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TOPIC: Burning "wet" newspapers
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 13 2009 11:31 pm
From: "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"
In article
<7m6a64F3g02rpU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote
> > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
> >> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote
> >>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
> >>>> Malcom Mal Reynolds wrote
> >>>>> gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston) wrote
> >>>>>> rocket scientist <georgespamk@toast.net> wrote
>
> >>>>>>> I've noticed that newsprint that has been wetted ,
> >>>>>>> then dried, burns much better. Why is that?
>
> >>>>>>> I've asked Cecil and haven't heard yet.
>
> >>>>>> I don't know about the other response regarding it being drier
> >>>>>> afterwards,
>
> >>>> Its just plain silly.
>
> >>>>>> but I suspect part of it has to do with the structure of
> >>>>>> the paper being disrupted from swelling and then shrinking.
> >>>>>> That would increase the surface area, and produce lots of
> >>>>>> small, fine slivers sticking up instead of a smooth, dense surface.
>
> >>>>> That may be true,
>
> >>>> It is.
>
> >>> Really?
>
> >> Yep, try it yourself.
>
> > Try what?
>
> Jumping in front of a moving bus, stupid.
So when you get stepped on, you resort
to your worthless, puerile attempts at
boxing yourself out of a paper bag?
>
> >>>>> but you'd think that would happen in the paper making process
>
> >>>> Nope, that deliberately makes the surface smoother than otherwise.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 14 2009 10:25 am
From: "Rod Speed"
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Malcom Mal Reynolds wrote
>>>>>>> gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston) wrote
>>>>>>>> rocket scientist <georgespamk@toast.net> wrote
>>>>>>>>> I've noticed that newsprint that has been wetted ,
>>>>>>>>> then dried, burns much better. Why is that?
>>>>>>>>> I've asked Cecil and haven't heard yet.
>>>>>>>> I don't know about the other response regarding it being drier afterwards,
>>>>>> Its just plain silly.
>>>>>>>> but I suspect part of it has to do with the structure of
>>>>>>>> the paper being disrupted from swelling and then shrinking.
>>>>>>>> That would increase the surface area, and produce lots of
>>>>>>>> small, fine slivers sticking up instead of a smooth, dense surface.
>>>>>>> That may be true,
>>>>>> It is.
>>>>> Really?
>>>> Yep, try it yourself.
>>> Try what?
>> Jumping in front of a moving bus, stupid.
> So when you get stepped on,
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed liar fantasys...
>>>>>>> but you'd think that would happen in the paper making process
>>>>>> Nope, that deliberately makes the surface smoother than otherwise.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 14 2009 11:37 am
From: "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"
In article
<7m8b9oF3gjiofU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote
> > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
> >> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote
> >>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
> >>>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote
> >>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
> >>>>>> Malcom Mal Reynolds wrote
> >>>>>>> gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston) wrote
> >>>>>>>> rocket scientist <georgespamk@toast.net> wrote
>
> >>>>>>>>> I've noticed that newsprint that has been wetted ,
> >>>>>>>>> then dried, burns much better. Why is that?
>
> >>>>>>>>> I've asked Cecil and haven't heard yet.
>
> >>>>>>>> I don't know about the other response regarding it being drier
> >>>>>>>> afterwards,
>
> >>>>>> Its just plain silly.
>
> >>>>>>>> but I suspect part of it has to do with the structure of
> >>>>>>>> the paper being disrupted from swelling and then shrinking.
> >>>>>>>> That would increase the surface area, and produce lots of
> >>>>>>>> small, fine slivers sticking up instead of a smooth, dense surface.
>
> >>>>>>> That may be true,
>
> >>>>>> It is.
>
> >>>>> Really?
>
> >>>> Yep, try it yourself.
>
> >>> Try what?
>
> >> Jumping in front of a moving bus, stupid.
>
> > So when you get stepped on,
>
> Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed liar fantasys...
>
> >>>>>>> but you'd think that would happen in the paper making process
>
> >>>>>> Nope, that deliberately makes the surface smoother than otherwise.
