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Wednesday, April 28, 2010

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 4:28 am
From: Jeff Thies

VFW wrote:
> In article <hr7sfb$dq8$1@news.albasani.net>,
> Jeff Thies <jeff_thies@att.net> wrote:
>
>> Michael Black wrote:
>>> On Mon, 26 Apr 2010, Jeff Thies wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Henchman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "VFW" <georgeswk@toast.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:georgeswk-3BEFE3.11364626042010@news.toast.net...
>>>>>> If you cut the bottom out of a gallon bottle it makes a great little
>>>>>> greenhouse for each plant.
>>>>>> We look for clear glass gallons all year round.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Enjoy this moment ! Thanks. g.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there plastic that can do this to??
>>>> Why not?
>>>>
>>>> It doesn't matter so much what the glazing is, as long as there is
>>>> some barrier. The wavelengths you need are passed about equally, for
>>>> either glass or clear PET.
>>>>
>>>> Greenhouses are often covered in polyethelene, for that matter. It's
>>>> cheap, just needs replacing more often.
>>>>
>>> Indeed, that's what I thought he was going to suggest or ask about.
>>>
>>> I can't remember where I saw it, but just recently I saw instructions
>>> for basically a lean-to that you put against the wall of your house. A
>>> bit of wood for a frame, than a larger area that would be covered in
>>> plastic, angled to get the best sun. Simple and cheap, it provides a
>>> place to get your seedlings going before it's warm enough to actually
>>> plant in the ground. They actually included a door or something,
>>> because it could get too hot under the right conditions.
>> I built, what we refer to as the "solar cabana". It has an arched
>> roof made out of 1" pvc (like a hoop) and is held together with 2*2s.
>> The arch gives more headroom near the edge, a straight slant would have
>> a bit less heat loss. I'm really happy with it and started my seeds in
>> it. I only have a lot of sun when it's cold and the trees are barren,
>> but then it's a champ and a delight.
>>
>> There's a lot of plans on the net. I highly recommend the door!
>>
>> Jeff
>>> Michael
>>>
>
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> No electricity needed.
> Cool !

Not at the moment at least:

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Cool idea though. Seems to me there used to be bimetal, or something
like that, that changed shape at a set temperature. Can't find that
either...

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Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 5:07 am
From: "Al Ekman"

Yet more Usenet posters have addressed Charles Novins publicly, all
expressing regret for past actions, and vowing to join him in the fight
against online abuse.

The original abuses and libels were spread across numerous groups, but often
originated in, "alt.usenet.kooks," which had become an "internet cesspool in
recent years.

A brief look is sufficient:
http://sikoz.notlong.com

Some posters insisted on public apologies, and several others have done the
fight thing privately; Many decided to correct their intemperate comments,
without the need for any resort to courts or formal agreements.

A few of those insisting on a public statement may be referenced at these
links:
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http://apologee7.notlong.com
http://apologee8.notlong.com
http://apologee.notlong.com

Meanwhile, the fight continues.

One attorney tried his hand at libel - while disbarred for other
infractions - and after getting his law license back, maintains a lower
profile:
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The typical libeler has more common drives, skin-color often being one.
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This anonymous hater seems to have a problem with Novins's Jewish heritage:
http://jewlawyer.notlong.com
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relative safety:
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Still others fight hard to keep the poisonous hate going - if the pointless
conflicts are resolved through apologies, retractions, they fear they'll be
seen as the "odd person out." These sorts have been hating and abusing for
so long, they know little else. This particular one eschews easy access for
others to her ravings, and removes them from the web. Her Usenet comments
are at message ID: 3n4qf8.pu8.19.2@news.alt.net Note the typical paranoia
at the end.

The Law Offices of Charles Novins has become a clearinghouse for information
about anonymous internet stalkers, harrassers, abusers, and other online
undesirables. The firm also has acquired a large store of knowledge,
pleadings, and other useful materials aimed at dealing with the internet's
more unfortunate players.

