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TOPIC: Satellite Radio
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 27 2009 10:42 pm
From: "sr"
"clams_casino" <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote in message
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> Anyone familiar with satellite radio. I've been reading Sirius has a 50
> channel a la carte subscription for $7/mo. They appear to have two
> units (Starmate - 5 @ $130 and Stratus 6 @ $70) that can be used both at
> home and in the car with this a la carte subscription.
>
> Are they easy to hook up? Is the reception acceptable while driving (do
> trees, buildings, etc significantly interrupt the reception)? How
> difficult are they to switch between home and the car? Is an extra,
> special outdoor antenna needed for home use? Any feel for why one unit is
> twice the price of the other (what are the useful options)?
=====
I can only ans one question I have sirius for the home. I put the antenna
up, must be unobstructed.
I used a cheap radio about 7 dollar from Walmart as the receiver. I just
turn the Sat. reciever, sirius, in my case, just sit that near the antenna
of the radio, find the channel on the radio where the sound is transmitted.
It is the best thing I have in the house I like this better than the TV.
In fact I seldom turn the TV on except for some PBS programs in the evening.
Now, if you have a bunch of
money I would get it for the car and house. It is worth it for the old time
radio shows, alone. All kinds of music, all kinds of talk radio and sports.
you need an antenna for the car and seperate one for the house, the set up
is different. I never knew anything about the system, I had no problem at
all. There will be interruptions, you can handle it, I'm sure. 50 up
front to get service, 12 a month, cheap enough because it is my main
entertainment. or was, until i got the laptop Radio Shack can educate you,
or whatever business you like on further options, I'm sure
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 28 2009 2:23 am
From: clams_casino
sr wrote:
>"clams_casino" <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote in message
>news:YoYPm.20984$gd1.11628@newsfe05.iad...
>
>
>>Anyone familiar with satellite radio. I've been reading Sirius has a 50
>>channel a la carte subscription for $7/mo. They appear to have two
>>units (Starmate - 5 @ $130 and Stratus 6 @ $70) that can be used both at
>>home and in the car with this a la carte subscription.
>>
>>Are they easy to hook up? Is the reception acceptable while driving (do
>>trees, buildings, etc significantly interrupt the reception)? How
>>difficult are they to switch between home and the car? Is an extra,
>>special outdoor antenna needed for home use? Any feel for why one unit is
>>twice the price of the other (what are the useful options)?
>>
>>
>=====
>I can only ans one question I have sirius for the home. I put the antenna
>up, must be unobstructed.
>I used a cheap radio about 7 dollar from Walmart as the receiver. I just
>turn the Sat. reciever, sirius, in my case, just sit that near the antenna
>of the radio, find the channel on the radio where the sound is transmitted.
>It is the best thing I have in the house I like this better than the TV.
>In fact I seldom turn the TV on except for some PBS programs in the evening.
>
>
A few years back at another location, we had an option on our cable for
the music & as you pointed out, we used that much more than the TV (we
only took the very basic TV coverage since we had little interest in
sports, etc, but needed some cable due to very poor over-air reception.)
. We were recently at a friends home who has the extended HD network
with the cable music. It reminded us of how much we liked that option.
>Now, if you have a bunch of
>money I would get it for the car and house.
>
I'm hoping I can simply move the unit between docking stations for
driving trips & if I'm understanding it correctly, they have a 50
channel / a la carte option for just $7/mo. If so, for $100/yr, we'll
get much more out of it than we would the TV part of cable. If there is
a set-up charge, I can live with that. There are only about a dozen
stations of high interest for us, but it will be nice having it again..
>It is worth it for the old time
>radio shows, alone. All kinds of music, all kinds of talk radio and sports.