Let's face it, you've lost your ability
to entertain, which in no way means you
aren't amusing
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 14 2009 7:15 am
From: Tony Sivori
Ohioguy wrote:
> We are buying a place that under the terms of the HUD inspection, has
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> look at it, and since we both grew up in places that had gravel
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> driveway, but it isn't allowed here.
>
> Although the HUD inspection estimated that this needs $1,500 worth of
> work, I believe that I should be able to get this driveway back in
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> on going out there with my Dewalt drill and wire brush to clear out the
> grass & small weeds that have taken root in some of the cracks,
> especially along the edges.
>
> Here's a photo:
> http://i38.tinypic.com/jktycy.jpg
>
> Neither my wife nor I like the dark black color that is used to seal
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> My searches online also have not been fruitful in this regard.
>
> Can anyone recommend a high quality resurfacer/sealer that we could
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--
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 14 2009 7:33 am
From: Ohioguy
>But that cost will be passed on in the price of goods.
Likely in the cost of goods we don't consume or buy. :-) Even if we
do end up buying or consuming them, I often get things at yard sales,
thrift stores, or when they have been marked down 40% or more at retail.
We try to keep our consumption of goods rather low, and as such, this
will help, not hurt us. If we consumed more than our fair share, it
might hurt us in the long run.
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 14 2009 8:16 am
From: Ohioguy
>At least socialized medicine BENEFITS EVERYONE, not just those who have kids.
As I explained before, the tax credit benefits families with kids in
the short run, and then those kids turn into taxpayers in the long run.
It is a short term investment, with a long term return on investment.
Sort of like how people put money down up front to start a business,
then get a return on their investment.
Also, socialized medicine does not benefit those who are healthy, and
would otherwise have no need to visit a doctor or take pills. It
typically benefits the very old, at the expense of the young.
> OhioGuy seems to have the mentality typical of the flyover states.
Wow, is that how you wackos (I don't like the term liberal - it seems
too dignified for the range of ideas you espouse) refer to most of the
US these days?
> the gubmint completely out of his life UNLESS it's shoving money into his
I want the government to perform basic duties. I would prefer that
they don't hand out money. However, in this case, we were already
buying a house that is going to be eligible, and I'm pretty well
convinced that we can make better use of it than some bureaucrats. They
would probably build a bridge to nowhere, or fund a scientific study
that everyone with some common sense already knows the answer to.
>But you're willing to suck at the teat of the govt for the tax credit?
Your inference would be correct, if this was a recurring thing such
as welfare, medicare, or social security. "sucking at the teat"
generally means making someone dependent upon regular "feedings".
However, I believe this program is a 1 time tax credit that is made
available to what is likely to be a rather small portion of the
population. I also don't think that the primary goals of welfare,
medicare or social security are to help stimulate the economy.
This is essentially a tax credit - similar in some ways to a
deduction. Of course, I would much prefer that we have a flat tax, or
ideally a "fair tax". Either one of those would get rid of deductions
and exemptions. Everyone would pay a fair share of taxes, depending on
their consumption. The overall "hidden" taxes we pay on everything
would disappear, and the economy would benefit like crazy.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 14 2009 10:44 am
From: "Rod Speed"
Ohioguy wrote
>> At least socialized medicine BENEFITS EVERYONE, not just those who have kids.
> As I explained before, the tax credit benefits families with kids in the short run, and then those kids turn into
> taxpayers in the long run.
Its very arguable whether indigenous kids are better value than immigrants as taxpayers.
> It is a short term investment, with a long term return on investment.
Not necessarily, particularly with the kids of welfare queens
etc. So many of them end up dependant on welfare too and
end up in jail, and are VERY expensive to keep in there.
> Sort of like how people put money down up front to start a business, then get a return on their investment.
Nothing like in fact.
> Also, socialized medicine does not benefit those who are healthy,
> and would otherwise have no need to visit a doctor or take pills.
Yes it does. It completely eliminates any possibility of being
bankrupted by a serious medical problem or accident etc
and eliminates any need to insure against those risks.