Reach his firm at: http://charlesnovinsesq.com

--
Al Ekman
[This message has been sent to groups in which the original defamatory post
appeared]

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 6:28 am
From: "h"

"Gary Heston" <gheston@hiwaay.net> wrote in message
news:Bq2dne2w0bsvF0rWnZ2dnUVZ_oCdnZ2d@posted.hiwaay2...
> In article <hr7l3e$68j$2@speranza.aioe.org>,
> h <tmclone@searchmachine.com> wrote:
>
>> [ ... ]Since when did asking for ID become a violation of
>>the constitution? It's only "unreasonable search and seizure" if they do
>>something to you AFTER you have provided VALID ID/proof of legality.
> [ ... ]
>
> Do you have any pointers to an actual legal finding where this is defined,
> or is this just how you want things to be?
>

Well, here in NY they run car stops where they make every 4th car pull over
and the driver has to produce ID. They say it's for catching drunks, but
they often do it at 2pm. How is that any different than checking for
citizenship? Maybe the car stops are not "legal" either, but they do it at
least once a month. They usually just get a few people for not wearing a
seatbelt or using a non-hands-free phone, but they could just as easily
check for citizenship. And what's wrong with that?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 7:27 am
From: Jeff Thies

h wrote:
> "Gary Heston" <gheston@hiwaay.net> wrote in message
> news:Bq2dne2w0bsvF0rWnZ2dnUVZ_oCdnZ2d@posted.hiwaay2...
>> In article <hr7l3e$68j$2@speranza.aioe.org>,
>> h <tmclone@searchmachine.com> wrote:
>>
>>> [ ... ]Since when did asking for ID become a violation of
>>> the constitution? It's only "unreasonable search and seizure" if they do
>>> something to you AFTER you have provided VALID ID/proof of legality.
>> [ ... ]
>>
>> Do you have any pointers to an actual legal finding where this is defined,
>> or is this just how you want things to be?
>>
>
> Well, here in NY they run car stops where they make every 4th car pull over
> and the driver has to produce ID. They say it's for catching drunks, but
> they often do it at 2pm. How is that any different than checking for
> citizenship?

I think you are missing the point.

Lindsey Graham has said no less than it is unconstitutional. So has
Karl Rove. W's speech writer Michael Gerson has called it dreadful and
said this:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/27/AR2010042703894.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

Under the law, police must make a "reasonable attempt" to verify the
immigration status of people they encounter when there is a "reasonable
suspicion" they might be illegal. Those whose citizenship can't be
verified can be arrested. But how is such reasonable suspicion aroused?
The law forbids the use of race or ethnicity as the "sole" basis for
questioning. So what are the other telltale indicators?

But if you believe in government overreach than this is your law.

The number of border patrol agents is double what it was two years
ago. Illegal immigrations is down more than 60% from W highs. The
problem, as always is unintended consequences. Sealing the CA border
(which is now a mere trickle) has pushed those willing to risk it into
the Sonora. The virtual fence was not only over budget, but ineffective.

Without a comprehensive plan, "fixing" one bit will just exacerbate
another problem.

As a noted conservative put it recently, the Republican Party has
become the party of the terminally upset.

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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 9:32 am
From: "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"

On Apr 28, 8:39 am, The Greenwood is Magic <grimus...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

> On Apr 28, 3:56 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"

> > I call it the money jungle.

> ...a jungle made with seriously evil intent by ritual abuse, an intent
> which also, by the way, makes these skitzed out western wankers that
> are heading towards self destruction due to their (programmed) lack of
> awareness/respect for the living Mother Earth. Thats being a bit
> harsh. Even western science now has proved beyond all reasonable doubt
> that it is a dangerous physcopath towards the planet earth:

> http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climatechange/

> Have respect or die sucker ;)

The jungle (fear, hierarchy) is created by the hungry predators for
the unaware monkeys (aka the sheep) to fall in the trap.