>you need an antenna for the car and seperate one for the house, the set up
>is different. I never knew anything about the system, I had no problem at
>all. There will be interruptions, you can handle it, I'm sure. 50 up
>front to get service, 12 a month, cheap enough because it is my main
>entertainment. or was, until i got the laptop Radio Shack can educate you,
>or whatever business you like on further options, I'm sure
>
>
>
>
Thanks for the comments.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 28 2009 8:55 am
From: KenK
clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote in news:YoYPm.20984
$gd1.11628@newsfe05.iad:
> Anyone familiar with satellite radio.
I've has XM for several years at home. I love it. Listen to classical and
jazz. But there's tons of other stuff available. I've not found good
world news so listen to NPR news on FM.
> I've been reading Sirius has a
> 50 channel a la carte subscription for $7/mo. They appear to have
> two units (Starmate - 5 @ $130 and Stratus 6 @ $70) that can be used
> both at home and in the car with this a la carte subscription.
>
> Are they easy to hook up? Is the reception acceptable while driving
> (do trees, buildings, etc significantly interrupt the reception)? How
> difficult are they to switch between home and the car? Is an extra,
> special outdoor antenna needed for home use?
I use the little antenna (an inch or so square) supplied with the radio.
I live in a mobile home and it sits next to an east-facing window. Works
just fine there.
> Any feel for why one unit
> is twice the price of the other (what are the useful options)?
--
"When you choose the lesser of two evils, always
remember that it is still an evil." - Max Lerner
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 28 2009 12:52 am
From: "Rod Speed"
Day Brown wrote
> But more to the point, is that it only makes sense to tax the people who actually HAVE THE FUCKING MONEY!
Any money is what matters.
> and that's the rich.
Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have
never ever had a fucking clue about anything at all, ever.
> Tax the lower classes and you drive down consumer demand even further,
Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have
never ever had a fucking clue about anything at all, ever.
> and move the economy even closer to a crash.
Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have
never ever had a fucking clue about anything at all, ever.
> Now, if the rich had taken their tax reduction and invested it in
> creating jobs in the USA, the unemployment rate would be lower,
It isnt feasible to get it lower than the 4.x% it bottomed at, fool.
> lower and middle class people would have more spending money,
Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have
never ever had a fucking clue about anything at all, ever.
Even say halving 4.x% makes fuck all difference to that, fuckwit.
> and profits in retail would increase.
Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have
never ever had a fucking clue about anything at all, ever.
Even say halving 4.x% makes fuck all difference to that, fuckwit.
> But they invested in making foreign jobs instead that put even more Americans on the welfare dole.
Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have
never ever had a fucking clue about anything at all, ever.
How odd that the unemployment rate bottomed at 4.x%
with an immense legal and illegal immigration rate.
> Which I gather you do not like.
> But if we raise taxes on the rich, the government would be able to lower the deficit,
Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have
never ever had a fucking clue about anything at all, ever.
Its so easy for the rich to avoid that tax, fuckwit.
> the value of the dollar would stabilize,
Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have
never ever had a fucking clue about anything at all, ever.
> and if the bureacrats spent the money, it would be spent in the USA,
Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have
never ever had a fucking clue about anything at all, ever.
> which creates profits for corporations in the USA.
Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have
never ever had a fucking clue about anything at all, ever.
> Is there a problem with creating more profits for American corporations?
Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have
never ever had a fucking clue about anything at all, ever.
== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 28 2009 10:12 am
From: Patriot Games
On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 16:19:39 -0500, clams_casino
<PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>Patriot Games wrote:
>>On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:15:30 -0500, clams_casino
>><PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>>Liars are exposed:
>>On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:29:48 -0500, clams_casino
>><PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>>>Patriot Games wrote:
>>>No, That's shear ignorance ON YOUR PART. The top 10% (>108k/yr) of the
>>>population pay about 50% of all Federal income taxes, based on having
>>>some 60% of all income.
>Amusing.
