapaganelli@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:5ce5cd40-1bc6-486f-9850-9eadbda9c9d5@c3g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 17, 9:52 pm, The Real Bev <bashley...@gmail.com> wrote:

> This is my experience with my own doctors and the doctors of my mother and
> mother-in-law -- between one and two dozen of them over a 10-year period.
> And
> did I mention the parking situation? There is no on-street parking in the
> "medical district" where all the doctors practice, and parking costs
> between $2
> and $4/hour. So in addition to hanging out in the waiting room, we also
> pay
> for the privilege of being sneezed on by strangers.

Wow, I knew Califonia is restrictive, but I had no idea it goes this
far.

> We live in Pasadena, CA. Thousands of doctors in all specialties. Within
> an
> hour's drive of half a dozen major hospitals and at least three medical
> schools.

As someone who has neither health insurance nor a doctor (I was informed
that until I had a "complete physical with blood work" at the cost of
hundreds of $ I was "no longer considered a patient") I go to the local
"urgent care" office. They're open 20 hours a day and they share a practice
with the doctor who fired me as a patient, so at least my records are there.
Granted, I haven't seen any doctor in 10 years (haven't need one) but the
last time it was for a tick bite. I only needed the antibiotics, but I still
had to have at least 5 different doctors and 2 nurses look at the bite,
exclaim, "Wow, that sure is a classic target, must be a tick bite", before I
could get the prescription. The fact that I had actually been able to remove
the tick and had it in a baggie for them to look at didn't even seem to
register. "Umm, yeah, of COURSE it's a tick bite, here's the damn tick!
Where's my 'script?"

I didn't have to make an appointment (you can't, it's walk-in only), waited
about 20 minutes, then walked out with the prescription after paying $75.
The prescription cost another $25, so the whole thing was $100 plus about 25
minutes of wasted time by 5 doctors. What was the point of all that? We have
a seriously screwed up health care system. Anyone who had eyes could have
diagnosed my problem, and antibiotics aren't/shouldn't be that expensive.
What a total waste of time and money. My current plan is to never visit a
doctor ever again. I'm mid-50s, so it's looking pretty good!

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 18 2009 4:02 pm
From: Marsha

Bob F wrote:
> I think I had a two week wait to get my eyes examined. I frequently can see my
> GP within a day, sometimes the same day I call.
>

The time it takes me to get into my GP depends on what I tell them my
symptoms are when I call.

Marsha

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 18 2009 4:45 pm
From: The Real Bev

Marsha wrote:

> Bob F wrote:
>> I think I had a two week wait to get my eyes examined. I frequently can see my
>> GP within a day, sometimes the same day I call.
>>
> The time it takes me to get into my GP depends on what I tell them my
> symptoms are when I call.

Certainly. If I'm in pain they'll squeeze me in within a day or so, but I'd
just as soon not get a rep for ALWAYS being in pain.

--
Cheers, Bev
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
Nobody needs to speak on behalf of idiots, they manage
to speak entirely too much for themselves already.

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 18 2009 4:53 pm
From: The Real Bev

Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> On Nov 17, 9:52 pm, The Real Bev <bashley...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This is my experience with my own doctors and the doctors of my mother and
>> mother-in-law -- between one and two dozen of them over a 10-year period.
>> And did I mention the parking situation? There is no on-street parking in
>> the "medical district" where all the doctors practice, and parking costs
>> between $2 and $4/hour. So in addition to hanging out in the waiting
>> room, we also pay for the privilege of being sneezed on by strangers.
>
> Pasadena makes its doctors practice in a ghetto? Doctors here are free to
> practice wherever they can rent or buy space.

There are lovely new expensive medical hi-rises clustered near Huntington
Memorial Hospital. This is where most of the specialists practice. Others are
located in convenient free-parking locations, but a distinct minority, and
others are located in more distant medical buildings with expensive parking,
the most expensive of which is $6/hour. For that one I dropped my MIL off at
the front door and found free on-street parking -- limited to one hour, so I
had to jog back to move the car on perhaps half the visits.