Buying an SUV (basically a "jungle vehicle") is such a way to feed the
predators (corporations that make such behemoths) in order to be king
of the road.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 9:50 am
From: "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"

On Apr 28, 8:45 am, The Greenwood is Magic <grimus...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
> On Apr 28, 10:43 am, Yap <hhyaps...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Karma, god, hell, heaven, are all just terms fabricated by human
> > brains.
> > They all don't exist.
>
> ..in a sense they are human inventions...or at least the human mind
> alters the dream/mind/mechanism. All these concepts and magical
> traditions (real religion is about the occult/religion/magic) are
> true. There is not one religious truth. In a sense they don't exist
> because all is illusion ultimately perhaps - but you don't mean it
> that way, where you're coming from is from a materialistic anti occult/
> anti magic cult that must sustain (win)...ego perhaps..the
> materialsistic 'western' skitz must sustain (continue to exist)! Well
> now look here sucker. You fucking fail. Have respect for the living
> Mother Earth or die:

Hey Magic, we seem to be on the same side of the issue, and yet we
interpret it differently.

What's dooming the West is NOT the rational mind of the scientists,
but the reckless abandon of those who ignore the warnings of science
and keep driving an SUV in "automatic pilot." Eastern philosophies are
more spiritual in that sense, but don't have the power to stop Western
materialism (see China & India).

Now, who are those who ignore scientists if not the Christian sheep? I
just want to meet a man who believes in science that denies what
science is projecting into the future. I haven't met many.

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== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 11:05 am
From: "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"

On Apr 28, 10:07 am, Xan Du <xan...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 4/28/2010 12:48 PM, TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit wrote:

> > What's dooming the West is NOT the rational mind of the scientists,
> > but the reckless abandon of those who ignore the warnings of science
> > and keep driving an SUV in "automatic pilot." Eastern philosophies are
> > more spiritual in that sense, but don't have the power to stop Western
> > materialism (see China& India).
>
> I don't have much faith in China or India being any friendlier to the
> environment than the West. China is gearing up to produce automobiles
> for the export market, borrowing heavily from Japanese production and
> design techniques. The Economist expects Chinese automobile factories
> to be as state of the art as the product they eventually produce, and
> therefore quite competitive. The US will of course slap heavy tariffs
> on them to keep the UAW campaign dollars flowing into their election
> coffers.
>
> I'm too lazy to find the Economist article, but here's a recent blurb on
> the Chinese auto industry:
>
> http://www.popsci.com/cars/article/2010-04/does-future-car-live-china
>
> Now, to its credit, the Chinese have been making noises about becoming
> more "green" in their own domestic energy production, but I suspect that
> this is more political than practical -- BP and ExxonMobil have been
> hyping their renewable energy research for years, but have made very
> little progress in my estimation. The simple fact is, fossil fuels are
> too cheap and too readily available at the moment to make it
> economically viable for emerging economies like China, or struggling 1st
> World economies like the US, to abandon any time in the near future.
>
> This is why Kyoto is moribund, and why the Copenhagen AGW summit
> accomplished all but nothing. My opinion is that climate engineering is
> going to be the most overall cost-effective means to combat climate
> change. It has a strong backing by some climate scientists, but is
> politically very unpopular on the left -- unrealistically so, I might add.
>
> IMHO, that is. I am still learning.
>
> > Now, who are those who ignore scientists if not the Christian sheep? I
> > just want to meet a man who believes in science that denies what
> > science is projecting into the future. I haven't met many.
>
> > The both get my...
>
> >http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/skatesnow67/3_013.jpg
>
> Excellent find sir, excellent. If God exists, may he bless the
> TibetanMonkey!!!!
>
> -Xan

Well, this question of climate engineering got the monkey curious and
here's some article on the subject...

http://www.rd.com/your-america-inspiring-people-and-stories/quick-study-climate-engineering/article175278.html

My wise opinion? I believe before it comes to that we should start
with the common sense approach: bicycles, public transportation,
bullet trains... I believe in science, but science fiction is beyond
my simian brain.