>Since you are obviously too challenged to do a simple search (as opposed
>to listening to Rush, Beck, etc), I'll try to keep this very simple:
>http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/22287.html
>"While the media spotlight shines on federal income taxes each April,
>many Americans may be surprised to learn that federal income taxes make
>up only 26 percent of the nation's total tax bill. The remaining 74
>percent—nearly three-fourths of the U.S. economy's total tax burden—is
>comprised of the other federal, state and local taxes paid by American
>households every year."
YOU SAID: [The bottom 50% paid 3% of income taxes...] "and essentially
all the payroll tax with a significantly higher share of
property, sales & excise taxes."
Your CITE SHOWS: The highest income group paid 23-cents per tax dollar
to Federal Payroll taxes and the lowest income group paid 21-cents per
tax dollar to Federal Payroll taxes.
YOU LIED.
YOU SAID: [The bottom 50% paid 3% of income taxes...] "and essentially
all the payroll tax with a significantly higher share of
property, sales & excise taxes."
Your CITE SHOWS: The Total State and Local Taxes Averaged is $9,400
per taxpayer, with the LOWEST FOUR income groups paying $28,666
COMBINED and the SINGLE highest income groupo paying $24,421.
YOU LIED.
== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 28 2009 10:27 am
From: Patriot Games
On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 21:55:19 -0600, Day Brown <dayhbrown@gmail.com>
wrote:
>Patriot Games wrote:
>> The richest 1% paid 39% of the income taxes, up from 37% in 2000.
>> The richest 5% paid 60% of the income taxes, up from 56% in 2000.
>> 39%+60%=99%
>Take accounting.
See my post to 'Rod Speed'....
>But more to the point, is that it only makes sense to tax the people who
>actually HAVE THE FUCKING MONEY! and that's the rich. Tax the lower
>classes and you drive down consumer demand even further, and move the
>economy even closer to a crash.
I agree that at some point, maybe $20k/yr., it costs more to tax them
than to ignore them.
>Now, if the rich had taken their tax reduction and invested it in
>creating jobs in the USA, the unemployment rate would be lower,
Its their money, its not your money, its their business what they do
with it, its NOT your business what they do with it.
Rich people are the source of venture capital in America. Venture
capital in America almost always finds its way to lending institutions
and then to the creation of small businesses which ARE THE PRIMARY
source of hiring in America.
Your premise is dead wrong.
>But they invested in making foreign jobs instead
>that put even more Americans on the welfare dole.
Wrong. So-Called rich people made no such investments. Corporations
did that.
>Which I gather you do not like.
We should have invested in Mexico instead of China.
And its by no means too late to correct that mistake.
>But if we raise taxes on the rich, the government would be able to lower
>the deficit,
Wrong. If you raise taxes on the rich they will take their money and
leave.
Wrong. If you raise taxes on anybody you have NO GUARANTEE the gov't
will pay down our debt.
IN FACT - the Gov't is currently 100% preoccupied with raising taxes
to give Criminal Beaners free citizenship and free Buckwheatcare.
>the value of the dollar would stabilize,
Which has nothing to do with taxes.
>and if the
>bureacrats spent the money, it would be spent in the USA,
Wrong, you have NO GUARANTEE they would do that.
>which creates profits for corporations in the USA.
Wrong. So far the majority of Porkulus money spent has gone to state
gov't jobs and temporary jobs, BOTH OF WHICH won't last.
>Is there a problem with creating
>more profits for American corporations?
Yes, the problem is it can't be done by gov't. ONLY American
consumers and American corporationn can get that done and they can't
get it done with Gov't shoving its hand up their ass looking for more
taxes every week.
== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 28 2009 10:29 am
From: Patriot Games
On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 16:22:23 -0500, clams_casino
<PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>Patriot Games wrote:
>>On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:31:11 -0500, clams_casino
>><PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>>>Patriot Games wrote:
>>>>And as YOU can see it works and the LIAR "clams_casino" was CAUGHT
>>>>LYING, repeatedly...