> It typically benefits the very old, at the expense of the young.
It also benefit those with kids, because they have substantial
health care costs. In spades with premature kids etc etc etc.
And the vast bulk of the young end up old eventually too.
>> OhioGuy seems to have the mentality typical of the flyover states.
> Wow, is that how you wackos (I don't like the term liberal - it seems too dignified for the range of ideas you
> espouse)
You and your ilk in spades.
> refer to most of the US these days?
>> the gubmint completely out of his life UNLESS it's shoving money into his pockets.
> I want the government to perform basic duties.
Doesnt matter what you want, there arent enough to want what you want to matter.
> I would prefer that they don't hand out money. However, in this case, we were already buying a house that is going to
> be eligible, and I'm pretty well convinced that we can make better use of it than some bureaucrats.
It never ends up in their pockets.
> They would probably build a bridge to nowhere,
Have fun listing all of those.
> or fund a scientific study that everyone with some common sense already knows the answer to.
Or fund the CDC which does nothing like that.
>> But you're willing to suck at the teat of the govt for the tax credit?
> Your inference would be correct, if this was a recurring thing such as welfare, medicare, or social security.
Its just as true of one offs.
> "sucking at the teat" generally means making someone dependent upon regular "feedings".
Nope, they can be irregular too.
> However, I believe this program is a 1 time tax credit that is made
> available to what is likely to be a rather small portion of the population.
Still sucking on the welfare teat.
> I also don't think that the primary goals of welfare, medicare or social security are to help stimulate the economy.
It obviously does that anyway.
> This is essentially a tax credit - similar in some ways to a deduction. Of course, I would much prefer that we have a
> flat tax, or ideally a "fair tax".
More fool you.
> Either one of those would get rid of deductions and exemptions.
Like hell the last one does. Have a look at the prebate sometime.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Tax#Monthly_tax_rebate
> Everyone would pay a fair share of taxes, depending on their consumption.
Another lie. Those on the lowest incomes would pay a grossly unfair share of taxes without the prebate.
> The overall "hidden" taxes we pay on everything would disappear,
Yes.
> and the economy would benefit like crazy.
Another pig ignorant lie.
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 14 2009 11:09 am
From: "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"
In article
<RKALm.24235$Wf2.15038@newsfe23.iad>,
Ohioguy <none@none.net> wrote:
> >At least socialized medicine BENEFITS EVERYONE, not just those who have kids.
>
> As I explained before, the tax credit benefits families with kids in
> the short run, and then those kids turn into taxpayers in the long run.
> It is a short term investment, with a long term return on investment.
> Sort of like how people put money down up front to start a business,
> then get a return on their investment.
>
> Also, socialized medicine does not benefit those who are healthy, and
> would otherwise have no need to visit a doctor or take pills. It
> typically benefits the very old, at the expense of the young.
So there is no need to vaccinate at risk
people because they would never spread
any disease or infection?
>
>
> > OhioGuy seems to have the mentality typical of the flyover states.
>
> Wow, is that how you wackos (I don't like the term liberal - it seems
> too dignified for the range of ideas you espouse) refer to most of the
> US these days?
>
>
> > the gubmint completely out of his life UNLESS it's shoving money into his
>
> I want the government to perform basic duties. I would prefer that
> they don't hand out money. However, in this case, we were already
> buying a house that is going to be eligible, and I'm pretty well
> convinced that we can make better use of it than some bureaucrats. They
> would probably build a bridge to nowhere, or fund a scientific study
> that everyone with some common sense already knows the answer to.
So you are an IMBYNY?*
>
>
> >But you're willing to suck at the teat of the govt for the tax credit?
>
> Your inference would be correct, if this was a recurring thing such
> as welfare, medicare, or social security. "sucking at the teat"
> generally means making someone dependent upon regular "feedings".
> However, I believe this program is a 1 time tax credit that is made
> available to what is likely to be a rather small portion of the
> population. I also don't think that the primary goals of welfare,
> medicare or social security are to help stimulate the economy.