You mention China & India, but Japan didn't go that way. I think the
Japanese are smarter, except for making SUVs for America. My sources
tell me cyclists ride on sidewalks though, and that's very
uncivilized. But their approach to public transportation is first
class. I don't think they want to be B-I-G like America.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 2:44 pm
From: "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"

On Apr 28, 1:10 pm, "Xan Du" <xan...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>

> >I believe in science, but science fiction is beyond
> >my simian brain.
>
> You read a bad article. The links I gave you are far more grounded.
>
> >You mention China & India, but Japan didn't go that way. I think the
> >Japanese are smarter, except for making SUVs for America. My sources
> >tell me cyclists ride on sidewalks though, and that's very
> >uncivilized. But their approach to public transportation is first
> >class. I don't think they want to be B-I-G like America.
>
> I do give credit to the Japanese for being very smart about quite a number of
> things ... the '90s economic meltdown there notwithstanding. Hopefully they've
> learned their lessons on that score.
>
> Here are 2005 C02 emissions in tonnes/person:
> US 23.5
> UK 10.6
> Japan 10.5
>
> Here are 2005 net food imports in millions of USD:
> US 7,424
> UK 11,069
> Japan 13,911
>
> On a per capita basis, Japan has 4 times higher net agricultural imports than
> the US. The UK has 8 times higher net agricultural imports than the US.
>
> In the US, agriculture accounts for about 9% of our greenhouse gas emissions. I
> can't find the numbers for UK or Japan, but I haven't looked very hard either.
> But maybe you can see where I'm going with my math here.
>
> -Xan

Oh brother, these debates are leading to some serious stuff. I hope
all the world leaders are following us... ;)

Anyway, I should start with this issue, whether we believe or not: We
are going to have to do like Jesus and ride a donkey or something...
Actually we can make the campaign sound catchy such as: GET ON YOUR
ASS AND CHANGE THE WORLD!

As you say, our roads are SAVAGE & INTIMIDATING, but if we provide a
safe area for bikes many people will actually get on their ass and do
something!

This is PLAN A (PREVENTION) and then PLAN B (HIGH TECH) comes when we
have the money to make those technologies feasible. Bush spoke those
alternative vehicles that never seem to come. "Pie in the sky" like
God.

Putting America on a diet and being frugal like Japan & Germany is
feasible, though not likely.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 3:03 pm
From: "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"

On Apr 28, 12:20 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...@frontiernet.net>
wrote:
> "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>

> > You mention China & India, but Japan didn't go that way. I think the
> > Japanese are smarter, except for making SUVs for America. My sources
> > tell me cyclists ride on sidewalks though, and that's very
> > uncivilized. But their approach to public transportation is first
> > class. I don't think they want to be B-I-G like America.
>
> I love my bicycle, but the only way they'll ever become a major player in
> the transportation game is:
>
> A) Make bike lanes which cannot be entered by cars unless the car somehow
> becomes airborne. Painted lines are a silly idea.
>
> B) Put most automobile drivers to death, or otherwise prevent them from ever
> operating a motor vehicle.
>
> Until that happens, I'd never use a bike as a daily method of travel. The
> more you do it, the greater the chances of being mowed down by an
> automobile.

Oh thank you, partner. Same here. You know something: That's the
reality of the jungle that many so-called cyclists deny --usually the
"pros" riding on weekends for no practical purpose. They say I'm
chicken, but I don't like playing chicken with the BIG BOYS.

I have a solution to that problem, nice, simple & free, actually it
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BIKE BY LEAVING THE LANE 30' BEFORE AND AFTER SAID VEHICLE. ANY
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SO SMILE. A COLLISION BETWEEN BIKE AND CAR IS ALWAYS THE FAULT OF THE
DRIVER UNLESS PROVEN OTHERWISE.