>>>Your ignorance is beyond belief.
>>You LIED.
>>Learned to love your LIES.
>>They will follow you forever.
>>On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:29:48 -0500, clams_casino
>><PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>>>Since you are obviously too challenged to do a simple search (as opposed
>>>to listening to Rush, Beck, etc), I'll try to keep this very simple:
>>>http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/22287.html
>>>"While the media spotlight shines on federal income taxes each April,
>>>many Americans may be surprised to learn that federal income taxes make
>>>up only 26 percent of the nation's total tax bill. The remaining 74
>>>percent—nearly three-fourths of the U.S. economy's total tax burden—is
>>>comprised of the other federal, state and local taxes paid by American
>>>households every year."
>>YOU SAID: [The bottom 50% paid 3% of income taxes...] "and essentially
>>all the payroll tax with a significantly higher share of property,
>>sales & excise taxes."
>>Your CITE SHOWS: The highest income group paid 23-cents per tax dollar
>>to Federal Payroll taxes and the lowest income group paid 21-cents per
>>tax dollar to Federal Payroll taxes.
>You really need to retake that 4th-grade math class. Hint - Without
>knowing the average earnings for each group, it's impossible to know was
>percentage of their income was paid in income taxes.
Your CITE PROVES YOU LIED.
>>YOU LIED.
>>YOU SAID: [The bottom 50% paid 3% of income taxes...] "and essentially
>>all the payroll tax with a significantly higher share of property,
>>sales & excise taxes."
>>Your CITE SHOWS: The Total State and Local Taxes Averaged is $9,400
>>per taxpayer, with the LOWEST FOUR income groups paying $28,666
>>COMBINED and the SINGLE highest income groupo paying $24,421.
>>YOU LIED.
>Are really that stupid?
Your CITE PROVES YOU LIED.
Learn to love your lies.
They will follow you forever.
== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 28 2009 10:31 am
From: Patriot Games
On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 20:41:40 -0600, Vic Smith
<thismailautodeleted@comcast.net> wrote:
>On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:43:40 -0500, Patriot Games
><Patriot@America.Com> wrote:
>>YOU LIED.
>This is rich.
>One political junkie calling another a liar.
>Just what the pols like.
>Get all the sheep baa-ing so loud that nobody can hear common sense.
So you approve of liars and lying?
Noted.
== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 28 2009 10:32 am
From: Patriot Games
On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 16:21:34 -0500, Poetic Justice
<PoeticJustice@talk-n-dog...com> wrote:
>Patriot Games wrote:
>> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:39:05 -0500, clams_casino
>> <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>>> Patriot Games wrote:
>>>> Do the rich get food stamps? No.
>>> The first valid statement in all your claims. However, many do enjoy
>>> extensive government subsidized meals & entertainment via "business"
>>> expenses.
>> Which has NOTHING to do with rich or poor. Legal buusiness expenses
>> are legal and valid tax deductions FOR ANYONE claiming them.
>Which is why people will be buying roof repairs and what ever, to keep
>from having profits for Obama to tax away. Might as well waste it on
>fixing things up as to letting the government waste it.
Exactly right.
== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 28 2009 10:35 am
From: Patriot Games
On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 16:26:12 -0500, clams_casino
<PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>Patriot Games wrote:
>>On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:39:05 -0500, clams_casino
>><PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>>>Patriot Games wrote:
>>>>Do the rich get food stamps? No.
>>>The first valid statement in all your claims. However, many do enjoy
>>>extensive government subsidized meals & entertainment via "business"
>>>expenses.
>>Which has NOTHING to do with rich or poor. Legal buusiness expenses
>>are legal and valid tax deductions FOR ANYONE claiming them.
>I hope you are just making a feeble attempt at trolling. I can't
>believe any one could be this dense.
YOU were CAUGHT and EXPOSED for LYING.
ALL you have left is acting like the monkey in the zoo cage throwing
feces at the passersby.