>
> This is essentially a tax credit - similar in some ways to a
> deduction.
It is not "essentially" a tax credit, it
IS a tax credit and in no way similar to
a deduction. People who have no tax
liability, and that will include me,
will receive the full amount of the
credit as a nice check if they meet the
requirements, and for this one, it will
also include me. Almost makes me wish I
had bought a car for the credit.
Of course this credit is meant for first
time home buyers, which you aren't
> Of course, I would much prefer that we have a flat tax, or
> ideally a "fair tax".
Ah, a "fair tax"...who gets to decide
what that is?
> Either one of those would get rid of deductions
> and exemptions. Everyone would pay a fair share of taxes, depending on
> their consumption.
Which means it would be opposed by those
who have the most money and the most
power.
It would also mean a lowering of
consumption so the tax rate would
continue to spiral up while the
consumption continued to spiral down.
> The overall "hidden" taxes we pay on everything
> would disappear, and the economy would benefit like crazy.
Right. GM, Ford, GE, P&G etc would all
raise their prices to make up the
difference...they do have stockholders
that expect a nice return on their
investment
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 14 2009 8:13 am
From: Tony Sivori
sr wrote:
> http://www.thegreenestdollar.com/2009/02/want-to-live-in-a-shipping-container/
The good: I'd think that these would be a whole lot more sturdy than a
traditional mobile home.
The bad: Everything else! This essentially reinvents the mobile home. Sure
the shell is cheap and sturdy, but after that it is all economic
disadvantages.
To make a shipping container fit for human habitation you'd need interior
walls, insulation, flooring, plumbing, electrical, HVAC, lighting,
windows, doors, foundation, paint, cabinets, fixtures, and don't forget
the labor for all of the above.
I think it would be cheaper to buy a habitable but fixer upper house, or a
new or used mobile home.
It doesn't seem green, either. The shipping containers are almost 100%
steel, and so are highly recyclable. There doesn't seem much truly gained
by re-purposing them.
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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 14 2009 9:23 am
From: "sr"
"Tony Sivori" <TonySivori@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2009.11.14.16.13.30.683279@yahoo.com...
> sr wrote:
>
>> http://www.thegreenestdollar.com/2009/02/want-to-live-in-a-shipping-container/
>
> The good: I'd think that these would be a whole lot more sturdy than a
> traditional mobile home.
>
> The bad: Everything else! This essentially reinvents the mobile home. Sure
> the shell is cheap and sturdy, but after that it is all economic
> disadvantages.
>
> To make a shipping container fit for human habitation you'd need interior
> walls, insulation, flooring, plumbing, electrical, HVAC, lighting,
> windows, doors, foundation, paint, cabinets, fixtures, and don't forget
> the labor for all of the above.
>
> I think it would be cheaper to buy a habitable but fixer upper house, or a
> new or used mobile home.
>
> It doesn't seem green, either. The shipping containers are almost 100%
> steel, and so are highly recyclable. There doesn't seem much truly gained
> by re-purposing them.
>
>
> --
> Tony Sivori
> Due to spam, I'm filtering all Google Groups posters.
0000
I've done a lot of research. Need to look deeper. they are like legos you
can snap one to another,buy as you can accumulate money, good for those
starting out, More solid than trailors. You can spray foam the inside before
sheetrock, or you can use panels. I like this type of work, so no problem.
If you can find unrestricted land, that is. That's my problem, right now.
Good books on plumbing and wiring. In this state, after you are finished,
DIY, you need a master elec. to wire into the Master Elec. box, is all. You
can do this yourself. I did. Bought a 9th house, practiced on it, took
adult ed classes, learned elec. practiced it on the house. Only had to call
the firedepartment Once. Every once in awhile I drive by the place to see
if it's still standing, It is
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 14 2009 12:20 pm
From: Tony Sivori
sr wrote:
> I've done a lot of research. Need to look deeper. they are like legos
> you can snap one to another,buy as you can accumulate money, good for
> those starting out, More solid than trailors. You can spray foam the
> inside before sheetrock, or you can use panels. I like this type of
> work, so no problem.
