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* Air bed leak - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/9d48042b297850df?hl=en
* Gore can't take the HEAT - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/3011896453635850?hl=en
* Various products including children's clothing recently recalled - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/9ca71efb50b97cf2?hl=en
* The healthcare bill is SO bad - 3 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/184b71b3f6f3da1f?hl=en
* $6 for the Sunday New York Times? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/a4831eba695d549c?hl=en
* Krackpot Ray Keller gets caught in his lies, public records tell the tale -
1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/df30389fcba1b11e?hl=en
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TOPIC: Air bed leak
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/9d48042b297850df?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 4 2009 3:45 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Lou wrote:
> "Marsha" <mas@xeb.net> wrote in message
> news:hf9mf5$c3q$1@news.datemas.de...
>> Gary Heston wrote:
>>> In article <hf70ih$u33$1@news.datemas.de>, Marsha <mas@bex.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>> My air bed mattress is leaking. Thought it was the box with the
>>>> motor assembly part, but tried a new one and it still leaks. So
>>>> it must be the air chamber itself. I know how to find the leak on
>>>> the air chamber, but what would I use to patch it?
>>>
>>> Is this a vinyl bladder type mattress? If so, a pool patch kit would
>>> probably work.
>>>
>>>
>>> Gary
>>>
>>
>> Yes. Your suggestion sounds reasonable.
>>
> I'd have my doubts - pool patches go on the inside of the pool, and
> the pressure of the water helps hold the patch, so the patch works
> with the pressure. Presumably you'll be putting the patch on the
> outside of the air mattress, where the patch will have to work
> against the air pressure.
>
> A bicycle tube patch might be a better choice, since these patches
> have to hold against the air pressure, but I don't know if a patch
> designed for a rubber tube (are they still rubber? for that matter,
> do bicycle tires still have tubes?) will adhere to vinyl
And bicycle tube partches are forced against the inside of tire by the air pressure too.
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TOPIC: Gore can't take the HEAT
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/3011896453635850?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 4 2009 4:05 pm
From: jeff
Zee wrote:
> On Dec 4, 7:01 am, "sr" <solo...@uninets.net> wrote:
>> foxnews
>>
>> POLITICS: Al Gore Cancels Climate Lecture in Copenhagenhttp://bit.ly/6ViAti
>
> He's human after all.
And he wasn't wrong.
Here is the temp chart from Dr Roy Spencer, Limbaugh's expert:
http://www.drroyspencer.com/latest-global-temperatures/
Note the distinct upward trend.
Also note that whenever climate change skeptics say that the earth
is cooling, they use the reference point of as the '98 El Nino
temperature spike.
A careful read and you will find that Dr Roy acknowledges that if there
are no negative feedbacks (which there is no real evidence of) but a
positive feedback (which there is evidence of):
Negative feedbacks (low climate sensitivity) would mean that manmade
global warming might not even be measurable, lost in the noise of
natural climate variability. But if feedbacks are sufficiently positive
(high climate sensitivity), then manmade global warming could be
catastrophic.
The best Dr Roy can say is that there are doubts, but if you read his
evidence, it's a point for fear of climate change, indeed much worse
than Al Gore has said.
http://www.drroyspencer.com/library/pics/PDO-and-20th-Century-warming-Fig03.jpg
Jeff
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 4 2009 9:52 pm
From: "sr"
"jeff" <jeff_thies@att.net> wrote in message
news:hfc857$gtd$1@news.albasani.net...
> Zee wrote:
>> On Dec 4, 7:01 am, "sr" <solo...@uninets.net> wrote:
>>> foxnews
>>>
>>> POLITICS: Al Gore Cancels Climate Lecture in
>>> Copenhagenhttp://bit.ly/6ViAti
>>
>> He's human after all.
>
>
> And he wasn't wrong.
>
> Here is the temp chart from Dr Roy Spencer, Limbaugh's expert:
>
> http://www.drroyspencer.com/latest-global-temperatures/
>
> Note the distinct upward trend.
>
> Also note that whenever climate change skeptics say that the earth is
> cooling, they use the reference point of as the '98 El Nino temperature
> spike.
>
> A careful read and you will find that Dr Roy acknowledges that if there
> are no negative feedbacks (which there is no real evidence of) but a
> positive feedback (which there is evidence of):
>
> Negative feedbacks (low climate sensitivity) would mean that manmade
> global warming might not even be measurable, lost in the noise of natural
> climate variability. But if feedbacks are sufficiently positive (high
> climate sensitivity), then manmade global warming could be catastrophic.
>
> The best Dr Roy can say is that there are doubts, but if you read his
> evidence, it's a point for fear of climate change, indeed much worse than
> Al Gore has said.
