Frugal Living: misc.consumers.frugal-living - 25 new messages in 14 topics

Tuesday, December 8, 2009

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TOPIC: Premiums vs Tax Increases
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 8 2009 10:43 am
From: "Jim Jones"

Napoleon wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Dec 2009 16:25:03 -0500, "sr" <solos42@uninets.net> wrote:
>
>> If your family is fortunate enough to make $102,100 a year,
>> Pelosi-Care will hit you with a $15,000 premium plus an estimated
>> $5,300 out-of-pocket, for a $20,300 total, or 20% of what you earn!
>> If you earn $44,000 before taxes and buy your own insurance you'll
>> pay a $5,300 premium and an estimated $2,000 in out-of-pocket
>> expenses, for a total of $7,300 a year, that's 17% of your income!
>
> How many people think their taxes will go up so high that they will be
> paying the amount per year that is stated above, if single-payer
> nationalized health care is passed?
>
> They won't. Not even close. Do you even think your taxes will increase
> by 20K (for upper income earners) and 7K (for lower income earners)
> per year to pay for Medicare for All? They won't. It'll be so much
> less, plus NO MORE MEDICAL BILLS on top of the insurance premiums.
>
> That's why we will NEVER have single payer nationalized health care
> like the entire civilized world, because Americans are too stupid to
> realize how much we'd save in our individual lives. All Americans care
> about is NO NEW TAXES!

Have fun explaining how americans got medicare and social security.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 7 2009 10:33 pm
From: "Dave C."

On Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:46:58 -0500
Napoleon <anarch@666yes.net> wrote:

> On Mon, 7 Dec 2009 16:25:03 -0500, "sr" <solos42@uninets.net> wrote:
>
> >If your family is fortunate enough to make $102,100 a year,
> >Pelosi-Care will hit you with a $15,000 premium plus an estimated
> >$5,300 out-of-pocket, for a $20,300 total, or 20% of what you earn!
> >If you earn $44,000 before taxes and buy your own insurance you'll
> >pay a $5,300 premium and an estimated $2,000 in out-of-pocket
> >expenses, for a total of $7,300 a year, that's 17% of your income!
>
> How many people think their taxes will go up so high that they will be
> paying the amount per year that is stated above, if single-payer
> nationalized health care is passed?

I'd say they are optimistic. The top earners in this country could be
in a 70% tax bracket soon. It's getting so bad in this country that we
are starting to lean toward that old joke about the simplified tax form:
Line 1: How much did you make last year?
Line 2: Send it in!

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 8 2009 3:14 pm
From: jeff

sr wrote:
> http://www.scribd.com/doc/18280675/Principles-for-Allocation-of-Scarce-Medical-Interventions
> like I said, rationing for people over 50. out of MD

You appear to believe every opinion that you agree with.

The bill is online, quote it or assume irrelevance.

Where were you when Bush pushed through that unfunded Medicare Drug
Bill giveaway? Seems to me you are just picking sides without actually
doing any real looking into the facts and substance.

I see this all the time. Someone I knew heard (on talk radio) that
Bush had created 90k jobs a month and believed it. The stats aren't hard
to find and the real figure is 19K/month and that's not taking away the
jobs lost in the months after he left. You guys are really faith based.

Jeff
>
> "sr" <solos42@uninets.net> wrote in message
> news:138c6$4b1d6505$ccb58426$14320@ispn.net...
>> Medicare cut, Homecare cut, People after age of 50 ration care.
>> I'll have more for you -
>> I have to read the UK papers to see what is going on here since
>> the main steam media is in bed with this ADM, so we aren't getting
>> the News
>> I'll have more for you to think about
>>
>>
>
>

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 8 2009 5:50 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Dave C. wrote
> sr <solos42@uninets.net> wrote

>> If you don't provide proof that you're in a qualified
>> plan when you file your taxes, you'll be charged with
>> a felony and hit with thousands of dollars in fines.

>> Unlike every American, Pelosi-Care makes sure
>> that illegal immigrants are exempt from this law.

> While that's technically true, the plan is blanket amnesty
> after the health care reform is passed. In other words,
> there will be no such thing as an illegal immigrant soon.