I have EXPOSED YOU as a LIAR.
I have NOW EXPOSED YOU as the Monkey In The Cage who offers NOTHING.
>>>How do you think places like Mortons of Chicago, The Pal,
>>>etc exist? Do you really believe the wealthy are buying $5k - $50k
>>>(and up) seats at sporting events out of their own pocket?
>>Feel free to prove they don't.
>>>>Do the rich get Medicaid? No.
>>>Actually, many get upwards of $20k+ in tax free medical benefits.
>>No cite = Probable LIE.
>>>>Do the rich get Welfare? No.
>>>What do you call the vast housing subsidies they enjoy with respect to
>>>subsidized mortgage interest and property taxes?
>>No cite = Probable LIE.
>>Here's a hint: COMPOUNDING your LIES only ADDS TO the Google Archive
>>that I will post and report FOREVER thus destroying your credibility
>>in this Newsgroup FOREVER.
>Considering you have zero credibility....................
Hahahahahahahahah!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
In case you're counting YOU DUCKED TWO LACK OF CITES above....
Who has NO credibility?
Bwahahahahahahahahah!!!
Learn to love you BEATING.
Ii will follow you forever.
== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 28 2009 10:42 am
From: Patriot Games
On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:42:05 -0500, no_one@void.nul wrote:
>On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 15:11:33 -0500, Patriot Games
><Patriot@America.Com> wrote:
>>On 25 Nov 2009 19:55:22 GMT, Michael Coburn <mikcob@verizon.net>
>>wrote:
>>>On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 10:20:34 -0500, Patriot Games wrote:
>>>> On 24 Nov 2009 22:31:09 GMT, Michael Coburn <mikcob@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 11:16:41 -0500, Patriot Games wrote:
>>>>>> On 23 Nov 2009 20:08:53 GMT, Michael Coburn <mikcob@verizon.net>
>>>>>> wrote: Liars are exposed:
>>>>>> On 8 Nov 2009 21:15:59 GMT, Michael Coburn <mikcob@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>Yet wages have stayed flat or diminished since the mid 70's.
>>>>>> Wrong. YOU HAVE BEEN CAUGHT LYING, again: National average wage
>>>>>> indexing series 1980 12,513.46 1981 13,773.10
>>>>>> 1982 14,531.34
>>>>>> 1983 15,239.24
>>>>>> 1984 16,135.07
>>>>>> 1985 16,822.51
>>>>>> 1986 17,321.82
>>>>>> 1987 18,426.51
>>>>>> 1988 19,334.04
>>>>>> 1989 20,099.55
>>>>>> 1990 21,027.98
>>>>>> 1991 21,811.60
>>>>>> 1992 22,935.42
>>>>>> 1993 23,132.67
>>>>>> 1994 23,753.53
>>>>>> 1995 24,705.66
>>>>>> 1996 25,913.90
>>>>>> 1997 27,426.00
>>>>>> 1998 28,861.44
>>>>>> 1999 30,469.84
>>>>>> 2000 32,154.82
>>>>>> 2001 32,921.92
>>>>>> 2002 33,252.09
>>>>>> 2003 34,064.95
>>>>>> 2004 35,648.55
>>>>>> 2005 36,952.94
>>>>>> 2006 38,651.41
>>>>>> 2007 40,405.48
>>>>>> 2008 41,334.97
>>>>>> http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/COLA/AWI.html
>>>>>I give you the nice graph of actual wages as adjusted...
>>>> Adjusted?
>>>> Your attempt to Change the Subject has FAILED.
>>>>>I give you the nice graph of actual wages as adjusted by the CPI found
>>>>>at
>>>>>http://illusionofprosperity.blogspot.com/2007/12/historical-real-hourly-
>>>>>wages.html
>>>>>The data source for the graph is the Fed cited right there on the page.
>>>> Wrong. We already covered this.