Have you added things up? That's not a rhetorical question, I really would
like to see a list of how cheap you could go from shipping container to
habitable home.
It seems to me that it can't be done cheaper than acquiring an existing
structure and applying the materials and labor to a priced right piece of
real estate.
When you buy a container, to make it habitable, you would have to buy
*everything* but the exterior walls and a roof.
> If you can find unrestricted land, that is. That's my problem, right
> now.
I'm wondering why you want unrestricted land. You obviously have some
knowledge and practical experience. It should not be any trouble for you
to meet code. Every line in the building and electrical codes are there
because someone was killed, injured, or suffered damage to property.
The code protects the public. It isn't an arbitrary bureaucracy.
> Good books on plumbing and wiring. In this state, after you are
> finished, DIY, you need a master elec. to wire into the Master Elec.
> box, is all. You can do this yourself. I did. Bought a 9th house,
9th house? I've never heard of that, and Google didn't produce anything
relevant.
> practiced on it, took adult ed classes, learned elec. practiced it on
> the house. Only had to call the firedepartment Once.
Yikes!
> Every once in awhile I drive by the place to see if it's still standing,
> It is
Having skill and experience, and already having leaned from past
mistakes is a very valuable asset.
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 14 2009 8:49 am
From: Tony Sivori
sr wrote:
> "zeez" <blinkingblythe01@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:db1c55e0-f8c9-481c-922c-fdf72c593165@l2g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>> But..but this is capitalism! The system that can do no wrong! This
>> criticism is just more freedom hating commie talk. Those who refuse to
>> work while having swine flu must hate America!
> they can stay home, no pay, just like my working history.
It's not that simple. Wal-Mart has an "occurrence based" attendance
policy, similar to where I work. If you miss work due to illness, even
with a valid doctor's statement, you receive a point.
For my employer, one minute late or leaving one minute early equals one
half of a point. One day missed with doctor's statement equals one point.
Refusing mandatory overtime equals one point. Staying home with a sick
child equals one point. A point stays on your record for one year from the
day you get it. Seven points equals fired.
The Wal-Mart policy is not identical to my employer, but is very similar.
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== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 14 2009 10:43 am
From: krw
On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 11:49:34 -0500, Tony Sivori <TonySivori@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>sr wrote:
>
>> "zeez" <blinkingblythe01@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:db1c55e0-f8c9-481c-922c-fdf72c593165@l2g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>>> But..but this is capitalism! The system that can do no wrong! This
>>> criticism is just more freedom hating commie talk. Those who refuse to
>>> work while having swine flu must hate America!
>
>> they can stay home, no pay, just like my working history.
>
>It's not that simple. Wal-Mart has an "occurrence based" attendance
>policy, similar to where I work. If you miss work due to illness, even
>with a valid doctor's statement, you receive a point.
>
>For my employer, one minute late or leaving one minute early equals one
>half of a point. One day missed with doctor's statement equals one point.
>Refusing mandatory overtime equals one point. Staying home with a sick
>child equals one point. A point stays on your record for one year from the
>day you get it. Seven points equals fired.
If you don't like the policy, work somewhere else. It's spelled out
pretty plainly, evidently.
>The Wal-Mart policy is not identical to my employer, but is very similar.
It's likely that they have such policies because even management can't
be trusted to think.
== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 14 2009 11:51 am
From: Tony Sivori
krw wrote:
> Tony Sivori <TonySivori@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>For my employer, one minute late or leaving one minute early equals one
>>half of a point. One day missed with doctor's statement equals one
>>point. Refusing mandatory overtime equals one point. Staying home with a
>>sick child equals one point. A point stays on your record for one year
>>from the day you get it. Seven points equals fired.
>
> If you don't like the policy, work somewhere else. It's spelled out
> pretty plainly, evidently.
I'll make my own decisions about where I work, thank you.
You seem to have missed my point, mister corporate apologist. For the
Wal-Mart workers in question, it isn't as simple as "staying home with no
pay".