Another lie.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 8 2009 11:02 am
From: "Dave Bugg"

sam coleridge wrote:

> <ranck@vt.edu> wrote in message news:hfjga5$5i8$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu...
>> On the other hand, since the OP has not clarified what he's talking
>> about, it may have just been a drive-by trolling.

> because the topic might seem unsual or 'off the wall' to you Bill,
> its still not very nice to be so readily accused of trolling

Sam, you weren't either 'readily' or 'accused' of doing a troll. It was
mentioned as being among a list of possibilities for a post to which you
would not further clarify when concerns about carbon monoxide was raised.

It IS one method of operation for a troll to drop a controversial topic into
usenet and leave it there for the masses to wrestle with.
--
Dave
What is best in life? "To crush your enemies, see them driven before
you, and to hear the lamentation of the women." -- Conan

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 8 2009 11:27 am
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TOPIC: Gore can't take the HEAT
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 8 2009 2:51 pm
From: jeff

sr wrote:
> That's the point Mother Nature, not man

Which has absolutely zippo to do with man made CO2 warming.

Even Rush's whacko admits that. Do you think that mother nature added
all that CO2?

The remarkable thing about George W Bush and Republicans in general
is that ignorance of doing anything other than kicking the can down the
road. Why all the fear of actually tackling a problem? Your "solution:"
seems to be wait eons for mother nature to exterminate man and fix the
problem.

Jeff

> "RickMerrill" <RM@spamless.com> wrote in message
> news:hfe1e6$psp$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> sr wrote:
>>> "jeff" <jeff_thies@att.net> wrote in message
>>> news:hfc857$gtd$1@news.albasani.net...
>>>> Zee wrote:
>>>>> On Dec 4, 7:01 am, "sr" <solo...@uninets.net> wrote:
>>>>>> foxnews
>>>>>>
>>>>>> POLITICS: Al Gore Cancels Climate Lecture in
>>>>>> Copenhagenhttp://bit.ly/6ViAti
>>>>> He's human after all.
>>>> And he wasn't wrong.
>>>>
>>>> Here is the temp chart from Dr Roy Spencer, Limbaugh's expert:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.drroyspencer.com/latest-global-temperatures/
>>>>
>>>> Note the distinct upward trend.
>>>>
>>>> Also note that whenever climate change skeptics say that the earth is
>>>> cooling, they use the reference point of as the '98 El Nino temperature
>>>> spike.
>>>>
>>>> A careful read and you will find that Dr Roy acknowledges that if there
>>>> are no negative feedbacks (which there is no real evidence of) but a
>>>> positive feedback (which there is evidence of):
>>>>
>>>> Negative feedbacks (low climate sensitivity) would mean that manmade
>>>> global warming might not even be measurable, lost in the noise of
>>>> natural climate variability. But if feedbacks are sufficiently positive
>>>> (high climate sensitivity), then manmade global warming could be
>>>> catastrophic.
>>>>
>>>> The best Dr Roy can say is that there are doubts, but if you read his
>>>> evidence, it's a point for fear of climate change, indeed much worse
>>>> than Al Gore has said.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.drroyspencer.com/library/pics/PDO-and-20th-Century-warming-Fig03.jpg
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>> Cretaceous Period
>>> 144-65 million years ago The continents-while not in their current
>>> positions on the Earth-are shaped much as they are today. South America
>>> and Africa separate, and the Atlantic ocean widens. A circum-equatorial
>>> sea, Tethys, forms between the continents of the Northern and Southern
>>> Hemisphere. The westward movement of North America forms the ancestral
>>> Rocky Mountains and the ancestral Sierra Nevada. Sea levels rise,
>>> submerging about 30% of the Earth's present land surface.
>>> The global climate is generally warm. The poles are free of ice.
>>>
>>> ====So Jeff: Is that why, when the earth had little population, that the
>>> oceans covered the west coast?
>>> and parts of the East Coast? There are sea shells patterns embedded in
>>> the rocks, here in the woods and I'm about
>>> 150 miles inland. It wasn't man that caused that water level to rise.
>>> And,
>> You DO realize that in those millions of years the LAND itself has risen?!
>>
>>
>>
>>> it wasn't man's
>>> activities that cause Greenland to be Green . Man has nothing to do with
>>> global warming nor oceans rising, it
>>> is Nature, you imbeciles. You can take statistics and make them say
>>> anything you wish, that is one reason
>>> for this Hoax, other than greed,that is~
>>> BTW,Seems Greed that has always been blamed on the Right is now a
>>> problem for the Left, lately.
>>>
>