>>>> The "source" is an INVALID comparison of "Average Hourly Earnings: Total
>>>> Private Industries" AND "Consumer Price Index For All Urban Consumers:
>>>> All Items."
>>>> YOU SAID: "Yet wages have stayed flat or diminished since the mid 70's."
>>>> YOU LIED.
>>>> Case closed.
>>>The actual SOURCE of the _wage_ numbers is the BLS.
>>>HOWEVER!!
>>>Using _NOMINAL_ _SALARIES_ _IS_ a lie. It has always been a lie and
>>>always will be a lie.
>>Your attempt to change the subject has FAILED.
>>YOU SAID: "wages have stayed flat or diminished since the mid 70's."
>>YOU LIED.
>>>A _SALARY_ of $16,822 in 1985 would be a _SALARY_
>>>of $33,660 in 2008 money adjusted to inflation.
>>You FAILED to CITE your Source.
>>The COMMON Source is the CPI Inflation Calculator at:
>>http://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm
>>$16,822 in 1985 would have the SAME buying power as $33,660 in 2008.
>>Yet the 2008 number is $41,334.97 representing a 22.80% INCREASE.
>>YOU SAID: "wages have stayed flat or diminished since the mid 70's."
>>YOU LIED.
>>>A yearly gain of less than 1% per year
>>Wrong.
>>$16,822 compounded 1% over 22 years is just over $20,000 but the
>>ACTUAL average wage is $33,660.
>>YOU SAID: "wages have stayed flat or diminished since the mid 70's."
>>YOU LIED.
>In 1964 I bought a 12 oz brand name beer for $.75. What does a brand
>name beer cost today.
Does it cost $5.15?
No.
$0.75 in 1964 is $5.15 in 2008 based in inflation.
http://www.westegg.com/inflation/infl.cgi
>I don't know as I quite beer long ago!
Apparently you switched to the hard stuff...
>Inflation took hold in this Country in 1966 or 67.
Inflation comes and goes.
Our gov't will be introducing us to inflation again in a couple of
years so we can reduce the value of our debt to China...
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TOPIC: The back lash begins P T Barnum would be jealous of this Hoax
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 28 2009 12:54 am
From: "Rod Speed"
sr wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> sr wrote
>> Pity its a lie. Just because its in some shit rag doesnt make it
>> gospel. ---------- Global Warming is often called a hoax. I disagree
>> because a hoax has a humorous intent to puncture pomposity. In
>> science, such as with the Piltdown Man hoax, it was done to expose
>> those with fervent but blind belief. The argument that global
>> warming is due to humans, known as the anthropogenic global warming
>> theory (AGW) is a (deliberate fraud). I can now
>> make that statement without fear of contradiction because of a
>> remarkable hacking of files that provided not just a smoking gun,
>> but an entire battery ofmachine guns.
> Someone hacked in to the files of the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) based at the University of East Anglia.
You dont know that that is how it got out.
> A very large file (61 mb) was downloaded and posted to the web. Phil Jones Director of the CRU has acknowledged the
> files are theirs.
> http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/17102
Irrelevant to what was discussed in the cite at the top.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 28 2009 7:12 am
From: Balvenieman
gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston) wrote:
>Wonder what all the lib media is going to do when they finally realize just how badly
>they've been deceived by these frauds...
Nothing; you know that. They'll minimalize and rationalize because
they share the same goals as the world-changers: Destruction of the
carbon fuel based economy in order to force a transition to so-called
"green" economy regardless of economic or societal damage. Remember that
the nobility of the end justifies any means.
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TOPIC: Some silly liar : oh yea?
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 28 2009 12:56 am
From: "Rod Speed"
sr wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> sr wrote
>>> Climategate: five Aussie MPs lead the way by resigning in disgust over carbon tax
>> No they didnt, you pig ignorant clown.