> Sure, it can be difficult to
> park to patronize those who locate downtown, but there are plenty out in
> strip-mall land. Mine is in a little office park a stone's throw from a
> freeway exit, and a mile or two from my office (thus, five or six miles from
> my house). (And there's a coffee shop quite nearby, to tank up after those
> fasting blood draws.)

That's why I always get early-morning appointments, but I don't think it really
matters much.

> Wow, I knew Califonia is restrictive, but I had no idea it goes this far.
>
>> We live in Pasadena, CA. Thousands of doctors in all specialties. Within
>> an hour's drive of half a dozen major hospitals and at least three medical
>> schools.
>
> Ann Arbor, Michigan. But I'd only go to the University of Michigan hospital
> if I was unconscious and in an ambulance. Otherwise, it's St. Joe's in
> Ypsilanti, which is probably quicker, anyway, from the places I usually hang
> out.

Based on my experience with the friendly local hospital and local doctor that
killed my mom, I would ALWAYS go to the biggest teaching hospital if there were
any question about the diagnosis. Most especially do not go to a hospital in
the process of seeking out buyers.

And should cancer be a possibility, choose the City of Hope emergency room;
they can't kick you out, but they can prevent you from coming in if your case
doesn't look hopeful.

--
Cheers, Bev
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
Nobody needs to speak on behalf of idiots, they manage
to speak entirely too much for themselves already.

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 18 2009 5:24 pm
From: Marsha

The Real Bev wrote:
> Marsha wrote:
>> The time it takes me to get into my GP depends on what I tell them my
>> symptoms are when I call.
>
> Certainly. If I'm in pain they'll squeeze me in within a day or so, but
> I'd just as soon not get a rep for ALWAYS being in pain.
>

Me either. I was just pointing out that doctors are like hair stylists
- they have double scheduling books for <relative> emergencies.

Marsha

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== 1 of 1 ==
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TOPIC: Solar cells for less than 1 USD per Watt
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 18 2009 11:44 am
From: Sustainable Future

Do you know that you can find solar cells for less than 1 USD per Watt
on www.ebay.com ?

Regards.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 18 2009 1:24 pm
From: Al

On Nov 18, 2:44 pm, Sustainable Future
<sustainable.future...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Do you know that you can find solar cells for less than 1 USD per Watt
> onwww.ebay.com?
>
> Regards.

Interesting, and it sounds cheap, but the cost of a cell in only a
fraction of what one pays. You need storage devices, controllers,
inverters and backup. The payback just is not there in many cases for
the system. We don't get much sun here. The cells would under perform.
That 10¢/KWH still looks pretty good. We were getting power outages
all the time a few years ago. Now they replaced much aging equipment
and it's been trouble free for three years. I like the sun too. I just
can't afford to purchase the sun right now.

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TOPIC: Cookware
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 18 2009 5:45 pm
From: Marsha

We're looking for good quality cookware. Is Calphalon worth the price
or are you just paying for the name? Does a good set of cookware really
make a difference? We are not gourmet cooks. We just want skillets
that last more than a year or two. Thanks for the input.

Marsha

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 18 2009 5:55 pm
From: Vic Smith

On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:45:29 -0500, Marsha <mas@xeb.net> wrote:

>We're looking for good quality cookware. Is Calphalon worth the price
>or are you just paying for the name? Does a good set of cookware really
>make a difference? We are not gourmet cooks. We just want skillets
>that last more than a year or two. Thanks for the input.
>
As long as it's not too thin it doesn't make any difference.
Keeping it frugal, you can often get good quality cookware
second-hand. Wife's still using a skillet she bought for 4 bucks at a
used store 12 years ago. Teflon still in good shape.
She's a professional cook.
Another way to save is pick up pieces individually instead of sets.

--Vic

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