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 8 2009 2:58 pm
From: jeff

sr wrote:
> "sr" <solos42@uninets.net> wrote in message
> news:8143a$4b18436d$ccb58423$25174@ispn.net...
>> foxnews
>>
>> POLITICS: Al Gore Cancels Climate Lecture in Copenhagen
>
>> Michigan sees record snow...
> DC Under Winter Weather Advisory...
>
> Al Gore could not be reached for comment

Such a simple minded ignorance of global average temperatures. The
earth is warming more at the poles and jet stream and weather patterns
are changing because of that. Did you really think that everywhere was
going to be .1 degree warmer than last year?

This will be the earths warmest year in recent history.

Jeff
>
>
>

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 8 2009 7:38 pm
From: "sr"

"jeff" <jeff_thies@att.net> wrote in message
news:hfmlmh$k92$1@news.albasani.net...
> sr wrote:
>> "sr" <solos42@uninets.net> wrote in message
>> news:8143a$4b18436d$ccb58423$25174@ispn.net...
>>> foxnews
>>>
>>> POLITICS: Al Gore Cancels Climate Lecture in Copenhagen
>>
>>> Michigan sees record snow...
>> DC Under Winter Weather Advisory...
>>
>> Al Gore could not be reached for comment
>
> Such a simple minded ignorance of global average temperatures. The earth
> is warming more at the poles and jet stream and weather patterns are
> changing because of that. Did you really think that everywhere was going
> to be .1 degree warmer than last year?
>
> This will be the earths warmest year in recent history.
>
Jeff
=========
your eyes must be Brown, and you are a dummy, I've lived through 4 of this
climate Hoaxes
Look up the one in the mid 70s that was the ice age, Science Mag was the
biggest promoter, and Newsweek

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 8 2009 7:39 pm
From: "sr"

Bush didn't for the fraud.
Obama the manchild has
"jeff" <jeff_thies@att.net> wrote in message
news:hfml9u$jo0$1@news.albasani.net...
> sr wrote:
>> That's the point Mother Nature, not man
>
> Which has absolutely zippo to do with man made CO2 warming.
>
> Even Rush's whacko admits that. Do you think that mother nature added
> all that CO2?
>
> The remarkable thing about George W Bush and Republicans in general is
> that ignorance of doing anything other than kicking the can down the road.
> Why all the fear of actually tackling a problem? Your "solution:" seems to
> be wait eons for mother nature to exterminate man and fix the problem.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>> "RickMerrill" <RM@spamless.com> wrote in message
>> news:hfe1e6$psp$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> sr wrote:
>>>> "jeff" <jeff_thies@att.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:hfc857$gtd$1@news.albasani.net...
>>>>> Zee wrote:
>>>>>> On Dec 4, 7:01 am, "sr" <solo...@uninets.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> foxnews
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> POLITICS: Al Gore Cancels Climate Lecture in
>>>>>>> Copenhagenhttp://bit.ly/6ViAti
>>>>>> He's human after all.
>>>>> And he wasn't wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is the temp chart from Dr Roy Spencer, Limbaugh's expert:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.drroyspencer.com/latest-global-temperatures/
>>>>>
>>>>> Note the distinct upward trend.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also note that whenever climate change skeptics say that the earth
>>>>> is cooling, they use the reference point of as the '98 El Nino
>>>>> temperature spike.
>>>>>
>>>>> A careful read and you will find that Dr Roy acknowledges that if
>>>>> there are no negative feedbacks (which there is no real evidence of)
>>>>> but a positive feedback (which there is evidence of):
>>>>>
>>>>> Negative feedbacks (low climate sensitivity) would mean that manmade
>>>>> global warming might not even be measurable, lost in the noise of
>>>>> natural climate variability. But if feedbacks are sufficiently
>>>>> positive (high climate sensitivity), then manmade global warming could
>>>>> be catastrophic.
>>>>>
>>>>> The best Dr Roy can say is that there are doubts, but if you read
>>>>> his evidence, it's a point for fear of climate change, indeed much
>>>>> worse than Al Gore has said.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.drroyspencer.com/library/pics/PDO-and-20th-Century-warming-Fig03.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff
>>>> Cretaceous Period
>>>> 144-65 million years ago The continents-while not in their
>>>> current positions on the Earth-are shaped much as they are today. South
>>>> America and Africa separate, and the Atlantic ocean widens. A
>>>> circum-equatorial sea, Tethys, forms between the continents of the
>>>> Northern and Southern Hemisphere. The westward movement of North
>>>> America forms the ancestral Rocky Mountains and the ancestral Sierra
>>>> Nevada. Sea levels rise, submerging about 30% of the Earth's present
>>>> land surface.
>>>> The global climate is generally warm. The poles are free of ice.
>>>>
>>>> ====So Jeff: Is that why, when the earth had little population, that
>>>> the oceans covered the west coast?
>>>> and parts of the East Coast? There are sea shells patterns embedded in
>>>> the rocks, here in the woods and I'm about
>>>> 150 miles inland. It wasn't man that caused that water level to rise.
>>>> And,
>>> You DO realize that in those millions of years the LAND itself has
>>> risen?!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> it wasn't man's
>>>> activities that cause Greenland to be Green . Man has nothing to do
>>>> with global warming nor oceans rising, it
>>>> is Nature, you imbeciles. You can take statistics and make them say
>>>> anything you wish, that is one reason
>>>> for this Hoax, other than greed,that is~
>>>> BTW,Seems Greed that has always been blamed on the Right is now a
>>>> problem for the Left, lately.
>>>>
>>