> http://www.friendsofscience.org/
> SIX THINGS EVERYONE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE:
> 1. The earth is cooling. Click here.
> 2. The Sun causes climate change. Click here.
> 3. Al Gore was wrong about C02. Click here.
> 4. Violent weather isn't getting worse. Click here. Where are all
> those Hurricanes? Hardly a one this year in the USA
> 5. It's been hotter. Click here.
> 6. Climate computer models are proven wrong. Click here.
> This debate matters! The science matters.
Irrelevant to that stupid lie you originally posted.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 28 2009 12:58 am
From: "Rod Speed"
sr wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> sr wrote
>>> Climategate: five Aussie MPs lead the way by resigning in disgust over carbon tax
>> No they didnt, you pig ignorant clown.
> MyFreePress : Article : Al Gore Flees in Panic from Chicago Book
> Signing: http://bit.ly/67s3Hb #climategate #gore #wimp
> the crowd was right after him, they took off in the car and the crowd
> was pounding on the car as they drove off.
> I would pay to see that on the news LOL
Irrelevant to that stupid lie you posted.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 28 2009 12:59 am
From: "Rod Speed"
Irrelevant to that stupid lie you posted.
sr wrote:
> "sr" <solos42@uninets.net> wrote in message
> news:3b1d3$4b10b5e1$ccb58410$28900@ispn.net...
>>
>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:7nb6okF3km8arU1@mid.individual.net...
> ==========
> GlobalWarmHoax
>
> WSJ.com - Opinion: Rigging a Climate 'Consensus' http://bit.ly/8rmNYE
> -----------
>>>> Climategate: five Aussie MPs lead the way by resigning in disgust
>>>> over carbon tax
>>>
>>> No they didnt, you pig ignorant clown.
>> http://www.friendsofscience.org/
>>
>> SIX THINGS EVERYONE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE:
>> 1. The earth is cooling. Click here.
>> 2. The Sun causes climate change. Click here.
>> 3. Al Gore was wrong about C02. Click here.
>> 4. Violent weather isn't getting worse. Click here. Where are all
>> those Hurricanes? Hardly a one this year in the USA
>> 5. It's been hotter. Click here.
>> 6. Climate computer models are proven wrong. Click here.
>>
>> This debate matters! The science matters.
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TOPIC: replacing a muffler on 1994 Dodge Caravan
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/65e53be756dab1c9?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 28 2009 6:14 am
From: Ohioguy
I drove to a local place that used to only sell auto parts wholesale
to retailers. Got a decent muffler, mount and clamps for a grand total
of $55, including tax. The place is only 2 miles from here, and I've
put the receipt in the box.
If we have trouble getting the old muffler off or anything like that,
I'll just take this back for a refund. Muffler Brothers down the street
quoted me $118 with tax if "all we need to do is the muffler". I'll
take that with a grain of salt, and figure they would have added on
another $20, so I'll say $138. However, I just got a coupon for $15 off
$100 at Muffler Brothers, so I'll just say the job should cost me $123
or less if I need to go that route.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 28 2009 10:35 am
From: Bc112
On Nov 26, 10:07 am, Ohioguy <n...@none.net> wrote:
> I have 2 options now:
>
> 1- muffler brothers - probably about $160
>
> 2 - my neighbor, who works on brakes, mufflers and such, says he will be
> home with his kids this weekend, and they would enjoy working on
> something like this. He has an air chisel, and various other tools that
> could be needed, depending on how easy things come apart. I think my
> son would also enjoy working on something like this, so it would be a
> learning/fun project for several of us. I checked locally, and I can
> get a muffler for $50-$60. Then I could give my neighbor $50 for the
> trouble, and buy a couple of pizzas for everybody, and STILL end up
> saving about 50 bucks. I'm sort of tempted to go this second route.
Your third option would be to drive it off a cliff.
Make sure your computer is also in the van when you do.
