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From: Michael Black
On Mon, 26 Apr 2010, Jeff Thies wrote:
> The Henchman wrote:
>>
>>
>> "VFW" <georgeswk@toast.net> wrote in message
>> news:georgeswk-3BEFE3.11364626042010@news.toast.net...
>>> If you cut the bottom out of a gallon bottle it makes a great little
>>> greenhouse for each plant.
>>> We look for clear glass gallons all year round.
>>> --
>>> Enjoy this moment ! Thanks. g.
>>
>>
>> Is there plastic that can do this to??
>
> Why not?
>
> It doesn't matter so much what the glazing is, as long as there is some
> barrier. The wavelengths you need are passed about equally, for either glass
> or clear PET.
>
> Greenhouses are often covered in polyethelene, for that matter. It's cheap,
> just needs replacing more often.
>
Indeed, that's what I thought he was going to suggest or ask about.
I can't remember where I saw it, but just recently I saw instructions
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bit of wood for a frame, than a larger area that would be covered in
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== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 27 2010 8:26 am
From: VFW
In article <83mpq8Fe41U1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> The Henchman wrote
> > VFW <georgeswk@toast.net> wrote
>
> >> If you cut the bottom out of a gallon bottle it makes a great little
> >> greenhouse for each plant.
>
> >> We look for clear glass gallons all year round.
>
> > Is there plastic that can do this to??
>
> Yep, the clear ones work fine.
I've heard even milky gallon jugs work if you cut the bottom but leave
one side attached. like a flap to then weight down. Wind , ya know.
Happy gardening!
and you can even grow wild stuff on public lands. Like Jerusalem
artichokes. plant once and go back to harvest. it reseeds itself , needs
no attention. and is good for you.
you don't even have to "own" the land.
--
Enjoy this moment ! Thanks. g.
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 27 2010 4:37 pm
From: Jeff Thies
Michael Black wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Apr 2010, Jeff Thies wrote:
>
>> The Henchman wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "VFW" <georgeswk@toast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:georgeswk-3BEFE3.11364626042010@news.toast.net...
>>>> If you cut the bottom out of a gallon bottle it makes a great little
>>>> greenhouse for each plant.
>>>> We look for clear glass gallons all year round.
>>>> --
>>>> Enjoy this moment ! Thanks. g.
>>>
>>>
>>> Is there plastic that can do this to??
>>
>> Why not?
>>
>> It doesn't matter so much what the glazing is, as long as there is
>> some barrier. The wavelengths you need are passed about equally, for
>> either glass or clear PET.
>>
>> Greenhouses are often covered in polyethelene, for that matter. It's
>> cheap, just needs replacing more often.
>>
> Indeed, that's what I thought he was going to suggest or ask about.
>
> I can't remember where I saw it, but just recently I saw instructions
> for basically a lean-to that you put against the wall of your house. A
> bit of wood for a frame, than a larger area that would be covered in
> plastic, angled to get the best sun. Simple and cheap, it provides a
> place to get your seedlings going before it's warm enough to actually
> plant in the ground. They actually included a door or something,
> because it could get too hot under the right conditions.
I built, what we refer to as the "solar cabana". It has an arched
roof made out of 1" pvc (like a hoop) and is held together with 2*2s.
The arch gives more headroom near the edge, a straight slant would have
a bit less heat loss. I'm really happy with it and started my seeds in
it. I only have a lot of sun when it's cold and the trees are barren,
but then it's a champ and a delight.
There's a lot of plans on the net. I highly recommend the door!
Jeff
>
> Michael
>
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 27 2010 4:43 pm
From: Jeff Thies
VFW wrote:
> In article <83mpq8Fe41U1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The Henchman wrote
>>> VFW <georgeswk@toast.net> wrote
<snip>
> Happy gardening!
> and you can even grow wild stuff on public lands. Like Jerusalem
> artichokes. plant once and go back to harvest. it reseeds itself , needs
> no attention. and is good for you.
> you don't even have to "own" the land.
As it happens there's a vacant lot across the street from me (with
more sun than I have), I can't get easily get water there, but it would
be nice to do something there.
Any other recommendations?