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 8 2009 8:00 pm
From: "sr"

"jeff" <jeff_thies@att.net> wrote in message
news:hfmlmh$k92$1@news.albasani.net...
> sr wrote:
>> "sr" <solos42@uninets.net> wrote in message
>> news:8143a$4b18436d$ccb58423$25174@ispn.net...
>>> foxnews
>>>
>>> POLITICS: Al Gore Cancels Climate Lecture in Copenhagen
>>
>>> Michigan sees record snow...
>> DC Under Winter Weather Advisory...
>>
>> Al Gore could not be reached for comment
>
> Such a simple minded ignorance of global average temperatures. The earth
> is warming more at the poles and jet stream and weather patterns are
> changing because of that. Did you really think that everywhere was going
> to be .1 degree warmer than last year?
>
> This will be the earths warmest year in recent history.
>
> Jeff
>>
Where are you living, couldn't be in the midwest, if you are, sharpen your
snowshov>>

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 8 2009 8:22 pm
From: "sr"

Bush, thank God, didn't fall for the fraud
Obama the manchild has fallen for the fraud
altho' a Dem. Senator, told Obama not to make any commentments to the Global
warming crowd.
There are big Names that are going to make Billions off the back
of you and me and others.
Goldman Satch, GE, and all the Lib organizations , Gore, by nickle and
diming us to death.
======if you hold a job, and the gov. wants a dime for this regulation, a
nickle for that regulation because of climate warming,
whatever, you are working for the government, not for your private self.
===========Now, if you are on the dole, you will root for the
Government========= At some point there won't be
enought people to keep people like you, so than, who will you turn to, is
the question
------------
> "jeff" <jeff_thies@att.net> wrote in message
> news:hfml9u$jo0$1@news.albasani.net...
>> sr wrote:
>>> That's the point Mother Nature, not man
>>
>> Which has absolutely zippo to do with man made CO2 warming.
>>
>> Even Rush's whacko admits that. Do you think that mother nature added
>> all that CO2?
>>
>> The remarkable thing about George W Bush and Republicans in general is
>> that ignorance of doing anything other than kicking the can down the
>> road. Why all the fear of actually tackling a problem? Your "solution:"
>> seems to be wait eons for mother nature to exterminate man and fix the
>> problem.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>>> "RickMerrill" <RM@spamless.com> wrote in message
>>> news:hfe1e6$psp$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> sr wrote:
>>>>> "jeff" <jeff_thies@att.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:hfc857$gtd$1@news.albasani.net...
>>>>>> Zee wrote:
>>>>>>> On Dec 4, 7:01 am, "sr" <solo...@uninets.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> foxnews
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> POLITICS: Al Gore Cancels Climate Lecture in
>>>>>>>> Copenhagenhttp://bit.ly/6ViAti
>>>>>>> He's human after all.
>>>>>> And he wasn't wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is the temp chart from Dr Roy Spencer, Limbaugh's expert:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.drroyspencer.com/latest-global-temperatures/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Note the distinct upward trend.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also note that whenever climate change skeptics say that the earth
>>>>>> is cooling, they use the reference point of as the '98 El Nino
>>>>>> temperature spike.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A careful read and you will find that Dr Roy acknowledges that if
>>>>>> there are no negative feedbacks (which there is no real evidence of)