Sam Walton isn't the saint that his Billions helped him to buy in public
perception manipulation (what a Regular Guy, he wears plaid shirts!).
The real Sam Walton: When confronted with early minimum wage laws, in an
attempt to evade the wage law he broke each Wal-Mart into separate
businesses on paper that each were small enough to be exempt. When that
failed to fool the law, he wrote checks for back pay as required by law.
He delivered them with the message that any one who cashes his or her
check is fired.
Since his death, Wal-Mart has only become more unethical.
> It's likely that they have such policies because even management can't
> be trusted to think.
They have such policies because if anything might cost them a dollar they
are against it, no matter who suffers or how much.
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== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 14 2009 12:29 pm
From: Coffee's For Closers
In article <c294f36e-bbf6-4a46-b37f-
9b40a6fe6e5d@k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>, bigdog811@gmail.com
says...
> On Nov 12, 1:21=A0am, "fries...@zoocrewphoto.com"
> > It seems to me that Walmart's system is nicer than ours, and ours is
> > pretty reasonable. Most people do not sick more than a few days a
> > year. Anybody who has been her a year or more will easily have enough
> > sick leave to cover a week or more absence. Sure, we lose the first 2
> > days if we have been sick in the last 6 months or so. But that is
> > reasonable. The alternative is people calling in sick, pretending to
> > have the flu, just so that they can go to a party or have a free day
> > off.
> My wife works at a bank with a nearly identical sick leave policy.
> Additionally if someone, even with a full sick leave bank, calls in
> sick the work day before or after a paid holiday, they lose that
> holiday pay.
The implication there is that, the employee may be lying about
being sick, and just wants to extend the three-day weekend.
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== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 14 2009 12:32 pm
From: Coffee's For Closers
In article <20091113010318.2ae90e81.noway@nohow.never>,
noway@nohow.never says...
>
> > Same here. My employer has what's called combined time off. I'm
> > salaried, so this doesn't apply to me, but if someone calls in sick,
> > they have to use two CTO days (basically vacation days) before they
> > can use actual sick time. If you don't have any CTO, then you have
> > to take those 2 days unpaid. They also track your sick days. Too
> > many Mondays or Fridays and you get a couple points. Too many points
> > in a 12-month period and it goes on your record.
> So...how do you tell the Flu that it's not convenient to get sick on a
> Monday or Friday? -Dave
It isn't about getting sick on one Monday per year. It is about
doing it repeatedly. Which suggests that the employee's "sick"
claim relates to recovering from partying over the weekend,
and/or a general attitude problem.
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== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 14 2009 1:37 pm
From: Rick Merrill
Tony Sivori wrote:
> krw wrote:
>
>> Tony Sivori <TonySivori@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> For my employer, one minute late or leaving one minute early equals one
>>> half of a point. One day missed with doctor's statement equals one
>>> point. Refusing mandatory overtime equals one point. Staying home with a
>>> sick child equals one point. A point stays on your record for one year
>> >from the day you get it. Seven points equals fired.
>>
>> If you don't like the policy, work somewhere else. It's spelled out
>> pretty plainly, evidently.
>
> I'll make my own decisions about where I work, thank you.
>
> You seem to have missed my point, mister corporate apologist. For the
> Wal-Mart workers in question, it isn't as simple as "staying home with no
> pay".
>
> Sam Walton isn't the saint that his Billions helped him to buy in public
> perception manipulation (what a Regular Guy, he wears plaid shirts!).
>
> The real Sam Walton: When confronted with early minimum wage laws, in an
> attempt to evade the wage law he broke each Wal-Mart into separate
> businesses on paper that each were small enough to be exempt. When that
> failed to fool the law, he wrote checks for back pay as required by law.
> He delivered them with the message that any one who cashes his or her
> check is fired.
>
> Since his death, Wal-Mart has only become more unethical.
>
>> It's likely that they have such policies because even management can't
>> be trusted to think.
>
> They have such policies because if anything might cost them a dollar they
> are against it, no matter who suffers or how much.
Does Walmart apply the same policies and "points" to their executives as
they do to their line employees?
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