Jeff
Atlanta, 7b
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 27 2010 8:54 pm
From: VFW
In article <hr7sfb$dq8$1@news.albasani.net>,
Jeff Thies <jeff_thies@att.net> wrote:
> Michael Black wrote:
> > On Mon, 26 Apr 2010, Jeff Thies wrote:
> >
> >> The Henchman wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "VFW" <georgeswk@toast.net> wrote in message
> >>> news:georgeswk-3BEFE3.11364626042010@news.toast.net...
> >>>> If you cut the bottom out of a gallon bottle it makes a great little
> >>>> greenhouse for each plant.
> >>>> We look for clear glass gallons all year round.
> >>>> --
> >>>> Enjoy this moment ! Thanks. g.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Is there plastic that can do this to??
> >>
> >> Why not?
> >>
> >> It doesn't matter so much what the glazing is, as long as there is
> >> some barrier. The wavelengths you need are passed about equally, for
> >> either glass or clear PET.
> >>
> >> Greenhouses are often covered in polyethelene, for that matter. It's
> >> cheap, just needs replacing more often.
> >>
> > Indeed, that's what I thought he was going to suggest or ask about.
> >
> > I can't remember where I saw it, but just recently I saw instructions
> > for basically a lean-to that you put against the wall of your house. A
> > bit of wood for a frame, than a larger area that would be covered in
> > plastic, angled to get the best sun. Simple and cheap, it provides a
> > place to get your seedlings going before it's warm enough to actually
> > plant in the ground. They actually included a door or something,
> > because it could get too hot under the right conditions.
>
> I built, what we refer to as the "solar cabana". It has an arched
> roof made out of 1" pvc (like a hoop) and is held together with 2*2s.
> The arch gives more headroom near the edge, a straight slant would have
> a bit less heat loss. I'm really happy with it and started my seeds in
> it. I only have a lot of sun when it's cold and the trees are barren,
> but then it's a champ and a delight.
>
> There's a lot of plans on the net. I highly recommend the door!
>
> Jeff
> >
> > Michael
> >
I think it Zome Works that makes a automatic vent. It opens when the
parafin in a closed system melts and flows to counter-balance the "door"
No electricity needed.
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TOPIC: Hey Alipac- there are more then a million recent African "immigrants"
to the US, bringing Female Castration , and TB and The Muslim Religeon- Be
Aware that the US taxpayers pay for all this and that every war in Africa will
be our burden
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 27 2010 1:19 pm
From: coldrenkler@gmail.com
On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 08:57:32 -0700 (PDT), tashaburke@yahoo.com wrote:
>http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-113052.html
>Hey people over at Alipac worrying about how many Africans are
>entering the US as immigrants and refugees is
> Very reasonable. Only do some research! Africans are bringing in TB,
>which is not tested for by the State Department until they have been
>here a year and that is only regular immigrants, not visitors.
>They also castrate females and are largely Muslim.
> Americans should know that every time an African country has a war
>because of their stupid tribalism and black racism, the refugees would
>end up in the US or in Holland.
>Also Minnesota was picked to dump thousands of Somalians because they
>had such great welfare benefits and other social services paid for by
>taxpayers.
>There were over a million recent African immigrants as of 2002. The
>conversation ended at Alipac because they are so afraid of the race
>card over there.
>http://www.chestjournal.org/cgi/content/full/119/1/176.
>
>Conclusions: Somalis have a high incidence of active disease, with
>frequent extrapulmonary involvement in the absence of AIDS, clinical
>presentation shortly after immigration, and infrequent infection with
>resistant organisms. Health-care providers should maintain an
>increased awareness for tuberculosis when evaluating Somali
>immigrants.
>Key Words: extrapulmonary involvement • Minnesota • >Mycobacterium
>tuberculosis • Somali immigrants
>
>
>Increase in African immigrants and refugees with tuberculosis--Seattle-
>King County, Washington, 1998-2001.
>Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
>The proportion of tuberculosis (TB) cases among foreign-born persons
>in the United States has increased steadily, accounting for half of
>reported cases in 2001 for which country-of-origin information was
>available. During 1998-2001, the annual number of TB cases among
>African immigrants and refugees in Seattle and all of King County
>increased approximately threefold to that during 1993-1997. This
>report summarizes the investigation of cases during 1998-2001 and
>outlines the public health interventions implemented to prevent TB in
>this population. The findings indicate that in Seattle-King County,
>persons at risk for TB who have arrived recently in the United States
>were primarily from the African-Horn countries of Eritrea, Ethiopia,
>and Somalia. Primary health-care providers and civil surgeons (i.e.,
>physicians appointed by the Immigration and Naturalization Service to
>screen for medical conditions as required for changes of immigration
>status) should be aware of the high TB rate among African immigrants,
>especially within the first 5 years after immigration, and be alert
>for severe extrapulmonary forms of TB.
>
>http://www.migrationinformation.org/usfocus/display.cfm?ID=250
>
>
>The African Foreign Born in the United States By Elizabeth
>GriecoMigration Policy Institute
>
>September 2004 The African foreign-born population in the United
>States is small but growing. According to the US Census Bureau, there
>were approximately 364,000 African immigrants in 1990, and this
>population more than doubled to over 881,000 by 2000. The most recent
>estimates put the number of African foreign born at over 1 million.
>This Spotlight examines some of the key migration characteristics of
>the foreign born from Africa, using American Community Survey, census,
>and Department of Homeland Security data. Click on the bullet points
>below for more information: · There are over 1 million African foreign
>born in the United States. · The African foreign born make up 3
>percent of the total foreign-born population. · The largest group of
>African foreign born in the United States, by region of Africa, is
>made up of people from Western Africa. · There are over 100,000
>foreign born from both Nigeria and Egypt. · Only one in every three
>African immigrants is a naturalized citizen. · Over half of all
>African immigrants are recent arrivals. · The African foreign born
>represented about 6 percent of all immigrants who obtained legal
>permanent residence in 2002. · The African countries with the highest
>numbers of immigrants obtaining legal permanent residency in 2002 were
>Nigeria and Ethiopia. · Of the 69,000 refugee arrivals in 2001, 28
>percent were from Africa. · Most of the African refugee arrivals in
>2001 were from Sudan and Somalia. There are over 1 million African
>foreign born in the United States.According to the US Census Bureau's
>American Community Survey (see related article), there were 1.0
>million African foreign born residing in the United States in 2002.
>Back to the top The African foreign born make up 3 percent of the
>total foreign-born population.Of the 33.0 million foreign born in the
>United States in 2002, 1.0 million or 3 percent were from Africa. Back
>to the top Box 1. Regions of Africa
>Eastern Africa includes the countries of Burundi, Comoros, Djibouti,
>Eritrea, Ethiopia, Kenya, Madagascar, Malawi, Mauritius, Mayotte,
>Mozambique, Réunion, Rwanda, Seychelles, Somalia, Uganda, United
>Republic of Tanzania, Zambia, and Zimbabwe. Middle Africa includes the
>countries of Angola, Cameroon, Central African Republic, Chad, Congo,
>Democratic Republic of the Congo, Equatorial Guinea, Gabon, and Sao
>Tome and Principe. Northern Africa includes the countries of Algeria,
>Egypt, Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, Morocco, Sudan, Tunisia, and Western
>Sahara. Southern Africa includes the countries of Botswana, Lesotho,
>Namibia, South Africa, and Swaziland. Western Africa includes the
>countries of Benin, Burkina Faso, Cape Verde, Côte d'Ivoire, Gambia,
>Ghana, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Liberia, Mali, Mauritania, Niger,
>Nigeria, Saint Helena, Senegal, Sierra Leone, and Togo.