>>>>>> but a positive feedback (which there is evidence of):
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Negative feedbacks (low climate sensitivity) would mean that manmade
>>>>>> global warming might not even be measurable, lost in the noise of
>>>>>> natural climate variability. But if feedbacks are sufficiently
>>>>>> positive (high climate sensitivity), then manmade global warming
>>>>>> could be catastrophic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The best Dr Roy can say is that there are doubts, but if you read
>>>>>> his evidence, it's a point for fear of climate change, indeed much
>>>>>> worse than Al Gore has said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.drroyspencer.com/library/pics/PDO-and-20th-Century-warming-Fig03.jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>> Cretaceous Period
>>>>> 144-65 million years ago The continents-while not in their
>>>>> current positions on the Earth-are shaped much as they are today.
>>>>> South America and Africa separate, and the Atlantic ocean widens. A
>>>>> circum-equatorial sea, Tethys, forms between the continents of the
>>>>> Northern and Southern Hemisphere. The westward movement of North
>>>>> America forms the ancestral Rocky Mountains and the ancestral Sierra
>>>>> Nevada. Sea levels rise, submerging about 30% of the Earth's present
>>>>> land surface.
>>>>> The global climate is generally warm. The poles are free of ice.
>>>>>
>>>>> ====So Jeff: Is that why, when the earth had little population, that
>>>>> the oceans covered the west coast?
>>>>> and parts of the East Coast? There are sea shells patterns embedded in
>>>>> the rocks, here in the woods and I'm about
>>>>> 150 miles inland. It wasn't man that caused that water level to rise.
>>>>> And,
>>>> You DO realize that in those millions of years the LAND itself has
>>>> risen?!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> it wasn't man's
>>>>> activities that cause Greenland to be Green . Man has nothing to do
>>>>> with global warming nor oceans rising, it
>>>>> is Nature, you imbeciles. You can take statistics and make them say
>>>>> anything you wish, that is one reason
>>>>> for this Hoax, other than greed,that is~
>>>>> BTW,Seems Greed that has always been blamed on the Right is now a
>>>>> problem for the Left, lately.
>>>>>
>>>
>
>

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 8 2009 10:33 pm
From: "sr"

ClimateScam

BREAKING: Over 140 scientists challenge UN's climate claims in open letter
http://bit.ly/4XMXqg #climategate

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TOPIC: Product recall: 2 infants killed in Amby Baby hammocks
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 8 2009 5:14 pm
From: enough

http://www.walletpop.com/blog/2009/12/08/two-babies-die-in-infant-hammocks-product-recalled/

ollowing the suffocation deaths of two babies this summer, Amby Baby
Motion Beds are being recalled, the U.S. Consumer Product Safety
Commission said.

Amby Baby told the CPSC that a 4-month-old girl in Lawrenceville, Ga.,
died in one of the hammocks in June and a 5-month-old boy from
Gresham, Ore., died in August.

Babies are put at risk of suffocating from the side-to-side shifting
or tilting of the hammock, the CPSC said in its announcement. The the
infant can roll and get trapped against the hammock's fabric or
mattress pad and suffocate.

About 24,000 of the Chinese-made infant hammocks were sold online for
about $250 between January 2003 and October 2009.

Those who have the hammocks are urged to stop using them immediately
until a repair kit is obtained from Amby Baby and the product is
fixed.