>
> http://www.drroyspencer.com/library/pics/PDO-and-20th-Century-warming-Fig03.jpg
>
> Jeff
Cretaceous Period
144-65 million years ago The continents-while not in their current
positions on the Earth-are shaped much as they are today. South America and
Africa separate, and the Atlantic ocean widens. A circum-equatorial sea,
Tethys, forms between the continents of the Northern and Southern
Hemisphere. The westward movement of North America forms the ancestral Rocky
Mountains and the ancestral Sierra Nevada. Sea levels rise, submerging about
30% of the Earth's present land surface.
The global climate is generally warm. The poles are free of ice.
====So Jeff: Is that why, when the earth had little population, that the
oceans covered the west coast?
and parts of the East Coast? There are sea shells patterns embedded in the
rocks, here in the woods and I'm about
150 miles inland. It wasn't man that caused that water level to rise. And,
it wasn't man's
activities that cause Greenland to be Green . Man has nothing to do with
global warming nor oceans rising, it
is Nature, you imbeciles. You can take statistics and make them say anything
you wish, that is one reason
for this Hoax, other than greed,that is~
BTW,Seems Greed that has always been blamed on the Right is now a
problem for the Left, lately.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 4 2009 10:13 pm
From: "sr"
"sr" <solos42@uninets.net> wrote in message
news:8143a$4b18436d$ccb58423$25174@ispn.net...
> foxnews
>
> POLITICS: Al Gore Cancels Climate Lecture in Copenhagen
> Michigan sees record snow...
DC Under Winter Weather Advisory...
Al Gore could not be reached for comment
>
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TOPIC: Various products including children's clothing recently recalled
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/9ca71efb50b97cf2?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 4 2009 4:54 pm
From: zeez
http://consumerist.com/2009/12/recall-roundup-slim-faster-edition.html
Here's a fresh batch of recalls for you! Manufacturers have seemingly
forgotten that drawstrings on children's clothing are bad, and
bacterial contamination in Slim-Fast cans could give you far more
weight loss than you ever intended.
Cans of ready-to-drink Slim-Fast (all flavors) - bacterial
contamination
"Bobby Chupete" pacifiers - choking hazard
Children's hooded sweatshirts from Century 21 Promotions, Fashion
Options, NTD Apparel, Sunsations, and Allura Imports - strangulation
hazard
Perfect Flame SLG Gas Grills (sold at Lowe's) - Fire and Burn Hazard
EXO-Tech Safety Harness - fall hazard
Cost Plus World Market stainless steel cookware - handles can fall
off; burn hazard
Alpine Ski Bindings - bindings may release unexpectedly
Teamwork Trading pendants - high levels of lead
Electrolux ICON and Kenmore Pro 30 Gas Ranges - carbon monoxide
poisoning
Haier America blenders - laceration hazard
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TOPIC: The healthcare bill is SO bad
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/184b71b3f6f3da1f?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 4 2009 8:10 pm
From: "sr"
"zxcvbob" <zxcvbob@charter.net> wrote in message
news:7nt77eF3nbs4iU1@mid.individual.net...
> How bad is it? ;-)
-----We The People USA
Citizens Dedicated To Preserving Our Constitutional Republic
Supreme Court Has said that Congress Cannot control the Practice of
Medicine.
in Health Care Reform
Supreme Court Has said that Congress Cannot control the Practice of
Medicine.
Supreme court has said that Congress cannot control the practice of
medicine.
The Supreme Court has already spoken out against Congress making universal
health care the law of the land. Direct control of medical practice is
beyond the power of the federal government.
This is a decision of the Supreme Court, decided April 13, 1925, Linder vs.
the United States.
Then there is this case decided in 1926 that said, "Congress, therefore
cannot directly restrict the professional judgment of the physician or
interfere with its free exercise in the treatment of disease, Lambert vs.
Yellow.
You could look at Oregon vs. Ashcroft in 2004 or Conant vs. Walters in 2002.
However, they all give similar judgments restricting congress's authority
over medicine and making it clear that the states have this right not
congress. What is being debated in Congress right now is direct control and
therefore beyond the power of congress to enact. Let's flood the senate with
this information, call, email or fax them and tell them they cannot do this.
taken from WETHEPEOPLE
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 4 2009 9:07 pm
From: "sr"
Good Grief do a google, Fine and Jail time, these are the Democrats
proposing this, the people's party
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I think it is 5,000 and a year jail.
---------
The only way out, is if you are an illegal, illegals get away with a lot,
you are better off being an illegal in America than
being a citizen. Laws do not apply to illegals like they do to the
citizens, if you have noticed?.