>
>
>
>The largest group of African foreign born in the United States, by
>region of Africa, is made up of people from Western Africa.Of the 1.0
>million African foreign born, 35 percent were from Western Africa,
>followed by 26 percent from Eastern Africa, 20 percent from Northern
>Africa, 7 percent from Southern Africa, and less than 3 percent from
>Middle Africa, according to the 2002 American Community Survey (see
>Table 1 and Box 1). Back to the top There are over 100,000 foreign
>born from both Nigeria and Egypt.The American Community Survey
>publishes a limited amount of country-specific data on the foreign
>born from Africa. In 2002, there were approximately 139,500 Nigerians
>and 108,000 Egyptians, followed by 87,500 Ethiopians, and 70,000 South
>Africans (see Table 1). Back to the top Only one in every three
>African immigrants is a naturalized citizen.According to the US Census
>Bureau, 34 percent of all African foreign born were naturalized
>citizens in 2002, while 66 percent were non-citizens. Back to the top
>Over half of all African immigrants are recent arrivals.According to
>the results of Census 2000, 56 percent of all African foreign born
>arrived in the United States between 1990 and 2000, while 26 percent
>entered between 1980 and 1989, and 18 percent before 1980. Table 1.The
>African Foreign Born, by Region and Country of Birth in Africa, for
>the United States: 2002
>Region/country Number Percent
>Africa 1,013,880 100.0
>Eastern Africa 263,415 26.0
>Ethiopia 87,543 8.6
>Other Eastern Africa 175,872 17.3
>Middle Africa 23,993 2.4
>Northern Africa 204,728 20.2
>Egypt 108,371 10.7
>Other Northern Africa 96,357 9.5
>Southern Africa 71,883 7.1
>South Africa 70,275 6.9
>Other Southern Africa 1,608 0.2
>Western Africa 357,360 35.2
>Nigeria 139,493 13.8
>Other Western Africa 217,867 21.5
>Africa (not elsewhere classified) 92,501 9.1
>Source: US Census Bureau, American Community Survey, 2002
>
>
>Back to the top The African foreign born represented about 6 percent
>of all immigrants who obtained legal permanent residence in
>2002.According to the Department of Homeland Security Office of
>Immigration Statistics, 60,269 immigrants from Africa obtained legal
>permanent residence status in 2002, which represented 5.7 percent of
>the 1.1 million immigrants from around the world who obtained legal
>permanent residency. Back to the top The African countries with the
>highest numbers of immigrants obtaining legal permanent residency in
>2002 were Nigeria and Ethiopia.In 2002, 8,129 immigrants from Nigeria
>obtained permanent resident status, followed by Ethiopia with 7,574,
>Egypt with 4,875, Somalia with 4,537, and Ghana with 4,256, according
>to the Department of Homeland Security Office of Immigration
>Statistics. Back to the top Of the 69,000 refugee arrivals in 2001, 28
>percent were from Africa.In 2001, there were 68,925 refugee arrivals
>to the United States, according to the Department of Homeland Security
>Office of Immigration Statistics. Of those, 19,070 or 28 percent were
>from Africa. Back to the top Most of the African refugee arrivals in
>2001 were from Sudan and Somalia.In 2001, of the 19,070 refugee
>arrivals from Africa, 31 percent were from Sudan, 26 percent from
>Somalia, 18 percent from Liberia, and 11 percent from Sierra Leone.
>Back to the top
Why are we allowing any immigrants? Social disorder from
third-worlders, environmental destruction from population
growth.
cole
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 27 2010 3:16 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
coldrenkler@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 08:57:32 -0700 (PDT), tashaburke@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-113052.html
>> Hey people over at Alipac worrying about how many Africans are
>> entering the US as immigrants and refugees is
>> Very reasonable. Only do some research! Africans are bringing in TB,
>> which is not tested for by the State Department until they have been
>> here a year and that is only regular immigrants, not visitors.
>> They also castrate females and are largely Muslim.
>> Americans should know that every time an African country has a war
>> because of their stupid tribalism and black racism, the refugees
>> would end up in the US or in Holland.
>> Also Minnesota was picked to dump thousands of Somalians because they
>> had such great welfare benefits and other social services paid for by
>> taxpayers.
>> There were over a million recent African immigrants as of 2002. The
>> conversation ended at Alipac because they are so afraid of the race
>> card over there.
>> http://www.chestjournal.org/cgi/content/full/119/1/176.
>>
>> Conclusions: Somalis have a high incidence of active disease, with
>> frequent extrapulmonary involvement in the absence of AIDS, clinical
>> presentation shortly after immigration, and infrequent infection with
>> resistant organisms. Health-care providers should maintain an
>> increased awareness for tuberculosis when evaluating Somali
>> immigrants.
>> Key Words: extrapulmonary involvement . Minnesota . >Mycobacterium
>> tuberculosis . Somali immigrants
>>
>>
>> Increase in African immigrants and refugees with
>> tuberculosis--Seattle- King County, Washington, 1998-2001.
>> Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
>> The proportion of tuberculosis (TB) cases among foreign-born persons
>> in the United States has increased steadily, accounting for half of
>> reported cases in 2001 for which country-of-origin information was
>> available. During 1998-2001, the annual number of TB cases among
>> African immigrants and refugees in Seattle and all of King County
>> increased approximately threefold to that during 1993-1997. This
>> report summarizes the investigation of cases during 1998-2001 and
>> outlines the public health interventions implemented to prevent TB in
>> this population. The findings indicate that in Seattle-King County,
>> persons at risk for TB who have arrived recently in the United States
>> were primarily from the African-Horn countries of Eritrea, Ethiopia,
>> and Somalia. Primary health-care providers and civil surgeons (i.e.,
>> physicians appointed by the Immigration and Naturalization Service to
>> screen for medical conditions as required for changes of immigration
>> status) should be aware of the high TB rate among African immigrants,
>> especially within the first 5 years after immigration, and be alert
>> for severe extrapulmonary forms of TB.
>>
>> http://www.migrationinformation.org/usfocus/display.cfm?ID=250
>>
>>
>> The African Foreign Born in the United States By Elizabeth
>> GriecoMigration Policy Institute
>>
>> September 2004 The African foreign-born population in the United
>> States is small but growing. According to the US Census Bureau, there
>> were approximately 364,000 African immigrants in 1990, and this
>> population more than doubled to over 881,000 by 2000. The most recent
>> estimates put the number of African foreign born at over 1 million.
>> This Spotlight examines some of the key migration characteristics of
>> the foreign born from Africa, using American Community Survey,
>> census, and Department of Homeland Security data. Click on the
>> bullet points below for more information: · There are over 1 million
>> African foreign born in the United States. · The African foreign
>> born make up 3 percent of the total foreign-born population. · The
>> largest group of African foreign born in the United States, by
>> region of Africa, is made up of people from Western Africa. · There
>> are over 100,000 foreign born from both Nigeria and Egypt. · Only
>> one in every three African immigrants is a naturalized citizen. ·
>> Over half of all African immigrants are recent arrivals. · The
>> African foreign born represented about 6 percent of all immigrants
>> who obtained legal permanent residence in 2002. · The African
>> countries with the highest numbers of immigrants obtaining legal
>> permanent residency in 2002 were Nigeria and Ethiopia. · Of the
>> 69,000 refugee arrivals in 2001, 28 percent were from Africa. · Most
>> of the African refugee arrivals in 2001 were from Sudan and Somalia.
>> There are over 1 million African foreign born in the United
>> States.According to the US Census Bureau's American Community Survey
>> (see related article), there were 1.0 million African foreign born
>> residing in the United States in 2002. Back to the top The African
>> foreign born make up 3 percent of the total foreign-born
>> population.Of the 33.0 million foreign born in the United States in
>> 2002, 1.0 million or 3 percent were from Africa. Back to the top Box
>> 1. Regions of Africa
>> Eastern Africa includes the countries of Burundi, Comoros, Djibouti,
>> Eritrea, Ethiopia, Kenya, Madagascar, Malawi, Mauritius, Mayotte,
>> Mozambique, Réunion, Rwanda, Seychelles, Somalia, Uganda, United
>> Republic of Tanzania, Zambia, and Zimbabwe. Middle Africa includes
>> the countries of Angola, Cameroon, Central African Republic, Chad,
>> Congo, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Equatorial Guinea, Gabon,
>> and Sao Tome and Principe. Northern Africa includes the countries of
>> Algeria, Egypt, Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, Morocco, Sudan, Tunisia, and
>> Western Sahara. Southern Africa includes the countries of Botswana,
>> Lesotho, Namibia, South Africa, and Swaziland. Western Africa
>> includes the countries of Benin, Burkina Faso, Cape Verde, Côte
>> d'Ivoire, Gambia, Ghana, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Liberia, Mali,
>> Mauritania, Niger, Nigeria, Saint Helena, Senegal, Sierra Leone, and
>> Togo.