In the meanwhile we are waiting impatiently for better times.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 10:25 am
From: Cindy Hamilton

On Apr 28, 12:58 pm, coldrenk...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 05:35:20 -0700 (PDT), Tracey12
>
>
>
>
>
> <tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Wall Street Journal did an investigation on how many foreclosed homes
> >there are on the market across America.
>
> >The number is absolutely stunning.
>
> >At normal home sales rates, counting all homes foreclosed and now on
> >the market as well as those about in the foreclosure process, there
> >are 105 months of homes to be sold.
>
> >108 months is 9 years, so thats almost 9 years of homes that will be
> >backlogged for sale.
>
> >What does this mean?
>
> >It means that because of the massive amount of homes across America
> >that are for sale, new home sales will be slow for years to come.
>
> >It also means that all the skilled trades like electricians,
> >carpenters, tile men, concrete men, and all the others involved in the
> >construction of homes will be very poor for a long time.
>
> >ABANDON HOME CONSTRUCTION NOW BEFORE ITS TOO LATE!
>
> >Americans are suffering tremendously. Our leaders deny help even to
> >storm victims in the NE, but Haiti, and New Orleans were given
> >billions. Will America survive this administration?
>
> Hey there. Uncle Suckemoff keeps importing a million legal immigrants
> a year!

Good. The legals usually have well-paying jobs, and they'll be able
to buy some of those houses.

> Does anyone support the rotten fucking government in Washington?

More than I supported the previous rotten fucking government in
Washington.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 10:40 am
From: Kevin Alfred Strom

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
[...]
>
>> Does anyone support the rotten fucking government in Washington?
>
> More than I supported the previous rotten fucking government in
> Washington.

That's very unfortunate. If we want real progress, we need to
abandon the Left/Right paradigm and the two criminal parties.

Both gangs support these illegal and immoral aggressive wars, and
both support the destruction of our freedom and privacy in the name
of "national security." Seeing, and acting on, those two truths --
across traditional political divisions -- is the beginning of real
change.

Code Pink, a women's anti-war group, has already reached out to the
Tea Party folks in hopes of understanding and collaboration. That is
a most hopeful sign, as was the racial right's support for Cindy
Sheehan.

With every good wish,

Kevin Alfred Strom.
--
http://kevinalfredstrom.com/

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 12:14 pm
From: Jeff Thies

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Apr 28, 12:58 pm, coldrenk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 05:35:20 -0700 (PDT), Tracey12
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Wall Street Journal did an investigation on how many foreclosed homes
>>> there are on the market across America.
>>> The number is absolutely stunning.
>>> At normal home sales rates, counting all homes foreclosed and now on
>>> the market as well as those about in the foreclosure process, there
>>> are 105 months of homes to be sold.
>>> 108 months is 9 years, so thats almost 9 years of homes that will be
>>> backlogged for sale.
>>> What does this mean?
>>> It means that because of the massive amount of homes across America
>>> that are for sale, new home sales will be slow for years to come.
>>> It also means that all the skilled trades like electricians,
>>> carpenters, tile men, concrete men, and all the others involved in the
>>> construction of homes will be very poor for a long time.
>>> ABANDON HOME CONSTRUCTION NOW BEFORE ITS TOO LATE!
>>> Americans are suffering tremendously. Our leaders deny help even to
>>> storm victims in the NE, but Haiti, and New Orleans were given
>>> billions. Will America survive this administration?
>> Hey there. Uncle Suckemoff keeps importing a million legal immigrants
>> a year!
>
> Good. The legals usually have well-paying jobs, and they'll be able
> to buy some of those houses.

In fact new housing starts are up 27%.

http://www.fxstreet.com/fundamental/economic-indicators/us-new-housing-starts-posts-b0423/2010-04-23.html

>
>> Does anyone support the rotten fucking government in Washington?
>
> More than I supported the previous rotten fucking government in
> Washington.