To contact Amby Baby, call 866-544-9721 weekdays between 9 a.m. and 5
p.m. Eastern Time or go to the company's Web site.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 8 2009 7:40 pm
From: "sr"

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 8 2009 8:14 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

sr wrote:

Just the puerile shit thats all it can ever manage.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 8 2009 8:34 pm
From: Day Brown

I saw a UCTV autistic expert report 24 DNA markers for autism. But even
at that, the markers alone may not result in problems. She noted the
onset of pathology followed a contagious infection, and suggests that if
this happens at critical times during mental development, then the risk
of pathology rises dramatically.

But kids with fewer than 12 markers dont have nearly the rate.

I began working with autistic boys in 1963 in a residential treatment
center. I'd never seen any before. Not while in the hospital with 600
other kids when I got polio- that had all sorts of pathologies, nor in
any of the special schools for 'special needs' kids from 1947 to 1953,
nor in any of the summer camps for freaks. This was something new.

But then, in more recent years, seeing TV say the rate now was 1:155, I
called a rural school nurse friend to see how many she saw; in a school
of 250 kids. "None". She went on to say there were only one in a whole
rural district of 4000 kids.

And today, still, if you look up the Arkansas school report, and check
the Ozark hill towns, where the kids come from family farms, and are
raised on much less junk and much more from home gardens like Amish, you
see that over 95% of the kids get tested every year. SOP is to remove
all kids with mental pathology from testing, but they dont here cause
they dont have any.

Another clue. Robert Kaplan, Imperial Grunts, reports half the Green
Berets were raised on family farms. This is 1% of the total population
providing 50% of the nation's most competent and stable soldiers. There
is something going on here. Like the Amish, there's certainly a high
ratio of Native European lineages, (99% white) and certainly a dietary
diff with a rural lifestyle that hasnt changed that much despite the
times. Then too, there's a behavior factor since these schools still
paddle kids that disrupt classes, and bullies get their chains jerked.

But clearly, behavioral techniques are not sufficient to explain the
deviation from the test scores or the school results. Which include:
zero rates of violence. Graduation rates over 90%. (last June, Jasper
graduated 100% of the class, and the year before Deer AR did so too.)
College remediation rates in the teens, attendance rates over 95%.

These schools still work, and do so with the 2nd lowest teacher pay in
the USA, and half the kids so poor their lunches are free. I dont claim
to know what all the factors are, certainly those above are real, but
also for sure, somebody should look into it who can affect policy.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 8 2009 8:54 pm
From: "Nick Naim"

"sr" <solos42@uninets.net> wrote in message
news:19584$4b1d2807$ccb5841f$27857@ispn.net...
> http://www.scribd.com/doc/18280675/Principles-for-Allocation-of-Scarce-Medical-Interventions
>
> In the healthcare bill after the age of 50 you won't rate along with the
> younger, for medical care
true
>
> Also, you are required to let Gov. have access to your bank acc. and
> medical papers, NO MORE PRIVACY
true

>
> the Dems are behind the door making deals with the Medical Professionals,
> AARP, and other agencies that will
> benefit them, but not you.
true
>
> This is more than about health, this is about control
true
I did not vote for this FUCKING THUG
in 3 more years .............the fuckers gone
>
>
>

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TOPIC: The healthcare bill is so bad
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/184b71b3f6f3da1f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 8 2009 9:13 pm
From: "Nick Naim"

"sr" <solos42@uninets.net> wrote in message
news:77463$4b15a047$ccb5841f$18462@ispn.net...
> to exempt Congressional Staffers from new healthcare reform bill
>
> From: Turner, Trish
>
> To:
>
> Sent: Tue Dec 01 17:16:35 2009
>
> Subject: URGENT: SenReid tries to exempt Congressional staffers from new
> healthcare reform
>
> http://gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com/look-who-gets-exempted/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blogs%2FGretawire+%28FOXNews.com+-+Blogs+-+Gretawire%29&utm_content=Twitter
>
> I heard it would add 2,000 dollars to your Ins. premium!
> .JFC some of a bitch .................................
NO United States Citizen making under $100,000 per year CAN afford health
insurence premium payments
Just go to the fcking hospital if you have problem like i do.
They will take you in...............