>>
>>
>>
>> The largest group of African foreign born in the United States, by
>> region of Africa, is made up of people from Western Africa.Of the 1.0
>> million African foreign born, 35 percent were from Western Africa,
>> followed by 26 percent from Eastern Africa, 20 percent from Northern
>> Africa, 7 percent from Southern Africa, and less than 3 percent from
>> Middle Africa, according to the 2002 American Community Survey (see
>> Table 1 and Box 1). Back to the top There are over 100,000 foreign
>> born from both Nigeria and Egypt.The American Community Survey
>> publishes a limited amount of country-specific data on the foreign
>> born from Africa. In 2002, there were approximately 139,500 Nigerians
>> and 108,000 Egyptians, followed by 87,500 Ethiopians, and 70,000
>> South Africans (see Table 1). Back to the top Only one in every three
>> African immigrants is a naturalized citizen.According to the US
>> Census Bureau, 34 percent of all African foreign born were
>> naturalized citizens in 2002, while 66 percent were non-citizens.
>> Back to the top Over half of all African immigrants are recent
>> arrivals.According to the results of Census 2000, 56 percent of all
>> African foreign born arrived in the United States between 1990 and
>> 2000, while 26 percent entered between 1980 and 1989, and 18 percent
>> before 1980. Table 1.The African Foreign Born, by Region and Country
>> of Birth in Africa, for the United States: 2002
>> Region/country Number Percent
>> Africa 1,013,880 100.0
>> Eastern Africa 263,415 26.0
>> Ethiopia 87,543 8.6
>> Other Eastern Africa 175,872 17.3
>> Middle Africa 23,993 2.4
>> Northern Africa 204,728 20.2
>> Egypt 108,371 10.7
>> Other Northern Africa 96,357 9.5
>> Southern Africa 71,883 7.1
>> South Africa 70,275 6.9
>> Other Southern Africa 1,608 0.2
>> Western Africa 357,360 35.2
>> Nigeria 139,493 13.8
>> Other Western Africa 217,867 21.5
>> Africa (not elsewhere classified) 92,501 9.1
>> Source: US Census Bureau, American Community Survey, 2002
>>
>>
>> Back to the top The African foreign born represented about 6 percent
>> of all immigrants who obtained legal permanent residence in
>> 2002.According to the Department of Homeland Security Office of
>> Immigration Statistics, 60,269 immigrants from Africa obtained legal
>> permanent residence status in 2002, which represented 5.7 percent of
>> the 1.1 million immigrants from around the world who obtained legal
>> permanent residency. Back to the top The African countries with the
>> highest numbers of immigrants obtaining legal permanent residency in
>> 2002 were Nigeria and Ethiopia.In 2002, 8,129 immigrants from Nigeria
>> obtained permanent resident status, followed by Ethiopia with 7,574,
>> Egypt with 4,875, Somalia with 4,537, and Ghana with 4,256, according
>> to the Department of Homeland Security Office of Immigration
>> Statistics. Back to the top Of the 69,000 refugee arrivals in 2001,
>> 28 percent were from Africa.In 2001, there were 68,925 refugee
>> arrivals to the United States, according to the Department of
>> Homeland Security Office of Immigration Statistics. Of those, 19,070
>> or 28 percent were from Africa. Back to the top Most of the African
>> refugee arrivals in 2001 were from Sudan and Somalia.In 2001, of the
>> 19,070 refugee arrivals from Africa, 31 percent were from Sudan, 26
>> percent from Somalia, 18 percent from Liberia, and 11 percent from
>> Sierra Leone. Back to the top
> Why are we allowing any immigrants?
Essentially because countrys that allow some immigrants
do a lot better than those who allow none at all.
> Social disorder from third-worlders,
Then just exclude immigrants from those.
> environmental destruction from population growth.
Then just exclude immigrants from those.
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TOPIC: Tomatoes and Cheap Labor
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 27 2010 1:26 pm
From: coldrenkler@gmail.com
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 12:54:45 -0500, "Gewart" <gewart@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>Cheap Tomatoes
>
>
>Tomatoes and Cheap Labor
>
>CHEAP TOMATOES?