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TOPIC: Make Money From Home - How to Deal With Distractions
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 28 2009 6:48 am
From: Super Income
Life is full of distractions, interruptions, unexpected challenges and
needs. With the arrival of the cell phone, these distractions have
tripled. Nowadays you are constantly reachable unless you take
definite steps to control your phone and your time
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 28 2009 7:29 am
From: clams_casino
Super Income wrote:
>Life is full of distractions, interruptions, unexpected challenges and
>needs. With the arrival of the cell phone, these distractions have
>tripled. Nowadays you are constantly reachable unless you take
>definite steps to control your phone and your time
>
>
Actually, I only have my cell phone on for about 5-6 hrs / day (at most)
and never at night, while I'm driving, running errands, etc.
Since I dumped my land line, phone calls have been a very minor
concern. I've never had a phone call that required my immediate
attention (on that couldn't be returned at a later time).
I'll never understand the obsession to answer every call at the first
ring. Along that line, it's kind of amusing to see / hear people
taking on their cell phones in rest rooms.
A few months back we saw a couple having dinner out where both were on
their phones waiting for it to be served. My wife & I were convinced
they were talking to each other.
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TOPIC: Nike dunk high shoes wholesale\retail
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TOPIC: Black Friday Deals: Buy the Right PC, Not the Cheapest
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 28 2009 1:53 am
From: frater mus
Ablang wrote:
> careful look at exactly what it is that you're buying. I've seen
> several netbooks deals that sound great... until I looked closer and
> saw that they require pricey, two-year mobile phone contracts on top
> of the up-front price.
My Eee 900 netbook has become the only PC I've ever loved. Took about 2
hours to get used to the keyboard.
> Still, any netbook you can find will run desktop Linux successfully,
I think folks should consider Linux for the desktop, not just netbooks.
My tech-allergic wife has been running Linux on her workstation at home
for the past three years.
> so if you're heart is set on Linux, shop around. Even the most minimal-
> equipped network will still do well with Linux running on it.
A couple of points:
* physical media - having the windows cd/dvd available may be helpful if
you are considering pulling off windows and upgrading to linux. That
way you can reinstall
or provide the media if you ever want to see the box.
* livecd/liveusb - you can boot most of the linux distros off CD or off
USB (using unetbootin
for the later) to see if you like it an if it likes your hardware. No
harm, no foul.
* there are linux variants that may be better for netbooks.
The most famous is Ubuntu Netbook Remix. http://www.tinyurl.com/linuxnbr
SSD (ie, flash drives, not hard drives) may benefit from variants that
run in RAM and write
to the drive only periodically. they also tend to be very small
footprint OSes. You can effectively carry your computer in on your usb
keychain and boot it whereever.
DSL-N, 100MB.
Puppy linux, 100MB.
DSL, 50MB.
Tiny Core Linux is only 10MB (!) but is not suitable for beginners.
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TOPIC: does taking from recycling container = stealing?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 28 2009 10:38 am
From: Coffee's For Closers
In article <eBSPm.37055$ky1.36303@newsfe14.iad>, none@none.net
says...
> I was out banging on the exhaust pipe of our van, testing to make
> sure the pipe was in good shape, when I saw a guy stop by our trash cans
> and city recycling containers. He took an old blender out of our trash
> (I had already removed the copper wire windings), and also took some
> items from our recycling containers. I'm not worried about the trash -
> I've always felt that as long as people aren't taking any personal
> papers, they are welcome to anything else - especially since they have
> to brave loads of dirty diapers in our dumpsters.
>
> However, the recycling containers are a different story. My
> understanding is that the city gets some $$ from the aluminum, etc.,
> which are put in there, and that $$ helps keep our cost for waste
> collection from going up. If these guys are going around and taking the
> aluminum out of the recycling containers, doesn't that take $$ away from
> the city, and ultimately make us pay higher rates?
Yes, taking from official city recycling containers may be
designated as theft of city property.
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