=========
"h" <tmclone@searchmachine.com> wrote in message
news:hf8ijo$d1d$1@aioe.org...
>
> "Dave C." <noway@nohow.never> wrote in message
> news:20091202234742.067142ef.noway@nohow.never...
>>
>>> >
>>> > Everybody will have to switch plans from whatever they currently
>>> > have, to a much more expensive plan. (assuming you already have
>>> > private health insurance) -Dave
>>>
>>> But that only applies to those making (what I think is) a lot of
>>> money. Those of us who have been hammered by the economy will not be
>>> required to buy insurance.
>>
>> You are confused. The only people NOT required to buy insurance under
>> the various bills being discussed is the people who are voting on the
>> bills. Unless you are a Senator (for example) YOU will be required to
>> buy insurance. If you can't vote on the bill, you will be required to
>> buy insurance when the bill passes.
>>
>>> We simply can't afford it and never will
>>> be able to.
>>
>> Then you will go to prison. I wish I'd made that up. But the penalty
>> for not being able to afford the mandatory insurance coverage is stiff
>> fines...and jail time.
>
> Paranoid much? The actual proposals read pretty much like the MA current
> laws, and under those (I don't live in MA) I would NOT have to buy
> insurance. Even those who fail to buy it and can "afford it" (according to
> the state) only pay a tax of less than $800 year. Jail time, are you
> insane? PLONK!
>
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 4 2009 9:14 pm
From: "sr"
"Cindy Hamilton" <angelicapaganelli@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:58e2419c-98d2-4451-b989-c8c298996654@g26g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 4, 12:42 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dave C. wrote
>
> > Rod Speed wrote
> >> Dave C. wrote
> >>>> The bills are total crap. Single payer Medicare for all is the ONLY
> >>>> thing that will work, which is a guarantee we'll never see it in this
> >>>> country. We can never do things that will work - hence Afganistan.
> >>> Medicare is going to be bankrupt in a few years.
> >> Fools have been claiming that for decades now.
> >>> That's at current funding levels for current subscribers. If you add
> >>> hundreds of millions of subscribers to medicare, nobody owns a
> >>> calculator with enough digits to calculate the cost of that.
> >> Another lie. The US spends TWICE the percentage of GDP on health
> >> care that anywhere else in the entire world does, so universal medicare
> >> WOULD COST MUCH LESS THAN THE CURRENT INSURANCE SYSTEM DOES.
> > That must be that famous government efficiency at work, eh? -Dave
>
> Nope, just avoiding the cost of all those paper shuffling apes in the
> insurance system and
> the other stuff like advertising etc thats no longer needed with a single
> payer system.
The wife of a co-worker is a doctor. He reports that she says that
insurance company
paperwork is ten times more onerous than the Medicare forms. If we
had single-payer,
privately delivered health care, doctors' offices could reduce their
staffing because they
wouldn't need so many paper pushers.
Cindy Hamilton
======Crap, most of the doctors here will not take medicare clients, any
longer, they don't get reimbursed,if they do it isn't up to private pay. and
they complained, too much paper work, and there is so much regulations that
they can't give the best in their judgement.
Even the Hospitals got gipped. What will happen is, the employers will stop
carrying private insurance and just let the Government
take care of it, because Govenment doesn't have to play by the rules it sets
for the rest of society. And Government can make money out of air, unlike
the private sector
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TOPIC: $6 for the Sunday New York Times?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/a4831eba695d549c?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 4 2009 9:03 pm
From: A VFW
I sometimes get the NYTs for free by stopping in the local store that
carries it, but does not always sell every copy. on monday they give
them away I recycle them after I read them.
try it!
who wants yesterday's paper. I do.
for the latest , I Google.
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TOPIC: Krackpot Ray Keller gets caught in his lies, public records tell the
tale
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/df30389fcba1b11e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 4 2009 9:09 pm
From: "I M @ good guy"
On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:15:31 -0500, The Very Model of Sweetness and
Light <ye_olde_muleskinner@yahoo.com> wrote:
>"there was nothing exposed"
>
>http://openleft.com/diary/16237/a-deeper-look-at-global-warming-denialist-attacks
Open Left? Does that mean "world socialist",
or just "socialist"?
The script on that page is really amazing,
trying to dilute the seriousness of violation of
laws about information and data preservation.
Anybody who calls an AGW skeptic a denier
or denialist is an arrogant fool, there is no truth
about AGW to deny, there is no certainty, and it
is time for all scientists, journalists and politicians
to take the time necessary to get to the truth,
that is what skeptics want, that is what skeptics
do.
But who knows how much more will be
revealed in government investigations, one
of the unpleasant things about working
under government contract or grants is
that government can really lower the boom
if laws are broken.
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