>This should make everyone think, be you Democrat, Republican or Independent
>
>From a California school teacher - - -
>
>"As you listen to the news about the student protests over illegal
>immigration, there are some things that you should be aware of:
>
>I am in charge of the English-as-a-second-language department at a large
>southern California high school which is designated a Title 1 school,
>meaning that its student s average lower socioeconomic and income levels
>
>Most of the schools you are hearing about, South Gate High, Bell Gardens ,
>Huntington Park , etc., where these students are protesting, are also Title
>1 schools.
>
>Title 1 schools are on the free breakfast and free lunch program. When I say
>free breakfast, I'm not talking a glass of milk and roll -- but a full
>breakfast and cereal bar with fruits and juices that would make a Marriott
>proud. The waste of this food is monumental, with trays and trays of it
>being dumped in the trash uneaten.
>
>I estimate that well over 50% of these students are obese or at least
>moderately overweight. About 75% or more DO have cell phones. The school
>also provides day care center s for the unwed teenage pregnant girls (some
>as young as 13) so they can attend class without the inconvenience of having
>to arrange for babysitters or having family watch their kids.
>
>I was ordered to spend $700,000 on my department or risk losing
>funding for the upcoming year even though there was little need for
>anything; my budget was already substantial. I ended up buying new computers
>for the computer learning center, half of which, one month later, have been
>carved with graffiti by the appreciative students who obviously feel humbled
>and grateful to have a free education in America ..
>
>I have had to intervene several times for young and substitute teachers
>whose classes consist of many illegal immigrant students, here in the
>country less then 3 months, who raised so much hell with the female
>teachers, calling them "Putas"(whores) and throwing things, that the
>teachers were in tears.
>
>Free medical, free education, free food, free day care etc., etc, etc. Is
>it any wonder they feel entitled to not only be in this country but to
>demand rights, privileges and entitlements?
>
>To those who want to point out how much these illegal immigrants contribute
>to our society because they LIKE their gardener and housekeeper and they
>like to pay less for tomatoes: spend some time in the real world of illegal
>immigration and see the TRUE costs.
>
>Higher insurance, medical facilities closing, higher medical costs, more
>crime, lower standards of education in our schools, overcrowding, new
>diseases. For me, I'll pay more for tomatoes.
>
>Americans, We need to wake up.
>
>It does, however, have everything to do with culture: It involves an
>American third-world culture that does not value education, that accepts
>children getting pregnant and dropping out of school by 15 and that refuses
>to assimilate, and an American culture that has become so weak and worried
>about"political correctness" that we don't have the will to do anything
>about it.
>
>If this makes your blood boil, as it did mine, forward this to everyone you
>know.
>
>CHEAP LABOR? Isn't that what the whole immigration issue is about?
>
>Business doesn't want to pay a decent wage.
>
>Consumers don't want expensive produce.
>
>Government will tell you Americans don't want the jobs.
>
>But the bottom line is cheap labor. The phrase "cheap labor" is a myth, a
>farce, and a lie. There is no such thing as "cheap labor."
>
>Take, for example, an illegal alien with a wife and five children. He takes
>a job for $5.00 or 6.00/hour. At that wage, with six dependents, he pays no
>income tax, yet at the end of the year, if he files an Income Tax Return, he
>gets an "earned income credit" of up to $3,200 free.
>
>He qualifies for Section 8 housing and subsidized rent.
>
>He qualifies for food stamps.
>
>He qualifies for free (no deductible, no co-pay) health care.
>
>His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school.
>
>He requires bilingual teachers and books.
>
>He qualifies for relief from high energy bills.
>
>If they are, or become, aged, blind or disabled, they qualify for SSI. If
>qualified for SSI they can qualify for Medicaid. All of this is at (our)
>taxpayer's expense.
>
>He doesn't worry about car insurance, life insurance, or homeowners
>insurance.
>
>Taxpayers provide Spanish language signs, bulletins and printed material.
>
>He and his family receive the equivalent of $20.00 to $30.00/hour in
>benefits.
>
>Working Americans are lucky to have $5.00 or $6..00/hour left after paying
>their bills and his.
>
>Cheap labor? YEAH RIGHT!
>
>THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS WE SHOULD BE ADDRESSING TO THE CONGRESSIONAL MEMBERS
>OF EITHER PARTY. 'AND WHEN THEY LIE TO US AND DON'T DO AS THEY SAY, WE
>SHOULD REPLACE THEM .