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TOPIC: does taking from recycling container = stealing?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/98b1eee3d4cad100?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 8 2009 9:31 pm
From: The Real Bev

David Harmon wrote:

> Ohioguy <none@none.net> wrote,
>>However, the recycling containers are a different story. My
>>understanding is that the city gets some $$ from the aluminum, etc.,
>
> Yes, it's stealing for exactly the reason you give. In addition, my
> city for example is under orders to divert a percentage of the trash
> stream to recycling - if they fall short, they will be penalized by the
> State of California. Check your local ordinances, and then call the
> cops if you feel like it.

Our city has to pay the recycling company to pick the stuff up. Personally,
I'd rather that a human got the money than some faceless entity or the assholes
that run our city.

--
Cheers, Bev
==========================================================
There is a fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness.'

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TOPIC: Carbon monoxide dangers and winter heating
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/854d98dad79b5fd0?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 8 2009 9:35 pm
From: The Real Bev

zeez wrote:

> http://www2.tricities.com/tri/news/local/consumer/article/carbon_monoxide_dangers_arise_during_winter_months/19194/
>
> The winter months are here. As the mercury begins to dip, some
> families, struggling to pay their heating bills, will turn on the
> kitchen stove burners and the oven in an effort to take the chill off
> their home. What these families don't realize is how dangerous this
> practice can be.

Sometimes ignorance and stupidity carry their own penalties. Not often enough,
though.

> A gas oven or range top should never be used for
> heating. A fire could start and poisonous carbon monoxide (CO) fumes
> could fill the home. Any fuel-burning heating equipment (fireplaces,
> furnaces, water heaters, space or portable heaters), generators and
> chimneys can produce carbon monoxide.

Until I was in 6th grade the only heater in our house was an electric thing
that looked like a mini-fireplace in the bathroom. My grandma got up early and
turned the gas oven on. We survived. We weren't even sick very often.

We also burned our trash in the back yard incinerator.

--
Cheers, Bev
==========================================================
There is a fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness.'

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TOPIC: Thrift stores - rising prices?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/c91042ccabd6f95f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 8 2009 9:57 pm
From: The Real Bev

clams_casino wrote:

> Lenona wrote:
>
>>Recently, I heard a newscaster quote an anonymous female shopper as
>>complaining that she'd been shopping in thrift stores all her life,
>>but the prices were suddenly going up, apparently, because more and
>>more people are using them these days.
>>
>>Has anyone seen evidence of that?
>
> A few years ago, we'd typically find paperbacks at 50 cents. Now it's
> hard to find them at $1 as some are charging $2.

Standard yardsale price is 25 cents. DVDs are $1. I would guess that people
are selling their stuff rather than donating it, but yardsale prices really
haven't increased all that much; mostly people just want to swap stuff for
space.

--
Cheers, Bev
------------------------------------------------
There are 10 types of people in this world,
those who understand binary and those who don't.

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TOPIC: shopping
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/eb169afc86ed166f?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 8 2009 10:27 pm
From: rose

http://www.shoppingreps.com?SourceId=1141 is the first website
developed on new innovative shopping model: Group bargaining through
social networking targeted towards volume discounts. It has presented
a suitable platform to reflect this novel shopping idea. This concept
and methodology is new to the internet world. The website offers free
membership to the shoppers and vendors. It encourages shoppers to
acquire quotes for themselves when a group is formed. The shoppers
will know the size of the group and the complete product details for
which they will be requested to fetch quotes from their own
localities. Shoppers get their chance of testing their bargain
capabilities and enjoy the benefits and fun of bargaining for a bulk
order and a group.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 8 2009 10:30 pm
From: rose

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TOPIC: No gift giving this Christmas...
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/7570f95930f62ce6?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 8 2009 10:37 pm
From: "sr"

"Ohioguy" <none@none.net> wrote in message
news:WkwTm.67105$rE5.40134@newsfe08.iad...
> We already did gift giving on the traditional date - December 6 - St.
> Nick's Day. More than 2 weeks later, Christmas will thus be reserved for
> Christ.
=
Like your style, never heard of this

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