Just in case no one remembers where W left off:

600K jobs/month lost
Financial system in free fall
GM and Chrysler ruined
Afghanistan spirally out of control
Housing in free fall.
DJIA at 8000

The trouble with the Tea Party is that success to them is the
destruction of the government. Haven't we just tried 8 years of that?

Jeff

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 2:07 pm
From: Forrest Hodge

On 4/23/2010 9:35 PM, TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit wrote:
> "The Kilroy Cruiser features WWII Themed Graphics with the legendary
> Kilroy Graffiti that showed up everywhere during the war. The frame of
> this beach cruiser is painted in US Army Olive Green with military
> themed accents."
>
> http://www.commuterbikestore.com/all-bikes/nirve-bikes/nirve-kilroy-bike.html
>
> ***
>
> Do you think it'll help drive the point that SUVs are history, or
> they'll just think I'm an asshole to ride on the street. Very deep
> question,
> huh?
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
>
> "Get your ass on the road and join the revolution!"
>
> http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION

$380 + $50 shipping for single speed bicycle? No thanks. You can pick up
a used Honda Rebel for that much.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 3:02 pm
From: "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"

On Apr 28, 2:07 pm, Forrest Hodge <f...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 4/23/2010 9:35 PM, TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit wrote:
>
>
>
> > "The Kilroy Cruiser features WWII Themed Graphics with the legendary
> > Kilroy Graffiti that showed up everywhere during the war. The frame of
> > this beach cruiser is painted in US Army Olive Green with military
> > themed accents."
>
> >http://www.commuterbikestore.com/all-bikes/nirve-bikes/nirve-kilroy-b...
>
> > ***
>
> > Do you think it'll help drive the point that SUVs are history, or
> > they'll just think I'm an asshole to ride on the street. Very deep
> > question,
> > huh?
>
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> > THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
>
> > "Get your ass on the road and join the revolution!"
>
> >http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> $380 + $50 shipping for single speed bicycle? No thanks. You can pick up
> a used Honda Rebel for that much.

I'm all against Walmart quality bikes. Plus you pay for the style. How
much you pay for Jeep over a regular mundane Toyota?

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 6:19 pm
From: Forrest Hodge

On 4/28/2010 6:02 PM, TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit wrote:
> On Apr 28, 2:07 pm, Forrest Hodge<f...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On 4/23/2010 9:35 PM, TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> "The Kilroy Cruiser features WWII Themed Graphics with the legendary
>>> Kilroy Graffiti that showed up everywhere during the war. The frame of
>>> this beach cruiser is painted in US Army Olive Green with military
>>> themed accents."
>>
>>> http://www.commuterbikestore.com/all-bikes/nirve-bikes/nirve-kilroy-b...
>>
>>> ***
>>
>>> Do you think it'll help drive the point that SUVs are history, or
>>> they'll just think I'm an asshole to ride on the street. Very deep
>>> question,
>>> huh?
>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>> THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
>>
>>> "Get your ass on the road and join the revolution!"
>>
>>> http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>>
>> $380 + $50 shipping for single speed bicycle? No thanks. You can pick up
>> a used Honda Rebel for that much.
>
> I'm all against Walmart quality bikes. Plus you pay for the style. How
> much you pay for Jeep over a regular mundane Toyota?

Depends on the Jeep and Toyota. I wouldn't mind having an old FJ40 Land
Cruiser. But right now there's no SUV aside from the Geländewagen on the
market that really appeals to me. If Ford were to come out with a 2 door
full-sized SUV, like a 2 door Excursion I'd be interested. But until
that happens, I'll be relying on my 15 year old/200k+ mile Bronco for my
towing/hauling/off-roading needs. I probably wouldn't go for a 2 door
Expedition. The independent rear suspension looks flimsy to me.

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