>
>Please pass this on to as many as possible. Immigration legislation is to
>be considered in 2010. This is important to working Americans, our economy
>and our American culture and heritage..
Good post.
cole
>
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 27 2010 2:31 pm
From: "h"
What's the big deal? If you're illegal, you should be deported. If you're
not, the local constabulary will quickly learn that you're legal and leave
you alone. Get over it. Since when did asking for ID become a violation of
the constitution? It's only "unreasonable search and seizure" if they do
something to you AFTER you have provided VALID ID/proof of legality. Yes,
it's snarky if they're only asking to see ID from "brown" people and not
"white" people, but it's still not illegal. They are looking for ILLEGAL
aliens. In the SW US it's unlikely that a lot of illegals will be Irish. In
Boston, the Irish are VERY likely to be illegal, target especially working
in McJobs. They get hassled all the time, and because of racial profiling,
including carding everyone with an Irish accent. No one is bitching about
that (and they shouldn't).
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 27 2010 6:09 pm
From: gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)
In article <hr7l3e$68j$2@speranza.aioe.org>,
h <tmclone@searchmachine.com> wrote:
> [ ... ]Since when did asking for ID become a violation of
>the constitution? It's only "unreasonable search and seizure" if they do
>something to you AFTER you have provided VALID ID/proof of legality.
[ ... ]
Do you have any pointers to an actual legal finding where this is defined,
or is this just how you want things to be?
Gary
--
Gary Heston gheston@hiwaay.net http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/
Did you hear about the new saint, San Adreas? He's the patron saint of
blame, it's all his fault.
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TOPIC: Do you know what would happen if you gave a bunch of bananas to a bunch
of monkeys?
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 27 2010 3:28 pm
From: "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"
On Apr 27, 5:14 pm, Michael <mrdarr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 27, 1:54 pm, Conscience <nobama@g v.com> wrote:
>
> > On 2010-04-27 13:34:28 -0700, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are Murderers"
> > <threeb...@yahoo.com> said:
>
> > > Increasing the tax on gas would save thousands of lives a year as
> > > people drove slower to get better mileage. We saw that in 2008.
>
> > Oh, yeah. Brilliant idea.
>
> > How 'bout those food prices, huh?
>
> Funny too how the food prices didn't drop after gas dropped from $4/
> gallon...
I only wished meat and junk food was pricey enough to reduce its
consumption. But all we got to do is TAX JUNK FOOD/MEAT and subsidize
the good stuff.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 27 2010 5:50 pm
From: Jobst Brandt
Someone wrote:
>>>> Increasing the tax on gas would save thousands of lives a year as
>>>> people drove slower to get better mileage. We saw that in 2008.
>>> Oh, yeah. Brilliant idea.
>>> How 'bout those food prices, huh?
>> Funny too how the food prices didn't drop after gas dropped from
>> $4/ gallon...
> I only wished meat and junk food was pricey enough to reduce its
> consumption. But all we got to do is TAX JUNK FOOD/MEAT and
> subsidize the good stuff.
Cigarettes have risen enormously in price in the last ten years and
the same folks still burn them at a great rate. When people have an
addiction, their fervor seems to rise with price of their habit. I
have little hope for the proposal.
Jobst Brandt
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 27 2010 9:06 pm
From: "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"
On Apr 27, 5:50 pm, Jobst Brandt <jbra...@sonic.net> wrote:
> Someone wrote:
> >>>> Increasing the tax on gas would save thousands of lives a year as
> >>>> people drove slower to get better mileage. We saw that in 2008.
> >>> Oh, yeah. Brilliant idea.
> >>> How 'bout those food prices, huh?
> >> Funny too how the food prices didn't drop after gas dropped from
> >> $4/ gallon...
> > I only wished meat and junk food was pricey enough to reduce its
> > consumption. But all we got to do is TAX JUNK FOOD/MEAT and
> > subsidize the good stuff.
>
> Cigarettes have risen enormously in price in the last ten years and
> the same folks still burn them at a great rate. When people have an
> addiction, their fervor seems to rise with price of their habit. I
> have little hope for the proposal.
>
> Jobst Brandt
Still smokers are fewer than in other countries where cigarettes are
cheaper.
It made me quit 13 years ago.
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From: "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"
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